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ANON
ANON

January 28th, 2004, 7:15 pm #41

"I NEVER review anything which has not been PUBLISHED. I tell the TRUTH and you cannot and will not review my review and refute it without taking Shelly's advice to TAKE LIBERTIES with the old words of Jesus."

How arogant. You'd refuted the book long before it was a book?

You don't tell the TRUTH. You tell Ken's Bitter Version of the TRUTH because you feel the world, people, and others close to you have made done-you wrong and haven't appreciated you like they should have.

I did review your review and I will refute it. And I'd take anyone's advice in taking liberties, long before taking your's!

Do you still attend Hohenwald Church of Christ? Are you still shut in? Just curious. How many people did you baptize this past year? I think for Shelly, it was close to 70.

Sacred Cow
I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM YOU MR. SUBLETT HAS NOT ATTENDED THE HOHENWALD CHURCH OF CHRIST, WHERE I ATTEND, FOR PROBABLY 2 OR 3 YEARS. HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON, EXCEPT FROM A FEW INSIDERS WHO APPARENTLY ARE INFORMING HIM (THEY HAVE LEFT NOW.) YOU WILL NOTE HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY CURRENT ACTIVITY FOR OUR CONGREGATION, HENCE HE IS BATTLING WOODMONT HILLS AGAIN. MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON HIS SOUL.
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Kenneth Sublett

January 28th, 2004, 11:33 pm #42

Sacred, you should also know that the 340-350 body count when Mr. Sublett left is probably less than 200 today. So, lots of life-long members are NO LONGER THERE either. But, let me tell you something about a small TRIBAL TOWN: no one does NOTHING without everyone knowing about it.

Mr. Sublett saw the crash coming after PK96, "contributed" lots of money to the LOURDEE-eh in the face of STRONG opposition, Saw the CRASH hitting at the end of 97 AFTER the BUILDING PROGRAM as a step in the Purpose Driven Cult was about complete, began my WEB PAGE to fight the same SHELLY-NOSE-BUMPING in Seattle where they "lied, cheated, used the law and stole the church houses of widows." Mr. Sublett pushed a few buttons about PROMISE KEEPERS and the heretical JUBILEE and got the expected response. These relationships are "thicker than the blood of Jesus."

Mr. Sublett began to reach the WORLD in early 1998 and has about 4.5 million page hits (sermon listens) so far. An INSIDER says that my allerting the world to the TRUE misleaders helped EXPOSE' the Atonement-Denying Jubilee where they spent 1/4 million dollars to teach people to RAISE HOLY HANDS. Max Lucado's attempt to WASH AWAY baptism in 1997 (facilitated by Finto and some speaking in tongues) made a few gainsayers admit that THAT'S WHAT HE SAYS, ISN'T IT. Wall-uh, who could have ever doubted it.

Mr. Sublett attended for a time but had to FLEE the hand flinging singing and spit baptizing preaching, go to the foyer, turn off my hearing aids and STILL hear everything quite well. Mrs Sublett gave Mr. Sublett considerable trouble when I said "NOT ONE RED CENT" more. Wall-uh, Mrs Sublett tried to hang on but finally gave up and attended a little white church in the flood plains of my creek and has lived happily ever after. Mrs Sublett NOW feels fleeced and robbed. I was astounded about how deep her self-taught Bible knowledge went.

Mr. Sublett used the internet to PLOT a course for what would happen: Lynn anderson advises about 10 years for the serpent seed to hatch. Right on target, a new preacher HIRED by the Saddle-backed-kid while telling the flock "oh, he is just coordinating."

The little Red Riding Hood didn't tell the OWNERS that he didn't believe in baptism but who are the OWNERS to question the PK, Purpose Driven Cult DOMINANT PASTORS with WOODMONT'S garbage that the MINISTERS are best prepared to be the leaders and the elders are now JUST SHEPHERDS of the STAFF INFECTION? They even called themselves A Family of God, confessed in a sermon that "we are purpose driven" (the purpose became clear when the check cleared) and ERRECTED four Asherah poles which are PHALLIC SYMBOLS but the poles were symbols of FEMININE POWER.

Probably in late 1997 Mr. Sublett got overwhelmed with response from his web pages (200 major topics with over 2,000 research papers or reproduction of ancient documents.) It was not uncommon to get an e-mai reading: "I have to teach a class on Romans 6 in two hours: what do you have?" I have gone into all of the world which has sunlight or batteries while our children are effeminated from the cradle to the grave. Outsiders who move in claim THERE IS A GOAL TO KEEP EVERYONE IGNORANT. That defines A Cave of the Bear Clan. If you want to read about the Cave of Treasures here is how it works. This is one of 36 documents on my site which defines how SATAN used the YOUTH to subvert and pervert holy people with music.

http://www.piney.com/ApocCave.html

Mr. Sublett discovered that doing church is doing CIRCE or KIRKE meaning the holy whore of John's Patmos in MOST churches of Christ which have been Lucadoed or Shellited. Mr. Sublett discovered, further, that the TITHE repudiates Jesus Christ and the LAW OF GIVING is a Satanic lie when you cannot trust people. That is why Paul put about four pairs of hands on the BAG as it went to the DESTITUTES. There is no Act of Singing: Paul said TEACH with the WORD because external singing just ment reciting and external MELODY speaks of the bo of Apollo (Abaddon, Apollon) and his muses and the arrows shoot what the MUSES inspire.

Mr. Sublett learned that Jesus promised to be in the midst of TWO OR THREE gathered (synagogued) in HIS name where HE is the teacher. The "NOTHING BUT WORSHIP" coming out of Shelly and ZOE (the mother of the gods) is the prophesied-end time BABYLON WHORE (Rev 18).

Jesus WON'T be in the midst of two or three thousand gathered in the name of some CHARISMATIC MAN pumped up with MUSICA. Neither will I and most of the mature owners DRIVEN OUT by an unholy smell.

In the meantime, Ken doesn't e-mai, call, meet or stir up: the GUILTY PARTY always blames the victim for falling when shot. But, Mr. Sublett KNOWS more than the SHADOW DO. Don't forget it.

You will have to look at my web pages.
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January 29th, 2004, 2:55 pm #43

I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM YOU MR. SUBLETT HAS NOT ATTENDED THE HOHENWALD CHURCH OF CHRIST, WHERE I ATTEND, FOR PROBABLY 2 OR 3 YEARS. HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON, EXCEPT FROM A FEW INSIDERS WHO APPARENTLY ARE INFORMING HIM (THEY HAVE LEFT NOW.) YOU WILL NOTE HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY CURRENT ACTIVITY FOR OUR CONGREGATION, HENCE HE IS BATTLING WOODMONT HILLS AGAIN. MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON HIS SOUL.
Ken, you said this:

"Mr. Sublett began to reach the WORLD in early 1998 and has about 4.5 million page hits (sermon listens) so far."

I'd be curious as to how many of those are repeat hits. I think you get a big one-off factor. People come here or piney.com and only see it once, then leave, never to return.

I also wouldn't assume that just because people come here that they agree or even want to agree with you. I come here a couple of times a day just to see what you or Donnie Cruz are going to say, much the same reason that some people listen to Howard Stern.

I'm a member at Otter Creek as well and have directed several people here to view what you've said, just to see what the other side of the issue says.

Just another alternate perspective.
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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

January 30th, 2004, 5:06 pm #44

My best information is that 4.5 million page hits parses to about 2 million PEOPLE. Now, you guys count the same people over and over: if your attendance is 500 then you get 500 sermon hits per week from people who are spaced out by the music and false teaching. I have done lots of test: people RUSH to get out and cannot answer simple questions such as WHAT WAS THE TOPIC 15 minutes later.

Because of my links to schools and colleges I would think that lots of people are READING all of the way through. Like any "book" that means two or three times before the LIGHT dispels the DARKNESS. I do lots of class helps of 6th and 9th grader wanting informaion on the Ancient Near East, term papers and thesis. A student in Paris was ready to hand in her masters work when she SUDDENLY dicovered that there was a connection between MUSIC and RELITIGION.

Besides, I don't get paid, don't go out to baptize, take up collections, become a COUNTER OF THE TOWERS and frankly Jesus has not laid it on my heart to care much whether people grasp it or not: I am confident that we are in the WITNESSING phase. You DO remember that the religionists of the CURSED MONARCHY had the prophecies but didn't have a clue about the meaning of the FIRST advent.

Based on the total fulfillment of the end-time signs I am quite sure that YOU will not hear the trumpet voice of Jesus announcing His return: you will have captured people and are involved with real or VOCAL trumping or TRIUMPHING over Jesus and His Word. Revelation 18 and much of the book PROVES that what you guys call CHURCH is the rise of the musical harlot named CIRCE or KIRKE or, yes, even ZOE or INANNA. The word is SYNAGOGUE or school of the Bible.

Yes, I get lots of good mail along with the HATE words: My day is made if I can EXORCIZE the TITHING or LAW OF GIVING to false teaching DEMONS. Or, people wake up and say: "Wow, they really are HURTING me" with all of what history calls screaming, screeching and howling.

I do my web pages for MY education as a converted DISCIPLE of Christ. He promised to be with two or three but not two or three thousand SCREECHING and looking effeminate to DROWN OUT the worship of God which Jesus said happens ONLY in the new PLACE of the human spirit as it GIVES HEED to the WORDS of Christ. The words of Twila or Zoe spits the words of Jesus out of their mouth and plugs the ears. My God, my God, can they believe that they are in the Most Holy Place with you when they are PERFORMING the sacred rites of Thespianism which means the same thing as Lesbianism or its male counterpart.

Because these 2,000 plus documents (Babylon Tablets, Dead Sea Scrolls, Church Fathers and the Bible) are linked and cross linked and COVERED by a search engine, if I have a question I can ask my pages and most often find them. I can find thousands of links to MUSIC AS PAGAN IDOLATRY but NOT ONE Biblical or historical positive thought about MUSIC as the product of Lucifer who is Inanna in Mesopotamia and Zoe in later Gnosticism. Sure, just ask the site about GNOSTICISM. Sure, I knew that an engineer collecting and dispensing all of that stuff for FREE is a reproach to the SECTARIANS of the THESPIAN tribe: rhetoricians, sOPHISts (serpents), singers and musicians.

That is why the old owners are willing to FLEE FOR THEIR SPIRITUAL lives when the theatrical performers MOUNT the podium "making a place for themselves in the mainstream."

Conclusion: I count numbers to decide which way to go in adding or deleting from the 2,000 plus research papers which you would be forced to STARVE your children to PROCURE from purely ignorant "universities."

I am not kind because a Paul Revere is not a LOCATED MISSIONARY (Re:Shelly) and the purely PSYCHOLOGICAL VIOLENCE of using the LOUVEEE-EH word intends to force Paul to set up headquarter in North Church. Neither Jesus nor Paul TURNED the cheek in a literal sense and LOVE is keeping Chris't Commandments and telling my children and my children's children. Thank you very much but my two daughters are well prepared to refute the PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE heresy in Murfreeboro.

I don't expect to see any Jesus riding a white horse down the streets of Jerusalem which is identified as Egypt and Sodom. I think that people are being RAPTURED out of pagan churches held captive by the LOCUST or musical performers of all legend. Paul said that you have to GO OUTSIDE the city or camp or temple to find Jesus who awaits beside Piney Creek to teach: one at a time. I have been raptured and left my "tithes and offerings" to burn up along with the COLLECTORS of the tithes.

I think that it may be like Amos which most preachers and professors lie about:

Am.5:17 And in all vineyards shall be wailing: for I will pass through thee, saith the Lord.

Am.7:8 And the Lord said unto me, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A plumbline. Then said the Lord, Behold, I will set a plumbline [NARROW] in the midst of my people Israel: I
will not again pass by them any more
:

Aristophanes

Socrates responding to the CHORUS


"Didn't know that they sustain and
feed a host of specialists,


"sayers of sooth, quack doctors, [Frogs in Revelation are Quacks]

"hairy idlers with onyx signet-rings,

"writers of chorus-bending screeches,

"phony meteorologists,

Aristophanesdoing nothing useful,
living only to SING about the Clouds?


Performance preachers, guitar players performed the PRETEND task of sorcerers. The Greek language knows them as PARASITES.

It may be popular RELIGION but it has no remote roots to the church of Christ or the SYNAGOGUE of Christ which has ONE GOAL: "making known the manifest wisdom of God" to heaven and earth. The locusts (musical performers) also have Scorpion Stings in their tail: they inject poison to put you to sleep so that you don't even ANTICIPATE that Jesus will take people away while you are marrying and giving in marriage (Hebrew word meaning play the flute, pollute or prostitute).

Ken Sublett
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Sacred Cow
Sacred Cow

January 30th, 2004, 5:54 pm #45

You know of course that AMONG THE SCHOLARS they love to MOCK anyone who speaks of Nadab and Abihu because they are MOCKERS firstly but because they are ignorant because repudiating the Bible used by faithful disciples causes God to blind their eyes, plug their ears and send them strong delusions.

Amazingly, God does this to people who know the Word and then repudiate it again and fall from Grace and cannot be renewed to repentance (Heb. 6).

Paul's warning apply to the FALLS FROM GRACE when People repudiated God by repudiating His Word. God is Spirit and therefore can only be worshipped in OUR SPIRIT when we obey what He wants as worship.

After the Israelites ROSE UP TO PLAY in Musical Idolatry, the Sacrificial system was commanded because they rejected God's GRACE. Nadab and Abihu burned INCENSE on strange (foreign) fire. God had not commanded either incense or the Scape Goat. Moses and Aaron had performed the rituals COMMANDED by God and God did not say: "thou shalt not burn incense to me."

http://www.piney.com/Nadab-Abihu.html

While the MOCKERS Mock--that is what they do as a profession--it is a fact that God CONSUMED them with fire at Mount Sinai and in the Nadab and Abihu ADDING what God had not commanded. The INCENSE altar was added and the people could not approach God. The scapegoat was a SACRIFICED GOAT to Azazel or Satan because they minds demanded something to APPEASE Satan who is always the ROOT of disobedience. Those who worship the GOAT will not be accepted by God in Christ.

Paul spoke of this and other FALLS in Romans 1 which shows that ignoring the WORD automatically turns even believers back to the rituals which lead to perversion.

In Hebrews Paul warned:

"For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that BURNED WITH FIRE, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, Heb 12:18

And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: Heb 12:19

(For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: Heb 12:20

And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:) Heb 12:21

The EARTHLY Jerusalem is identified with SLAVERY and SODOM. The clergy were not true Israelites although they could say that they were children of Abraham. Jesus identifed them with Hagar, slavery, Mount Sinai, the Jerusalem as David's HIGH PLACE. The leaders in this Jebusite High Place were Cainites or Kenites or Canaanites. Cain means A MUSICAL NOTE and it is the MARK of those who use music and CRAFTSMENSHIP to SEDUCE AND ENSLAVE those for whom Jesus Died. We have our spirit made holy so that we can boldly enter the throne room WITHOUT musicians or singers who would be EXECUTED if they dared enter the EARTHLY JERUSALEM type of the church or body of Christ.

BUT ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, Heb 12:22

PLEASE READ THE IN BETWEEN

"And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the REMOVING of those things that are SHAKEN [waver, agitate, rock, topple, incite], as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Heb 12:27

...Salpigc (g4536) sal'-pinx; perh. from 4535 (through the idea of quavering or reverberation): a trumpet: - trump (- et).

"Wherefore we receiving a KINGDOM which cannot be moved, let us have grace,whereby we may serve God acceptably with REVERENCE and godly FEAR: Heb 12:28

For our God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29

EXULTING in A capella music has the meaning of the Pope's CASTRATOS. When we come into the presence of God and do not have REVERENCE or downcast eyes we have been TRANSPORTED into the real of God as a CONSUMING FIRE where GRACE demands that He punish those who treated Him like a prostitute which is the ONLY meaning of music.

This PATTERN is being repeated now as the MUSICAL or THESPIAN performers all focus on Old Testament rituals which were added BECAUSE OF TRANSGRESSION by musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. After which God TURNED THEM OVER to worship the starry host including Saturn = 666.

Having repudiated the WORDS of Christ and the apostles they have been TRANSPORTED back before the Cross and there is no grace or redemption to them.

Those who COME TO THE SOUND of the Trumpet or a human imitation of MUSICA intend to HURT people to create a DRUG HIGH because they have NO WORD OF GOD to give people. In that, they fulfill the TYPE in the Book of Enoch (quoted by Jude) to MASK THEIR FEAR because God has cut off "messanging" as the Word and they are ACTING OUT polluting God because, in these old documents, MISERY DEMANDS COMFORT.

musica , ae, and mu-si(ce- , e-s, f., = mousikê, the art of music, music; acc. to the notions of the ancients, also every higher kind of ARTIST or scientific CULTURE or pursuit

Similar definitions:

exe-ge-tice , es, f., = exêgêtikê, the art of interpretation, exegesis, (outlawed by Peter as PRIVATE INTERPRETATION)

magice-, e-s, f., = magikê (sc. technê), the MAGIC ART, magic, SORCERY

The PHARISEES believed that they held a SPIRITUALLY SUPERIOR POSITION. They were the performance preachers, prayers, song writers as SCRIBES and ACTORS as HYPOCRITES. However, John warned:

"For without are dogs [male prostitutes], and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Re.22:15

ANY concept of the THESPIAN art points directly to DRAMA because "drama works because we KNOW that it isn't true." Any performance is ONCE or TWICE removed from the truth: especially musicians. The Thespians and Lesbians or "Lesbo singers" have much the same meaning.

The CHILDREN or "chorus leaders" piped hoping to get Jesus and His disciples to SING and DANCE the perverted ritual of DIONYSUS.

And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman (TECHNE), of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; Rev 18:22

GRINDERS was a code word for concubines or PROSTITUTES. When they forced Samson to GRIND in the king's house, he was not grinding cornmeal.

mageia, hê, theology of the Magians, m. hê Zôroastrou

Dare any GREEK SCHOLAR refute it? Yet, they are SO SILENT as OCU 2004 combines ART AS WORSHIP and the INTERNATIONAL CHURCH OF CHRIST. This means THE BOSTON MOVEMENT OR CROSSROADS or SHEPHERDING without which the new THESPIAN churces cannot exist. Max Lucado, Lynn Anderson and Rubel Shelly defend a form of SHEPHERDING which is the MEANING of the COMMUNITY CHURCH meaning COMMUNES. Carroll D. Osburn claims that they are training PROPHETS, CHANELLERS and FACILITATORS with advanced degrees (about 212F) to go out and facilitate the changes to the NEW STYLE churches

Ken Sublett
It's quite interesting to see the comments that you do allow.

It's a shame that the majority of our conversations go unseen.

I'm not concerned with this being posted as much as I am you reading it.

The fact that you allow the majority of Ken's filth and banter is beyond my comprehension. But then again it is "your" show.

*Most of his comments need a rating of "R." Due to the sexual content, language, and suggestive material of an adult nature.

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Kenneth Sublett puts his name on his work. Whether he is right or wrong, others will have to discern.

Anyone is allowed to comment, and refute anonymously if they wish, but not attack others.

Many of your postings have been attacks on Kenneth Sublett. We don't have to defend those telling the truth, and Kenneth does a wonderful job, regardless of whether you understand it or not.

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January 31st, 2004, 12:08 am #46

Do you REALLY want to know what we do during worship services? Here it goes:

I personally attend the first set of classes where I meet regularly with many, many other God-fearing Christian men and women--my brothers and sisters in Christ. We pray together and then we sit under the instruction of some of the most humble and knowledgable Christians alive today.

During the service, we fellowship with one another. We have the most amazing a capella worship time I have ever been involved with. We have an amazing pastor who not only preaches the Word, but he lives it. And our elders.....the most caring, loving, prayerful men of God that I know. They want nothing more than to serve God in all that they do. And it is visible in that our church follows their leadership whole-heartedly.

I have never met such an amazing group of Christians than those that attend Otter Creek. We are all sinners, and we will tell you that, but that doesn't make us any different than any of you, does it?

And one more thing--it is obvious (note Sacred Cow's post) that instruments were used in the Old Testament. And instruments will be used in Heaven (see Revelations and other passages)....so, if we serve an unchanging God, why would it be a "sin" to use instruments now???? That just baffles me. And we all should know that the use of a capella music did not become "holy" and instrumental music "sinful" until the Civil War era when churches in the North were criticized for their use of pianos while churches in the South hardly even had a place to meet. Seems to me as if the sin committed here is not instrumental music, but brothers and sisters not reaching out to those in need. Now this hardly seems like a Scripturally ordained reason to knock off instrumental music.....
OCM: And one more thing--it is obvious (note Sacred Cow's post) that instruments were used in the Old Testament. And instruments will be used in Heaven (see Revelations and other passages)....so, if we serve an unchanging God, why would it be a "sin" to use instruments now????
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When the Israelites ROSE UP in perverted PLAY it was MUSICAL IDOLATRY. This was the worship of the STARRY HOSTS and God ABANDONED THEM to the musical worship of Saturn who is 666 in Chaldee. God gave kings to lead the nation into captivity and death. The MUSIC at the temple was therefore EXORCISM as HARD BONDAGE during the sacrifice ot TYPES of Lord Jesus Christ. There is NO CONGREGATIONAL WORSHIP with INSTRUMENTAL ACCOMPANIMENT IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE.

The BIBLE says that Lucifer brought wind, string and percussion instruments which he had as he attempted to ASCEND UP to usurp the throne of God. Having failed, there would be many other ATTACKS on God always with MUSIC.

Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would attempt to TRIUMPH OVER Jesus with music. The Essene translation proves that MUSIC attacks Jesus by idenffying Him with the Dung-God and God of tongues. However, Jesus won and established THE FRUIT OF THE LIPS as the only GOD-GIVEN instrument:

DSS: I will groan with the zither of lamentation
in all grief-stricken mourning and bitter complaint
until iniquity and wickedness are consumed
and the disease-bringing scourge is no more.

An evil disease, say they, cleaveth fast unto him: and now that he lieth he shall rise up no more. Ps.41:8

DSS: Then will I play on the zither of deliverance
and harp of joy,
on the tabors of prayer and the pipe of praise
without end.
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We keep trying to tell you that Jesus didn't build a CHURCH as a WORSHIP CENTER. He bilt a SYNAGOGUE or school of the Bible. Unfortunately while you are singing you may violate the direct command of Paul to TEACH or PREACH the INSPIRED TEXT.
Now they HELD the instruments in heaven: they did not PLAY the harps and fall on their face at the same time. The INSTRUMENTS of Lucifer are wind, string and percussion: the instruments or harps of God are the mouth and heart used to COMMUNICATE.
They were DEAD VIRGINS and the message of John is that the DEAD are at peace and under God's protection. The other angel had a message for the living: preach the gospel which is "teaching the word as it has been taught." If you are into harps maybe you are spiritually dead. If you make a distinction between AUTHORIZED pastor-teacers as vocational preachers and PROFESSONAL PASTORS you may be coddled to keep the coins coming in.
Read about the Revelation SECRET MYSTERY here:
http://www.piney.com/MuHarpRev.html
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OCR: That just baffles me. And we all should know that the use of a capella music did not become "holy" and instrumental music "sinful" until the Civil War era when churches in the North were criticized for their use of pianos while churches in the South hardly even had a place to meet.

I can point you to totally adequate buildings in the South. They were "schools of the Bible" and not "pagan worship centers." Many of the churches I knew about were pre civil war.

It is a historical fact that churches in the North bought up rifled arms, sent then imto the South and said: "There is more power in one of these arms than in a 100 bibles." The war was a RELIGIOUS war. After the war the Northern Churches RICC on destroyed lives came south with their religious carpetbags and went to law to try to steal church property. I think they got one. Try some REAL history while the girly-boys are PERFORMING:

http://www.piney.com/RMNoSo.html

When you say that out loud to defend rank paganism then you have lied before a holy God. YOU say that only because your professors tell you that to SCAM you. Music as worship is condemned throughout the Old and New Testaments but Jesus said that He spoke so that you cannot grasp it if you--as evidenced-have no love for TRUTH. Music is 100% associated with prostitutes and sodomites in all ancient pagan religions. But, not in the VILEST could musicians and singers (A MONEY CROP FOR THE PRIESTS) could they enter into the holy precincts.

The TOTAL church history condemns music as worship because it PROVES that you, as many passages prove, that you DON'T and WON'T hear the words of God. Churches called "the church of Christ" have existed from the beginning and there are dozens of proofs. They ALL condemned instruments or even SINGING in a MUSICAL style. A Cappella means Ala Castratos or the Pope's "boy-girl" teams for the Sistine Chapel.

Prior to the civil are the Baptists, Presbyterians and many Methodists saw instruments, like Luther as the MARK OF BAAL. Many Presbyterians are non-instrumental and faithful to the Bible as PSALM SINGERS. The Baptists were being ROUTED out of their building to make room for ORGANS after 1900. The Catholic Encyclopedia as late as 1911 condemned instruments and the were OUTLAWED in the presence of the Pope and used ONLY for non official meetings.

OCR: Seems to me as if the sin committed here is not instrumental music, but brothers and sisters not reaching out to those in need. Now this hardly seems like a Scripturally ordained reason to knock off instrumental music....

Problem is that the INSTRUMENTAL SECTARIANS are reaching into the POCKETS of non-instrumental churches and the CANNOT preach without lying about the Bible and the totality of church history.

You PROVE my point: the musical clergy in Amos intended to use wine, women (of various sexes) and music to TAKE AWAY THE KEY to knowledge. Now, you are old enough to red and rite and have been left VOID of spiritual knowledge. For that you gladly WORSHIP your leaders and submit to the unlawful law of giving from the poor so the rich don't have to GO PREACH. Sounds to me like your RELATIONSHIPS are too close and too far away from the Suffering Servant who meets ONLY with the two's and three's OUTSIDE THE CAMP to conduct SCHOOL.

Show me a sectarian anti- and I will show you that they are terminally ignorant or totally evil. Paul said in effect that "fools love to be fooled." That is why only the riduculed remnant will go to heaven and God will, like the Jews, assyrians and Egyptians "beat the POPULAR MAJORITY into hell to the beat of harps and drums. YOU believe it because THEY throw you into schizophrenia with all of the SINGING and LOOVEEE-UH.

Ken Sublett
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Joe
Joe

January 31st, 2004, 12:52 pm #47

It's quite interesting to see the comments that you do allow.

It's a shame that the majority of our conversations go unseen.

I'm not concerned with this being posted as much as I am you reading it.

The fact that you allow the majority of Ken's filth and banter is beyond my comprehension. But then again it is "your" show.

*Most of his comments need a rating of "R." Due to the sexual content, language, and suggestive material of an adult nature.

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I will explain this again very slowly so you can grasp it.

Kenneth Sublett puts his name on his work. Whether he is right or wrong, others will have to discern.

Anyone is allowed to comment, and refute anonymously if they wish, but not attack others.

Many of your postings have been attacks on Kenneth Sublett. We don't have to defend those telling the truth, and Kenneth does a wonderful job, regardless of whether you understand it or not.

Your attacks are nameless, spineless, and are without merit. They will continue to be deleted......

Brother Ken
Well it looks like you stepped in it again at Otter Creek. Well done.
I have noticed that you always get attacked by different anonymous named responders. I think it is one person and he post under several names to make it look like there are many that disagree with you, when there is only one demon following you around.
Keep up the Good Work.

To God be the Glory
Joe McKnight
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Sacred Cow
Sacred Cow

February 2nd, 2004, 8:02 pm #48

It's quite interesting to see the comments that you do allow.

It's a shame that the majority of our conversations go unseen.

I'm not concerned with this being posted as much as I am you reading it.

The fact that you allow the majority of Ken's filth and banter is beyond my comprehension. But then again it is "your" show.

*Most of his comments need a rating of "R." Due to the sexual content, language, and suggestive material of an adult nature.

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I will explain this again very slowly so you can grasp it.

Kenneth Sublett puts his name on his work. Whether he is right or wrong, others will have to discern.

Anyone is allowed to comment, and refute anonymously if they wish, but not attack others.

Many of your postings have been attacks on Kenneth Sublett. We don't have to defend those telling the truth, and Kenneth does a wonderful job, regardless of whether you understand it or not.

Your attacks are nameless, spineless, and are without merit. They will continue to be deleted......

"I will explain this again very slowly so you can grasp it."

"Kenneth Sublett puts his name on his work. Whether he is right or wrong, others will have to discern."

"Anyone is allowed to comment, and refute anonymously if they wish, but not attack others."

"Many of your postings have been attacks on Kenneth Sublett. We don't have to defend those telling the truth, and Kenneth does a wonderful job, regardless of whether you understand it or not."

"Your attacks are nameless, spineless, and are without merit. They will continue to be deleted......"

I want to thank you for atleast reading what I sent "you."

Lets be honest.

Whether Ken is right or wrong? That is noble. You see I was under the impression like most others who read this material that Ken and all who associates themselves with this site condsider themselves to be "right."

I can respect your comment regarding "whether right or wrong, everyone must discern for themselves."

That is one our brotherhood's bigest problems. "Too concerned about getting it right and being right." I never said Ken was wrong or that I was even right. My replys are simply written to counter act that which has already been stated. Ken and I disagree.

You also said those who submit are not allowed to attack others. Please, as honestly as you can, please tell me how Ken's words: condemning brothers and sisters to the lake of fire with entire church bodies based on their worship - are not a full blown attacks.

Ken can attack.

No one else can use self defense.

What I do understand is what I already understood. I didn't expect any other comment from you. How easy it to say that many of my submissions are attacks on Ken when I use scripture, just like he does; I ask point blank questions, like he does; and I assume that Ken is a big enough of a man to take care of himself and the submissions; just as I am.

Nameless -

Spineless -

Without merit -

Delete if you must...

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MESSAGE FROM THE MODERATOR

I AM SO VERY SORRY. I MUST NOT HAVE BEEN PLAIN ENOUGH.

KEN USES HIS NAME, SO HE CAN SAY ANYTHING HE WANTS TO AS LONG AS IT'S NOT TELLING AN UNTRUTH ABOUT SOMEONE.

YOU DON'T USE YOUR NAME, SO YOU CAN NOT ATTACK SOMEONE USING THEIR NAME AND WHILE KEEPING YOUR NAME SECRET.

NO WONDER WE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME COMMUNICATING.....

TRY ANOTHER NAME. CONSIDER "SACRED COW" PERMANENTLY BANNED.


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Anonymous
Anonymous

February 2nd, 2004, 8:43 pm #49

Can someone give me more information about one of the churches the leader of the Zoe Group is associated with, Otter Creek? I've read all about Woodmont Hills but haven't seen as much about Otter Creek. Thanks.
I'm concerned that there are way too many people picking hair off fleas about thier churches instead of spreading the gospel. How does this site draw people close to God? I sure hope that God is as gracious as He says He is, because if He judges anything like some of you do, none of us have a chance at spending eternity with God.
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An Otter Creek Member
An Otter Creek Member

February 21st, 2004, 12:06 am #50

Amen, Anon!

While you are all in this forum wasting your time day after day after day refuting what is going on in different churches around the US, there are LOST PEOPLE OUT THERE!!! Lose the buff about instruments and power point and praise teams, get off your butt and go tell people about Jesus!
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