Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

December 26th, 2003, 4:29 am #21

Ken, Ken, Ken.
I do adore you so. It's intersting that you feel like you have been ordained to inform the past generations and generations to come of the evil that lerks around our church corners.


"So, I have to go on and on. Just say ZOE (Lucifer) and you define Otter Creek, Shelly, York, etal. Nuff sed?

There ARE new readers and OLD infidels so I have to repeat for each generation. Why do you singy-clappers say Lord lord (Hallelujah) 20 times?"

You see Ken, the problem is this. Well one of the problems that is, I know, and adore many friends who worship at the Creek. I'm sorry, but when I say or hear ZOE, I don't define them as Lucifer. Nuff sed? Of course not. You know it's not. You're a coward. With an intense blend of arrogance and ingnorance.

Are you so bold to know the hearts of so many that you have never met or worshipped with? Do you know my heart. I know, you're thinking I'm a coward too for describing myself as a sacred cow, and you're right, I fear if I were to reveal myself that it would only hurt our loving relationship.

Singy-Clappers. Right? Is that your lightening bolt to strike at my heart? Why do "we" say Lord, Lord 20 times? Shall I answer you. Here's just a few reasons to mention the Lord over and over again in a song of praise - if you hold the Old Testament as valid - you'll find ample evidence below.

Psalm 7:17
I will give thanks to the LORD because of his righteousness and will sing praise to the name of the LORD Most High. (He's always righteous - right?)

Psalm 9:1
I will praise you, O LORD , with all my heart; I will tell of all your wonders. (I can speak of his wonders without pausing - right?)

Psalm 9:2
I will be glad and rejoice in you; I will sing praise to your name, O Most High. (I'm glad, so I should rejoice)

Psalm 9:11
Sing praises to the LORD , enthroned in Zion; proclaim among the nations what he has done. (Proclaim to all nations what he has done? That could take a long time)

Psalm 21:13
Be exalted, O LORD , in your strength; we will sing and praise your might. (He is mighty)

Psalm 26:7
proclaiming aloud your praise and telling of all your wonderful deeds. (His wonderful deeds don't stop)

Psalm 30:4
Sing to the LORD , you saints of his; praise his holy name. (Does he have a holy name - yep he does)

Psalm 33:1
Sing joyfully to the LORD , you righteous; it is fitting for the upright to praise him. (Are you upright?)

Psalm 33:2
Praise the LORD with the harp; make music to him on the ten-stringed lyre. (Mooops, I bet this verse makes you sick to your tummy)

Psalm 35:28
My tongue will speak of your righteousness and of your praises all day long. (All day long? That's a lot)

Psalm 43:4
Then will I go to the altar of God, to God, my joy and my delight. I will praise you with the harp, O God, my God. (Mooops, I did it again)

Psalm 44:8
In God we make our boast all day long, and we will praise your name forever. Selah (All day long again?)

Psalm 45:17
I will perpetuate your memory through all generations; therefore the nations will praise you for ever and ever. (There are your generations and mine)

Psalm 47:6
Sing praises to God, sing praises; sing praises to our King, sing praises. (Sing praises - that's a good song)

Psalm 52:9
I will praise you forever for what you have done; in your name I will hope, for your name is good. I will praise you in the presence of your saints. (I will praise you forever? WOW!)

Psalm 61:8
Then will I ever sing praise to your name and fulfill my vows day after day. (Day after day? - see a pattern yet?)

Psalm 71:8
My mouth is filled with your praise, declaring your splendor all day long. (All day?)

Psalm 78:4
We will not hide them from their children; we will tell the next generation the praiseworthy deeds of the LORD , his power, and the wonders he has done. (And those generations again!)

This is just a few as you know. I'm sure you won't post this though.

Sounds to me like saying Lord Lord, 20 times doesn't cut it. All day long, forever, praising your name, epsecially to generations to come so that they'll remember his works and deeds, his power and wonders! Sounds to me like I have more than enough to be thankful for, day in and day out, in fact enough to last me a lifetime. Again, is 20 times enough, I doubt it. It's sad that you would be threatened by such praise.

You see this redundant material is requested and expected.

Your redundant material - it's a bit different to say the least.

You do remember Daivd don't you. A man after God's own heart. He made some mistakes. But he praised the Lord to the end of his days. In fact recorded most of what you read above.

Ken, you should try saying Lord Lord more than 20 times a day, it just might change your life. - But then again you'd have to start another web site and then all your "web friends" might be mad at you - right?

Just curious, are you mad because you hear us singy-clappers, repeat praises over and over again. What else should I be doing? How else should I be singing and praises the Lord. Please include instructions for me to praise - I and a few others must have missed something.

Sacred Praising Cow
Wishing you a Moooooey Christmas - Do you celebrate Christmas?

Moderator - Please approve my moooosage.

Now, singy clappy, all you have to do is to prove that David was a WORSHIP LEADER. He was the KING (if you remember the card classes) and with the COMMANDERS of the ARMY organized surplus Levitical Warrior Panic sounders (like surplus Phds) to give glory to the King and to the TEMPLE STATE which was a LIKE THE NATIONS pagan temple.

David only LED the congregation of the PEOPLE twice and he got so excited that he went naked with the camp following slave girls. He ROSE UP TO PLAY in the same sense that the Israelites engaged in musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. The same word is used of Samson who GROUND in the king's house and that wasn't grinding CORN. Kno wat I mean?

What was said of David was said of the FIRST WAYS OF DAVID and not about his LATTER ways. If God approved him as a WORSHIP LEADER then why wouldn't He approve him as an adulterer, murderer and ALL of the sins. God had AMOS reprove David if you have ears.

Psalm 33 is the only INSTRUMENTAL PSALM which does not have some destructive or even hate or superstitious meaning. I have tabulated the Psalms and most are "singing" which was not four part harmony but probably a four note unison chant. Here is the table:

http://www.piney.com/MuArndt.html

NO singer and NO instrumentalists went into the Holy Place. This was typical of the Body of church of Christ with the bread, the menorah or the seven spirits of Christ the branch giving light and the INCENSE altar where we approach God in PERSONAL prayer and go boldly into the Throne Room. This is the ONLY place in a spiritual religion where we WORSHIP one at a time in darkness and quietness like the CLOSET Jesus commanded.

The singers and musicians were SERVING (meaning hard bondage and a word like Abaddon) the priests ONLY. The priests could not have survived the blood, urine, dung, guts, burning flesh and the bleeding TYPES of the innocent Lamb of God without a loud NOISE. Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would try to musically mock (triumph over) Jesus but Jesus gave him the MARK (sop, like melody) of the SOP and caused him to SELF-DESTRUCT. Music came with Lucifer who IS ZOE and other names. The PRAISE word you love means to MAKE SELF VILE in the belief that God couldn't punish the INSANE or MAD in Corinth. Any time you see people silencing the songs and sermons of God through the Spirit of Christ you MUST be mad to think that you can get away with it when the UNIQUE worship word in the Spiritual kingdom is to GIVE HEED to the word and songs of Christ.

If a SINGER or MUSICIAN or a singy-clappy fellow ventured into the TYPE of the church of Christ he would be instantly executed. Not in the VILEST pagan temples did the MUSICIANS (the harem of the gods) ever enter into the holy precincts where their "gods" were believed to meet the priests. Not even in Jezebel's "church" where homosexuality bound the spirit and flesh together could a modern PRAISE SINGER enter into her temple or "church."

The PEOPLE were quarantined from the Temple when the sounders (not musicians) sounded. They were put OUTSIDE THE COURT. The "people's congregation" assembled as CALLED beginning as the Qahal or "church in the wilderness." Blowing the alarm trumpets and "making a joyful noise before the Lord" was OUTLAWED. That was the Levitical "Musicians" Warrior's chant. It was intended to turn the enemy into COWARDS. I think that this is still the PURPOSE: to silence those not willing to engage in "the idolatry of talent." MUSIC says to Jesus that the Psalms (commanded by Paul) inspired by the SPIRIT OF CHRIST are NOT good enough so WE have to mediate or lead the worshipers into the presence of God. That IS NOT WORSHIP: it is Anti-biblical and Anti-Christian worship found in all ancient pagan worship.

You have 100% of the Bible, church history, the Babylonian literature, the classical writers and denominational founders against you. They were ALL wise enough to be able to COMPREHEND that the words TEACH AND ADMONISH with the "inspired text" was NOT remotely related to even the simple MUSIC of the time. The singing and melody were BOTH understood to be IN THE HEART (remember Paul?). People were convinced that if you cannot COMPOSE a plan of salvation out of your head you assuredly cannot approach God without using the WORDS He supplied us to TEACH and COMMUNE.

What you guys are promoting is NOT CHRISTIANITY which makes DISCIPLES (you know, STUDENTS) and not RITUALISTIC performing artists to perform for the "audience" or even lead the "audience." YOU SIMPLY CANNOT JUSTIFY IT WITHOUT AGREEING WITH THE DLU GUYS AND "TAKE LIBERTIES" AND EVEN LIE ABOUT THE BIBLE.

If MUSIC (not a Biblical concept) doesn't condemn you the MASSIVE and deliberate sowing of discord, breaking up churches, families and bringing on the churches greatest TRIBULATION in the modern world will do it. It is all TRAFFICK which was what Satan tried in heaven and indwelling the Kings of Tyre and Babylon.

Ken
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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

December 26th, 2003, 5:49 pm #22

Rubel Shelly and John York "preached" these Bible-distorted messages. However, they claimed that the elders had given them permission to WRITE them on company time and then PUBLISH them. Scribes are linked with Pharisees and the SECTARIAN Hypocrites (singers, speakers, actors for pay) by Jesus.

Now, my little moonbeam reflecting Shelly Light from the ZOE group, in CONTRAST to all of the Slaves of the Watchtowers,I READ the sermons and then just place the straight stick of the Bible alongside the crooked paths of most sermonizers. You cannot HEAR or COMPREHEND in the presence of a confessed "charismatic" preacher. You cannot HEAR and do not PLAN to hear when the logical (spiritual) brain has been CLOSED UP by "music" which tickles all of your PLEASURE PALACES and so HURTS you that your body RUSHES to supply morphine-like endorphins to KILL THE PAIN with enough left over that the MUSICAL MEDIATORS and manipulative speakcers replacing Jesus Christ can sell you the idea that they JACKED YOU UP into the presence of the gods and you had a "knowing" experience with Him. That is Satanic (Luciferian) and VERY superstitious paganism. Sure, the MOST ENLIGHTENED urbans are the FIRST to fall into a totally CRUSHED charismatic brain.

Therefore, I posted a REVIEW of the preached "book" and repudiated the JESUS PROPOSAL long before it was being TRAFFICKED: and lots from all over the world have read them. Remember that Max Lucado confesses to finding a CATCHY THEME. Then, he buys up books on the subject and puts the stuff in a sqirmy way which appeals to those unable to read the truth. The JESUS PROPOSAL will already have had lots of advertising. You, know, like Jubilee promoted by the POPE.

I NEVER review anything which has not been PUBLISHED. I tell the TRUTH and you cannot and will not review my review and refute it without taking Shelly's advice to TAKE LIBERTIES with the old words of Jesus.

Show me a musical or charismatic performance so-called 'WORSHIP' service and I will show you where some of the COW-s of Bashan have promoted the NEW WINESKIN and music to STARVE the people of the WORD as it has been written. Don't depend on me, just read the sermons and you will find that they claim to be POSTMODERN which is post-Biblical and post-Christiandom.

If you love the Living Word you will love the Written Word. And that is why you are putting your trust in people who PUBLISH and sow discord all over the world.

If you think that testing the spirits and refuting what none of the TITHERS or GIVERS of wages can even HEAR in the aura of bigness, is wrong then just too bad, buster.

It is hard for these people to open their mouth without badmouthing "conservatives." The NEW STYLE Jubilee is BUILT ON THE FOUNDATION of JUDGEMENTALLY CREATING A NEW SECTARIANISM which would COLLAPSE without the non-instrumental churches of Christ to CONDEMN to hell. That foundation was laid when the conservative or Bible-based preachers would not ENDORSE Rubel Shelly's false teachings. My suspicion is that it is the most massive, expensive, divisive GET EVEN effort in church history against those who have FIRED the Grace-Centered stable. NO ONE would hire them so they are forced, like Max Lucado in San Antonia, to attempt to become the MOTHER CHURCH of the city. Certainly no Baptist would hire people so anti-Biblical with proven disloyalty for taking a wage to SUBVERT a peacable kingdom. The Disciples will USE the disloyal but they WOULD NOT put them on their RETIREMENT PLAN. After all, Jesus used a word which makes those who repudiate baptism as TREACHEROUS and as INFIDELS.

People who repudiate baptism FOR the remission of sins call God a LIAR. If they feel the NEED to get the tiny circle of PROMOTERS to push their silly books so that we will promote your books then A TINY FEW have the same right to say that IT IS ALL SCHOLARLY nonsense. In the Christian world of ETHICS, the VOCATIONAL teachers trump the GET RICH teachers who KNOW that TRUTH will not TRAFFICK.

It PEDDLES or TRAFFICKS because they know that the masses have been disabled by years of turning the SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE into "theaters for holy entertainment." I am truly sorry but I don't have the time or ability to write 5 second sound bytes for the CRIPPLED LAMBS.

The job of the LOCUSTS (musical performers) and fallen angels is to put ALL of the big church members to sleep so that they CANNOT hear the word. The HEARERS have already been driven out. There is NO MERCY to the LED any more than there is for the BLIND LEADERS. If a person CAN be sucked into this silliness you call "worship" they they are not, in the words of Jesus, OF THE TRUTH. "Believeth nots" are "baptized nots" because they HATE Spiritual truth.

Ken
I just naturally get TENSE (past, perfect, future) when banditos break in and steal. I remember returning from church in Seattle one Wednesday night and recognizing that I had been burgled, got that tense feeling people describe as being RAPED. When the loving christians stole the church house of widows after I left I got that same FEELING of being raped. Seems the preacher, musicians and mother hen came to Jubilee and the Zoe group and learned how to GRADUALLY lie, cheat and steal to BURGLE a whole church: one of the FIVE out of 13,000 the ZOE or Lucifer group has been able to subvert.

God said something like "getting pregnant on straw

Now, they have hit little Hohenwald and all of a sudden they CANNOT speak the truth about any of the Bible. When people BURGLE the normal advice is to LEAVE rather than to fight. I picked the quietest place on earth to retire and THEY have been on the Jubilee, Purpose Driven and Promise Keeper's MORTAL ATTACK for the duration. Isn't there an end time statement which says that they seek to WEAR OUT THE SAINTS?

I am tense because the STAFF INFECTION has decided, advised by Rubel Shelly, to become LOCATED MISSIONARIES. Lord help us, some churches have hired MISSIONARIES IN RESIDENCE. The LABOR LADEN by the Jewish clergy on the people--used like pack animals--was and is "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals."

CHURCH is the LARGEST dispenser of spiritual anxiety without which the AUDIENCE would not get suckered by the LAW OF GIVING and of TITHING. That is why CHURCHES are bringing down the wrath of the country on "christiaity."

Isaiah 33:10 Now will I arise," says the LORD."Now will I be exalted; now will I be lifted up.

Isaiah 33:11 You conceive chaff, you give birth to straw; your breath (SPIRIT) is a fire that consumes you.

That is the SPIRIT by which God BAPTIZES MOST while He baptizes a TINY REMNANT with A holy spirit ONLY at water baptism.

Isaiah said: "You get pregnant on chaff and bring forth straw." That eases my tension greatly. When I recognise that the FIRE SPIRIT comes out of the mouths of false teachers I just wait around for the HOLY FIRE the ACU guy and Zoe are calling down.

My mom said that I work so hard to complete every task because I was basically lazy. But, praise the Lord, I don't pay for no MUSICAL MEDIATORS to replace Jesus Christ NO MO, NO MO. That lets me sleep like a baby when I have rushed through the cities and dusted my feet and received my WAGE of being despised by the TRAFFICKERS.

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December 30th, 2003, 6:39 am #23

Now, singy clappy, all you have to do is to prove that David was a WORSHIP LEADER. He was the KING (if you remember the card classes) and with the COMMANDERS of the ARMY organized surplus Levitical Warrior Panic sounders (like surplus Phds) to give glory to the King and to the TEMPLE STATE which was a LIKE THE NATIONS pagan temple.

David only LED the congregation of the PEOPLE twice and he got so excited that he went naked with the camp following slave girls. He ROSE UP TO PLAY in the same sense that the Israelites engaged in musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. The same word is used of Samson who GROUND in the king's house and that wasn't grinding CORN. Kno wat I mean?

What was said of David was said of the FIRST WAYS OF DAVID and not about his LATTER ways. If God approved him as a WORSHIP LEADER then why wouldn't He approve him as an adulterer, murderer and ALL of the sins. God had AMOS reprove David if you have ears.

Psalm 33 is the only INSTRUMENTAL PSALM which does not have some destructive or even hate or superstitious meaning. I have tabulated the Psalms and most are "singing" which was not four part harmony but probably a four note unison chant. Here is the table:

http://www.piney.com/MuArndt.html

NO singer and NO instrumentalists went into the Holy Place. This was typical of the Body of church of Christ with the bread, the menorah or the seven spirits of Christ the branch giving light and the INCENSE altar where we approach God in PERSONAL prayer and go boldly into the Throne Room. This is the ONLY place in a spiritual religion where we WORSHIP one at a time in darkness and quietness like the CLOSET Jesus commanded.

The singers and musicians were SERVING (meaning hard bondage and a word like Abaddon) the priests ONLY. The priests could not have survived the blood, urine, dung, guts, burning flesh and the bleeding TYPES of the innocent Lamb of God without a loud NOISE. Psalm 41 prophesied that Judas would try to musically mock (triumph over) Jesus but Jesus gave him the MARK (sop, like melody) of the SOP and caused him to SELF-DESTRUCT. Music came with Lucifer who IS ZOE and other names. The PRAISE word you love means to MAKE SELF VILE in the belief that God couldn't punish the INSANE or MAD in Corinth. Any time you see people silencing the songs and sermons of God through the Spirit of Christ you MUST be mad to think that you can get away with it when the UNIQUE worship word in the Spiritual kingdom is to GIVE HEED to the word and songs of Christ.

If a SINGER or MUSICIAN or a singy-clappy fellow ventured into the TYPE of the church of Christ he would be instantly executed. Not in the VILEST pagan temples did the MUSICIANS (the harem of the gods) ever enter into the holy precincts where their "gods" were believed to meet the priests. Not even in Jezebel's "church" where homosexuality bound the spirit and flesh together could a modern PRAISE SINGER enter into her temple or "church."

The PEOPLE were quarantined from the Temple when the sounders (not musicians) sounded. They were put OUTSIDE THE COURT. The "people's congregation" assembled as CALLED beginning as the Qahal or "church in the wilderness." Blowing the alarm trumpets and "making a joyful noise before the Lord" was OUTLAWED. That was the Levitical "Musicians" Warrior's chant. It was intended to turn the enemy into COWARDS. I think that this is still the PURPOSE: to silence those not willing to engage in "the idolatry of talent." MUSIC says to Jesus that the Psalms (commanded by Paul) inspired by the SPIRIT OF CHRIST are NOT good enough so WE have to mediate or lead the worshipers into the presence of God. That IS NOT WORSHIP: it is Anti-biblical and Anti-Christian worship found in all ancient pagan worship.

You have 100% of the Bible, church history, the Babylonian literature, the classical writers and denominational founders against you. They were ALL wise enough to be able to COMPREHEND that the words TEACH AND ADMONISH with the "inspired text" was NOT remotely related to even the simple MUSIC of the time. The singing and melody were BOTH understood to be IN THE HEART (remember Paul?). People were convinced that if you cannot COMPOSE a plan of salvation out of your head you assuredly cannot approach God without using the WORDS He supplied us to TEACH and COMMUNE.

What you guys are promoting is NOT CHRISTIANITY which makes DISCIPLES (you know, STUDENTS) and not RITUALISTIC performing artists to perform for the "audience" or even lead the "audience." YOU SIMPLY CANNOT JUSTIFY IT WITHOUT AGREEING WITH THE DLU GUYS AND "TAKE LIBERTIES" AND EVEN LIE ABOUT THE BIBLE.

If MUSIC (not a Biblical concept) doesn't condemn you the MASSIVE and deliberate sowing of discord, breaking up churches, families and bringing on the churches greatest TRIBULATION in the modern world will do it. It is all TRAFFICK which was what Satan tried in heaven and indwelling the Kings of Tyre and Babylon.

Ken
Ken,
You really shouldn't title your response with such a classic line from a Monty Python movie, you really lose the sense of seriousness after such an intro.

"Now, singy clappy, all you have to do is to prove that David was a WORSHIP LEADER. He was the KING (if you remember the card classes) and with the COMMANDERS of the ARMY organized surplus Levitical Warrior Panic sounders (like surplus Phds) to give glory to the King and to the TEMPLE STATE which was a LIKE THE NATIONS pagan temple."

You tickle me Ken. Prove that David was a WORSHIP LEADER? Shall I fall into such a feeble trap PHARISEE! You have already assumed far too much about me. You assume that I'm ready for or alreay have instruments in my church. I'm not and I don't. However, I don't share in your rediculous notions of instruments being of or from the devil himself. They are not and will not be the demise of the church. They're not of the devil, prove that God hates them, prove anything you say about instruments and stop with the stupid web links to nonsense.

"You have 100% of the Bible, church history, the Babylonian literature, the classical writers and denominational founders against you. They were ALL wise enough to be able to COMPREHEND that the words TEACH AND ADMONISH with the "inspired text" was NOT remotely related to even the simple MUSIC of the time. The singing and melody were BOTH understood to be IN THE HEART (remember Paul?). People were convinced that if you cannot COMPOSE a plan of salvation out of your head you assuredly cannot approach God without using the WORDS He supplied us to TEACH and COMMUNE."

Against me? Which Bible are you reading? The inspired text? Which one was that? Do you remember Paul? How can you quote him and not know him from his own words? You have no intention of teaching anyone material worth learning nor do you have a sense of what it is to commune.

I have asked you again and again to give an alternative to everything mentioned in this wasted space on the internet you call a web domain. Blasphemy you said? "David only LED the congregation of the PEOPLE twice and he got so excited that he went naked with the camp following slave girls. He ROSE UP TO PLAY in the same sense that the Israelites engaged in musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. The same word is used of Samson who GROUND in the king's house and that wasn't grinding CORN. Kno wat I mean?"

You sound more like a dirty old man venting his tention, kno wat I mean?

So lets go to LaGard who you know so well. If youth ministers are taking money from honest evangelists and right beside us are pulpit ministers who are no more scriptural than we are, right along with church buildings, and comfortable pews, beautiful lighting, microphones, and yes song leaders, worship leaders what ever, shall I go on...You ask me to prove David was WORSHIP LEADER, I should know he was a KING from the card class right? I suppose card classes were power point presentations in your day right? Were card classes scriptural?

Jesus told them to destroy the temple and that he'd raise it up in three days. His body right?

Then there's your Paul, who you like to quote a bit; he said that our body was the temple right?

He goes on to say, honor God with our body then. Right?

Did they worship in the temple? Was it not a Holy Place? But yet, because of Jesus our body is the temple right? Therefore what Ken? Come on, didn't they teach you this in card classes?

Can I sit here and prove David was a worship leader? Well do you mean the posistion that we've created in our churches? Like communion leaders? In two catagories of course, those who serve and those who preside. Or do you mean was his body a temple and because of that his life was worship, therefore he is a worship leader and he has all the more reason to praise the Lord over and over again - just like you and just like me - are we not all worship leaders or am I just twisting words, proof-texting if you to make it say what I want it to? Uh Oh, what about women, are their bodies temples too? Then are they worship leaders by the way they lead and eximplify God through their temples?

Does your church have a song leader, those who lead in open prayer and do you have communion leaders? Do you have a preacher? Do you worship in church building? How is what you do any safer that what I do? What do you suggest Ken?

Do things change with time? Does worship change with time? You claim it doesn't and shouldn't. Remember: "If a SINGER or MUSICIAN or a singy-clappy fellow ventured into the TYPE of the church of Christ he would be instantly executed. Not in the VILEST pagan temples did the MUSICIANS (the harem of the gods) ever enter into the holy precincts where their "gods" were believed to meet the priests. Not even in Jezebel's "church" where homosexuality bound the spirit and flesh together could a modern PRAISE SINGER enter into her temple or "church.""

I would be instantly executed! Would you not? Probably not, you'd sell your soul for thirty pieces of silver so wouldn't be labled a singy-clappy fellow wouldn't you?

Do you chant in your worship service? Do things change with time? "Any time you see people silencing the songs and sermons of God through the Spirit of Christ you MUST be mad to think that you can get away with it when the UNIQUE worship word in the Spiritual kingdom is to GIVE HEED to the word and songs of Christ."

Do you sing the same songs that were chanted back then? Or do you sing the songs that many other writers besides that of the church of Christ brothers wrote? Is your song book an "only church of Christ song book?" O, song books...are they scriptural?

"MUSIC says to Jesus that the Psalms (commanded by Paul) inspired by the SPIRIT OF CHRIST are NOT good enough so WE have to mediate or lead the worshipers into the presence of God. That IS NOT WORSHIP: it is Anti-biblical and Anti-Christian worship found in all ancient pagan worship."

Where did you get this profound statement? PROVE ANY OF YOUR MATERIAL! You can't!

"What you guys are promoting is NOT CHRISTIANITY which makes DISCIPLES (you know, STUDENTS) and not RITUALISTIC performing artists to perform for the "audience" or even lead the "audience." YOU SIMPLY CANNOT JUSTIFY IT WITHOUT AGREEING WITH THE DLU GUYS AND "TAKE LIBERTIES" AND EVEN LIE ABOUT THE BIBLE."

"If MUSIC (not a Biblical concept) doesn't condemn you the MASSIVE and deliberate sowing of discord, breaking up churches, families and bringing on the churches greatest TRIBULATION in the modern world will do it. It is all TRAFFICK which was what Satan tried in heaven and indwelling the Kings of Tyre and Babylon."

Which guys am I? I am a DLU guy. However the only liar I see is the proof-texting, retired engineer, who is full of condemnation and the kind of discord that is specifically mentioned in our Bible. Music is not a Biblical concept? What part of your worship on Sunday morning is? Is Sunday night a Biblical concept, is Wednesday? Music is no more breaking up churches, and after all the family research I've done for years, it's certainly not breaking up familis - what a stupid comment. Just like we should out law guns because of what happened at Columbine right? Just like we should sue those who manufacture fertilizer becuause it's used in making bombs. You are truly a NUT-CASE. Man I'd love analyze your past, your parents, your family and your current state of mind. You are an incredible case study for research. Forget what I said about counseling, you've missed that opportunity, lets start with medication.

Just curious? Does worship change with time? Do you still sacrafice animals? How many animals were sacraficed in the temple? They were an offering to God right - a part of worship? Were more than 20 animals sacraficed in a day? Surely not. Surely there were church of Christ / Ken Sublet bi-laws that said you were only entitled so many.

Music is not the issue Ken. You have serious chip on your shoulder regarding music. The a drummer steal your first girlfriend. Or were you raised like Pavlov's dogs?

Who was Ivan Pavlov?


Ivan Pavlov was a Russian physiologist that is renowned for his landmark study on conditioning. He conducted this hallmark study during the twentieth century. The interesting thing about this study was the fact that Pavlov was not even studying the effects of conditioning when he launched the study.


He was actually studying the physiological effects of eating in the dogs. He began by studying digestion, but Pavlov began to observe that the salivation of the dogs was very curious. He would place meat powder or some other food morsel on the dog's tongue, waiting for the salivation to occur.


He began to see that the dogs were salivating as soon as he entered the room, which was before any food was even in sight. Since salivation in any animal is a reflex, Pavlov decided to probe deeper into the conditioning of the dogs. This later became known as classical conditioning.



I have heard about Pavlov's dogs. What is so significant about this study?


Pavlov's study is also known as Pavlovian conditioning. This study is one of the most used studies in classical conditioning. Conditioning is a type of learning. Basically, what this study proved was that the dogs became conditioned by Pavlov to have expectations. When he entered the room, the dogs expected food; therefore, they began salivating in expectation. After he noticed that the meat powder had this effect, he decided to try a different neutral stimulus.



What is a neutral stimulus?


A neutral stimulus is something that normally would not produce any salivation. Pavlov chose to ring a bell since ringing a bell would not normally produce salivation in the dogs.


Pavlov began ringing a bell before placing the meat powder or item on the dog's tongue. Each and every time that the bell was rung, meat powder or food was given to the dog. Pavlov repeated these experiments many, many times. Eventually, the bell alone was enough to make the dogs salivate. This proved that a neutral stimulus that elicited no response whatsoever from the dogs before was now causing a response- salivation.


What did this prove?


Pavlov's experiment proved that all animals could be trained or conditioned to expect a consequence on the results of previous experience. For example, a child that is always given a cookie by a particular teacher will begin to expect that cookie every single time that they see the teacher. If the teacher always says the word 'yummy' before giving the cookie, the child will become conditioned to expect the cookie after hearing the word. The children would even begin to salivate at the appearance of the teacher or the word yummy after repeated conditioning.

YOU HAVE BEEN WELL CONDITIONED KEN KEN.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE KEN SALIVATE JUST RING HIS BELL.

MUSIC. MUSIC. MUSIC.

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December 30th, 2003, 6:55 am #24

Rubel Shelly and John York "preached" these Bible-distorted messages. However, they claimed that the elders had given them permission to WRITE them on company time and then PUBLISH them. Scribes are linked with Pharisees and the SECTARIAN Hypocrites (singers, speakers, actors for pay) by Jesus.

Now, my little moonbeam reflecting Shelly Light from the ZOE group, in CONTRAST to all of the Slaves of the Watchtowers,I READ the sermons and then just place the straight stick of the Bible alongside the crooked paths of most sermonizers. You cannot HEAR or COMPREHEND in the presence of a confessed "charismatic" preacher. You cannot HEAR and do not PLAN to hear when the logical (spiritual) brain has been CLOSED UP by "music" which tickles all of your PLEASURE PALACES and so HURTS you that your body RUSHES to supply morphine-like endorphins to KILL THE PAIN with enough left over that the MUSICAL MEDIATORS and manipulative speakcers replacing Jesus Christ can sell you the idea that they JACKED YOU UP into the presence of the gods and you had a "knowing" experience with Him. That is Satanic (Luciferian) and VERY superstitious paganism. Sure, the MOST ENLIGHTENED urbans are the FIRST to fall into a totally CRUSHED charismatic brain.

Therefore, I posted a REVIEW of the preached "book" and repudiated the JESUS PROPOSAL long before it was being TRAFFICKED: and lots from all over the world have read them. Remember that Max Lucado confesses to finding a CATCHY THEME. Then, he buys up books on the subject and puts the stuff in a sqirmy way which appeals to those unable to read the truth. The JESUS PROPOSAL will already have had lots of advertising. You, know, like Jubilee promoted by the POPE.

I NEVER review anything which has not been PUBLISHED. I tell the TRUTH and you cannot and will not review my review and refute it without taking Shelly's advice to TAKE LIBERTIES with the old words of Jesus.

Show me a musical or charismatic performance so-called 'WORSHIP' service and I will show you where some of the COW-s of Bashan have promoted the NEW WINESKIN and music to STARVE the people of the WORD as it has been written. Don't depend on me, just read the sermons and you will find that they claim to be POSTMODERN which is post-Biblical and post-Christiandom.

If you love the Living Word you will love the Written Word. And that is why you are putting your trust in people who PUBLISH and sow discord all over the world.

If you think that testing the spirits and refuting what none of the TITHERS or GIVERS of wages can even HEAR in the aura of bigness, is wrong then just too bad, buster.

It is hard for these people to open their mouth without badmouthing "conservatives." The NEW STYLE Jubilee is BUILT ON THE FOUNDATION of JUDGEMENTALLY CREATING A NEW SECTARIANISM which would COLLAPSE without the non-instrumental churches of Christ to CONDEMN to hell. That foundation was laid when the conservative or Bible-based preachers would not ENDORSE Rubel Shelly's false teachings. My suspicion is that it is the most massive, expensive, divisive GET EVEN effort in church history against those who have FIRED the Grace-Centered stable. NO ONE would hire them so they are forced, like Max Lucado in San Antonia, to attempt to become the MOTHER CHURCH of the city. Certainly no Baptist would hire people so anti-Biblical with proven disloyalty for taking a wage to SUBVERT a peacable kingdom. The Disciples will USE the disloyal but they WOULD NOT put them on their RETIREMENT PLAN. After all, Jesus used a word which makes those who repudiate baptism as TREACHEROUS and as INFIDELS.

People who repudiate baptism FOR the remission of sins call God a LIAR. If they feel the NEED to get the tiny circle of PROMOTERS to push their silly books so that we will promote your books then A TINY FEW have the same right to say that IT IS ALL SCHOLARLY nonsense. In the Christian world of ETHICS, the VOCATIONAL teachers trump the GET RICH teachers who KNOW that TRUTH will not TRAFFICK.

It PEDDLES or TRAFFICKS because they know that the masses have been disabled by years of turning the SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE into "theaters for holy entertainment." I am truly sorry but I don't have the time or ability to write 5 second sound bytes for the CRIPPLED LAMBS.

The job of the LOCUSTS (musical performers) and fallen angels is to put ALL of the big church members to sleep so that they CANNOT hear the word. The HEARERS have already been driven out. There is NO MERCY to the LED any more than there is for the BLIND LEADERS. If a person CAN be sucked into this silliness you call "worship" they they are not, in the words of Jesus, OF THE TRUTH. "Believeth nots" are "baptized nots" because they HATE Spiritual truth.

Ken
"I NEVER review anything which has not been PUBLISHED. I tell the TRUTH and you cannot and will not review my review and refute it without taking Shelly's advice to TAKE LIBERTIES with the old words of Jesus."

How arogant. You'd refuted the book long before it was a book?

You don't tell the TRUTH. You tell Ken's Bitter Version of the TRUTH because you feel the world, people, and others close to you have made done-you wrong and haven't appreciated you like they should have.

I did review your review and I will refute it. And I'd take anyone's advice in taking liberties, long before taking your's!

Do you still attend Hohenwald Church of Christ? Are you still shut in? Just curious. How many people did you baptize this past year? I think for Shelly, it was close to 70.

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December 30th, 2003, 7:00 am #25

I just naturally get TENSE (past, perfect, future) when banditos break in and steal. I remember returning from church in Seattle one Wednesday night and recognizing that I had been burgled, got that tense feeling people describe as being RAPED. When the loving christians stole the church house of widows after I left I got that same FEELING of being raped. Seems the preacher, musicians and mother hen came to Jubilee and the Zoe group and learned how to GRADUALLY lie, cheat and steal to BURGLE a whole church: one of the FIVE out of 13,000 the ZOE or Lucifer group has been able to subvert.

God said something like "getting pregnant on straw

Now, they have hit little Hohenwald and all of a sudden they CANNOT speak the truth about any of the Bible. When people BURGLE the normal advice is to LEAVE rather than to fight. I picked the quietest place on earth to retire and THEY have been on the Jubilee, Purpose Driven and Promise Keeper's MORTAL ATTACK for the duration. Isn't there an end time statement which says that they seek to WEAR OUT THE SAINTS?

I am tense because the STAFF INFECTION has decided, advised by Rubel Shelly, to become LOCATED MISSIONARIES. Lord help us, some churches have hired MISSIONARIES IN RESIDENCE. The LABOR LADEN by the Jewish clergy on the people--used like pack animals--was and is "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals."

CHURCH is the LARGEST dispenser of spiritual anxiety without which the AUDIENCE would not get suckered by the LAW OF GIVING and of TITHING. That is why CHURCHES are bringing down the wrath of the country on "christiaity."

Isaiah 33:10 Now will I arise," says the LORD."Now will I be exalted; now will I be lifted up.

Isaiah 33:11 You conceive chaff, you give birth to straw; your breath (SPIRIT) is a fire that consumes you.

That is the SPIRIT by which God BAPTIZES MOST while He baptizes a TINY REMNANT with A holy spirit ONLY at water baptism.

Isaiah said: "You get pregnant on chaff and bring forth straw." That eases my tension greatly. When I recognise that the FIRE SPIRIT comes out of the mouths of false teachers I just wait around for the HOLY FIRE the ACU guy and Zoe are calling down.

My mom said that I work so hard to complete every task because I was basically lazy. But, praise the Lord, I don't pay for no MUSICAL MEDIATORS to replace Jesus Christ NO MO, NO MO. That lets me sleep like a baby when I have rushed through the cities and dusted my feet and received my WAGE of being despised by the TRAFFICKERS.

Ken.
"My mom said that I work so hard to complete every task because I was basically lazy. But, praise the Lord, I don't pay for no MUSICAL MEDIATORS to replace Jesus Christ NO MO, NO MO. That lets me sleep like a baby when I have rushed through the cities and dusted my feet and received my WAGE of being despised by the TRAFFICKERS."

Now I'm beginning to see where your issues originated from.

Like you're rushing through cities dusting your feet. You're lazy remember and retired. So why rush anywhere?

Cry me a river KEN. You're no martyr.
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January 2nd, 2004, 1:00 am #26

But it doesn't really tell me much about Otter Creek itself. Is there some hard information out there? Thanks again.
it's no secret that the otters have been making prolific use of instruments for several years now, and i'm not just talking back-up cd tracks. they've used a full band (guitars, drums, guitars, keyboards - not the oboe, french horn band) for various 'special music' holiday presentations for quite a while. similiar situations have existed at teen retreat and adult retreats, as well. it's not like this has been done in secret.
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January 2nd, 2004, 3:19 pm #27

I am sorry but my PERVERTED mind and 100% of history connecting RELIGIOUS MUSIC to SEXUALITY will not resist saying:

I have forgotten how to make a "D" chord,
But THEY know how to TWANG the "G" string.

MELOS
I. a limb...within my BODILY FRAME, breaking down "limb by limb"

II. a song, strain, Hhymn... lyric poetry... to write in lyric strain
....lyric poetry, the CHORAL SONGS,
....opposed to the DIALOG

melôid-ia , hê, singing, chanting, CHORAL SONGS, LULLABY

IN THE GREEK WORLD THE MUSES WERE CONNECTED TO PAGAN, OBSCENE "WORSHIP" OF ZEUS, APOLLO (ABADDON, APOLLYON, etc. See Rev 18:22)

"The MUSES (musicians) or secondary GODDESSES were USED by Apollo at his SEEKER CENTER at Delphi. They were the daughters of ZEUS. These were the GODDESSES of the arts, drama, music, and the power behind them. The Muses were: Clio (history), Calliope (epic poetry), Erato (love poetry), Euterpe (lyric poetry), Melpomene (tragedy), Polyhymnia (song, rhetoric, and geometry), Thalia (comedy), Terpsichore (dancing), and Urania (astronomy and astrology). In fact the word "music" is derived from Muse, and means "art of the Muses". A more definitive way of putting it would be "art of the goddesses".

It is interesting to see that the "ART of the goddesses" is also being used today in a psychological manner; even in the church. This is seen especially in The Church Growth Movement. For instance, CGM forerunner Bill Hybels of Willow Creek Community Church [a church into using drama and music to reach people] says,

"A person's resistance to persuasion is very high when SPOKEN TO...

....but VERY LOW when exposed to drama and music.

NOTE FROM ABOVE, THIS WAS THE UNDERSTANDING OF ALL WHO TRIED TO SEDUCE YOU WITH "MUSIC"

....lyric poetry, the CHORAL SONGS,
....opposed to the DIALOG

THE INFILTRATE AND DIVERT CONFESS THAT:

....We communicate truth through the BACK DOOR. People don't even know it's happening." Daily Herald, May 18, 1988.

"We can explain this by saying that the ARTS of the Muses have a power to LOWER RESISTANCE in order to persuade a person's thinking, and subtly at that [which is disturbing].

...We can see the concepts of this same myth used by marketing psychology in radio and TV commercials. Commercials use music and drama to affect our minds in this manner.

In the Greek world, males who did this were PERVERTED or DRUNK. This is why they used GOWNS but loose enough that THOSE WITH EYES can understand that the Holy Whore of Revelation 18:22 is at the PEAK OF HER WEAK and the frantic--yea, hostile and violent--MUSES as resurrected LOCUSTS (musical performers) have to STING as many people as possible for Lucifer-Zoe.

See the PROMISE KEEPER'S authority for MAX LUCADO'S new vision and Rubel Shelly's NEW GLASSES for a NEW VISION for the CHURCH:

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/thr ... 1073050102

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January 2nd, 2004, 8:27 pm #28

Ken,
Thank you for opening my eyes!!
Your wisdom and understanding of the gospel message is unsurpassed in my experience.
I've been attending Otter Creek for a number of years but was never made aware of their sins until I read about your experiences there.

CAN GOD EVER FORGIVE ME FOR ATTENDING OTTER CREEK?
I need to know!! Is this an unforgivable sin?
I was baptized before I attended Otter Creek, so I hope my baptism is still valid and can get me into heaven.
What am I to do??
How can I put an end to this evil, which sounds worse than all of Adolf Hitler's actions?
Should I attend another church??
If so, can you recommend a church in Nashville that teaches the truth? I would love nothing more than to attend your church.
If God can't forgive me of this sin, then I might as well quit going to church.
I NEED HELP!

Thanks for exposing how much God hates to hear any sound except for human voices! I now wonder if He's ever heard anything I've said to Him.
You have truly preached GOOD NEWS.
Wow, I'm in awe.

P.S. How do I quit speaking in tongues?
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January 3rd, 2004, 12:05 am #29

Dear HELP,

I am sorry that you are having trouble GIVING HEED to the words. However, this is a symptom. From the garden of Eden to the end-time Babylonian worship, SELF-DIRECTING is the result of hungering and thirsting for the WORD and not able to find it (Amos 5, 6, 8; Isaiah 5) because the "Shepherds" refuse to FEED you.

This is not about YOU in the least. Let me tell you as a long time student with a problem I have found some answers. My problem was trying to reconciling my honest research of the Bible which has NOTHING good to say about "music" even if lost souls did. And, indeed, all of the musical terms and names of instruments in a "religious sense" began with Lucifer (Zoe) the superior to Jesus the Word who caused the fall of the angels. He/She appeared in the garden of Eden with wind, string and percussion instruments to WHOLLY SEDUCE Eve and ends with Revelation 18 warning about the end-time APOSTATE CHURCH which depends on "rhetoricians, sOPHISst (serpents), singers and musicians. All identified as part of the HYPOCRITE sect, all called SORCERERS and all PARASITES.

On the other hand, false teachers quite naturally see God 110% commanding music and instruments and identify those who OPPOSE them as SATANIC. This naturally produces a CONFLICT or as you might say DISCORD and we wonder how the "church" can exist as "christian" and still tell God that HE is a Liar. Well, in fact it cannot. The REMNANT is always tiny and will have to COME OUT of most end-time churches who actually HIRE PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS to attract the WORLD'S MAJORITY who have sold themselves to Satan or Lucifer called the "singing and harp-playing prostitute" in the Garden of Eden.

To make the SOWING OF DISCORD impossible, Jesus built a SYNAGOGUE which is a school of the Bible. Thereafter, anything which SOWS DISCORD and does not contribute to the EDIFICATION or EDUCATION of the Disciples or Students is to MARK those who are Anti-Biblical and therefore Anti-Christian because the Lucifer Principle is to claim the godhead (as did Zoe) and her countertypes in Babylon and in later Gnosticism.

Now the Holy Spirit is the Mind of Christ (1 Cor 2). Jesus, in turn said MY WORDS are SPIRIT and LIFE. As the Spirit OF Truth, the Word is the only resource for the SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE. In the meantime, the Spirit of Christ was careful to call the Old Testament effort at self-redemption NOISE or SOUND. It does not teach.

Rather than being the SAFE HARBOR for professional SOWING OF DISCORD, the SYNAGOGUE solves the diversity which existed in Rome among once MUSICL WORSHIPERS associated with EATING MEAT or NOT eating meat.

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink;
but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. Rom 14:17

For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Rom 14:18

Let us therefore follow after the things which make for PEACE, and things wherewith one may EDIFY ANOTHER. Rom 14:19

In the assembly or SYNAGOGUE Paul showed how DIVERSE backgrounds can ASSEMBLE as STUDENTS or DISCIPLES where they could NEVER agree on a RELIGIOUS RITUAL or PAGAN system.

Then try to see in Romans 15 that GOD IN CHRIST did not PLEASE Himself. That means to EXCITE THE SENSES. We are commanded to not PLEASE ourself in the sensuous way but please everyone with JUST WHAT EDIFIES and no more.

Paul said that the METHOD is to use ONE MIND and one MOUTH. The goal was to GLORIFY God and not the "Theatrical Performers" who have a bad name in the Bible and in ALL of history. The RESOURCE was to be "That which is written." That, of course meant "Psalms, Hymns and Spiritual songs" which are ALL the inspired Biblical text.

When you make the HARD WIRED CONNECT in children's minds between "the works of human hands" or "the idolatry of talent" and the SPIRIT worship of a Holy or WHOLLY Spirit God, you have done something SPIRITUALLY DESTRUCTIVE to them. If the authorities had SPIRITUAL INSIGHT they would lock you up.

If I let you DIVERT me from what the BIBLE says in contrast to what the PROFESSIONAL THEATER people say then we would not be able to be DISIPLES and SYNAGOGUE with God in the human SPIRIT. Here is one take which connects slightly with the PROPHECY that the Judas types would MOCK Jesus musicially even on the cross:

http://www.piney.com/HohenwaldSW.html

The Judas Bag is PICTURED and DEFINED in graphic detail in hundreds of PORTRAITS on ancient pottery. The Judas Bag was for "carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments." It was ALWAYS attached to a flute case and means "Speaking in tongues" and "of the world." Jesus SPOOKED Judas by the SOP which has the same meaning as MELODY. Judas was prophesied to try to TRIUMPH OVER Jesus in a musical sense.

http://www.piney.com/DSSPsa41.html

I am still working on the following one but if you want to read the message Jesus pointed to when He said,'My God why hast..." you need to DISCIPLE yourself to Psalm 22 and shame, shame, shame on shepherd who muddy the water and fail to help you be DISCIPLES because DISCIPLES are Christians and stirring up the flesh is NEVER done by Christians to disciples. Never.

Still working on this one.

Ken: if you didn't intend to let Jesus REMIT your sins at baptism SO THAT you could become HIS Disciple then you may want to think about your baptism.

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January 4th, 2004, 3:19 am #30

I am sorry but my PERVERTED mind and 100% of history connecting RELIGIOUS MUSIC to SEXUALITY will not resist saying:

I have forgotten how to make a "D" chord,
But THEY know how to TWANG the "G" string.

MELOS
I. a limb...within my BODILY FRAME, breaking down "limb by limb"

II. a song, strain, Hhymn... lyric poetry... to write in lyric strain
....lyric poetry, the CHORAL SONGS,
....opposed to the DIALOG

melôid-ia , hê, singing, chanting, CHORAL SONGS, LULLABY

IN THE GREEK WORLD THE MUSES WERE CONNECTED TO PAGAN, OBSCENE "WORSHIP" OF ZEUS, APOLLO (ABADDON, APOLLYON, etc. See Rev 18:22)

"The MUSES (musicians) or secondary GODDESSES were USED by Apollo at his SEEKER CENTER at Delphi. They were the daughters of ZEUS. These were the GODDESSES of the arts, drama, music, and the power behind them. The Muses were: Clio (history), Calliope (epic poetry), Erato (love poetry), Euterpe (lyric poetry), Melpomene (tragedy), Polyhymnia (song, rhetoric, and geometry), Thalia (comedy), Terpsichore (dancing), and Urania (astronomy and astrology). In fact the word "music" is derived from Muse, and means "art of the Muses". A more definitive way of putting it would be "art of the goddesses".

It is interesting to see that the "ART of the goddesses" is also being used today in a psychological manner; even in the church. This is seen especially in The Church Growth Movement. For instance, CGM forerunner Bill Hybels of Willow Creek Community Church [a church into using drama and music to reach people] says,

"A person's resistance to persuasion is very high when SPOKEN TO...

....but VERY LOW when exposed to drama and music.

NOTE FROM ABOVE, THIS WAS THE UNDERSTANDING OF ALL WHO TRIED TO SEDUCE YOU WITH "MUSIC"

....lyric poetry, the CHORAL SONGS,
....opposed to the DIALOG

THE INFILTRATE AND DIVERT CONFESS THAT:

....We communicate truth through the BACK DOOR. People don't even know it's happening." Daily Herald, May 18, 1988.

"We can explain this by saying that the ARTS of the Muses have a power to LOWER RESISTANCE in order to persuade a person's thinking, and subtly at that [which is disturbing].

...We can see the concepts of this same myth used by marketing psychology in radio and TV commercials. Commercials use music and drama to affect our minds in this manner.

In the Greek world, males who did this were PERVERTED or DRUNK. This is why they used GOWNS but loose enough that THOSE WITH EYES can understand that the Holy Whore of Revelation 18:22 is at the PEAK OF HER WEAK and the frantic--yea, hostile and violent--MUSES as resurrected LOCUSTS (musical performers) have to STING as many people as possible for Lucifer-Zoe.

See the PROMISE KEEPER'S authority for MAX LUCADO'S new vision and Rubel Shelly's NEW GLASSES for a NEW VISION for the CHURCH:

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/thr ... 1073050102

Ken Sublett
Men like Rubel Shelly and John York specificially and probably ALL of the "doctors of the Law" peddling false information claim that God just TOLD THE STORY of the people within THEIR culture. Since they have discovered the profound secret that CULTURE changes they are going to let GOD PARTNER with them to derive A STORY to fit OUR EXPERIENCES WITH GOD.

Now, Martin Luther's Sola Fide or Faith Only is a fact. But, Luther knowing that we are not ABLE to PARTNER with God meant that even the SIMPLIEST of us can read the WORD of God, have faith in the REVELATION and be baptized because FAITH must have an object. It doesn't take to much to read and teach the word "as it has been taught." However, if you PRESUME to be a doctor of the law and TAMPER with the WORD you MUST understand that God has laid a TRAP for you in every major doctrine. If you GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN God is going to DELUDE you or make a BUFFOON out of you.

That is why the MEAT of the Word is written so that the DOCTORERS of the Word cannot even hear what is said without perverting it. Therefore, rather than a STORY, the Bible is full of ongoing PROPHETIC TYPES. For instance, notice how Jesus LUMPS those who reject baptism with CHILDREN who PLAY meaning that they are given to DIONYSUS worshipers just like the Jewish Clergy to whom Jesus would not EXPLAIN the meaning of GOSPEL.

THE LEADING INDICATOR:
And all the people that HEARD him, and the PUBLICANS, JUSTIFIED God, being baptized with the baptism of John. Luke 7:29 [i.e. did not call God a LIAR]
.....BUT the PHARISEES and LAWYERS rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being NOT BAPTIZED of him. Luke 7:30

It has always been Christ and the PEOPLE in MORTAL COMBAT with the Pharisees (Law changers, consumers of Widow's Living)

The DOCTORS of the LAW will become PSEUDO-GREEK SCHOLARS but they will HIDE the true musical/perversion background from you: That is their ASSIGNMENT as AGENTS.
JESUS IDENTIFIES THE MEN AS PERVERTED MUSICAL PERFORMERS
And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the MEN of this generation? and to what are they like? Luke 7:31

They are like unto CHILDREN sitting in the MARKETPLACE (CDs, seminars, books as SCRIBES of the SECTARIAN HYPOCRITES), and calling one to another, and saying, We have PIPED unto you, and ye have not DANCED; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. Luke 7:32

For the SCHOLARS keeping you DUMB AND DUMBER, Jesus HIDES the truth from the false CLERGY and points the PEOPLE or those OF THE TRUTH to what ANY Greek Scholar knows but intends to HIDE from you. The MEN were like the CHORUS LEADERS or DAMSELS:

Paidion (g3813)pahee-dee'-on; neut. dimin. of 3816; a childling (of either sex), i.e. (prop.) an infant, or (by extens.) a half- grown boy or girl; fig. an IMMATURE CHRISTIAN: - (little, young) child, DAMSEL.

Pais (g3816) paheece; perh. from 3817; a boy (as often beaten with impunity), or (by anal.) a girl, and (gen.) a child; spec. a slave or servant (espec. a MINISTER to a KING; and by eminence to God): - child, maid (-en), (man) servant, son, young man.

Paio (g3817) pah'-yo; a prim. verb; to hit (as if by a single blow and less violently than 5180); spec. to STING (as a SCORPION): - smite, strike.

They USED the children as CHORUS LEADERS and often ABUSED THEM.

This is also the meaning of EXTERNAL MELODY.

Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon (of Seeker-Center fame) unleashes the LOCUSTS. In the SECRET MESSAGE John is delivering to you MINIMAL FOUNDATION is that the locusts were MOTHER GODDESS worshipers who had offended HER and been sent to the netherworld. Now, resurrected LOCUST are musical performers. However,

And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be TORMENTED five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. Re.9:5

THE DANCE they wanted to induce into JESUS was the:

Orcheomai (g3738) or-kheh'-om-ahee; mid. from orchos , (a row or ring); to dance (from the ranklike or regular motion): - dance

Greek with same meaning:

choreia 1 [choreuo]
I. a dance, esp. the CHORAL or round dance with its MUSIC, Eur., Ar.
II. a dance tune, Ar.

lur-oidia , hê, SONG to be sung to the LYRE

Bakchebakchon aisai sing the song (to BACCHUS) beginning with Bakche Bakche! [Which is like Lord, Lord in their "prophesying"]

> hallikos , e, on, of or for the phallos: to ph. (sc. melos) the phallic song, also a dance

> phallos 1 membrum virile, phallus, a figure borne in PROCESSION in the Bacchic orgies, as an emblem of the generative power in nature,

You can see lots of PHALLIC symbols in Nashville: there are FOUR which look like those worshipped by the ancient Jews.

> melos


I. a limb, Hom., etc.; meleôn entosthe within my bodily frame, Aesch.; kata melea LIMB by LIMB
II. a SONG, strain, Hhymn., etc.:--esp. of lyric poetry, en meleï poieein to write in lyric strain, Hdt.; melê, ta, lyric poetry,
.....THE CHORAL SONGS, OPPOSED to the DIALOG, Plat.


Paul commanded SPEAKING, TEACHING, ADMONISHING in order to TEACH. Paul's PREACHING was DIALOG because LECTURES do not intend to teach but to MANIPULATE MINDS.

The Choral dance regularly appears with:

paizo

Trag. only pres.: ( [pais] ):--prop., PLAY like a child, SPORT, têi de th' hama Numphai
...4. play on a MUSICAL INSTRUMENT, h.Ap.206: c. acc., Pan ho kalamophthonga (played on the REED) paizôn, dance and sing,

See Apollo who is the DRIVER of the NEW STYLE WORSHIP MUSIC from hell.

http://www.piney.com/ClasHomHymApollo.html

"O Lord, Lycia is yours and lovely Maeonia [180] and Miletus, charming city by the sea, but over wave-girt Delos you greatly reign your own self.
Leto's all-glorious son goes to rocky Pytho, playing upon his HOLLOW LYRE clad in divine, PERFUNED garments; and his LYRE, [185] at the touch of the golden key, sings sweet. Thence, swift as thought, he speeds from earth to OLYMPUS, to the house of ZEUS, to join the gathering of the other gods:
....then straightway the undying gods think ONLY of the LYRE and SONG, and all the MUSES together, voice sweetly ANSWER voice , [190]
.....HYMN THE UNENDING GIFTS THE GODS ENJOY AND THE SUFFERING OF MEN, ALL THAT THEY ENDURE AT THE HANDS OF THE DEATHLESS GODS , AND HOW THEY LIVE WITLESS AND HELPLESS AND CANNOT FIND HEALING FOR DEATH OR DEFENCE AGAINST OLD AGE.

NOTE: the Babylon "gods" created mankind to perform RELIGIOUS RITUALS because the "gods" grew tired. Perhap's God's WORD also just ran its course.

"Meanwhile the rich-tressed Graces and cheerful Seasons dance with [195] HARMONIA and Hebe and Aphrodite, daughter of Zeus, holding each other by the wrist.
...And AMONG them sings one, not mean nor puny, but tall to look upon and enviable in mien, ARTEMIS who delights in ARROWS (like Cupid's), sister of Apollo. [200] Among them SPORT Ares and the keen-eyed Slayer of Argus, while APOLLO plays his LYRE stepping high and featly and a RADIANCE shines around him, the gleaming of his feet and close-woven vest. And they, [205] even gold-tressed Leto and wise Zeus, rejoice in their great hearts as they watch their dear son playing among the undying gods.

NOTE: these are the characteristics of LUCIFE or ZOE trying to TRIUMPH OVER (musically) the True Jehovah as the True Logos.

"When your father invited the gods to a very well-ordered banquet at his own dear Sipylus, in return for the meals he had enjoyed, then it was that the god of the splendid trident seized you,

...his mind overcome with desire, and carried YOU away on his team of golden horses to the highest home of widely-honored Zeus,
.....to which at a later time Ganymede came also, to perform the SAME SERVICE for Zeus.

Zeus-Dionysus was the Abomination in the Jerusalem Temple. The end time will be IDENTICAL the SINGERS and MUSICIANS will claim to lead you to the HIGHEST HOME of God but it is JUST a sexual sexperience!

We told you the UNIVERSAL UNDERSTANDING of religious singers and musicians: "They were the HAREM OF THE GODS." If you RAISE YOUR HANDS in one of these rituals you are, as the Vineyard (aka New Wineskins insists) HAVING SEX with some "god." But the SPIRIT is AN unholy spirit. THERE IS NO KNOWN EXCEPTION.

....But when you disappeared, and people did not bring you back to your mother, for all their searching, right away some envious neighbor whispered that they cut you limb from limb with a knife into the water's rolling boil over the fire, and among the tables at the last course they divided and ate your flesh.

WHEN you DARE TO DANCE with the gods, they USE and ABUSE you and then BURN YOU.

Ganymede was Apollo's CATAMITE. You remember, Jesus also asked:

"But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in SOFT raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings courts. Lu.7:25

SOFT IS: Malakos (g3120) mal-ak-os'; of uncert. affin.; soft, i.e. fine (clothing); fig. a CATAMITE: - effeminate, soft.

Liddell and Scott malakos , e, on, soft:
....b. faint-hearted, COWARDLY
....c. MORALLY WEAK, lacking in SELF-CONTROL
....e. of MUSIC, soft, EFFEMINATE, m. HARMONIAI

IS THIS STILL THE AGE OF AQUARIUS?

"Upon hearing that Ganymede was to be CUP BEARER as well as Zeus' lover, the infinitely jealous Hera was outraged. Therefor Zeus set Ganymede's image among the STARS as the constellation AQUARIUS, the water carrier. Aquarius was originally the Egyptian god over the Nile. The Egyptian god poured water not wine from a flagon.

"All of Zeus' scandalous liaisons have ALLEGORICAL meanings. Zeus' torrid affair with Ganymede was a RELIGIOUS JUSTIFICATION for homosexuality within the Greek culture.

Before the popularity of the ZEUS and GANYMEDE myth spread,

...the only toleration for SODOMY was an EXTERNAL form of GODDESS WORSHIP. Cybele's male devotees tried to achieve unity with her by CASTRATING themselves and DRESSING like women.

"While Platonic love needed women for regeneration purposes (grow the attendance)
...the philosopher used this MYTH to justify his SEXUAL feelings towards his ALL MALE PUPILS.

Watch out for those NEW WARRIORS from PK on their PHALLIC JOURNEY. WHY would there be such a RUSH of 40,000 "clergy" to Atlanta to begin their PHALLIC JOURNEY? Why ELSE do "doctors of the law" CUNNINGLY HIDE and DENY the universal MARK of Music as the sign that Abaddon and his MUSIC have landed? Why do, in Paul's mind, LOVE TO BE FOOLED when the PERSONAE of PLAYING has always had a bad reputation? Is it to CALL OUT those under Lucifer, the singing and harp playing prostitute? The book of Revelation shows that those NOT DRIVEN OUT by the musical LOCUSTS (Muses under Apollyon) are PUNISHED by the "gods."

Remember, from above:

The Gods: "HYMN THE UNENDING GIFTS THE GODS ENJOY AND THE SUFFERING OF MEN, ALL THAT THEY ENDURE AT THE HANDS OF THE DEATHLESS GODS , AND HOW THEY LIVE WITLESS AND HELPLESS AND CANNOT FIND HEALING FOR DEATH OR DEFENCE AGAINST OLD AGE.

The OLD WIDOWS trusted their SHEPHERDS to be their SUPPORT SYSTEM and COMFORT in old age. But, he, he, he, haw, "we gonna INFILTRATE and DIVERT" them to ANOTHER STATION. But, our comfort? We gonna "teach, teach, teach" that the PLAYING CHILDREN are now in control.

The more PROGRAMS or MINISTRIES or even PYRAMIDAL ORGANIZATION CHARTS they have the MORE you must grasp that the end-time BABYLON WHORE (Rev. 18) has you IN THE GRIP OF HER GRUDGE.

MORE LATER on the MUSIC and certain mark of RELIGIOUS ADULTERY. It's in the BOOK and that is why probably ALL once Christian institutions have the DESPERATE TASK of TAKING AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE. FOOL STILL LOVE TO BE FOOLED: THAT IS WHY THE TERM "REMNANT" does not include the MEGA-CHURCHES. Sorry about that but THERE IS NO EXCEPTION in the Bible, paganism, the Classics or church history.

Remember the PROPHETIC TYPE that the then and now false CLERGY and "SCHOLARS" were not INTENDED to understand is:

REPUDIATING baptism calls God a Liar because the Pharisees and doctors of the Law defended and defend the MUSICAL PLAY of children which HAS NO OTHER meaning but that the clergy intends to INDUCT you into SEXUAL worship of the "gods" or ZOE, the Mother of the Gods.

DON'T FORGET: The "consealed end-time prophecy" to TRIP UP those MARKED is that APOLLYON or APOLLO and HIS MUSES and INSTRUMENTALISTS are CLEARLY PROPHESIED. Why would the worst TROUBLERS in Church history decide at JUST THIS TIME to organize EXACTLY as John Prophesied?

THAT WORRIES ME A BIT but perhaps you DIDN'T hear the TRUMPET.

Ken,
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