Oak Hills says: We are THE body.

Oak Hills says: We are THE body.

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September 1st, 2012, 2:27 am #1

John Michael Talbot to bring You "into God's presence during this exciting time.

We have noted that strong delusions lets people confess that WE ARE GOD and we STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE because they have the power to bring YOU musically there too.

1Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1Timothy 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.


Jesus DIED to earn the ONLY POWER to lead you "boldly into the Holy Place" where any musician would be executed.

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


Consistent with this, Christ in Isaiah and John in Revelation 18f said that the musicians and instrument players were SORCERERS and will be cast alive into the Lake of Fire.

John Michael Talbot (born May 8, 1954) is an American Roman Catholic singer-songwriter-guitarist who is founder of a monastic community

Warning: if you listen, this is a testosterone Free Zone. Fits the Musicator Persona from the Garden of Eden Onward

That doesn't slow Max Lucado as head of a MOTHER CHURCH to claim

"Body Worship" seems to be predestinated.
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September 1st, 2012, 4:36 pm #2

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Let's not forget: How many years has it been since the "Oak Hills Church" [formerly "of Christ"] removed His name from its ID?

And implemented "musical idolatry" (loving instrumental music in "worship") in the gathering of saints?

And became a "Community Church"? (This reminds me of church signs, e.g., "________ Community Church, 'a body of Christ[/color]'" ... changed from its previous religious affiliation.)

Here's to give you info of what's coming up -- this is not an advertisement or endorsement from us:

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Women of Joy is coming to San Antonio September 28-30! Join us as our very own Max Lucado heads the keynote.

Register [here] to receive a special Oak Hills Church discount of $89.00.

Here's the gathering of "We are the Body of Christ":



There he is (American Roman Catholic singer-songwriter-guitarist who is founder of a monastic community):


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September 1st, 2012, 5:02 pm #3

John Michael Talbot to bring You "into God's presence during this exciting time.

We have noted that strong delusions lets people confess that WE ARE GOD and we STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE because they have the power to bring YOU musically there too.

1Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1Timothy 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.


Jesus DIED to earn the ONLY POWER to lead you "boldly into the Holy Place" where any musician would be executed.

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


Consistent with this, Christ in Isaiah and John in Revelation 18f said that the musicians and instrument players were SORCERERS and will be cast alive into the Lake of Fire.

John Michael Talbot (born May 8, 1954) is an American Roman Catholic singer-songwriter-guitarist who is founder of a monastic community

Warning: if you listen, this is a testosterone Free Zone. Fits the Musicator Persona from the Garden of Eden Onward

That doesn't slow Max Lucado as head of a MOTHER CHURCH to claim

"Body Worship" seems to be predestinated.
Women of Joy: sounds like a neon sign in lots of post war Japanese cities. The Women of Joy were called the MUSES (adulteresses) and the GRACES where even males gave erotic joy. The MARKS are just too telling. The Monastic guys were the INVENTORS of very simple harmony after rich patrons imposed Pipe Organs in the Fair Town Cathedrals. They always wore robes: the Stola of David for instance.

In many places in the world the demons or spirits of dead ancestors lived inside of the musical instruments: History knows no exception to the rule that music DOES bring one into the presence of the "gods" or Devils. Jesus said that the Sons of the Devil "speak on their own."

"Music, like the word, also may have symbolic meaning. The basic elements out of which musical symbolism is built are sounds, tones, melodies, harmonies,
and the various musical instruments,
among which is the human voice.

Sound effects can have a numinous (spiritual) character and may be used to bring about contact with the realm of the holy.

A specific tone may call one to an awareness of the holy, make the holy present, and produce an experience of the holy.

This may be done by means of drums, gongs, bells, or other instruments. The ritual instruments can, through their shape or the materials from which they are made, have symbolic meaning. The Uitoto in Colombia, for example,

believe that all the souls of their ancestors are contained in the ritual drums. (See liturgical music BM members.)


Jay Guin posts with approval Patrick Mead's paper on the Cargo Cult. This is intended to sow discord and disparage churches whom they claim reject instruments and other errors based on TRADITION. Of course one has to intentionally reject the Bible and most recorded scholarship proving that even the least of us would not do performance or what Jesus called the Hypocrites (rhetoricians, singers and instrument players) when Jesus Christ the "Another Comforter" comes to be Paraclete when we "use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our learning." In fact, the TOTEM of Cain was his name derived from a Musical Note.

A TOTEM
In modern times, some single individuals, not otherwise involved in the practice of a tribal religion, have chosen to adopt a personal spirit animal helper, which has special meaning to them, and may refer to this as a totem. This non-traditional usage of the term is prevalent in the New Age movement and the mythopoetic men's movement.


The Totem of the so-called Progressives who recycle to Babylon and Jerusalem is the Musical Instrument and the PERFORMERS who absorb all of the "giving heed" and therefore claim to take the place of Jesus Christ as the sole mediator. It is inclusive with those who bear the same Totem but exclusive of those who follow the Word as a once for all delivered to the saints.

New Age:
It aims to create "a spirituality without borders or confining dogmas" that is inclusive and pluralistic. It holds to "a holistic worldview,"


Musical instruments were also totems of the Cargo Cult used by Patrick Mead and Jay Guin to attack people who use NOTHING as their TOTEM??

"For NONLITERATE peoples, music often serves purposes other than entertainment or aesthetic enjoyment. Certain wind instruments are closely associated with the supernatural, and their sounds connote powerful magic. Australian Aborigines, for instance, identify the sound of a bull-roarer with the voices of supernatural beings; for the Plains Indians, the same sound signifies an awesome natural phenomenon, such as thunder. Wind instruments are often among a group's most important ritual objects, and in some cultures they are specially venerated. The Kamairua Indians of the Amazon rain forest keep their giant flutes (three to four feet long), wherein SPIRITS are believed to DWELL, in a special shrine where they are worshiped. The flutes and drums of New Guinea are similarly housed and worshiped.

"Not only the shapes but also the sounds of primitive instruments are often rich in symbolism. The sound of the flute, for example, is widely associated with love magic. Among the tribes of the northeast and Great Plains of North America, young men played the flute to serenade young women;

in New Guinea, flutes and flute music are connected with rites of sexual initiation.

In some cultures, instrument symbolism is highly developed. For the Tucano Indians of Colombia, instrument sounds constitute a symbolic taxonomy comprising three levels: whistling, vibration, and percussion.

The whistling of a flute connotes sexual invitation, while vibration, represented by such instruments as the indigenous clarinet and the bull-roarer, symbolizes a warning or threat.

Percussive sounds produced by drums and various rattles symbolize the uniting of male and female. "wind instrument" Encyclopædia Britannica Online.


Afro-America

West Africans reconstructed their native drums in the New World, preponderantly as cult instruments. Small sets of two or, more often, three drums of graded sizes form an integral part of Afro-American rituals and, in the Caribbean, also of voodoo dances.

Only the skins of sacrificial animals may be used for membranes among Afro-Bahians in Brazil, who baptize their new drums, preferably with "holy" water obtained from a Roman Catholic church.

Drums in Haiti are sacred objects and may even represent the deity itself: as such they receive libations. One type of bongo drum--there exist at least four of these--has been adopted by Western rhythm bands, as has the conga.
"The handicraftsmen of sin, and the disciples of Satan, appeared, for he was their teacher, and he entered in and dwelt in them, and he poured into them the spirit (mental disposition-not himself) of the operation of error, through which the fall of the children of Seth was to take place. The Cave


http://www.piney.com/The.Cave.of.Treasu ... rypha.html

Self-Composers which spawned after the Civil War and people with filled Carpet Bags began to build or confiscate non-instrumental churches. Musicologists fully grasp that Voodoo birthed Jazz, Rock and Role and CCM. We anticipate a Giant Outburst of Demon-worship as the Babylon Mother of Harlots uses the Lusted After Fruits as slick Rhetoricians, singers and instrument players. John called them SORCERERS who will be Cast Alive into the Lake of Fire: consistent with the earliest literature, those who have fallen and cannot get up know that their time is short and seek to seduce others to give them COMFORT as they wait....

http://www.piney.com/RmHymns.html

The Levites as the PATTERN for a musical worship team defeating Jesus with musical mocking are called Soothsayers and not worship teams:

"The necromancer or soothsayer gained their power through magical incantations. The sound of brass, pipe or string imitated the music of the seven heavenly spheres. As a result, the gods were forced to give material and sensual blessings." Enuma Elish III.101; IV. 1-26, 91 and other Near Eastern Manuscripts.

I find it interesting that the WOMEN are working pretty hard with CENTERING PRAYER and getting the MALES to bond at Monasteries
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September 2nd, 2012, 3:30 am #4

Ken,

Since you are well versed in ancient literature and know quite a bit of scripture (an understatement), could you help me out on something very practical? This would be doing a good deed, and I would appreciate it.

Do you think that we can pray directly to Jesus as the disciples in Acts 1 seemed to do?

Do you think that Jesus is equal to God the Father or was he and the holy Spirit like an "emanation" from the Father?
I'm just noticing that only God the Father knows of the day of the return of the Son. And that Jesus placed himself under the authority of the father according to Philippians 2.


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September 2nd, 2012, 6:27 am #5

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]While we await Ken's reply, here are thoughts to consider:[/color]

<ol>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]John 1:1,14 may seem confusing at first, but not really. The Word (logos) was in the beginning with God, and the Word was God. The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. Other translations render "became flesh" or "became human." There is a colossal difference between: (a) "the Word was flesh" and (b) "the Word became flesh." While the Word was God in the beginning and became human, a reversal of such a transition or transformation would be incorrect and cannot be found in Scripture. The flesh cannot become (or be made) the Word. And the flesh cannot be in the beginning with God. So, it is necessary to make that distinction -- the humanity of Jesus. We do not worship or pray to another human as the Catholics pray to the priest, even to dead saints and to the Virgin Mary.[/color]

</li>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Philippians 2 is not contradictory: Jesus Christ, in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery [or something to be grasped] to be equal with God.[/color]

</li>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]In John 14-16, etc., we notice the relationship between the Father and His Son [wonder why such a relationship did not include God's holy Spirit?]. Their unity expressed in the passages is apparent. "I will pray the Father," Jesus said (John 14:16); "... because I go unto my Father" (14:12).[/color]

</li>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]We are to worship only "the Father" (John 4:24). We "worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him"; "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:23,24).[/color]

</li>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]During the devil's encounter with Jesus, the devil was told: "... for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve" (Matt. 4:10). Indeed, it was written: "I am the LORD thy God ... thou shalt have no other gods before me ... thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God" (Exodus 20).[/color]

</li>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]In John 14-16, Christ was "the truth" and dwelt WITH His disciples while He was WITH them (14:17) and promised that the Father "shall give you another Comforter" -- meaning that He was already their "Comforter" in the flesh (14:16). How could Jesus be the "physical Comforter" after His resurrection? You'll see. He also said that He who "dwelleth WITH you" now (14:17), the same "SHALL BE IN YOU" (14:17). Jesus did not fail when he promised: "I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU" (14:18). "I go away, and COME AGAIN UNTO YOU" (14;28).

What does John 14:6 say? "I am ... the truth." Remember that Jesus was also their Comforter in the flesh (14:16). NOW the resurrection!!! AFTER Jesus' resurrection: the "Spirit of truth" as promised ... the "another Comforter" as promised -- the resurrected Jesus Christ!!! He no longer DWELT WITH them physically. He now was DWELLING IN them.[/color]

</li>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]NEITHER do we worship the holy Spirit [power, breath, mind] OF GOD. [/color] </li>[/list]
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September 2nd, 2012, 3:53 pm #6

Ken,

Since you are well versed in ancient literature and know quite a bit of scripture (an understatement), could you help me out on something very practical? This would be doing a good deed, and I would appreciate it.

Do you think that we can pray directly to Jesus as the disciples in Acts 1 seemed to do?

Do you think that Jesus is equal to God the Father or was he and the holy Spirit like an "emanation" from the Father?
I'm just noticing that only God the Father knows of the day of the return of the Son. And that Jesus placed himself under the authority of the father according to Philippians 2.

Just a tip for "Scripture" to better understand CM. Never, ever, use the article "the" with Holy Spirit. That is rule #2 at CM. You may get the florescent orange image chart for this violation. Please do not respond to this post. I'm in enough trouble as it is.
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September 2nd, 2012, 6:30 pm #7

John Michael Talbot to bring You "into God's presence during this exciting time.

We have noted that strong delusions lets people confess that WE ARE GOD and we STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE because they have the power to bring YOU musically there too.

1Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1Timothy 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.


Jesus DIED to earn the ONLY POWER to lead you "boldly into the Holy Place" where any musician would be executed.

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


Consistent with this, Christ in Isaiah and John in Revelation 18f said that the musicians and instrument players were SORCERERS and will be cast alive into the Lake of Fire.

John Michael Talbot (born May 8, 1954) is an American Roman Catholic singer-songwriter-guitarist who is founder of a monastic community

Warning: if you listen, this is a testosterone Free Zone. Fits the Musicator Persona from the Garden of Eden Onward

That doesn't slow Max Lucado as head of a MOTHER CHURCH to claim

"Body Worship" seems to be predestinated.
Just a tip for "Scripture" to better understand CM. Never, ever, use the article "the" with Holy Spirit. That is rule #2 at CM. You may get the florescent orange image chart for this violation. Please do not respond to this post. I'm in enough trouble as it is.

Wrong; we ALWAYS use THE. Example: THE Holy Spirit OF Christ. We learned in grade six maybe that OF is a preposition. The Gift God means a Gift which comes from God. It does not mean GOD inside of your literal, carnal body body.

The Spirit OF anger does not mean that Anger is a person named ANGER. Spirit may mean the Spirit OF a Demon which was the Purpose Driving all charismatic musical worship. The goal was to have the DEMON literally take over your body: When someone promises to BRING YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD they don't tell you that god is derived from GAD who is the god of fortune or good luck. You might get lucky from a woman of joy.

Job 15:2 Should a wise man utter vain knowledge, and fill his belly with the east wind [h7307 SPIRIT]?

Sapio or Sophos in the Greek: A. skilled in any handicraft or art, clever,mantis Margites Fr.2; but in this sense mostly of poets and musicians, Pi.O.1.9, P.1.42, 3.113; en kithara s. E.IT1238 (lyr.)

Job 15:35 They conceive mischief [CHAFF], and bring forth vanity, and their belly prepareth deceit. [STUBBLE]

They LUST to be baptized with WIND and FIRE.

John identified ANTICHRIST as a person who denies the ONE FATHER in heaven and ONE SON

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
both Lord and Christ.

1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God,
and one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus;

If you just QUOTE the face the Grace Centered agents will bust your knee caps: they have a female mother I think. The pseudo-conservatives will give them aid and comfort.

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September 2nd, 2012, 7:12 pm #8

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]While we await Ken's reply, here are thoughts to consider:[/color]

<ol>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]John 1:1,14 may seem confusing at first, but not really. The Word (logos) was in the beginning with God, and the Word was God. The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. Other translations render "became flesh" or "became human." There is a colossal difference between: (a) "the Word was flesh" and (b) "the Word became flesh." While the Word was God in the beginning and became human, a reversal of such a transition or transformation would be incorrect and cannot be found in Scripture. The flesh cannot become (or be made) the Word. And the flesh cannot be in the beginning with God. So, it is necessary to make that distinction -- the humanity of Jesus. We do not worship or pray to another human as the Catholics pray to the priest, even to dead saints and to the Virgin Mary.[/color]

</li>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Philippians 2 is not contradictory: Jesus Christ, in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery [or something to be grasped] to be equal with God.[/color]

</li>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]In John 14-16, etc., we notice the relationship between the Father and His Son [wonder why such a relationship did not include God's holy Spirit?]. Their unity expressed in the passages is apparent. "I will pray the Father," Jesus said (John 14:16); "... because I go unto my Father" (14:12).[/color]

</li>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]We are to worship only "the Father" (John 4:24). We "worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him"; "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:23,24).[/color]

</li>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]During the devil's encounter with Jesus, the devil was told: "... for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve" (Matt. 4:10). Indeed, it was written: "I am the LORD thy God ... thou shalt have no other gods before me ... thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God" (Exodus 20).[/color]

</li>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]In John 14-16, Christ was "the truth" and dwelt WITH His disciples while He was WITH them (14:17) and promised that the Father "shall give you another Comforter" -- meaning that He was already their "Comforter" in the flesh (14:16). How could Jesus be the "physical Comforter" after His resurrection? You'll see. He also said that He who "dwelleth WITH you" now (14:17), the same "SHALL BE IN YOU" (14:17). Jesus did not fail when he promised: "I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU" (14:18). "I go away, and COME AGAIN UNTO YOU" (14;28).

What does John 14:6 say? "I am ... the truth." Remember that Jesus was also their Comforter in the flesh (14:16). NOW the resurrection!!! AFTER Jesus' resurrection: the "Spirit of truth" as promised ... the "another Comforter" as promised -- the resurrected Jesus Christ!!! He no longer DWELT WITH them physically. He now was DWELLING IN them.[/color]

</li>[*][color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]NEITHER do we worship the holy Spirit [power, breath, mind] OF GOD. [/color] </li>[/list]
DONNIE PART One

John 1:1,14 may seem confusing at first, but not really. The Word (logos) was in the beginning with God, and the Word was God. The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. Other translations render "became flesh" or "became human." There is a colossal difference between: (a) "the Word was flesh" and (b) "the Word became flesh." While the Word was God in the beginning and became human, a reversal of such a transition or transformation would be incorrect and cannot be found in Scripture. The flesh cannot become (or be made) the Word. And the flesh cannot be in the beginning with God. So, it is necessary to make that distinction -- the humanity of Jesus. We do not worship or pray to another human as the Catholics pray to the priest, even to dead saints and to the Virgin Mary.

In John 14-16, Christ was "the truth" and dwelt WITH His disciples while He was WITH them (14:17) and promised that the Father "shall give you another Comforter" -- meaning that He was already their "Comforter" in the flesh (14:16). How could Jesus be the "physical Comforter" after His resurrection? You'll see. He also said that He who "dwelleth WITH you" now (14:17), the same "SHALL BE IN YOU" (14:17). Jesus did not fail when he promised: "I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU" (14:18). "I go away, and COME AGAIN UNTO YOU" (14;28).

What does John 14:6 say? "I am ... the truth." Remember that Jesus was also their Comforter in the flesh (14:16). NOW the resurrection!!! AFTER Jesus' resurrection: the "Spirit of truth" as promised ... the "another Comforter" as promised -- the resurrected Jesus Christ!!! He no longer DWELT WITH them physically. He now was DWELLING IN them.


The WORD of God is that which God SPEAKS: As the Son (Word) Jesus never spoke on His own: the Father BREATHED (without METER or possibility of enhancing in song and sermon). The Lips (double edged sword) of Jeusus articulated that which NO MAN OR WOMAN (GCM) can comprehend. The Breath of Christ inspired the Prophets: the body MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ made the prophecies more certain. A FALSE TEACHER says Peter is anyone who further expounds.

Of the Another Comforter (Paraclete) the Same John said on a grade six level:

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin,
we have an advocate (Paraclete)with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Jesus RETURNED and manifested Himself as WIND and FIRE.

TEST LEST YOU FORGET: What is the NAME of the Holy Spirit?

1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

John said that the Lake of Fire is for LIARS and SORCERERS (preachers, singers, instrument players) John 18

GCM has fabricated their own Nicean Creed and turned Nicea into a lie.

No classical trinitarian denies this: we had to await H. Leo Boles and the Church of Christ EAST WING to think of THREE CENTERS OF CONSCIOUSNESS. Theophilus the first to use the word TRIAS

http://www.piney.com/HsTheopTrinity.html

Most excellent is His wisdom.

.....By His wisdom God founded the earth;
.....and by knowledge He prepared the heavens;
.....and by understanding were the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the clouds poured out their dews.

If thou perceivest these things, O man, living chastely, and holily, and righteously,
.....thou canst see God.

But before all let faith and the fear of God have rule in thy heart, and then shalt thou understand these things. When thou shalt have put off the mortal, and put on incorruption,
.....then shall thou see God worthily.

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September 2nd, 2012, 7:17 pm #9

Just a tip for "Scripture" to better understand CM. Never, ever, use the article "the" with Holy Spirit. That is rule #2 at CM. You may get the florescent orange image chart for this violation. Please do not respond to this post. I'm in enough trouble as it is.
Something tells me "Scripture" knows far more about the Scriptures than any of us put together, except maybe Ken.
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September 2nd, 2012, 7:41 pm #10

DONNIE PART One

John 1:1,14 may seem confusing at first, but not really. The Word (logos) was in the beginning with God, and the Word was God. The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. Other translations render "became flesh" or "became human." There is a colossal difference between: (a) "the Word was flesh" and (b) "the Word became flesh." While the Word was God in the beginning and became human, a reversal of such a transition or transformation would be incorrect and cannot be found in Scripture. The flesh cannot become (or be made) the Word. And the flesh cannot be in the beginning with God. So, it is necessary to make that distinction -- the humanity of Jesus. We do not worship or pray to another human as the Catholics pray to the priest, even to dead saints and to the Virgin Mary.

In John 14-16, Christ was "the truth" and dwelt WITH His disciples while He was WITH them (14:17) and promised that the Father "shall give you another Comforter" -- meaning that He was already their "Comforter" in the flesh (14:16). How could Jesus be the "physical Comforter" after His resurrection? You'll see. He also said that He who "dwelleth WITH you" now (14:17), the same "SHALL BE IN YOU" (14:17). Jesus did not fail when he promised: "I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU" (14:18). "I go away, and COME AGAIN UNTO YOU" (14;28).

What does John 14:6 say? "I am ... the truth." Remember that Jesus was also their Comforter in the flesh (14:16). NOW the resurrection!!! AFTER Jesus' resurrection: the "Spirit of truth" as promised ... the "another Comforter" as promised -- the resurrected Jesus Christ!!! He no longer DWELT WITH them physically. He now was DWELLING IN them.


The WORD of God is that which God SPEAKS: As the Son (Word) Jesus never spoke on His own: the Father BREATHED (without METER or possibility of enhancing in song and sermon). The Lips (double edged sword) of Jeusus articulated that which NO MAN OR WOMAN (GCM) can comprehend. The Breath of Christ inspired the Prophets: the body MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ made the prophecies more certain. A FALSE TEACHER says Peter is anyone who further expounds.

Of the Another Comforter (Paraclete) the Same John said on a grade six level:

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin,
we have an advocate (Paraclete)with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Jesus RETURNED and manifested Himself as WIND and FIRE.

TEST LEST YOU FORGET: What is the NAME of the Holy Spirit?

1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

John said that the Lake of Fire is for LIARS and SORCERERS (preachers, singers, instrument players) John 18

GCM has fabricated their own Nicean Creed and turned Nicea into a lie.

No classical trinitarian denies this: we had to await H. Leo Boles and the Church of Christ EAST WING to think of THREE CENTERS OF CONSCIOUSNESS. Theophilus the first to use the word TRIAS

http://www.piney.com/HsTheopTrinity.html

Most excellent is His wisdom.

.....By His wisdom God founded the earth;
.....and by knowledge He prepared the heavens;
.....and by understanding were the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the clouds poured out their dews.

If thou perceivest these things, O man, living chastely, and holily, and righteously,
.....thou canst see God.

But before all let faith and the fear of God have rule in thy heart, and then shalt thou understand these things. When thou shalt have put off the mortal, and put on incorruption,
.....then shall thou see God worthily.

Jesus did not fail when he promised: "I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU" (14:18). "I go away, and COME AGAIN UNTO YOU" (14;28).

I can assure you that no one has any book written by the Trinitarian Wing of the Neo-Church of Christ or sermon who CAN quote that verse. WHO will come to YOU: I will come to you. Who is I? I is Jesus Christ the Righteous who IS the Holy (wholly) Spirit Paraclete. When He APPEARED to and let Paul SEE Him He called Himself Jesus of Nazareth. He promised to guide Paul into all truth and would APPEAR to Him when required.

The Promise of the Holy Spirit which Jesus Received as His continuing king and high priest over His kingdom was a COMMISSION: We will all be "changed" but we have not been made "both Lord and Christ" to be the Incarnate Word.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise OF the Holy Ghost, HE hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. He Who poured out WIND and FIRE in the upper room is the same parakletos: different in some respects but not heteros.

33 t dexia oun tou theou hupstheis tn te epaggelian tou pneumatos tou hagiou labn para tou patros exekheen touto ho humeis kai blepete kai akouete.

G1860 epaggelia ep-ang-el-ee'-ah From G1861 ; an announcement (for information, assent or pledge; especially a divine assurance of good):message, promise.

G1861 epaggell ep-ang-el'-lo
From G1909 and the base of G32 ; to announce upon (reflexively), that is, (by implication) to engage to do something, to assert something respecting oneself:profess, (make) promise.

G32 aggelos ang'-el-os From aggell (probably derived from G71 ; compare G34 ; to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an angel; by implication a pastor:angel, messenger.

epaggellomai

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epagg-elia , h,
A. command, summons, Plb.9.38.2.[Example: For why was it, do you suppose, men of Sparta, that your ancestors, when Xerxes sent an ambassador to your town]
b. announcement, notice
3. offer, promise, profession, undertaking, D.21.14; tas huperbolas tn e. Arist.EN1164a29, cf.
2. as law-term, e. (sc. dokimasias) summons to attend a dokimasia tn rhtorn

Paul saw the Spirit Lord Who said "I am Jesus of Nazareth."

doki^m-a^sia
1. of magistrates after election, to see if they fulfil the legal requirements of legitimacy, full citizenship,
tn hieren Pl.Lg.759d;
3. d. (sc. ephbn), before admission to the rights of manhood, D.44.41, v. l. in 57.62.
4. d. tn rhtorn a judicial process to determine the right of a man to speak in the ekklsia
5. examination of recruits, PLond.3.982.6 (iv A. D.).
6. generally, test, d. hikann tinos labein make full trial of, Is.7.34 (but, receive assurance of . . , Plb.3.31.8); h kata ton khronon d. Arist.EN1162a14; krisin kai d. tinn poiein Plu.Cleom.10; lithos dokimasias LXXSi.6.21; d. oikodomn PSI3.176 (v A. D.).

Jesus of Nazareth as Holy Spirit ADDED those who were baptized to HIS Church. He is STILL the ONLY teacher when the ELDERS commissioned by Christ "teach that which is written." and "using one MIND and one MOUTH to teach that which is written for OUR LEARNING." That is how we know that were are OF THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH.

If the sermon you heard this morning was not using THE TEXT AS IT HAS BEEN TAUGHT and if the preacher prissed around talking about himself and HIS experiences and HIS thoughts then he DID NOT have A holy spirit or A good conscience, consciousness or a co-perception. In the words of Paul in 2 Cor 3 he STILL cannot read BLACK text on BROWN paper.

If the "team" was hitched to you to LEAD you into the presence of God then they ARE the Abomination of Desolation (commerce and phallic) standing in the holy place claiming to be God in Christ. That was a MARK that Jesus has been there and GONE as God in Amos had been there but would not pass by again: it's terminal because people are NOT of truth or faith and are OF the World for which Jesus will not even pray.

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