O. E. Payne Psallo Fallacy: Apollo, Apollon or Abaddon worship in YOUR Church i

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O. E. Payne Supplied the North American Christian Convent with the rational for insisting that the word PSALLO demands the use of mechanical instruments of music in worship:

http://www.piney.com/O.E.Payne.North.Am ... ntion.html

After the Christian Churches began secting out of the Disciples over their denominational structure they used the ORGAN as a wedge to try to add Churches of Christ in Tennessee by the ploy of "The Commission on Unity." They sent the books to targeted preachers with an insert for the book to be returned: I have one of the original "sent" books. That led to the Debates at the now Grand Old Opry house.

The original list of historic mentions of "psallo" was by:

George P. Slade in the 1878 American Christian Review attacked McGarvey's ground of New Testament silence by appealing to psallo. Having examined this approach for many years, McGarvey said in 1895 that anyone taking it "is one of those smatterers in Greek who can believe anything that he wishes to believe. When the wish is father to the thought correct exegesis is like water on a duck's back." Such strictures did not keep Briney from resorting to the argument again a decade later.(18)


This is the first example of anyone thinking that PSALLO meant to Play on a Harp: psallo just means to pluck something with your fingers but NEVER with a plectrum or guitar pick. The base idea is to pluck on a bow string to make it twang to send forth a singing arrow into enemies. If you pluck a string psallo still just means "pluck" and even if you pluck a harp that sound does not make melody unless you define the mode or melody.




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January 3rd, 2017, 1:00 am #2

nstrumental Music is Scriptural (and commanded)
By O. E. Payne, The Standard Publishing Company, 1921

This book was sent to a select group of preachers thought to be "translatable" by the Commission On Unity

Sending out copies with "return to sender" (in this writer's collection) pasted in front "That you may have the advantage of these facts and use them in the interest of truth and unity to 'the breaking down of the middlewall of partition" and for the restoring of fellowship between those that use and those that do not use instruments in the church, this book is sent out, which after reading please return to The commission On Unity, Nashville Tenneessee.



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Dr. Bill posted a short version of this debate.

Recently I received the following communication:

WEST NASHVILLE, TENN., May 1, 1922.

Dear Sir and Brother:

We sent you last year a copy of O. E. Payne's book on the church music question for your consideration and to be returned after reading. We have not yet received the copy sent you, so we are writing to [7] request the return of the same. Fraternally,

THE COMMISSION ON UNITY.


Hardiman, I believe, proving that there was no connection between Churches of Christ and the Disciple-Christian churches. This "unity" effort was made before the Christian Churches sected out of the Disciples and formed the NACC in 1927.

:I wonder who appointed this Commission on Unity or who has any right to make suggestions as to how unity can be brought about or maintained. If this commission has been appointed by any one or by any church, I would like to know who or which, because that individual or church should know what this commission is doing to promote unity. But if it is a self-appointed commission, as I believe it is, I have as much right to offer suggestions as any one. If this commission is calling in O. E. Payne's book on the church-music question in order to destroy it, it is working on the right line, and I want to commend them; but if it is calling in these books in order to give them to others and thus continue their circulation, I suggest a change of name for the commission. It should be called "The Commission on Division" instead of "The Commission on Unity." I doubt whether one church in fifty in this country uses the instrument in their worship. If this book is circulated and read and changes no one, it could not assist in bringing about unity, because we already have unity on that question in most of the churches in these parts; but if it changes some one and makes him believe that he ought to have the instrument in worship, cannot this commission see that this would bring about division. The instrument would be forced into the worship by these new converts made by Payne's book, which would drive out those it did not convert, and thus we would have division instead of unity as a result of this work. Surely this commission could not hope to change every one on this question with this book and thus get every one wrong; but if it did not change all, but changed any, it would cause division instead of unity. [8]

Why is it necessary to have a commission in order to circulate O. E. Payne's book on the church-music question? Is it possible that those who are doing this work are ashamed to come out in the open and do it as individuals, or are they trying to make the impression that some church or association of men and women are behind them in their divisive work? We know it is not necessary in this city to have the instrument in order to have unity on the music question, for it was demonstrated in the recent meeting at the Ryman Auditorium that even those brethren who use the instrument can unite with those that do not and sing without the instrument, for they did it in that meeting. The only way to have unity on this question is to stop circulating such literature as O. E. Payne's book and cease to encourage such a commission as the one that has sprung up in West Nashville.

I cannot comply with the request herein made to return the copy of the book claimed to have been sent to me, as I have no recollection of having seen it, and no member of my family remembers anything about it; but I will agree to send a copy of M. C. Kurfees' reply to O. E. Payne's book, if the commission will agree to use it as an antidote to the Payne poison. If this commission is true to its name and is really a commission on unity, it will accept this proposition and will circulate this reply to Payne's book by Brother Kurfees as extensively as it circulates the Payne book; but if this commission is not true to its name, then the church where the individuals composing the commission hold membership should promptly withdraw from them, in harmony with the plain command of the apostle where he says: "Mark them that are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which ye [9] learned: and turn away from them." (Rom. 16:17.)


While the foregoing says nothing about a debate, it was really the foundation for further correspondence, out of which grew the Nashville debate on the church-music question.

Earl E. Robertson: Payne is saying the divine command to "sing and make melody in your heart" cannot be done without mechanical instruments; that the verb "make melody" includes such an instrument as the organ. Having already shown that the object of the verb is not named within the verb (psallo, make melody) itself, but is specifically named in addition to it,

The ONLY weapon at the time was that PSALLO meant to pluck a harp. We have shown that psallo just supplies the PLUCK. When Alexander the Great (used as proof) skillfully plucked on his harp so as to embarrass his father, he was trying to seduce a younger male whose "hairs" had been plucked to make him look feminine. Psallo means to pluck with the fingers and never with a guitar pick. That does not embarass Payne and others who say that psallo COMMANDS them to BLOW the reeds of an organ.

we are, therefore, forced to reject Payne's assertion. If the object of the verb is at times "to pluck the hair," or "twang the bowstring," or "vibrate the carpenter's line," or the human "heart" (Eph. 5:19), how is it possible for the verb to specify (inhere) only an instrument such as the organ?


Because Payne and his latter day Pains use BAPTIZO to prove that the harp inheres in the word PLUCK

What proves too much proves nothing! The object of the verb psallo is no more inherent in it than the object of the verb inheres in baptizo. The element is not specified in the word baptizo. Additional passages tell one that baptism is in water. When Jesus gave the great commission promising salvation to the one that believes and is baptized (Mark 16:15, 16), He did not use a word (baptizo) that has the element or object built within it. Additional statements do, however, tell us it is water (Acts 8:36-39). Likewise it is true that the object of make melody is specified in addition to it-the heart (Eph. 5:19). Since the heart is named it will not permit another instrument!

EN or In the heart and not WITH the heart or harp which does not connect to psallo.



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January 6th, 2017, 6:08 pm #3

Psalm 150: worshipping with your ORGAN.
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Informed people do not grasp a POEM by David the WARRIOR and make it into a legalistic COMMAND for Christian Worship. Doing so disqualifies anyone from an intelligent dialog: you need to demand a REFUND. Jesus founded an ekklesia or synagogue or school of the Bible which CONTINUES the practice for the CIVILIAN population throughout the Old Testament. Unless you were from the tribe of Levi and part of the "FEDERAL GOVERNMENT" which had its own SACRIFICIAL SYSTEM just like ALL PAGAN nations, you were NEVER part of the "worship." Tribal representatives or "stationary men" attended some animal sacrifices but NOT inside the court where animals were slaughtered and burned while the LOUD NOISE served the PRIESTS. Because this was a LIKE THE NATION'S WORSHIP, the music served as EXORCISM: expelling the bad demons and attracting the good demons into their temple.

But, let me inform you: the Levitical warrior NOISE MAKERS could never enter into the holy precincts of the temple--even to clean out garbage--without getting run through by the other Warrior Levites. There is NO example of anyone doing WORSHIP in a HOUSE built by human hands doing the WORKS of human hands: clapping, waving, playing instruments. NONE. So, just Eat, Drink and Make Mary for tomorrow you die according to the Bible and all contemporaneous literture.

No! Not in Jezebel's Musical Worship, not in the MOST VILE pagan temple could singers and instrumentalists ENTER into the "houses" or holy precincts. There are different words for the COURTS and the Holy Precincts. Slaughtering animals and burning animals which was SIGNALLED by the loud NOISE was outside in the PARKING LOTS so don't hallucinate "congregational singing with instrumental accompaniment." What? Your preacher said WHAT? Well, there simply is nothing in the curriculum of even a PhDuh which would give anyone a CLUE.

They were grouped OUTSIDE in the court yards along with the Jesters, Prostitutes, Acrobats and Sodomites--all part of the end-time Babylon Prostitute of Revelation 18. When you see the "musicators" actually CLAIMING to stand in the holy precincts to LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD they are rubbing your PRIVATE PARTS and are WELL BEYOND REDEMPTION. In Revelation 18, it is a MARK that God has BLOWN OUT THE LAMPS of the seven spirits of Divine Knowledge.

We have discussed Psalm 150 which incites lust for "musical worship" by repudiating the cross in many threads. However, it flew past some so I will post here somewhat away from the flinging end of the manure spreader.

All instrumental Psalms are PARADE or PROCESSIONAL or Warrior's Boast or Panic chants. We have an example when by having the Ark of the Covenant Saul failed to MUSICAL INTIMIDATE the Philistines. People use bagpipes and drums or other instruments to DRIVE the warriors into the jaws of death when in their RATIONAL MIND they would not commit suicide. Ask a Korean vet who has been attacked with bugles. Musicators in the church VIOLATE direct commands and are using PSYCHOLOGICAL force to get SELF GLORY and pick the pockets of honest working people

They repudiate "legalism" but lie, cheat and steal USING the Law of TITHING or the Law of Giving by telling people that they have some spiritual superiority: that is THE meaning of a PHARISEE while all PERFORMERS belong to the SECTARIAN Hypocrites which Jesus lumped with ALL of the sectarians who REMAINED ON THE DOLE when there were no SACRIFICES to be made.

"Some of the psalms express a tribalistic hatred of foreign powers; even the beautiful laments of the exiles 'by the waters of Babylon,' for example, concludes with the assurance that the daughter of Babylon will be destroyed. 'Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth the little ones against the stones.'

"But in nearly a third of the collection the 'enemies' whose death the psalmist so confidently prays for and anticipates are not Gentile nations,

but individual Jews who do not share the religious conviction of the Hasidim (Pharisees). In the words of Psalm 58, 'the righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. So that a man shall say, Verily there is reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth." (Parkes, Henry Bamford, Gods and Men The Origins of Western Culture, p. 134, Knopf)

What the whine-piney hearts don't know because none of the professionals know is that the "because of transgression" at Mount Sinai was the MUSICAL IDOLATRY of the common pagan TRINITY of three persons or PEOPLE. Because of that sin BEYOND REDEMPTION for the multitudes who were NOT true Israelites God turned the nation over to worship the STARRY HOSTS. When the elders demanded a Pulpit Minister or dominant pastor or king like the nations God knew that they wanted to WORSHIP like the nations or the Goyim which originated out of Voodoo Africa and became Canaanite and Babylonian Baalism.

God gave the kings "In My anger and took them away in My anger" because once they FIRED God they set in motion the captivity and death sentence imposed BECAUSE OF musical idolatry which repudiated the Covenant of Grace made to Abraham. Paul LEAPFROGS the whole Law mess and connects Baptism to the realization of that PROMISE (Gal 3). That promsie of REST means "stop the singing, stop the music, stop the merchandising the Free Word." That is identical to the synagogue or church in the wilderness: ok to CALL the assembly by BLOWING like a church bell. However, you do not MAKE A JOYFUL NOISE or blow trumpets which also means CLAP HANDS. Why do you need a PhDuh to know that you don't DO that when the Civil Defense calls you together to get ready for a STORM.

After the wars had been won David had a surplus Military Industrial Complex on his hand. Like all victories, you have to MAKE WORK for the warriors or they will turn on you.

1Chr.25:1 David [king, not priest), together with the commanders of the army, set apart some of the sons of Asaph, Heman and Jeduthun for the ministry of prophesying, accompanied by harps, lyres and cymbals. Here is the list of the men who performed this service:

This SERVICE means "Hard bondage." The Musical Warrior Levites drove even Israelites into slavery to build the UNWANTED Temple while Solomon sold some of their WHOLE CITIES to Hiram. God's plan for a NATIONAL TEMPLE was from Hiram who had built his own National Temple. Tyre was given the SPIRIT of Lucifer who is called the "singing and harp playing prostitute." We have actual records of how the use the PROSTITUTE MUSICIANS to sell Cedar and then kill the buyer and take back their cedar. The BOUGHT the "souls" of Israelites just like they bought and sold purple cloth.

When you see DAVID'S Warrior Musicians they are always representing the MILITARY-CIVIL or government. At the same time the TRUMPETS under the Priests offered animal sacrifices NOT as worship but normally to EXORCISE temples or "purify" the king and the Civil-Religious Complex.

Running parallel to the NATIONAL or GENTILE rituals to give glory to the KING who claimed to be God's AGENTS (as in pulpits and choir "dresses.") was the SYNAGOGUE. That was described in Numbers 10 as the Qahal, ekklesia or "church in the wilderness." The PEOPLE were never called into assembly except for instructions in the Law. Their holy convocation on some First days and ALL sabbath (Rest) days was to READ or REHEARSE the written Word or that which the tribal elders had learned from meetings of REPRESENTATIVES.

Those meetings were called by a trumpet sound but the Alarm or Triumph over was outlawed. This is defined as "playing instruments and making a joyful noise before the Lord." This was NOT worship but the warrior's PANIC SOUND called NOISE. All literate people and ALL the musical terms and names of instruments know that as creating PANIC like "bungee jumping" so that you FEEL GOOD from a DRUG HIGH. Therefore, you are OUTLAWED from doing that AGAINST God or when people meet as SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE. The "common" Jews NEVER participated. Rather, the loud NOISE was a SIGNAL for those not part of the Military Religionists to be OUTSIDE the gates and ON their face. The singers and instrumentalists are NEVER said to worship and only those absolutely subdued and silent are said to worship.

Years after I stumbled onto the fact that the CHURCH or EKKLESIA was in the wilderness and instruments and loud rejoicing ABSOLUTELY OUTLAWED I came across a wonderful description by John Calvin. People didn't NOT use instruments because of some hallucinated reason: any school kid knew that you don't SHOUT and PLAY in God's face and that is why they never SANG in a musical sense, never used instruments or never used NON-INSPIRED TEXTS until 1815 in a liberal Jewish synagogue from whence the first SECTARIAN in the Restoraton Movement got his views REPUDIATING inspiration and FORCING IN a littel reed organ.

While churches have been instrumental in creating generations of LOST BOYS and the Emerging Church movement preaching WITCHCRAFT has decided that the youth cannot grasp words anymore so they GONNA teach them how to VISION (the effeminate side), sing, clap, whirl, do light flashes, stand on their feet and do other MIND ALTERING until they fall into MADNESS Paul outlawed in Corinth. So, they DRIVE people deeper into the ANXIETY Jesus died to REMOVE along with the professional ANXIETY CREATERS which for every "10,000 witches there is One

"Donald Nugent...notes that the occult revival during the Renaissance and the present occult expansion have many factors in common. There is in both a degree of primitivism and psychic atavism, with an underlying substratum of despair. Both are eras where power is sought by the disenfranchised, especially women--Nugent comments that in the Renaissance one finds only one warlock for every 10,000 witches--and both have seen a growth of sexual license and pornographic literature." ( Montgomery, John Warwick (Editor), Demon Possession, Bethany House Publishers, p. 85).

"It is no accident that a high proportion of those who suddenly show symptoms of being bewitched (such as fainting or going into a semi-trance) at 'squaw dances' or other large gatherings are women or men who are somewhat neglected or who occupy low social status." (Goldschmidt, Walter, Exploring the Ways of Mankind, p. 518, Holt, Rinehart and Winston)

In the mega-churches which are quite identical to the KING'S Temple State which was patterned after the Towers of Babylon as CONTROL CENTER, if you suddenly finding yourself BUBBLING UP you should know that the spirit is NOT holy.

I will continue with material I have already posted on Psalm 150 which you can use ONLY if you are a WORSHIP WARRIOR polluting yourself in stealing the church houses of weeping widow.


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January 19th, 2017, 2:59 am #4

O. E. Payne Supplied the North American Christian Convent with the rational for insisting that the word PSALLO demands the use of mechanical instruments of music in worship:

http://www.piney.com/O.E.Payne.North.Am ... ntion.html

After the Christian Churches began secting out of the Disciples over their denominational structure they used the ORGAN as a wedge to try to add Churches of Christ in Tennessee by the ploy of "The Commission on Unity." They sent the books to targeted preachers with an insert for the book to be returned: I have one of the original "sent" books. That led to the Debates at the now Grand Old Opry house.

The original list of historic mentions of "psallo" was by:

George P. Slade in the 1878 American Christian Review attacked McGarvey's ground of New Testament silence by appealing to psallo. Having examined this approach for many years, McGarvey said in 1895 that anyone taking it "is one of those smatterers in Greek who can believe anything that he wishes to believe. When the wish is father to the thought correct exegesis is like water on a duck's back." Such strictures did not keep Briney from resorting to the argument again a decade later.(18)


This is the first example of anyone thinking that PSALLO meant to Play on a Harp: psallo just means to pluck something with your fingers but NEVER with a plectrum or guitar pick. The base idea is to pluck on a bow string to make it twang to send forth a singing arrow into enemies. If you pluck a string psallo still just means "pluck" and even if you pluck a harp that sound does not make melody unless you define the mode or melody.




The Progressives use the Levites as their pattern for making instrumental noises.
Jacob cursed the tribe of Levi and God later abandoned them to worship the starry host. Because Levi points to Leviathan they were also devoted to SERPENT worship.

Jacob warned everyone NOT to enter into the covenant made with Levi nor to attend their assemblies or Synagogues (Genesis 49).

Later and continuing by those who promote Messiah as the Jewish Messiah and the New Covenant really the Old Covenant, they are the synagogue or the Church of the Serpent or Beast. The musical instruments are not their choice but the MARK of being beaten into Hell.

Rev. 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev. 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


The Levites were also an old Egyptian priesthood of Moloch where they burned infants which continued in the wilderness and in Jerusalem. In Isaiah 30 The Spirit OF CHRIST shows that their musical processions to Jerusalem would be their punishment when God used wind, string and percussion instruments to drive them into hell.



<font face="arial" size="4">You will notice that the prophesied worship teams led by Apollon often have large voodoo like drums. That is not the SIN but the mark that they have rejected and lied about the Word and God has sent them strong delusions. In Revelation 18 the instrumentalists and all craftsmen are called SORCERERS who HAD once deceived the whole world. Therefore, Jesus visits to remove the Lamps or "seven spirits of Knowledge" and consigns them, like the picture above and prophesied, to be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Faiths of Man notes what we have posted to connect Levi to Leviathan and serpent worship. The serpent in the garden of Eden was also a Musical Enchanter(ess).



<font face="arial" size="4">Josephus calls the Levites "Brahmans" devoted to fire and serpent worship.



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January 22nd, 2017, 1:43 am #5

O. E. Payne Supplied the North American Christian Convent with the rational for insisting that the word PSALLO demands the use of mechanical instruments of music in worship:

http://www.piney.com/O.E.Payne.North.Am ... ntion.html

After the Christian Churches began secting out of the Disciples over their denominational structure they used the ORGAN as a wedge to try to add Churches of Christ in Tennessee by the ploy of "The Commission on Unity." They sent the books to targeted preachers with an insert for the book to be returned: I have one of the original "sent" books. That led to the Debates at the now Grand Old Opry house.

The original list of historic mentions of "psallo" was by:

George P. Slade in the 1878 American Christian Review attacked McGarvey's ground of New Testament silence by appealing to psallo. Having examined this approach for many years, McGarvey said in 1895 that anyone taking it "is one of those smatterers in Greek who can believe anything that he wishes to believe. When the wish is father to the thought correct exegesis is like water on a duck's back." Such strictures did not keep Briney from resorting to the argument again a decade later.(18)


This is the first example of anyone thinking that PSALLO meant to Play on a Harp: psallo just means to pluck something with your fingers but NEVER with a plectrum or guitar pick. The base idea is to pluck on a bow string to make it twang to send forth a singing arrow into enemies. If you pluck a string psallo still just means "pluck" and even if you pluck a harp that sound does not make melody unless you define the mode or melody.




Strab. 10.3.10

And on this account Plato, and even before his time the Pythagoreians [The Kosmos or World in Rome Rom 14], called philosophy music; and they say that the universe is constituted in accordance with harmony,
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assuming that every form of music is the work of the gods.
.....And in this sense, also, the Muses are goddesses,
.....and Apollo is leader of the Muses,
.....and poetry as a whole is laudatory of the gods.


"Yet, through all there was an overarching harmony. The Greek word cosmos which we translate by universe originally meant beauty and harmony. The Pythagoreans discovered mathematical formulae for the musical harmonies. They believed in the harmony of the sounds produced by the movement of the stars. Therefore, they spoke of cosmic harmony of the spheres, each of which has a different sound, but all together creating a harmonious sound. If you delete the half-poetic, mythological elements from such ideas, then you can say that they had a universal, ecstatic interpretation of reality." (Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, Touchstone, p. 333).

C. Leonard Allen of LU says that God is ECSTATIC.

And of the Kairos plant called ETHOS in Nashville which they think is ETHICAL in contrast to the historic Churches of Christ:

And by the same course of reasoning
.....they also attribute to music the upbuilding of morals,
.....believing that everything which tends to correct the mind is close to the gods.
Now most of the Greeks assigned to Dionysus, Apollo, Hecate, the Muses, and above all to Demeter,
.....everything of an orgiastic [WITH WRATH] or Bacchic or choral nature,
.....as well as the mystic element in initiations;
..... and they give the name "Iacchus"

This was the initiation into the always gay priesthood: they piped hoping that Jesus would lament (sing) and dance the result of sodomy. The Jews expected Dionysus (from Egypt onward) to be their promised Messiah. He would endorse the activities in the temple which had driven the godly Jews out of Jerusalem.

not only to Dionysus but also to the leader-in-chief of the mysteries, who is the genius of Demeter. And branch-bearing, [Jesus repudiated the Luvav] choral dancing, and initiations are common elements in the worship of these gods.

As for the Muses and Apollo,
.....the Muses preside over the choruses,
.....whereas Apollo presides both over these and the rites of divination.
But all educated men, and especially the musicians,
.....are ministers of the Muses; [prostitutes]
.....and both these and those who have to do with divination [sorcery] are ministers of Apollo;
and the initiated and torch-bearers and hierophants, of Demeter; and the Sileni and Satyri and Bacchae, and also the Lenae and Thyiae and Mimallones and Naïdes and Nymphae and the beings called Tityri, of Dionysus. [New Wineskinner's god]

Strab. 10.3.11

In Crete, not only these rites, but in particular those sacred to Zeus, were performed along with orgiastic [WITH WRATH] worship and with the kind of ministers who were in the service of Dionysus, I mean the Satyri. These ministers they called "Curetes," young men who executed movements in armour, accompanied by dancing, as they set forth the mythical story of the birth of Zeus; in this they introduced Cronus as accustomed to swallow his children immediately after their birth, and Rhea as trying to keep her travail secret and, when the child was born, to get it out of the way and save its life by every means in her power; and to accomplish this it is said that she took as helpers the Curetes,

who, by

.....surrounding the goddess with tambourines
.....and similar noisy instruments
.....and with war-dance and uproar, were supposed to strike terror into Cronus
.....and without his knowledge to steal his child away;


Then and now the musical mockers performing their role of "making THE Lamb dumb before the slaughter" were defeated three days later and their Kingdom and their House WAS taken away from them and up to a million of them who were not eaten turned up on Hell or the BURN PILE

and that, according to tradition, Zeus was actually reared by them with the same diligence; consequently the Curetes, either because, being young, that is "youths," they performed this service, or because they "reared" Zeus "in his youth" (for both explanations are given), were accorded this appellation, as if they were Satyrs [cappellas], so to speak, in the service of Zeus [Father of KAIROS]. Such, then, were the Greeks in the matter of orgiastic worship.


Forget it: you cannot appease God or intimidate God or Silence His Son with your hostile attacks: However, these are the marks that Jesus has been there to pick up His Lampstand and will not pass by there again forever more.

The BEAST or Therion in Revelation are "A new style of music by the Music and Satyric Drama."

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January 31st, 2017, 3:21 am #6

O. E. Payne Supplied the North American Christian Convent with the rational for insisting that the word PSALLO demands the use of mechanical instruments of music in worship:

http://www.piney.com/O.E.Payne.North.Am ... ntion.html

After the Christian Churches began secting out of the Disciples over their denominational structure they used the ORGAN as a wedge to try to add Churches of Christ in Tennessee by the ploy of "The Commission on Unity." They sent the books to targeted preachers with an insert for the book to be returned: I have one of the original "sent" books. That led to the Debates at the now Grand Old Opry house.

The original list of historic mentions of "psallo" was by:

George P. Slade in the 1878 American Christian Review attacked McGarvey's ground of New Testament silence by appealing to psallo. Having examined this approach for many years, McGarvey said in 1895 that anyone taking it "is one of those smatterers in Greek who can believe anything that he wishes to believe. When the wish is father to the thought correct exegesis is like water on a duck's back." Such strictures did not keep Briney from resorting to the argument again a decade later.(18)


This is the first example of anyone thinking that PSALLO meant to Play on a Harp: psallo just means to pluck something with your fingers but NEVER with a plectrum or guitar pick. The base idea is to pluck on a bow string to make it twang to send forth a singing arrow into enemies. If you pluck a string psallo still just means "pluck" and even if you pluck a harp that sound does not make melody unless you define the mode or melody.




O. E. Payne was the first to collect many Greek text where PSALLO is used. This, he and all of the Instrumental Sectarians is the most powerful authority to attach the historic Church of Christ which knew that vocal or instrumental noises were always outlawed because they upset the REST Jesus gave us an are Purpose Driven to force you to listen to the Plantation Owner as serfs.

However, in no example does PSALLO mean to 1. Play and 2. a harp. Psallo as an Apollon bow plucking word means EXCLUSIVELY "To pluck or smite a string with your fingers but never with a pleckton or Pick." I OUTLAWS a musical melody and it outlaws a wind or percussion instrument.

Here is one of Payne and ALL of the musical sectarians implication:

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Dave

February 1st, 2017, 10:00 pm #7

Is it Payneful to pluck the strings?
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Dave
Dave

February 2nd, 2017, 2:12 am #8

O. E. Payne was the first to collect many Greek text where PSALLO is used. This, he and all of the Instrumental Sectarians is the most powerful authority to attach the historic Church of Christ which knew that vocal or instrumental noises were always outlawed because they upset the REST Jesus gave us an are Purpose Driven to force you to listen to the Plantation Owner as serfs.

However, in no example does PSALLO mean to 1. Play and 2. a harp. Psallo as an Apollon bow plucking word means EXCLUSIVELY "To pluck or smite a string with your fingers but never with a pleckton or Pick." I OUTLAWS a musical melody and it outlaws a wind or percussion instrument.

Here is one of Payne and ALL of the musical sectarians implication:

Just before the funeral services, the undertaker came up to the very elderly widow and asked,
How old was your husband?' '98,' she replied.
'Two years older than me.'
'So you're 96,' the undertaker commented.
She responded, 'Hardly worth going home, is it?'
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Sarge
Sarge

February 5th, 2017, 7:56 pm #9


Ken, I sang in Church this morning. I was real particular what I sang about. I feel good about it. Thanks to Donnie and Script for the tip.
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Joined: July 29th, 2010, 2:32 pm

February 5th, 2017, 8:28 pm #10

It's fine and even mandatory to sing in CHURCH or Kirke or Circe.
What I am speaking about is singing in the EKKLESIA or Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness:

h8643. truw{ah, ter-oo-aw´; from 7321; clamor, i.e. acclamation of joy or a battle-cry; especially clangor of trumpets, as an alarum:—alarm, blow(- ing) (of, the) (trumpets), joy, jubile, loud noise, rejoicing, shout(-ing), (high, joyful) sound(-ing).

h7321 Ruwa


<font face="arial" size="4">In Psalm 41 this was RESERVED to identify Judas to whom Jesus gave the PSALLO mark having the same root meaning as SOP.



<font face="arial" size="4">Once you have been "turned over" it is no longer a problem that you PROFANE the REST day. You didn't even obey the direct command to elders to TEACH THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT. Not to worry about that because the meaning of religious music is to "Make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." It certainly works.
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