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May 5th, 2014, 5:50 pm #11

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Writing on myths, Joseph Campbell observes from real history that when people lose their faith they "crack away to the archaic." The American Indians cracked away to the Peyote Cult and religionists deny inspiration and crack away to a virtual drug: music known as the ORGAN of creating wrath or ORGY is also highly addictive and well documented to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." In the words of the Bible, Plato and Heredotus it also turns them into women.

Paul said that when people lose their love of truth they crack away or are SENT strong delusions so that they believe their own lies. The MARK for avoidance is turning the assembly away from being Word-centered to the musical and theatrics. For that you cannot tolerate the truth preacher and so hire a drove of rhetoricians, singers, instrument players, actors: the actors are STAFF who make up work or PRETEND WORK (meaning of a hypocrite.)

Real people died and real thieves made them into "gods": Duck Dynasty quacked up The Tulsa Workshop while still living. The Murfreesboro Fire department made news by saving a little ducklin. Next year, Honey Boo Boo!

Historians and Geographers left us a record of the worship given to heros living or dead meaning IDOLATRY. Therefore, it is not myth or legend but recorded history. See Clement of Alexandria who defined it all in non prudish terms.

http://www.piney.com/AnteClHeresVolII.html



<font face="arial" size="4">Notice the word HAIRO which defines a HERETIC or SECTARIAN. In Romans 15 the Greek Areskos or Latin Placeo defines HERESY as the self-pleasure which created mental excitement or the Laden Burden: this word is USED of speaking, singing, playing instruments, acting, dancing or making love as an act of worship.

The REASON the HERETICS or SECTARIANS have to be silenced is so that we might "use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our learning" or as Paul adds "Scripture for our comfort" or mediation-intercession.

Of course the heretics or sectarians IMPOSE what Paul outlaws and say that those who will not sing, play, clap and jump around are the REAL sectarians because they refuse to FELLOWSHIP with the infantile delinquents.

Nomos or Legalism defines all of the LAWS and hard work learning and performing these forbidden acts which they need to PERFORM and finance to enable church to work. Then, as part of the delusion they say that people who will NOT play hopscotch with them are the real legalists just for sitting down, shutting up and listening to the Word.


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May 6th, 2014, 3:46 pm #12

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Clement of Alexandria is often used to say that he authorized instruments in the assembly: they probably intend to say that Clement was using the lyre more as an allegory in a chapter HOW TO CONDUCT OURSELVES AT FEASTS. He also speaks about Old Wives tales which may fit the host of STAFF who have some kind of job in the "temple" all day long.

This includes several hymns written by Clement

http://www.piney.com/ChFathClPed3.html

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May 10th, 2014, 3:22 am #13

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May 12th, 2014, 4:49 pm #14

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May 12th, 2014, 5:01 pm #15

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By reading the History of the Jewish Synagogues and pagan religions in Rome we can understand what Paul simply imposed as an asserted direct command in Romans 14. Those who do not have the capacity or need to know the "soup" into which they live, move and are destroyed by have God's permission to remain blind and deaf.

The Orphics who became disciples might still take their meals in the marketplace where Jesus consigned the pipers, singers and dancers. The Dionysics would take their meals or by meat at the always-pagan animal sacrifices. Others should not judge them by food resource or the day they came to the market to buy fresh meat. However, the old theology must never be allowed because it would not edify or educate in the Christian assembles (Ekklesia up on the Pnyx in Corinth or other cities).

If you do not KNOW what these sects did the local angels of light might force you to do exactly what God always denied. Paul would say that this is never a matter or sincere ignorance but that LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

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May 13th, 2014, 12:01 am #16

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Paul warned about the three sects in Rome and new converts who still bought their food at the time and days their old worship was held. We have historians defining these sects which had become so vile that "what they do in the night" at massed meetings had been outlawed: they could hold their assemblies to sing, dance, play and "Initiate" one another only during the day and with only a small number. It is a fact that a group of five mature males would NEVER agree to hire someone to lead them in his own speeches, sing, play instruments, act, dance or take up a collection. Mein Kampf noted that the SEEKERS need a large group where the cult leaders can intimidate people into giving up all of their right to read, think or speak outside of the group.



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May 13th, 2014, 4:59 pm #17

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May 13th, 2014, 10:41 pm #18

This thread was begun as a way to mock the use of myths and legends in order to understand the huge body of literature men like Paul did not need to write about in order to tell the Disciples what they SHOULD DO. History of reason demands that when God tells us what to do to be saved or "safe" He does not have to tell us NOT to do anything else. Because church is a School of the Word we do not have to be too concerned with the pagan accounts unless we suddenly see and hear the preacher say that "a" spirit told him to impose instrumental music and threaten anyone who would be classified as disobedient to the will of god as the imagination of those Paul defined as LYING IN WAIT. THEIR "spirit" tells them that Paul was insisting on "unity in diversity." You have to know that no one can be that ignorant and therefore as the say they are INTENTIONAL.

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... rsity.html

The mockers can accuse you as liars or spreading dung but they WILL NOT ever accept that their job, like Amos 8 and Isaiah 5, using wine, women and instruments to INTENTIONALLY STARVE people for lack of the free water of the word. Jesus said that the Father sent Him to rescue a LITTLE FLOCK.

Luke 12:31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Luke 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Fathers good pleasure to give you the kingdom.


Paul warned that it would be the elders with the dangerous presumed authority who would have the authority to invite the wolves in: wolves run in packs so they are not par of the little FLOCK. Elders feed the Little Flock with the Word (only) but wolves eat up the flock and even craunch their bones.


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May 14th, 2014, 1:18 am #19

We have noted that Moses did not begin to write and had no reason to write his books until AFTER the Israelites had been saved by Grace and immediately returned to musical idolatry. God turned them over to worship the starry host and sentenced them back to Babylon and beyond. God then gave the THE BOOK OF THE LAW because of their transgression. Moses does not begin to write a history of the universe but of the Hebrew people who BECAME dark or ignorance. The Sumerians began organized societies close to the c. BC 4000 period and destroyed free society as a gift from God and made them slaves of the people who knew how to "chant their pants off" with musical sounds as the meaning of the SERPENT or musical enchanter(ess). Others knew how to make weapons and threaten those who did not attend the services: both the sabbath as a WORK day for the serfs and a REST day for the clergy which consisted of priests, singers, instrument players, exorcists, cooks, bakers and even prostitutes. You can let the flat earth preachers make Christianity despised and rejected and mocked or you can slip out of the "sermon and songs" and go to the library.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

And his brother's name was Jubal,.... This was another son of Lamech by Adah, and his name differs only in one letter from his brother's:

he was the father of all such that handle the harp and organ: he was the inventor of instrumental music, both of stringed instruments, such as were touched by the fingers, or struck with a quill, as the "harp"; and of wind instruments, such as were blown, as the "organ", which seems not to be the same we call so, being a late invention; but however a pleasant instrument, as its name signifies.

Jubal is thought by some to be the same with Apollo, to whom with the Greeks the invention of the harp is ascribed; and some have been of opinion, that the jubilee trumpet was so called from Jubal, Leviticus 25:9.

Sanchoniatho (r) makes Chrysor or Vulcan, the same with Tubalcain, the brother of Jubal, to exercise himself in eloquence, songs and divination, confounding or mistaking the employment of the two brothers.

The Arabs have such a notion of the Cainites being the inventors of music, that they commonly call a singing girl "Cainah" (s); and the Arabic writers (t) make Jubal to be the first inventor of music, and that the BEASTS and birds gathered together to hear him; the same that is said of Orpheus.

(r) Apud Euseb. Praepar. Evangel. l. 1. p. 35. (s) Abulpharag. Hist. Dynast. p. 9. (t) Elmacinus, p. 8. apud Hottinger. Smegma, p. 232.


the endings bel & bal seem to refer to the god of Cain's family:

In the Bible CAIN is derived from a musical note: that is the MARK in Revelation. Leon R. Kass (The Beginning of Wisdom: Reading Genesis) says that Cain (qayin) is related to qanithi, from a root qanah, meaning "to possess"

Qayin (h7013) kah'-yin; from 6969 in the orig. sense of fixity; a lance (as striking fast): - spear.
Quwn (h6969) koon; a prim. root; to strike a musical note, i. e. chant or wail (at a funeral): - lament, mourning woman

Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Consider ye, and call for the mourning women, that they may come; and send for cunning women, that they may come: Je.9:17

The "Singing Girls" are the Muses or Locusts in Revelation 18: in the religion of the Babylon Mother of Harlots the speakers, singers and instrument players are "lusted after fruits" and are called Sorcerers. The Grace-Centered movement does not grasp that the Graces and Muses were the same or similar and both prostituted their bodies and talents. It is logical that Grace-Centered FLAUNTS the law by saying "we can sin but grace is going to make it ok."

http://www.piney.com/Cain.html

The Cainites are sometimes called libertine Gnostics for believing that true perfection, and hence salvation, comes only by breaking all the laws of the Old Testament. The violation of biblical prescriptions was, therefore, a religious duty.

Because it was difficult to violate all biblical laws during a single lifetime, the Cainites did not look for salvation in the created world but rather escape from it. Their subversion of biblical stories allowed them to use Sacred Scripture to support their dualistic view of existence.

1. Others again declare that Cain derived his being from the Power above, and acknowledge that Esau, Korah, the Sodomites, and all such persons, are related to themselves.

On this account, they add, they have been assailed by the Creator, yet no one of them has suffered injury. For Sophia was in the habit of carrying off that which belonged to her from them to herself.

They declare that Judas the traitor was thoroughly acquainted with these things, and that he alone, knowing the truth as no others did, accomplished the mystery of the betrayal; by him all things, both earthly and heavenly, were thus thrown into confusion. They produce a fictitious history of this kind, which they style the Gospel of Judas.
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May 15th, 2014, 4:57 pm #20

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Donnie, will you please edit the approved "Original Message" to its correct original form. Thanks!

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