My Sources

Joined: January 2nd, 2005, 6:45 am

November 14th, 2010, 7:29 am #11

Here's the lie: "1809 - [that] Thomas Campbell was another 'change agent.'"

You, too, can learn a lot from his research.
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Dave
Dave

November 15th, 2010, 3:27 pm #12

If it is a lie Donnie, then you are calling Ken a liar. He is the one who said it.
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Donnie
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November 15th, 2010, 4:11 pm #13

Dave,

I need to refer you to this [locked] thread and you will find who said it:

"A Brief Historical Timeline Of The Genesis Of Change Agents In The Church Of Christ"

November 9 2010 at 9:37 PM
Sonny (no login) from IP address 99.186.93.107

"1809 - The Christian Association commissioned Thomas Campbell (another "change agent") to write a Declaration and Address...."
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Dave
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November 15th, 2010, 4:34 pm #14

Donnie,
Why wouldn't Ken make it a point to make sure that the readers knew that Sonny was the one who said this?
I don't see where Ken referred to this.....do you?
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November 15th, 2010, 5:24 pm #15

Dave,

Maybe, Ken is trying to see if you're paying attention ... to details.

There is a connection between this thread: "My Sources" and the locked thread: "A Brief Historical Timeline Of The Genesis Of Change Agents In The Church Of Christ."

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Dave!!!
Dave!!!

November 15th, 2010, 6:14 pm #16

Still backing ole Ken, even when he falls, and that is often, and even if it makes you look bad.....good for you Donnie.
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Joined: July 29th, 2010, 2:32 pm

November 15th, 2010, 8:02 pm #17

Whether intentionally or unintentionally, the thread "A Brief Historical Timeline Of The Genesis Of Change Agents In The Church Of Christ" has been set-up so that I cannot reply to Brother Cruz's statements and accusations about my information and a lack of sources, so here they are. -Sonny

"American Origins Of Churches Of Christ" by Richard Hughes, Nathan O. Hatch and David Edwin Harrell, Jr.
"Renewing God's People: A Concise History Of Churches Of Christ" by Gary Holloway and Douglas A. Foster
"The Stone-Campbell Movement: The Story Of The American Restoration Movement" by Leroy Garrett
And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry,
.....and satisfy the afflicted soul;
.....then shall thy light rise in obscurity,
.....and thy darkness be as the noonday: Isa 58:10

And the Lord shall guide thee continually,
.....and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones:
.....and thou shalt be like a watered garden,
.....and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. Isa 58:11

And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places:
.....thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations;
.....and thou shalt be called,
..........The repairer of the breach,
..........The restorer of paths to dwell in. Isa 58:12

Sabbath does not mean Saturday but: intermission

A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

not doing thine own ways,
.....nor finding thine own pleasure,
.....nor speaking thine own words: Isa 58:13

Jer 23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the Lord,
.....and hath perceived and heard his word?
.....who hath marked his word, and heard it?
Jer 23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the Lord is gone forth in fury,
.....even a grievous whirlwind:
.....it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
Jer 23:20 The anger of the Lord shall not return,
.....until he have executed,
.....and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart:
.....in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
Jer 23:21 I have not sent these prophets,
.....yet they ran:
.....I have not spoken to them,
.....yet they prophesied.
Jer 23:22 But if they had stood in my counsel,
.....and had caused my people to hear my words,
.....then they should have turned them from their evil way,
.....and from the evil of their doings.

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November 15th, 2010, 9:13 pm #18

Still backing ole Ken, even when he falls, and that is often, and even if it makes you look bad.....good for you Donnie.
Dave,

Did you notice the message title? That exactly describes Ken. He has more depth and greater knowledge and understanding of the truth backed by history, or vice versa, than that of all the change agents put together. You, too, can learn from him. If you want to know [more] about the Restoration Movement history, ask him. If you want to know [at all] about the history of musical idolatry, ask him.
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Dave
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November 15th, 2010, 9:42 pm #19

Yes sireeeee.....Ken can tell you me and others all about Enoch, the 67th book in the OT too.
Oh, excuse me....I have misspoke. There is only 66 books, right Donnie.....Ken? Do me a favor Donnie. I can't seem to get Ken to tell me the location of Enoch in our Old or New Testaments.

He speaks more about Greek mythology and about a book that doesn't exist than he does of what we know to be Truthful.
That is a problem.
As far as his vast knowledge.....you are more than welcome to it Donnie.
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Joined: January 2nd, 2005, 6:45 am

November 15th, 2010, 10:39 pm #20

Dave,

This is good. The discussion is getting better. We're more to the point ... without calling each other names -- well, almost.

I'd rather learn proofs and evidences of biblical events and truths from the Book of Enoch than learn dogmas, creeds and acquired-denominational beliefs from change agents in the brotherhood.

Do me a favor, Dave. Search on "book of" from the entire Bible, and let us know how many you will find. Never mind: that will take time, so I'll do it for you. Voila!!! Here are some:

--- book of Jasher (Joshua 10:13)
--- book of the acts of Solomon (I Kings 11:41)
--- book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel
--- book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah
--- book of Nathan the prophet
--- book of Gad the seer
--- book of Shemaiah the prophet
--- book of Jehu the son of Hanani
--- book of records of the chronicles
--- book of the vision of Nahum

There are more -- all mentioned in the Bible. (BTW, the list has BCV references.)

So, are these different books actual books in the Bible?

I know ... I know. His knowledge of Greek mythology, the history of musical idolatry, is staggering and intimidating, too.
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