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August 2nd, 2016, 9:05 am #1



Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact.

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August 2nd, 2016, 2:32 pm #2

They are not demographically similar to what is commonly known as "change agents."

Most every post they do is to slow down change.
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August 2nd, 2016, 2:40 pm #3


Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact.

Comments welcome!
One is pre-1950, more or less, and has a root in sufficiency of Biblical teaching. He is a welcome relief from music-obsessed maniacs.

Another is more reactive to events promoted by "modern change agents." He is right in appraising the great damage done to the church.

A church claiming to be all-inclusive should welcome them in!
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August 2nd, 2016, 2:53 pm #4


Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact.

Comments welcome!
When my kids began to present me with that yellow stuff in the diapers I CHANGED them but not the DIAPEREE nor did I charge them for putting stuff BACK INTO the "washed with water" diaper.

Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan. 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan. 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change TIMES and LAWS: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan. 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan. 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion,
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and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
.....shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,
.....whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
.....and all dominions shall serve and obey him. .


Everyone wants the LAMBS to get baptized with spirit (wind) and fire and they will get their wish.:

Mal. 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger,
..... and he shall prepare the WAY before me:
.....and the Lord, whom ye seek,
.....shall suddenly come to his temple,
.....even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in:
.....behold, he shall come
....., saith the LORD of hosts.


For the World Viewers, the Kosmos, the ecumenical or the kingdom of the Devil spreading hate about sectarians, the Little Flock called OUT of the World, the WAY is called a SECT and it is very narrow and EXclusive.

The VIA is In gen., a way, method, mode, manner, fashion, etc., of doing any thing, course (cf. modus): the right way, the true method, mode, or manner:
rationally and methodically. , the right way, the true method, mode, or manner: “ingressu'st viam going in, entering: in forum: ingressūs hostiles, inroads,

Mal. 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth?
.....for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap:




Mal. 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver:

<font color="#FFFFFF">..... and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver,
..... that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
Mal. 3:4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD,
.....as in the days of old, and as in former years.
Mal. 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment;
.....and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers,
..... and against the adulterers, and against false swearers,
.....and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless,
.....and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal. 3:6 For I am the LORD, I CHANGE not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. .


Mark speaks of the ARCH or that which holds up the whole New Covenant.

The Kingdom would be for a TINY REMNANT of the Jews left in Jerusalem and the Gentiles who HE would call.

Mark 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy WAY before thee.
Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the WAY [Pattern] of the Lord, make his PATHS [RUTS] straight.
Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mark 1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.


Those who quibble about baptism should not worry. Only those who GLADLY receive HIS WORD will insist on being baptized. They are CHANGED and their spirit is translated into a heavenly klingdom. They are out of reach for anyone who wants to CHANGE the LAWS because they see visions or hear words and have just bought a new house.

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August 2nd, 2016, 3:34 pm #5


Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact.

Comments welcome!
Scripture: A church claiming to be all-inclusive should welcome them in!

INCLUSIVE is usually some one who has infiltrated and been HIRED by silly elders with the not-secret agenda to betray all of the teachings for which he was HIRED to do. When Rick Atchley changed his solemn vow after a decade he claimed that "THAT was then but THIS is now."

Inclusive or Ecumenical means EVERYONE is welcomed to stuff the wild pews and anti-christian collection plates but NO ONE IS welcomed to challenge the anointed ones. WE want to be INCLUSIVE so that YOU, silly investor no longer, are allowed to teach.



<font face="arial" size="4">WE not wanting to be RACAed with being SECTARIAN would love to say that these people are BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE and Ethically challenged. However Jesus as HOLY SPIRIT (his new state) has Paul tell the UNITY IN DIVERSITY crowd that THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

When they are ABOMINATING in the pulpit and the Choir Loft it is time (KAIROS) to change them but, alas, from the Book of Enoch and all of the "instrumental" passages in the Bible, their ABOMINATING is not the SIN: it is the MARK of those strongly deluding and not able to stop presenting Lying Wonders made VISIBLE-AUDIBLE by rhetoric, singing, playing instruments or begging for money CLAIMING that these are PROOFS that God is leading them. In fact, Revelation says that maybe God IS Leading them to be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. They are really busy calling for God's Holy Fire to fall on them so they can see VISIONS and CAST VISIONS and do so supernaturally because they can fool most of the people mot of the time.

They even boast that they have a CROWN already fitted for them but Jude etal says they were FOREORDAINED.
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August 2nd, 2016, 4:45 pm #6

Script, you may be a lucky one. Ken may provide you with a fire suit! LOL !
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August 3rd, 2016, 1:52 pm #7



Domestic problems. Will continue discussion when Donnie returns.
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August 3rd, 2016, 3:09 pm #8

See John Calvin on the need for a Restoration Movement excluding professional preachers.
http://www.piney.com/CalvinProfessPrea.html

I trust I have now clearly shown, as I proposed, that in correcting the corruption of the church, we have by no means been more urgent than the case demanded. Even those who blame us are aware of this, and, accordingly, they have recourse to another charge, namely, that the utmost we have gained by our interference has been to fill the Christian world, which was formerly at peace, with intestine discord --

that so far from any amendment appearing, things have gone on to worse -- that of those who have embraced our doctrine few have been made better, nay, that some have been emboldened, if not to greater, at least to more unrestrained licentiousness.

They object, moreover, that in our churches there is no discipline, no laws of abstinence, no exercises of humility; that the people, thrown loose from the yoke, riot with impunity in vicious courses.

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Extrem ... Jesus.html


Lastly, they throw upon us the odium of seizing on the property of ecclesiastics, asserting that our princes have made a rush upon it as if it had been lawful spoil; that in this way the church has been violently and shamefully plundered, and that now the patrimony of the church is possessed indiscriminately by those who, amid the uproar of contention, have usurped it without law or any proper title.

I, for my part, deny not that when impiety reigned, her kingdom was disturbed by us. But if, at the moment when the light of sound and pious doctrine beamed upon the world, all, as in duty bound, had spontaneously, and with ready mind, lent their aid, there would at the present day be no less peace and quietness in all the churches, (the kingdom of Christ flourishing), than in the days when Antichrist tyrannized.

Let those who, it is manifest, impede the course of truth, desist from waging war with Christ, and there will instantly be perfect concord;


or let them desist from throwing
upon us the blame of dissensions, which they themselves excite.


Those who speak in this way understand not that the restoration of the church is the work of God, and no more depends on the hopes and opinions of men, than the resurrection of the dead, or any other miracle of that description.


OF PAYING THOSE AS CHURCH OF CHRIST WERE CALLED "POOR PRIESTS"

For what duties do they perform in return? In the same way as anciently, under the laws, those who served at the altar lived by the altar, "even so hath the Lord ordained, that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel" (1 Cor. 9:14).

These are Paul's words. Let them, then, show us that they are ministers of the gospel, and I will have no difficulty in conceding their right to stipend.

The ox must not be muzzled that treadeth out the corn [1 Cor. 9:9]. But is it not altogether at variance with reason that the ploughing oxen should starve, and the lazy asses be fed?

They will say, however, that they serve at the altar. I answer, that the priests under the law deserved maintenance, by ministering at an altar;

but that, as Paul declares, the case under the New Testament is different. And what are those altar services, for which they allege that maintenance is due to them?

Forsooth, that they may perform their masses and chant in churches, for example, partly labor to no purpose, and partly perpetrate sacrilege, thereby provoking the anger of God. See for what it is that they are alimented at the public expense!
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August 3rd, 2016, 3:15 pm #9


Domestic problems. Will continue discussion when Donnie returns.
See John Calvin on the need for a Restoration Movement excluding professional preachers.

http://www.piney.com/CalvinProfessPrea.html

For where can I exert myself to better purpose or more honestly, where, too, in a matter at this time more necessary, than in attempting, according to my ability,

to aid the Church of Christ, whose claims it is unlawful in any instance to deny, and which is now in grievous distress, and in extreme danger?

I trust I have now clearly shown, as I proposed, that in correcting the corruption of the church, we have by no means been more urgent than the case demanded. Even those who blame us are aware of this, and, accordingly, they have recourse to another charge, namely, that the utmost we have gained by our interference has been to fill the Christian world, which was formerly at peace, with intestine discord --

that so far from any amendment appearing, things have gone on to worse -- that of those who have embraced our doctrine few have been made better, nay, that some have been emboldened, if not to greater, at least to more unrestrained licentiousness.

They object, moreover, that in our churches there is no discipline, no laws of abstinence, no exercises of humility; that the people, thrown loose from the yoke, riot with impunity in vicious courses.

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Extrem ... Jesus.html


Lastly, they throw upon us the odium of seizing on the property of ecclesiastics, asserting that our princes have made a rush upon it as if it had been lawful spoil; that in this way the church has been violently and shamefully plundered, and that now the patrimony of the church is possessed indiscriminately by those who, amid the uproar of contention, have usurped it without law or any proper title.

I, for my part, deny not that when impiety reigned, her kingdom was disturbed by us. But if, at the moment when the light of sound and pious doctrine beamed upon the world, all, as in duty bound, had spontaneously, and with ready mind, lent their aid, there would at the present day be no less peace and quietness in all the churches, (the kingdom of Christ flourishing), than in the days when Antichrist tyrannized.

Let those who, it is manifest, impede the course of truth, desist from waging war with Christ, and there will instantly be perfect concord;


or let them desist from throwing
upon us the blame of dissensions, which they themselves excite.


Those who speak in this way understand not that the restoration of the church is the work of God, and no more depends on the hopes and opinions of men, than the resurrection of the dead, or any other miracle of that description.


OF PAYING THOSE AS CHURCH OF CHRIST WERE CALLED "POOR PRIESTS"

For what duties do they perform in return? In the same way as anciently, under the laws, those who served at the altar lived by the altar, "even so hath the Lord ordained, that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel" (1 Cor. 9:14).

These are Paul's words. Let them, then, show us that they are ministers of the gospel, and I will have no difficulty in conceding their right to stipend.

The ox must not be muzzled that treadeth out the corn [1 Cor. 9:9]. But is it not altogether at variance with reason that the ploughing oxen should starve, and the lazy asses be fed?

They will say, however, that they serve at the altar. I answer, that the priests under the law deserved maintenance, by ministering at an altar;

but that, as Paul declares, the case under the New Testament is different. And what are those altar services, for which they allege that maintenance is due to them?

Forsooth, that they may perform their masses and chant in churches, for example, partly labor to no purpose, and partly perpetrate sacrilege, thereby provoking the anger of God. See for what it is that they are alimented at the public expense!
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August 3rd, 2016, 3:35 pm #10



Ken, this is hilarious. Are you trying to bury something? When will Donnie return?
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