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August 9th, 2016, 3:29 pm #31


Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact.

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Time for a refocus.

"Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact."
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August 9th, 2016, 4:54 pm #32

Faith comes by hearing the WORD (regulative principle) of God.

If it is not OF faith and you impose it as a Law Then you are a sinner. If you make them pay then you are a robber of widows.

If you say that God COMMANDED any kind of musical performance AS worship.
And God did not command but outlawed that is despising the Word and the Latin translation is BLASPHEMY.



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August 9th, 2016, 4:55 pm #33

Time for a refocus.

"Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact."
The guilt lies with elders who are not APT for prime time telling the lambs that they should get filled with music meaning "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter" instead of leading them by STILL WATERS and letting the LAMBS eat their own GRASS without any help thank you very much.

All of the LOGOS or Regulative SPEAK words are carefully noted by looking at all historic use of the Word as the OPPOSITE of singing.

We have to wonder where professional religionists ever found any "music" concept connected with the Word of God and literate historic scholars. The Catholics never fell for "congregational singing with or without an organ." The Psalms were CHANTED by the CANTOR or PRECENTOR as the meaning of preaching long before the SERMON was imposed.

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August 9th, 2016, 5:36 pm #34

Time for a refocus.

"Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact."
KISS: Keep it simple, stupid.

Simple fact: Some eccentric folks believe that all singing in the assembly is sinful and will send you to hell. That makes about as much sense as believing that changing the time of the worship assembly from 11 AM to 10 AM will send you to hell. There is nothing in the New Testament that explicitly condemns singing in the assembly (or changing the time of the assembly for that matter).

Simple fact: Others see nothing wrong with singing in the assembly, as long as it's not a form of singing designed to showcase the "talents" of the singers.

Simple fact: Some folks fixate on the first portions of Eph. 5:19 and Col. 3:16, which mention speaking to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. They stop there and dismiss the remainder of those two verses. Those people believe that speaking rather than singing is the "correct" way to go.

Simple fact: Some folks opposed to singing will erroneously argue that by singing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, we attempt to "teach and admonish" God. Those two verses indicate nothing of the sort.

Simple fact: As those two verses indicate, the psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs serve a dual function: they serve to teach and admonish us as we speak them to ourselves, and they serve to praise God when we sing them respectfully and reverently in the assembly, making melody with grace in our hearts to God.
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August 9th, 2016, 6:16 pm #35

I always focus on both parts: Speaking is what one does to TEACH that which is written for our learning.

However. ODE and PSALLO are IN the heart or mind and therefore CANNOT BE HEARD. Straight adults do not sing to their God.

SPEAK or LEXIS is the Opposite and antithesis of ODE which always points to enchantment or sorcery.
PSALLO never in recorded meant "Tuneful Melody" and Bill ignores the MELODY which is a series of single tones not metrical that that time He calls it HARMONY. but harmony in the Greeks means two or more speaking the SAME NOTE: They are HARMONIOUS and you cannot have modern complex harmony without loads of dissonance which causes the Laded Burden or "Spiritual anxiety caused by religious rituals especially the singing and playing of the Pharisees Jesus calls hypocrites by reference to Ezekiel 33.

So, no one is Purpose Driven to even SING that which is written for our learning. As an ACT which must be performed it is legalism and everyone works REALLY HARD to perform.

Psallo has the same root meaning as SOP or twanging a bowstring: even if you SMITE the string of a harp that does NOT have any musical meaning other than a single SOUND

Reading the Bible means understanding parallelism: Paul commands the SPEAKING and excludes the SOUNDS of SORCERY for those who need to be Silent when the WORD of God is being PREACHED by being READ. God communicates only by SPEAK and READ which is the mark of a patriarchal God and not a goddess.







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August 9th, 2016, 7:41 pm #36

I have known few "lay" people who believe that "singing as a act" is commanded or was ever practiced in the assemblies in the Bible. There is no historic scholar until long after the Reformation who defines anything like "tuneful melody" which did not exist before the 19th century.

I have asked a few preachers who confess that there is no command.

Instrumentalists say there is no command to "sing" in the synagogue or church. However, because some people SIN by singing they claim that adding instruments is no greater sin.

There is no recorded history of the word SPEAK ever translated to mean SING. They are as opposite as walking and running. Walkers get disqualified if they hit a running gait.

The only people who promote singing as a religious performance have something to sell and the Greeks and Paul had a word for that.
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August 10th, 2016, 12:01 pm #37

SANGING, sole purpose to GLORIFY GOD, is GOOD. There isn't too much that we know about worshiping our God together, formally or informally, other than the few examples in the NT. You can harp and chew on this proposition of not finding scripture for command for sing. That is your lot in life. BUT...God is happy when we SING with our vocal cords and it is from our hearts. Again, you have been marked.
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August 10th, 2016, 5:50 pm #38

Those who have PUT ON Jesus in baptism can go boldly before the throne of Grace. We don't need to hire a GLORY LEADER or a PRAISE LEADER to do that. No one can LEAD me into glorifying God unless they follow the ONE PIECE PATTERN which first silences self-pleasure defined as listening to a performer, singing, playing instruments or acting. Only then is the pattern repeated in words which disciple cannot miss.

Rom. 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
Rom. 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification. [EDUCATION]
Rom. 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
Rom. 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning,
that we through patience and COMFORT of the SCRIPTURES might have hope.


The ONE PIECE WORSHIP CONCEPT IS TO GIVE ATTENDANCE TO THE READING AND CONFESSING THE WORD OF GOD. You do not intend to use "that which is written for our learning" out of the OLDEN book.

Rom. 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
Rom. 15:6 That ye may with one MIND and one MOUTH GLORIFY God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom. 15:7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the GLORY of God.


http://www.piney.com/RefMLuthRom15.html

7. No one will open his eyes to the fact that mere human devices and doctrines are ensnaring souls, weakening consciences, dissipating Christian liberty and faith, and replenishing hell.

Wolves! wolves! How abominably, awfully, murderous, how harassing and destructive, are these things the world over! This matter of obedience to human doctrine has never been agitated sufficiently to discover weak consciences. No one has opposed in word or act the teachings harmful to them.

Whosoever has deviated from the doctrines has been condemned, and denounced as an apostate, a roving monk, an abandoned Christian.

Thus forcibly have the sheep not only been enfeebled, but driven into the jaws of the wolf. Oh, the wrath, the indignation, the displeasure, of the Divine Majesty!

8. If now, by the mercy of God, these papistical doctrines should be recognized as merely human,

as false and assumed, things God has not commanded;
and if some were to have courage enough to depart from custom in the matter of masses, prayers, garb, meats, and to maintain their Christian liberty according to the Gospel, the two classes referred to would take offense.


Most churches are Performance Driven to PREVENT any glory slipping through to Jesus Who gave them no role and no dole. It is impossible to glorify Jesus Christ when PERFORMING music just to make people think they must KEEP THE LAW OF SINGING.
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August 11th, 2016, 6:11 pm #39



Time to focus,



"Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.

Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact."



Ken, 2,000,000 plus Church of Christ members SING every Sunday. Do you really think you should condemn them?
You say they will burn? Just be honest?
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August 11th, 2016, 9:20 pm #40

They SING because the clergy lies to them: They sing because of the Witchcraft of Cane Ridge Ky where the white people discovered from the black people that you could voodoo rational people into crawling, snarling, barking, trying to tree the devil up in the tree, fighting over garbage. Most of them couldn't get passed Duncan's Tavern where they howled in delusion that they could have allowed themselves to be so deranged by styles of singing. The more enlightened were turned off by what in earlier days would be called witchcraft and the denominal pastors seeking lambs to steal would have to GO OUT looking for LOST sheep.

They also sing because Alexander Campbell had a hurridly-complied song book for sale. The Christian Standard confiscated it and declared that you MUST buy their Sunday School Material led by outsiders and buy their song book to be a true-blue musical sectarian.

Rejoice and be glad becaue MANY (almost all) are called, invited, elected but FEW (mikros) are Chosen. You cannot MANUFACTURE tens of thousands of institution with millions and works-madness (Organon or a musical instrument--real or virtual) is a MACHINE for doing HARD WORK. That's so NOT-APT elders can lie about the LAW OF GIVNG.

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his WORD were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.


The WORD is the Logos or Regulative principle OUTLAWING anything but SPEAKING that which can be RECEIVED but NOT by the wise or sophists FROM WHOM GOD HIDES: speakers, singers, instrument players all the MARKS of Sorcerers foreordained for this Driving Purpose (Jude )

The Catholic Encyclopedia is honest enough to confess that "Music was added because it was COMMON to all pagan cults." If you say that there is a COMMAND for any muisical concept in the Bible or pre-Reformation history they you CANNOT gladly receive the Word or LOGOS the regulative principle which to simple simon in Greek class understood as the ANTITHESIS of Hermes-Kairos-Abollon of their Greek religions.

When we use the OPPOSITE word we follow litterate resources NOT any where near any university making DOCTORS OF THE LAW know about or they lie about it.

The Mark of either REJECTING the Spirit-Word or BEING accepted by Jesus and confessed to the father.

This list is to MARK those who make you pay for being told that we have to induce MANIA so that we can BOIL you slowly as the Purpose Driven Cult boasts about. Here is what the Spirit OF Christ said as God breathed into the PROPHETS-ONLY to define a TRUE Day of REST from rituals both inclusively and exclusively.

Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. Eze 33:30

And they come unto thee as the people cometh,
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and they sit before thee as my people,
.....and they hear thy words,
.....but they will not do them:

.....(Lord, Lord as amorousness - inordinate love),
.....but their heart goeth after their covetousness. Eze 33:31

Indeed, to them you are NOTHING MORE THAN
.....(one who sings love songs (minstrel as a prostitute)
.....(with a beautiful voice and plays (make melody on) an instrument well,

FOR they hear YOUR words but do not put them into practice. Eze 33:32NIV

When all this comes true--and it surely will--then they will know that a prophet has been among them." Eze 33:33


Sorry about the Minister of Toasters but the Spirit OF Christ said of self-authoring preachers for hire (a Hireling), grand singers and talented instrument players ALL GROUPED TOGETHER are JUST NOTHING.



Sorry about those close to getting toasted--the mind is the first to be burned up and burned out

Under IGNIS the Fire Starter is also defined as the SONG STARTER. The purpose driving making love to a goddess defined by all religious musicians is to IGNITE THE FIRE OF LOVE. Then you can slither that finger into the pockket and pull out the money for the Widow's last CAKE and last CRUSE of oil. A minister SUPPLIES the Widow and does not intice her to sell her heirlooms to build 60,000 new institutions teaching error.

The sing in that New Style of Praise Singing because Jesus had John warn about The Babilon Mother of Harlots and Apollon-Abaddon is the Leader of the Locusts or His musical worship team. They are called MUSES and they tell some truth and many lies to deceive the heart of mankind.

I certify that as part of the Ahedonia Majority I find such singing just as Jesus warned as a Laden Burden menaing "spiritual anxiety created by religious ritual." A burden Jesus died to remove is Arousal Singing and a Tax not in time of War. Jesus nor any of the Bible commanded any musical concept so it CANNOT be of FAITH. Ephesians 4 says that THEY ARE LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE. A true SHEPHERD would try to obey the Spirit OF Christ Who outlawed musical instruments always called idols being used to SPEAKS where SILENCE is the purest form of worship of a SPIRIT God.

Hab. 2:19 Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath [ The breath of a god, inspiration] at all in the midst of it.
Hab. 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: [Open space, not a house] let all the earth keep silence before him.

sĭlĕo , to be still or quiet (opp. to being in action), to remain inactive, to rest, cease (in class. prose, for the most part only of things; “quiesco): et cycnea mele Phoebeaque Carmina consimili ratione oppressa silerent,” Lucr. 2, 506: “silent diutius Musae Varronis quam solebant,”


The SERVICE of the Jacob-Cursed and God-Abandoned Levites is Abodah which is ABADDON because God ABANDONED them to worship the STARRY HOST. The Muses or Locusts of Phoebe or APOLLON are not SILENT but perfmrom CARMINA. to OPPERESS SILENCE.

Carmena I..a tune, song; poem, verse; an oracular response, a prophecy; a form of incantation (cf.: cano, cantus, and canto). I. In gen., a tune, song, air, lay, strain, note, sound, both vocal and instrumental

Very complex HARMONY not included as MELODY is and was alwayes intended to be ORGANIC MUSICAL ORCHESTRA repeating exactly the notes intended for the Pipe organ. ACAPPELLA is famous for their VOCAL BAND: I felt embarassed.

There is NOT Scriptural hint of music on the SABBATH DAY which means REST and never a "Day of ritual worship." The Scripture and all of its reference to paganism MARKS religious music as INTENTIONALLY making the lamb dumb before the slaughter.
Elders turned Wolves say BUT, WE GONNA DO IT and then try to justify themselve by saying EVERYONE is doing.

That's not true because MOST people will never pay for a rhetorical, singing, playing or acting ritual being BOTTLED as KoolAid. So in fact I would say that MOST members of confiscated congregations now show up as EMPTY PEWS or FILLED with spiritual butterflies looking for the best--in the words of Shelly-Venues for rock and roll.

Don't worry if you cannot grasp The Spirit OF Christ defining NOTHING of self-authoring preachers for HIRE because they are NOTHING But, lordy don't they huff and puff succeeding in blowing many houses down. The Little Flock of Lost Spirits will have APT elders who will EJECT them because Jesus says LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.
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