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[color=#000000" size="4" face="times]Ken said: "True: but I need the Classics to debunk people who claim that 'a' spirit is telling them that we are Post-Biblical...."True: but I need the Classics to debunk people who claim that "a" spirit is telling them that we are Post-Biblical. Not even on clay tablets were people too archaic not to debunk those "selling their learning at retail." Paul calls is "corrupting the Word" which word means "prostituting" themselves.
Plat. Laws 936c There shall be no beggar in our State; and if anyone attempts to beg, and to collect a livelihood by ceaseless [making Poieo meter, hymns] prayers, the market-stewards shall expel him from the market, and the Board of city-stewards from the city, and from any other district he shall be driven across the border by the country-stewards, to the end that the land may be wholly purged of such a creature. If a slave, male or female, do any injury to another man's goods,
Plato Republic 3. And therefore when any one of these pantomimic gentlemen, who are so clever that they can imitate anything, comes to us, and makes a proposal to exhibit himself and his poetry,
we will fall down and worship him as a sweet and holy and wonderful being;
but we must also inform him that in our State such as he are not permitted to exist; the law will not allow them.
And so when we have anointed him with myrrh, and set a garland of wool upon his head,
we shall send him away to another city. For we mean to employ for our souls' health the rougher and severer poet or story-teller, who will imitate the style of the virtuous only,
and will follow those models which we prescribed at first when we began the education of our soldiers.
Civil societies called these people PARASITES which defines anyone who performs religious operations or sacrifices claiming a god's authority; Parasite was specificially applied to sacrificial musicians and Jesus called them HYPOCRITES: no wonder they want to get POST MODERN as the taken-captive world was given the internet.
[color=#000000" size="4" face="times]Bill said: "The Bible hardly needs the philosophy of Plato-Socrates to back it up."The Bible hardly needs the philosophy of Plato-Socrates to back it up.
Oddly, Donnie always becomes very defensive when anyone mentions the odd hours that he keeps. He reacted just as I knew he would. Donnie, we know how much you feel driven to prove everyone else "wrong"...oh sorry..."incorrect," but do try to take a break from your I'm-right-and-you're-incorrect quest and get some rest sometime.[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill honestly believes that every poster has [should have] exactly the same schedule as he does. Good luck, everyone!
"Wrong" is "not in my vocabulary" when discussing controversial doctrinal issues. I simply present the truth by quoting [numerous] scriptures and let the Scripture speak for itself.[/color]
No one, except maybe Donnie and Ken, needs the opinions of philosophers to back up the Bible. And speaking of paganism, Ken, with Donnie's blessing, consistently raves about the necessity of paganism to understand the Bible. The Gospel doesn't need pagan gods and goddesses to survive.[color=#000000" size="4" face="times]Bill said: "The Bible hardly needs the philosophy of Plato-Socrates to back it up."
I would assume that Bill knows the "philosophy of Plato-Socrates." And he doesn't need it to back up the Bible. But it appears that he is making an exception: he needs the philosophy of the emperor Constantine, the papacy and paganism to prove his stance on the popular Trinity Creed and on the much-debated music issue.[/color]
But Jesus said, “My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me” (John 10:27). His voice is all we need to hear and the Scriptures are His voice, completely and utterly sufficient.
Donnie and Ken are Change Agents in the Church of Christ. They believe congregational singing is a sin.
Donnie and Ken would like to cover and hide this fact.