Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

April 19th, 2011, 2:38 am #31

According to 1 Cor. 4:6, we are not to go above what is written in Scripture. That is, we are not to add to, take from, or in any way alter God's commands as presented in the New Testament. To do so is sinful. If something about a command does not suit us and we tweak it so that it becomes more palatable to the masses, then that is sinful. Likewise, manufacturing taboos that are not present in the New Testament is also sinful.

For example, if a congregation decides to change its meeting time and someone condemns that change as sinful, that person sins, because the New Testament does not address meeting times. Likewise, condemning a change in the number of hymns sung or the order of worship is sinful, because the New Testament does not address those issues.

Pushing for denominationalism, some members of the Church of Christ claim that it is a sin to condemn anything that God does not explicitly forbid by name, despite the fact that God may have already addressed the issue.

For example, the New Testament specifies bread and fruit of the vine as the emblems for the Lord's Supper, yet some people advocate alternatives like pizza and soft drinks, because the New Testament does not forbid those items by name. The argument is that if God had wanted ONLY bread and fruit of the vine, He would have said not to use any other emblems. It's the old bit of "God didn't say not to." Because those people claim that condemning pizza and soft drinks is sinful, they manufacture a taboo that is not present in the New Testament. Hence, they sin.

A similar example involves instrumental music. Although Christ through Paul tells us to sing and make melody in our hearts (Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16), advocates of instruments claim that condemning instruments is sinful, because the New Testament does not explicitly condemn them by name. The argument is that if God had wanted ONLY vocal music, He would have said not to use any other forms of music. Again, it's the old bit of "God didn't say not to." Because those people claim that condemning instrumental music is sinful, they manufacture a taboo that is not present in the New Testament. Hence, they sin.

People who manufacture taboos to please themselves in worship are not willing to take Gods explicit commands in the New Testament and abide by them. They would have God make an extensive, exhaustive list of every conceivable item in the universe that is forbidden; without such a list, they do as they please. That, of course, is utterly ridiculous.
Given all that has been said about the unscriptural act of implementing instrumental music in Christian worship, those who are bent on having instruments might as well stamp the following "Statement of Defiance" on themselves:

STATEMENT OF DEFIANCE FOR PROPONENTS OF MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS

We follow the New Testament (except when it clashes with our personal preferences and desires).

We do not believe that 1 Cor. 4:6 literally means to stay within strict bounds of Scripture as far as God's commands are concerned. We believe that changing God's commands is NOT sinful, as long as the results bring US joy and hurt no one. Therefore, ADDING instruments to God's command to sing and make melody in our hearts is not sinful, as far as WE are concerned.

We justify instruments with "God didn't say not to." We believe that anything God does not condemn by name is fair game.

We believe that God's "silence" about anything is permissive.

We believe that if God thought instruments were sinful, He would tell us straight out and not be so "mysterious." We expect God to conform to OUR way of thinking. Therefore, if God tells us to sing but does not condemn instruments as such, then we WILL use them.

We require a specific, negative statement from God if He wants us to stop using instruments. Unless God says, "Thou shalt not worship Me with musical instruments," we WILL use instruments as much as we desire.

We believe that aiding, enhancing, and accompanying our voices with musical instruments is pleasing to God. We don't need the New Testament to back us up about that. We believe that God approves of anything and everything that makes US feel good and happy in worship.

We believe that God wants us to worship Him in any way that pleases US.

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April 19th, 2011, 3:42 am #32

According to 1 Cor. 4:6, we are not to go above what is written in Scripture. That is, we are not to add to, take from, or in any way alter God's commands as presented in the New Testament. To do so is sinful. If something about a command does not suit us and we tweak it so that it becomes more palatable to the masses, then that is sinful. Likewise, manufacturing taboos that are not present in the New Testament is also sinful.

For example, if a congregation decides to change its meeting time and someone condemns that change as sinful, that person sins, because the New Testament does not address meeting times. Likewise, condemning a change in the number of hymns sung or the order of worship is sinful, because the New Testament does not address those issues.

Pushing for denominationalism, some members of the Church of Christ claim that it is a sin to condemn anything that God does not explicitly forbid by name, despite the fact that God may have already addressed the issue.

For example, the New Testament specifies bread and fruit of the vine as the emblems for the Lord's Supper, yet some people advocate alternatives like pizza and soft drinks, because the New Testament does not forbid those items by name. The argument is that if God had wanted ONLY bread and fruit of the vine, He would have said not to use any other emblems. It's the old bit of "God didn't say not to." Because those people claim that condemning pizza and soft drinks is sinful, they manufacture a taboo that is not present in the New Testament. Hence, they sin.

A similar example involves instrumental music. Although Christ through Paul tells us to sing and make melody in our hearts (Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16), advocates of instruments claim that condemning instruments is sinful, because the New Testament does not explicitly condemn them by name. The argument is that if God had wanted ONLY vocal music, He would have said not to use any other forms of music. Again, it's the old bit of "God didn't say not to." Because those people claim that condemning instrumental music is sinful, they manufacture a taboo that is not present in the New Testament. Hence, they sin.

People who manufacture taboos to please themselves in worship are not willing to take Gods explicit commands in the New Testament and abide by them. They would have God make an extensive, exhaustive list of every conceivable item in the universe that is forbidden; without such a list, they do as they please. That, of course, is utterly ridiculous.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Dave,

I was hoping that you would limit the discussion to the specific topic above as there are numerous components involved in the study of instrumental music. But you ended up presenting your dissertation on "musical instruments."

I asked you a simple question regarding traditions: "There is no command, example or implication in the New Testament that inanimate and lifeless musical devices are to be used in the assembly of NT saints. Isn't that the tradition of Christ and His apostles?"

Your response was: "NO!!!"Absolutely NOT!"

Really, Dave?

It's been proven historically that the mechanical operation of musical devices and objects in the ASSEMBLY (gathering of NT saints) was not practised by the first century Christians. Otherwise, historians would have recorded such a "SIGNIFICANT" practice -- a MONUMENTAL issue in Christendom today. Can you think of other instances and events that actually occurred in the apostolic era and immediately after but were not recorded by the ever-so-forgetful historians and early church fathers?

Go right ahead and defend the man-made tradition of the "veneration of saints" since the Scripture does not say "NOT TO." Or the man-made tradition of the worship of the Virgin Mary because the Bible does not specifically object to such form of adoration.

Your assertion that the Scripture "certainly DOES NOT condemn" amounts to saying that "God authorizes that which the Scripture "DOES NOT SAY 'NOT TO.'"

In order for this discussion to be fruitful, you must be willing to accept the fact that churches of Christ DO NOT PRACTICE instrumental music in their assemblies. Otherwise, you are misleading the world by proclaiming the falsehood that the church of Christ of which you claim to be a member plays and operates musical devices in the assembly of saints. Be willing to admit that your OWN congregation DOES or DOES NOT mechanically operate any of those inanimate musical devices. Which is it???????[/color]
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April 19th, 2011, 3:49 am #33

Go ahead and make you jokes. My PC was not responding to my frantic pounding.
Rocnar must have been really upset to pound so much on the "Respond!" button. All it takes is just one click. Discussions about instrumental music DO make some denominationalists and denominational sympathizers lose their cool; they suffer temporary insanity. Just calm down and be patient.
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April 19th, 2011, 4:44 am #34

According to 1 Cor. 4:6, we are not to go above what is written in Scripture. That is, we are not to add to, take from, or in any way alter God's commands as presented in the New Testament. To do so is sinful. If something about a command does not suit us and we tweak it so that it becomes more palatable to the masses, then that is sinful. Likewise, manufacturing taboos that are not present in the New Testament is also sinful.

For example, if a congregation decides to change its meeting time and someone condemns that change as sinful, that person sins, because the New Testament does not address meeting times. Likewise, condemning a change in the number of hymns sung or the order of worship is sinful, because the New Testament does not address those issues.

Pushing for denominationalism, some members of the Church of Christ claim that it is a sin to condemn anything that God does not explicitly forbid by name, despite the fact that God may have already addressed the issue.

For example, the New Testament specifies bread and fruit of the vine as the emblems for the Lord's Supper, yet some people advocate alternatives like pizza and soft drinks, because the New Testament does not forbid those items by name. The argument is that if God had wanted ONLY bread and fruit of the vine, He would have said not to use any other emblems. It's the old bit of "God didn't say not to." Because those people claim that condemning pizza and soft drinks is sinful, they manufacture a taboo that is not present in the New Testament. Hence, they sin.

A similar example involves instrumental music. Although Christ through Paul tells us to sing and make melody in our hearts (Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16), advocates of instruments claim that condemning instruments is sinful, because the New Testament does not explicitly condemn them by name. The argument is that if God had wanted ONLY vocal music, He would have said not to use any other forms of music. Again, it's the old bit of "God didn't say not to." Because those people claim that condemning instrumental music is sinful, they manufacture a taboo that is not present in the New Testament. Hence, they sin.

People who manufacture taboos to please themselves in worship are not willing to take Gods explicit commands in the New Testament and abide by them. They would have God make an extensive, exhaustive list of every conceivable item in the universe that is forbidden; without such a list, they do as they please. That, of course, is utterly ridiculous.
Donnie, you said..."Your assertion that the Scripture "certainly DOES NOT condemn" amounts to saying that "God authorizes that which the Scripture "DOES NOT SAY 'NOT TO.'""

When you condone the use of a PA system, which isn't specifically authorized, you do the same.

When you have the chance, Donnie, tell Bill Crump about the story of ASSUMING.
Ok?

You and William and Ken keep to your ways and staying away from God's Ways. Continue to try and tear down these churches that you don't agree with, even the very church that you attend.
There has always been a foul stench that rises from this site. I finally know where it comes from. It is a sulfur smell.
Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liarsthey will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death

It is a curse that you have so well fought for. The one disclaimer that makes me laugh about this site.
""No one here will admonish anyone for worshipping God in what ever manner they believe to be correct."

That is an outright lie Donnie. Many have came here telling that they worship differently and they truly believe that their worship is acceptable.....and maybe you haven't admonished them as you said. You only merely just slandered them, reviled and accused them of being lost......definitely not an admonishment. You just skip the admonishment and go straight to judgment.
William, now ask me again about what I am ASSUMING.
I assume nothing. I KNOW that this site is evil and the lot of you are wolves in sheep's clothing. I also know, and many more know of your sanctimonious arrogance. It is why when people get to know you that they find out the pure definition of a narcissist.
Ken, about ruffling your feathers......don't like to get down to your level of degradation but nothing that comes out of your mouth is really worthwhile....and you needed to hear it. Ken, just wonder since no one else is worthy of your cult other than you....can one person actually constitute a cult.
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April 19th, 2011, 4:57 am #35

According to 1 Cor. 4:6, we are not to go above what is written in Scripture. That is, we are not to add to, take from, or in any way alter God's commands as presented in the New Testament. To do so is sinful. If something about a command does not suit us and we tweak it so that it becomes more palatable to the masses, then that is sinful. Likewise, manufacturing taboos that are not present in the New Testament is also sinful.

For example, if a congregation decides to change its meeting time and someone condemns that change as sinful, that person sins, because the New Testament does not address meeting times. Likewise, condemning a change in the number of hymns sung or the order of worship is sinful, because the New Testament does not address those issues.

Pushing for denominationalism, some members of the Church of Christ claim that it is a sin to condemn anything that God does not explicitly forbid by name, despite the fact that God may have already addressed the issue.

For example, the New Testament specifies bread and fruit of the vine as the emblems for the Lord's Supper, yet some people advocate alternatives like pizza and soft drinks, because the New Testament does not forbid those items by name. The argument is that if God had wanted ONLY bread and fruit of the vine, He would have said not to use any other emblems. It's the old bit of "God didn't say not to." Because those people claim that condemning pizza and soft drinks is sinful, they manufacture a taboo that is not present in the New Testament. Hence, they sin.

A similar example involves instrumental music. Although Christ through Paul tells us to sing and make melody in our hearts (Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16), advocates of instruments claim that condemning instruments is sinful, because the New Testament does not explicitly condemn them by name. The argument is that if God had wanted ONLY vocal music, He would have said not to use any other forms of music. Again, it's the old bit of "God didn't say not to." Because those people claim that condemning instrumental music is sinful, they manufacture a taboo that is not present in the New Testament. Hence, they sin.

People who manufacture taboos to please themselves in worship are not willing to take Gods explicit commands in the New Testament and abide by them. They would have God make an extensive, exhaustive list of every conceivable item in the universe that is forbidden; without such a list, they do as they please. That, of course, is utterly ridiculous.
Donnie.....last word here......you said "In order for this discussion to be fruitful, you must be willing to accept the fact that churches of Christ DO NOT PRACTICE instrumental music in their assemblies."

First and foremost it can never be a fruitful discussion with you men. Why? Because you abuse the Scripture time and time again. You wrongly judge. You sinfully tear down churches at this site, so it can never be a fruitful discussion until you repent of your sins.

AND......think of this.......and it is true whether you don't agree with it. Even if there is one church of Christ out there, and we know that there is, that uses instrumental music to worship God, then since the church is ONE church, then the church of Christ does in fact practice instrumental music in their assemblies. If that church faithfully adheres to the commandments of God (even though you don't believe they do) and worships with instruments, then your claim is a lie, for even if it is one.....they still are a part of and represent the brotherhood just as much as any other congregation does.

If you need Scripture to abuse further about one church........look it up. I really don't feel the need to do it for you so you can abuse that too.
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April 19th, 2011, 5:08 am #36

Given all that has been said about the unscriptural act of implementing instrumental music in Christian worship, those who are bent on having instruments might as well stamp the following "Statement of Defiance" on themselves:

STATEMENT OF DEFIANCE FOR PROPONENTS OF MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS

We follow the New Testament (except when it clashes with our personal preferences and desires).

We do not believe that 1 Cor. 4:6 literally means to stay within strict bounds of Scripture as far as God's commands are concerned. We believe that changing God's commands is NOT sinful, as long as the results bring US joy and hurt no one. Therefore, ADDING instruments to God's command to sing and make melody in our hearts is not sinful, as far as WE are concerned.

We justify instruments with "God didn't say not to." We believe that anything God does not condemn by name is fair game.

We believe that God's "silence" about anything is permissive.

We believe that if God thought instruments were sinful, He would tell us straight out and not be so "mysterious." We expect God to conform to OUR way of thinking. Therefore, if God tells us to sing but does not condemn instruments as such, then we WILL use them.

We require a specific, negative statement from God if He wants us to stop using instruments. Unless God says, "Thou shalt not worship Me with musical instruments," we WILL use instruments as much as we desire.

We believe that aiding, enhancing, and accompanying our voices with musical instruments is pleasing to God. We don't need the New Testament to back us up about that. We believe that God approves of anything and everything that makes US feel good and happy in worship.

We believe that God wants us to worship Him in any way that pleases US.
Dr. Crump, if a man speaks for God where God has not spoken, he is not above speaking for his peers as well.

I disagree with your logic but we already knew that.

Duty calls so I will be away for a couple of months.

Perhaps you and Ken can entertain each other.

Peace.
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April 19th, 2011, 6:22 am #37

Donnie.....last word here......you said "In order for this discussion to be fruitful, you must be willing to accept the fact that churches of Christ DO NOT PRACTICE instrumental music in their assemblies."

First and foremost it can never be a fruitful discussion with you men. Why? Because you abuse the Scripture time and time again. You wrongly judge. You sinfully tear down churches at this site, so it can never be a fruitful discussion until you repent of your sins.

AND......think of this.......and it is true whether you don't agree with it. Even if there is one church of Christ out there, and we know that there is, that uses instrumental music to worship God, then since the church is ONE church, then the church of Christ does in fact practice instrumental music in their assemblies. If that church faithfully adheres to the commandments of God (even though you don't believe they do) and worships with instruments, then your claim is a lie, for even if it is one.....they still are a part of and represent the brotherhood just as much as any other congregation does.

If you need Scripture to abuse further about one church........look it up. I really don't feel the need to do it for you so you can abuse that too.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Does your own home congregation of the church of Christ practice the use of any musical devices: piano, organ, guitar or flute, harp, sackbut? [I am not asking about certain individuals and their specific belief; rather, I am asking about the congregation as a whole.]

If true, then, I'll accept that fact.

If not true, then, you are accusing your own congregation of following a "man-made tradition<u>" [<u>using your own phraseology, Dave] of vocal singing only</u></u>
. And how can you keep your congregation away from this "man-made tradition" [again, your own assertion]?

That one or a few among the thousands of congregations of the church use mechanical music devices is not the point, and that doesn't make the entire body of Christ "instrumental." If you deny the truth that churches of Christ DO NOT use musical devices in their assemblies, it means that you are distorting the truth about the church, the body of Christ. It also means that denominational churches know more than you about the church of Christ not using instrumental music. ASK THEM. They know; you do not know.[/color]
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April 19th, 2011, 6:46 am #38

Donnie, you said..."Your assertion that the Scripture "certainly DOES NOT condemn" amounts to saying that "God authorizes that which the Scripture "DOES NOT SAY 'NOT TO.'""

When you condone the use of a PA system, which isn't specifically authorized, you do the same.

When you have the chance, Donnie, tell Bill Crump about the story of ASSUMING.
Ok?

You and William and Ken keep to your ways and staying away from God's Ways. Continue to try and tear down these churches that you don't agree with, even the very church that you attend.
There has always been a foul stench that rises from this site. I finally know where it comes from. It is a sulfur smell.
Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liarsthey will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death

It is a curse that you have so well fought for. The one disclaimer that makes me laugh about this site.
""No one here will admonish anyone for worshipping God in what ever manner they believe to be correct."

That is an outright lie Donnie. Many have came here telling that they worship differently and they truly believe that their worship is acceptable.....and maybe you haven't admonished them as you said. You only merely just slandered them, reviled and accused them of being lost......definitely not an admonishment. You just skip the admonishment and go straight to judgment.
William, now ask me again about what I am ASSUMING.
I assume nothing. I KNOW that this site is evil and the lot of you are wolves in sheep's clothing. I also know, and many more know of your sanctimonious arrogance. It is why when people get to know you that they find out the pure definition of a narcissist.
Ken, about ruffling your feathers......don't like to get down to your level of degradation but nothing that comes out of your mouth is really worthwhile....and you needed to hear it. Ken, just wonder since no one else is worthy of your cult other than you....can one person actually constitute a cult.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Dave,

Be careful about judging those who are hell-bound by your standards, especially the body of Christ. The church of Christ does not practice IM in the assembly -- you should know that by now -- and the body of Christ is NOT staying away from God's ways.

The PA system is not a musical instrument. A kindergarten knows that. Neither is a songbook, PowerPoint, projector. Let me know when you have invented a set of PA systems that create music or simulate a music device.

Reserve the expression "wolves in sheep's clothing" to the change agents operating in the brotherhood.[/color]
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April 19th, 2011, 1:17 pm #39

The problem on both sides of the issue is that they DENY Christ and are indeed ANTI-Christs and blasphemers by hiding from the fact that Christ defined the future REST in inclusive and exclusive terms. Peter affirms that Jesus Christ led by that same Spirit made the prophecies more certain. As Jesus commanded that "we teach that which HE commanded to be taught," in 2 Peter 1-2 Peter outlawed private interpretations or further expoundings: a MARK of a false teacher is that he does not teach "that which is written for our learning." Christ was EXPLICIT: we are just dumb and dumber.

Luke 11:48 Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers:
......for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres.
Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the WISDOM of God,
......I will send them prophets and apostles,
......and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Luke 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets,
......which was shed from the foundation of the world,
......may be required of this generation;
Luke 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias,
......which perished between the altar and the temple:
......verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

John 6:44 No man can come to me,
......except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
......and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:45 It is written in the prophets,
......And they shall be all taught of God.
......Every man therefore that hath heard,
......and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Baptism is the MARK or SEAL that one is a Disciple of Christ beginning in the Prophets. By being deliberately ignorant of the Prophets they blasphem the Spirit of Christ by denying that He outlawed all of the performing arts and crafts. They further blaspheme by claiming that their vain and evil imagination is the Spirit person speaking to them. Christ defined them in Jeremiah 23.

......Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
......and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Romans 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

Ephesians 2:20 And are built
......upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
......Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
......as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Heb. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners
......spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb. 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
......whom he hath appointed heir of all things,
......by whom also he made the worlds;

James 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord,
......for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

1Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently,
......who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time
......the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
......when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves,
......but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you
......by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost
......sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

God the One Father in heaven made Jesus of Nazareth to be both Lord and Christ. When the father "breathed" on Jesus as the Son (Word) it was articulated into audible words. Jesus commanded that we teach that which HE commanded to be taught: if they cannot understand that then it is a MARK that God hides himself from the WISE (Sophists: preachers, singers, players, actors) and Jesus will not PRAY for those of the WORLD:

kosmos , metaph., of ornaments of speech, such as epithets, Id.9.9 (pl.), Arist.Rh.1408a14, Po.1457b2, 1458a33; hadumel k. keladein to sing sweet songs of praise, Pi.O.11 (10).13 (s.v.l.).
Pind. O. 11 My tongue wants to foster such themes; [10] but it is by the gift of a god that a man flourishes with a skillful mind, as with anything else. For the present rest assured, Hagesidamus son of Archestratus: for the sake of your boxing victory,
...... I shall loudly sing a sweet song, an adornment for your garland of golden olive,
...... [15] while I honor the race of the Western Locrians.
There, Muses, join in the victory-song; I shall pledge my word to you that we will find there a race that does not repel the stranger, or is inexperienced in fine deeds, but one that is wise and warlike too.


2Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
...... whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,
......as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
......until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
......is of any private interpretation. (further expounding)
2Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
......but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2Pet. 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets,
......and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
Donnie, you said "...you are accusing your own congregation of following a "man-made tradition" [using your own phraseology, Dave] of vocal singing only. And how can you keep your congregation away from this "man-made tradition" [again, your own assertion]?

Donnie, the following is what I said on Monday. You saw it, but just like always you PREFERRED to ignore it (you're the kind of person that can't listen because you are thinking about what you want to say next)

--NO!!! April 18 2011, 12:05 PM--
"The tradition of a capella is not in of itself wrong. The sin lies when men like you want to make one man-made tradition sacred over another one."

Same ole Donnie, just a different day.

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April 19th, 2011, 1:49 pm #40

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Dave,

Be careful about judging those who are hell-bound by your standards, especially the body of Christ. The church of Christ does not practice IM in the assembly -- you should know that by now -- and the body of Christ is NOT staying away from God's ways.

The PA system is not a musical instrument. A kindergarten knows that. Neither is a songbook, PowerPoint, projector. Let me know when you have invented a set of PA systems that create music or simulate a music device.

Reserve the expression "wolves in sheep's clothing" to the change agents operating in the brotherhood.[/color]
Dave seems to imply that "God's ways" include instrumental music in Christian worship. I don't recall having seen that explicitly written in the New Testament. I guess that's of no concern to the change agents. Not only does Dave manufacture taboos (that it's a "sin" to condemn instrumental music), but he would also have us believe that his ways are God's ways. I think we'll continue to follow the New Testament as written. Apparently God's true ways are really NOT Dave's ways. If they were, Dave wouldn't be desperately lobbying for instrumental music in Christian worship.

We had these and many other discussions about IM at FaithSite. There, Dave was in seventh heaven among the numerous liberals; but here, he's miserable and says this site "stinks." Dave does have his buddies, Fred and Rocnar, to comfort him.

BTW, I see that Dave is still driving his useless, one-track train (get it?) about PA systems.
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