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June 13th, 2014, 5:01 am #571

Original Message <font face="times" size="3">(June 11 2012 at 3:32 AM):</font>

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[color=#000000" size="5" face="times]Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision"[/color]
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Last month the elders announced Madison's new "vision" that approves the use of instrumental music. If someone wrote about this I didn't see it.

They said that using instruments is not a "salvation issue". Both services will use acappella music for now, but the first service will now get a praise team like the second service. And the second service will have more creative worship.

But the youth group gets to start using instrumental music. They said light acoustical instruments.

This seems like a huge change so I was surprised not to see it here yet.


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[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]We've heard from the author who is a long-time member of Madison and would like to be identified as "MCC-Torn" [... and appropriately so].[/color]
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[color=#0000FF" size="5" face="times]Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision": Cymbals, Psalteries, Harps ANATHEMA
By Ken Sublett[/color]



Heritage Church of Christ following the ACU pattern has imposed what he calls instrumental music.

http://www.piney.com/Heritage.Church.of ... Music.html

Jim Hackney led by the NACC at ACU gives his "proof texts" all of which are lies because he does not know the context.

http://www.piney.com/Jim.Hackney.Instru ... rship.html

The expression "having cymbals and psalteries and harps" is not a pattern for Christian worship: it is defined as the worship of Apollo (abaddon, Apollyon) and Dionysus first outed at Mount Sinai. If God turned them over to worship the starry host, and scholars agree that the Jews worshipped the starry host on their way back to Babylon, why do you suppose that latter day elders fulfil the warning of Paul against wolves and violently impose the same patternism: Who knows? both the Shadow and any Bible student knows.

http://www.piney.com/Having.Cymbals.and ... s.and.html
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]This was posted earlier (June 3 2014, 3:55 AM):[/color]
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]As promised, the "worship guide" showed the attendance records for:

May 18, 2014 ...... 1396 (preceding the "instrumental music")
May 25, 2014 ...... 1358 (during the recorded instrumental music)
June 1, 2014 ...... ___ (the week after instrumental)

Attendance and giving records for Sunday, June 1 should be printed in the June 8 worship guide.
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[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Then, Bubble Burster had this to say (June 3 2014, 10:00 AM):[/color]
Not bust your "I finally got them doing instrumental music" bubble.....BUT the "instrumental Music" your think you heard while singing the last praise song on May 25 was not "instrumental" at all. It was prerecorded vocal percussion...meaning done with vocals, one might say by plucking the heart strings. The vocal percussion was then played back using a loop pedal. Sorry but keep digging. But again reporting facts is not y'all's strong suit in the first place.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Question: Is "loop pedal" a musical machine?[/color]
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Question: Is using a loop pedal the same as using a musical machine or instrument?

So, whether it was: (a) prerecorded instrumental music; (b) prerecorded simulated instrumental music; or (c) prerecorded loop-pedaled, played back vocal percussion with the intent to deceive ... here's the report for June 1 (from the June 8 W.G.):

May 18, 2014 ...... 1396 (preceding the "instrumental music")
May 25, 2014 ...... 1358 (during the recorded instrumental music)
June 1, 2014 ...... 1393 (the week after instrumental-sounding music)

BTW, the "prerecorded vocal percussion ... played back using a loop pedal" event/incident on May 25 did not occur again on June 1, 2014.[/color]
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Scipture
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June 13th, 2014, 1:27 pm #572

Most are fairly sure that the attendance for Sunday after the threatening sermon is inflated. Attendance was 100 or more less. Most attendants themselves
know three or four that have left the Madison congregation. Conservative estimates are that the attendance has lost 50--or more.
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June 13th, 2014, 4:06 pm #573

Three Annie-Mouse Viper Bites DElooped.
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June 13th, 2014, 4:24 pm #574

Most are fairly sure that the attendance for Sunday after the threatening sermon is inflated. Attendance was 100 or more less. Most attendants themselves
know three or four that have left the Madison congregation. Conservative estimates are that the attendance has lost 50--or more.
Once you begin to lie TO God and ABOUT God it is a little thing to lie about attendance. In the past they have counted those in JAIL which was over 300 at one time. Now, the count undoubtedly includes both the MOTHER and the DAUGHTER wing.

When this thing began the HEAD elder said that they had about 5000 members and had lost only about 50 after the bewitch and betrayal. So, maybe the 5000 the Tennessean reported is less than a thousand. In addition, a lot of these have been attracted by the Look-and-Lust butterflies who rarely sell their car to give to the "lord."

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Bill
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June 13th, 2014, 4:40 pm #575

Most are fairly sure that the attendance for Sunday after the threatening sermon is inflated. Attendance was 100 or more less. Most attendants themselves
know three or four that have left the Madison congregation. Conservative estimates are that the attendance has lost 50--or more.
So they fudged the figures to lessen the effect the proverbial "rats leaving the sinking ship" might have on the gullible. The ultimate aim of these so-called progressive churches is to rid the house of all dissenters (AKA stuffy old traditionalists) and have a congregation filled with young folks who are thoroughly brainwashed in worshiptaiment, who won't raise the infernal regions about it.
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June 13th, 2014, 4:42 pm #576

Once you begin to lie TO God and ABOUT God it is a little thing to lie about attendance. In the past they have counted those in JAIL which was over 300 at one time. Now, the count undoubtedly includes both the MOTHER and the DAUGHTER wing.

When this thing began the HEAD elder said that they had about 5000 members and had lost only about 50 after the bewitch and betrayal. So, maybe the 5000 the Tennessean reported is less than a thousand. In addition, a lot of these have been attracted by the Look-and-Lust butterflies who rarely sell their car to give to the "lord."

Scipture (sic) is the one spreading the hearsay. Ze seems to be a bit out of it today.
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Joined: January 2nd, 2005, 6:45 am

June 13th, 2014, 4:47 pm #577

Most are fairly sure that the attendance for Sunday after the threatening sermon is inflated. Attendance was 100 or more less. Most attendants themselves
know three or four that have left the Madison congregation. Conservative estimates are that the attendance has lost 50--or more.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The count of 1358 on May 25 was prior to the "threatening sermon." Since there were many that left the assembly prior to and DURING the "musical percussion," there should have been a recount of those remaining. (A count of 100 less is not unrealistic.)

"Most are fairly sure..." indicates that members are keenly observing. The attendance of 1393 on June 1 was surprising ... considering emptier pews.

And that was just prerecorded instrumental music simulation (or musical stimulation "for the fun" of it).

Well, can you imagine when the piano and the musical machine operator finally arrrive?[/color]
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Joined: January 2nd, 2005, 6:45 am

June 13th, 2014, 5:03 pm #578

Scipture (sic) is the one spreading the hearsay. Ze seems to be a bit out of it today.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Sarge,

Please identify yourself first before you do the "(sic)"; otherwise, you may be known as "Annie Mouse" [ ].

We're discussing the effects of musical worship. If you wish, refute the analysis or argument presented.[/color]
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Joined: January 2nd, 2005, 6:45 am

June 13th, 2014, 5:16 pm #579

So they fudged the figures to lessen the effect the proverbial "rats leaving the sinking ship" might have on the gullible. The ultimate aim of these so-called progressive churches is to rid the house of all dissenters (AKA stuffy old traditionalists) and have a congregation filled with young folks who are thoroughly brainwashed in worshiptaiment, who won't raise the infernal regions about it.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]It's possible that those folks drinking coffee or watching the screens in the "Church Mall" were counted twice or thrice.

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Annie Mouse
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June 13th, 2014, 6:37 pm #580

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The count of 1358 on May 25 was prior to the "threatening sermon." Since there were many that left the assembly prior to and DURING the "musical percussion," there should have been a recount of those remaining. (A count of 100 less is not unrealistic.)

"Most are fairly sure..." indicates that members are keenly observing. The attendance of 1393 on June 1 was surprising ... considering emptier pews.

And that was just prerecorded instrumental music simulation (or musical stimulation "for the fun" of it).

Well, can you imagine when the piano and the musical machine operator finally arrrive?[/color]
Just what dragon are you wanting to slay? Ken bundled MUSIC into (tuneful singing and IM). Neither is commanded per Ken. "Music" is not authorized. Right Ken?

Trip wires are everywhere. Just be still and let it happen.
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