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It's already been advertised that Madison's instrumental music campaign has begun with the kids. You could say that was a FACT.
If change agents report that FACT, it is lauded as newsworthy; if CM reports that FACT, it is condemned as "gossip and sin."
Matthew 23No doubt the Pharisees and Sadducees in Jesus' day would have branded Jesus a "gossip" when He said of them:
"Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees" (Matt. 16:6b KJV). Jesus was warning His disciples to beware the false doctrines of the Sadducees and Pharisees. He was doing what He later had Paul write in Romans 16:17--to MARK and AVOID them. Likewise, to emulate Jesus, we here at CM warn others to MARK and AVOID the change agents who teach doctrines that are not found in the New Testament.
Yes, the Pharisees and other Jewish leaders of Jesus' day would have branded Him a "gossip" because Jesus warned of their unscriptural "leaven," whether it was hypocrisy or anything else in the wrong. Again, we at CM emulate Jesus and warn others against the unscriptural "leaven" of the change agents. When we mark and avoid the change agents, they erroneously call that "gossip"; we call that doing exactly what the New Testament tells us to do.Matthew 23
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A Warning Against Hypocrisy
23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other peoples shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5 Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called Rabbi by others.
8 But you are not to be called Rabbi, for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth father, for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
I did not come here because I enjoy fussing and fighting or taking sides with other church members. This is pretty much a last gasp at communicating with someone or anyone who still cares about the ruining of a once great congregation.Donnie asked..."Why are you afraid to identify yourself?"
Can we talk about B?
Can you say double standard?
THIS IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO LEARNING GOD'S TRUTH.
"B" [is not necessarily a good ID, but it] ... is as acceptable as "D" for Dave, e.g., and it is better than "Anonymous." No, there is no "double standard."
"Gossip is sin" [or "St. Louis Cardinals" that you tried to use] is not a personal identity -- it is a topic. On the other hand, "MCC-Torn" is not a topic -- it is a VERY personal and sincere identity of a member at Madison, the author of this thread.
TO OTHERS: Please do not respond to this obstruction and diversion. THIS IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO LEARNING GOD'S TRUTH.
We have posted an e-mail from a lady attending The Tulsa Workshop. The ACappella (goat singer) totally embarassed her. The Musical Worship Minister gets a lot of press even among instrumental churches which MARKS them as the rise of the PAGAN THESIS against whom Jesus spoke His ANTI thesis.Original Message <font face="times" size="3">(June 11 2012 at 3:32 AM):</font>
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<table border="0" width="98%" align="center"><tr><td>[color=#000000" size="5" face="times]Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision"[/color][color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Last month the elders announced Madison's new "vision" that approves the use of instrumental music. If someone wrote about this I didn't see it.
They said that using instruments is not a "salvation issue". Both services will use acappella music for now, but the first service will now get a praise team like the second service. And the second service will have more creative worship.
But the youth group gets to start using instrumental music. They said light acoustical instruments.
This seems like a huge change so I was surprised not to see it here yet.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]NOTE:The information above has been submitted anonymously. Meanwhile, we have opted to substitute "Concerned" for "Anonymous" as the name. The message remains unedited.
[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]We've heard from the author who is a long-time member of Madison and would like to be identified as "MCC-Torn" [... and appropriately so].[/color]
[color=#0000FF" size="5" face="times]Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision": Cymbals, Psalteries, Harps ANATHEMA
By Ken Sublett[/color]
Heritage Church of Christ following the ACU pattern has imposed what he calls instrumental music.
http://www.piney.com/Heritage.Church.of ... Music.html
Jim Hackney led by the NACC at ACU gives his "proof texts" all of which are lies because he does not know the context.
http://www.piney.com/Jim.Hackney.Instru ... rship.html
The expression "having cymbals and psalteries and harps" is not a pattern for Christian worship: it is defined as the worship of Apollo (abaddon, Apollyon) and Dionysus first outed at Mount Sinai. If God turned them over to worship the starry host, and scholars agree that the Jews worshipped the starry host on their way back to Babylon, why do you suppose that latter day elders fulfil the warning of Paul against wolves and violently impose the same patternism: Who knows? both the Shadow and any Bible student knows.
http://www.piney.com/Having.Cymbals.and ... s.and.html