Madison's New (Instrumental) 'Vision'

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August 23rd, 2012, 12:22 pm #41

This is gossip, which is sin.
To Gossip:

Ask how MCC-Torn, a member at Madison, feels about the transformation going on at the congregation. It may not be long when "Madison Church
of Christ" drops His name. Is Madison Church in competition with the neighboring Cornerstone Church, a Community Church?

Why not write to the Christian Chronicle and continue to report what it has already reported: the Richland Hills Church of Christ [now "The Hills Church of Christ"] and the Oak Hills Church [formerly "of Christ"] doing the "instrumental" vision? The "Christian" Chronicle's "gossip" -- a sin [correct?] == has already "sinned" that many times, according to you.
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August 23rd, 2012, 1:30 pm #42

If anyone exposes the unscriptural practices and doctrines of the change agents, they howl that doing so is "gossip and sin." But the change agents conveniently dismiss Romans 16:17:

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them" (KJV).
Is this going to be another 10 year event where no one bothers to talk with the elders? "B", you are a "dapper dan" kind of guy. Why don't you meet with the Madison elders and bring back some FACTS!
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August 23rd, 2012, 1:53 pm #43

To Gossip:

Ask how MCC-Torn, a member at Madison, feels about the transformation going on at the congregation. It may not be long when "Madison Church
of Christ" drops His name. Is Madison Church in competition with the neighboring Cornerstone Church, a Community Church?

Why not write to the Christian Chronicle and continue to report what it has already reported: the Richland Hills Church of Christ [now "The Hills Church of Christ"] and the Oak Hills Church [formerly "of Christ"] doing the "instrumental" vision? The "Christian" Chronicle's "gossip" -- a sin [correct?] == has already "sinned" that many times, according to you.
If outside media announce that a former church of Christ congregation has dropped the name "of Christ" and now engages in instrumental music or other unscriptural practices, the change agents laud that as "newsworthy." If, however, this CM site announces the same thing, the change agents condemn that as "gossip and sin."

Now I believe there's a name for that. Oh, yes. It's called a DOUBLE STANDARD.
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Gossip Is Sin
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August 23rd, 2012, 8:12 pm #44

To Gossip:

Ask how MCC-Torn, a member at Madison, feels about the transformation going on at the congregation. It may not be long when "Madison Church
of Christ" drops His name. Is Madison Church in competition with the neighboring Cornerstone Church, a Community Church?

Why not write to the Christian Chronicle and continue to report what it has already reported: the Richland Hills Church of Christ [now "The Hills Church of Christ"] and the Oak Hills Church [formerly "of Christ"] doing the "instrumental" vision? The "Christian" Chronicle's "gossip" -- a sin [correct?] == has already "sinned" that many times, according to you.
Reporting a church has dropped the name OF CHRIST from Church of Christ is not gossip but a fact whether by the Christian Chronicle or Concerned Members forum. The following section by Donnie is not reporting a fact but is gossip which is sin. Donnie shall continue a decade plus hobby of gossip under the cloak of Romans 16:17.



Do you think the leadership wasn't ready at the time to start using Brent's IM abilities?

I believe Keith Lancaster was dismissed because he was controversial -- he introduced the very controversial (at the time) Baptist CHOIR in the church, a.k.a. the "Praise Team." Keith [still] owns the Acappella Ministries organization.

I was very certain that George Pendergrass would be here to stay -- he also was[?] associated with Keith's Acappella Ministries. But his employment with a company in downtown Nashville was considered a "conflict of interest" while he was Madison's "worship leader." [Not sure which employment came first.]



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August 23rd, 2012, 8:37 pm #45

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[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Last month the elders announced Madison's new "vision" that approves the use of instrumental music. If someone wrote about this I didn't see it.

They said that using instruments is not a "salvation issue". Both services will use acappella music for now, but the first service will now get a praise team like the second service. And the second service will have more creative worship.

But the youth group gets to start using instrumental music. They said light acoustical instruments.

This seems like a huge change so I was surprised not to see it here yet.


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Heritage Church of Christ following the ACU pattern has imposed what he calls instrumental music.

http://www.piney.com/Heritage.Church.of ... Music.html

Jim Hackney led by the NACC at ACU gives his "proof texts" all of which are lies because he does not know the context.

http://www.piney.com/Jim.Hackney.Instru ... rship.html

The expression "having cymbals and psalteries and harps" is not a pattern for Christian worship: it is defined as the worship of Apollo (abaddon, Apollyon) and Dionysus first outed at Mount Sinai. If God turned them over to worship the starry host, and scholars agree that the Jews worshipped the starry host on their way back to Babylon, why do you suppose that latter day elders fulfil the warning of Paul against wolves and violently impose the same patternism: Who knows? both the Shadow and any Bible student knows.

http://www.piney.com/Having.Cymbals.and ... s.and.html
Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone [grinders prostitutes muses] shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

The musical performers DECEIVED the whole world:

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs [Cynic praise singers], and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

You cannot say that "Music is not condemned in the Bible" without deceiving others because of strong delusions or self delusion marked by the rise of the BEAST which has many heads (singing heads) making music to silence the Word of Jesus.

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August 23rd, 2012, 9:45 pm #46

Is this going to be another 10 year event where no one bothers to talk with the elders? "B", you are a "dapper dan" kind of guy. Why don't you meet with the Madison elders and bring back some FACTS!
It's already been advertised that Madison's instrumental music campaign has begun with the kids. You could say that was a FACT.

If change agents report that FACT, it is lauded as newsworthy; if CM reports that FACT, it is condemned as "gossip and sin."

DOUBLE STANDARD
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August 23rd, 2012, 10:16 pm #47

Reporting a church has dropped the name OF CHRIST from Church of Christ is not gossip but a fact whether by the Christian Chronicle or Concerned Members forum. The following section by Donnie is not reporting a fact but is gossip which is sin. Donnie shall continue a decade plus hobby of gossip under the cloak of Romans 16:17.



Do you think the leadership wasn't ready at the time to start using Brent's IM abilities?

I believe Keith Lancaster was dismissed because he was controversial -- he introduced the very controversial (at the time) Baptist CHOIR in the church, a.k.a. the "Praise Team." Keith [still] owns the Acappella Ministries organization.

I was very certain that George Pendergrass would be here to stay -- he also was[?] associated with Keith's Acappella Ministries. But his employment with a company in downtown Nashville was considered a "conflict of interest" while he was Madison's "worship leader." [Not sure which employment came first.]


It is not surprising that the change agents go ballistic and brand those who expose their abominable, worldly, unscriptural practices as "gossips." The change agents despise being "marked" and "avoided" according to Romans 16:17, so they lash out and scream, "Gossip! Sin!" It's nothing but a lame defense mechanism.
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August 24th, 2012, 2:55 am #48

Reporting a church has dropped the name OF CHRIST from Church of Christ is not gossip but a fact whether by the Christian Chronicle or Concerned Members forum. The following section by Donnie is not reporting a fact but is gossip which is sin. Donnie shall continue a decade plus hobby of gossip under the cloak of Romans 16:17.



Do you think the leadership wasn't ready at the time to start using Brent's IM abilities?

I believe Keith Lancaster was dismissed because he was controversial -- he introduced the very controversial (at the time) Baptist CHOIR in the church, a.k.a. the "Praise Team." Keith [still] owns the Acappella Ministries organization.

I was very certain that George Pendergrass would be here to stay -- he also was[?] associated with Keith's Acappella Ministries. But his employment with a company in downtown Nashville was considered a "conflict of interest" while he was Madison's "worship leader." [Not sure which employment came first.]


To "Gossip Is Sin":

Why are you afraid to identify yourself? "Gossip Is Sin" is a topic or subject matter than can be discussed. That's hardly an identity about anybody. But if that's how you want to be identified, I don't have a problem with that -- I'll address your as "Gossip."

OK, straighten my "facts" out regarding:

  • (1) "Brent's IM abilities"? (That was a question you could have answered YES or NO.)
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  • (2) Keith Lancaster -- ("I believe..." is an opinion = freedom of speech; else [Praise Team or Acappella Ministries] is accurate info.)
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  • (3) George Pendergrass -- confidential info. regarding his other employment was received from one of your liberal friends.</li>


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August 24th, 2012, 5:08 am #49

Original Message <font face="times" size="3">(June 11 2012 at 3:32 AM):</font>

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[color=#000000" size="5" face="times]Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision"[/color]
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Last month the elders announced Madison's new "vision" that approves the use of instrumental music. If someone wrote about this I didn't see it.

They said that using instruments is not a "salvation issue". Both services will use acappella music for now, but the first service will now get a praise team like the second service. And the second service will have more creative worship.

But the youth group gets to start using instrumental music. They said light acoustical instruments.

This seems like a huge change so I was surprised not to see it here yet.


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[color=#000000" size="3" face="times]We've heard from the author who is a long-time member of Madison and would like to be identified as "MCC-Torn" [... and appropriately so].[/color]
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[color=#0000FF" size="5" face="times]Madison's New (Instrumental) "Vision": Cymbals, Psalteries, Harps ANATHEMA
By Ken Sublett[/color]



Heritage Church of Christ following the ACU pattern has imposed what he calls instrumental music.

http://www.piney.com/Heritage.Church.of ... Music.html

Jim Hackney led by the NACC at ACU gives his "proof texts" all of which are lies because he does not know the context.

http://www.piney.com/Jim.Hackney.Instru ... rship.html

The expression "having cymbals and psalteries and harps" is not a pattern for Christian worship: it is defined as the worship of Apollo (abaddon, Apollyon) and Dionysus first outed at Mount Sinai. If God turned them over to worship the starry host, and scholars agree that the Jews worshipped the starry host on their way back to Babylon, why do you suppose that latter day elders fulfil the warning of Paul against wolves and violently impose the same patternism: Who knows? both the Shadow and any Bible student knows.

http://www.piney.com/Having.Cymbals.and ... s.and.html
Donnie asked..."Why are you afraid to identify yourself?"

Can we talk about B?

Can you say double standard?

THIS IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO LEARNING GOD'S TRUTH.


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Dave,

"B" [is not necessarily a good ID, but it] ... is as acceptable as "D" for Dave, e.g., and it is better than "Anonymous." No, there is no "double standard."

"Gossip is sin" [or "St. Louis Cardinals" that you tried to use] is not a personal identity -- it is a topic. On the other hand, "MCC-Torn" is not a topic -- it is a VERY personal and sincere identity of a member at Madison, the author of this thread.

TO OTHERS: Please do not respond to this obstruction and diversion. THIS IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO LEARNING GOD'S TRUTH.
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August 24th, 2012, 12:24 pm #50

Reporting a church has dropped the name OF CHRIST from Church of Christ is not gossip but a fact whether by the Christian Chronicle or Concerned Members forum. The following section by Donnie is not reporting a fact but is gossip which is sin. Donnie shall continue a decade plus hobby of gossip under the cloak of Romans 16:17.



Do you think the leadership wasn't ready at the time to start using Brent's IM abilities?

I believe Keith Lancaster was dismissed because he was controversial -- he introduced the very controversial (at the time) Baptist CHOIR in the church, a.k.a. the "Praise Team." Keith [still] owns the Acappella Ministries organization.

I was very certain that George Pendergrass would be here to stay -- he also was[?] associated with Keith's Acappella Ministries. But his employment with a company in downtown Nashville was considered a "conflict of interest" while he was Madison's "worship leader." [Not sure which employment came first.]


No doubt the Pharisees and Sadducees in Jesus' day would have branded Jesus a "gossip" when He said of them:

"Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees" (Matt. 16:6b KJV). Jesus was warning His disciples to beware the false doctrines of the Sadducees and Pharisees. He was doing what He later had Paul write in Romans 16:17--to MARK and AVOID them. Likewise, to emulate Jesus, we here at CM warn others to MARK and AVOID the change agents who teach doctrines that are not found in the New Testament.

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