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September 4th, 2014, 1:53 am #11

Scripture noted: "The current digression is a rebirth of the failed international."

Maybe you can fill us in on the details.
Similarity of recent changes with failed International Church of Christ...
Top-Down Organization with all change ideas coming from top
Robbing Churches of Christ of their members
New beliefs
Group coercion could be simular to discipling
Making church growth the only goal

Of course there are some great differences as well
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September 4th, 2014, 2:03 am #12

David Young wrote a book on Extreme Discipleship.

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Extrem ... Jesus.html

Consistent with the Hope Network of Lynn Anderson a favorite of LU's present leaders is:

Question: "What is heavy shepherding?"
Answer: “Heavy shepherding” (also referred to as the “Discipleship Movement”) is a method of psychological control used by abusive churches and cults. It came out of the Shepherding Movement of the 1970s. The International Churches of Christ from the Boston Movement is perhaps the most well-known group that practices heavy shepherding. Another infamous group to come out of the Shepherding Movement was Christian Grown Ministries in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Heavy shepherding churches and cults can be identified by the following practices:
• Submission to “discipleship partners” or “shepherds” and those in authority
• Obligation to confess sin to “discipleship partners” or “shepherds”
• Unquestioning loyalty and obedience to all those in authority
• Obligation to intensively recruit others to join the movement
• Authoritarian leadership and group experience
• Conformity to the movement’s standards
• Spiritual manipulation and intimidation
• Hierarchical system of accountability
• Legalism and control over members
• Prohibition against reading any literature not approved by the leadership
• Whistle-blowing on members suspected of being nonconformists
• Total dependence on the movement and the leaders for approval
• Fear of punishment or humiliation for questioning the leadership


Read more:
http://www.gotquestions.org/heavy-sheph ... z3CJ6arbrv


David Young expects 35% participation: this automatically creates a "sectarian" split between the dedicated and the not insiders.

The worst cult might very well be Scientology if you want to be really scared.

Collapsing the entire teaching program to a common theme is a sneaky way to indoctrinate the entire church.

Church growth has traditionally come from well taught and dedicated teachers who are no compromised by the church hierarchy...
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September 4th, 2014, 6:18 pm #13

From my time at North Boulevard Church of Christ the elders have supported and endorsed Joseph Shulam: so called Messianic Jew.

Joseph.Shulam.Early.Believers.Worshipped.at.Temple

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Earl ... emple.html

That's False: they went to the COURT YARDS to preach the Word and CONFRONT the Jews.

http://www.piney.com/Joe.Shulam.First.C ... Model.html

http://www.piney.com/www.piney.com/Joe. ... Model.html

http://www.piney.com/Messianic.Jews.not ... ulfil.html

Joseph has worked many churches of Christ by claiming that Jesus is the messiah. However, they do not believe that Jesus as the Christ "destroyed the Jew's covenant with death and hell." They claim that NEW TESTAMENT or NEW COVENANT does not appear in the New Testament as a Bible. The New Covenant of the Prophets is simply the finishing work of the OLD TESTAMENT or TORAH. Torah means a law but the Law of Christ is not the Torah of Moses imposed on the Jews BECAUSE of musical idolatry of the trinity (Anti-Christ as defined by John). Therefore, THEY live by the Law of Moses while the godly Jews lived under the only spiritual covenant made by God in Christ to ABRAHAM. They attended church or synagogue to QUARANTINE the from Jerusalem which Jesus calls SODOM and the Mother of Harlots.

There is blasphemy and the ultimate of blasphemy supported by Lipscomb University and North Boulevard Church of Christ. Joe says that no one can understand the Bible without Jewish blood being ever so diluted flowing from one dispersed Jewish mother in some of the countries.






We have noted that the Lipscomb powers allow those to BUY and SELL marks of the prophesied End time:

The MERCHANTS (corrupters of the Word) either TEACH or AFFIRM by participating the use of what they call "instrumental music in worship."

Long time Endorsement of Edward Fudge who claims some honor in destroying church of Christ "distinctives" (a lie word) as instrumental music.

Edward Fudge is a man of fame for making "for ever and ever" and "in this world and the world (aion) to come" mean just a short for ever and ever.

He denies and the "buy and sell approved list" must AFFIRM the historic or traditional or Before.Me Age that the Spirit as recorded and preserved for thousands of years just didn't know what He (God) was talking about.

HOWEVER, we have asserted the fact that using INSTRUMENTAL MACHINES FOR MAKING NOISE which dissociates the mind (sorcery) and Makes Jesus the Lamb and all of their collectivized PAYING AUDIENCE dumb before the slaughter is the CAUSE or MARK of God removing His LAMPS in preparation for CASTING THEM ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

The SOUNDS--LIKE HARPS and other PANIC-CREATING SOUNDS they claim is "a" spirit's command for them to impose instrumental performance within CONTEXT shows that it is a SIGN OF JUDGMENT, TIME IS SHORT, SO PREACH THE GOSPEL which includes no music or Musicators.


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September 4th, 2014, 8:40 pm #14

Upgraded Part A
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September 5th, 2014, 3:38 pm #15

Scripture mentioned, "...Traditional protections in the COC protecting personal freedom are replaced by 21 and 40 day programs developed to extract money from the pew member."

Is Scripture on same line and level as K. Sublett now, with Ken shooting down the fleecers, and Scripture going down the same road (extract instead of fleece)?
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September 5th, 2014, 5:58 pm #16

I am trying to catch up with Scripture and he needs to post more because he is a disciple.

Too bad that you haven't gotten your FLIGHT FEATHERS yet.
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September 5th, 2014, 6:10 pm #17

Scripture mentioned, "...Traditional protections in the COC protecting personal freedom are replaced by 21 and 40 day programs developed to extract money from the pew member."

Is Scripture on same line and level as K. Sublett now, with Ken shooting down the fleecers, and Scripture going down the same road (extract instead of fleece)?
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]One being in agreement with another on ALL issues simply does not happen -- that's common knowledge.

You did bring up one statement by Scripture regarding 21- and 40-day programs. Do you agree or disagree with the statement? Is any of these programs [developed especially by Community Church and denominational movers, e.g., Rick Warren, et al] being introduced, endorsed or implemented in your congregation? [/color]
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September 5th, 2014, 7:10 pm #18

Watch your church carefully.

Do strange creed suddenly appear?

Are there unexplained pauses and reversals of direction?

Does the preacher threaten to throw out the baby with the bath water?

Normally when unexplained events occur, they contain the clues necessary to understand the entire operation.

If the church you attend is not transparent, begin to worry.
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September 5th, 2014, 9:42 pm #19

Scripture mentioned, "...Traditional protections in the COC protecting personal freedom are replaced by 21 and 40 day programs developed to extract money from the pew member."

Is Scripture on same line and level as K. Sublett now, with Ken shooting down the fleecers, and Scripture going down the same road (extract instead of fleece)?
Scripture (Ze) is Ken's yes man (person). It won't last long. LOL!
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September 5th, 2014, 11:35 pm #20

We both finished remedial reading grade 6. I will bet that we both agree that the Spirit OF Christ is not a little person who functions as His mind.

We probably also agree that a WORD is not a people but what a people speaks.
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