Lee Strobel School of Christian Thought (willowcreek North Boulevard Church of Christ)

Lee Strobel School of Christian Thought (willowcreek North Boulevard Church of Christ)

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October 13th, 2014, 2:55 am #1

Lee Strobel at North Boulevard Church of Christ School Of Christian Thought

http://www.piney.com/Lee.Strobel.North. ... hrist.html

2 Cor. 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Lee Strobel from the Willow Creek heresy imitated by the Promise Keepers Cult.

Spiritual Formation as in Lectio Divina speaks of a female sorcerer or hag.,

They have no trouble fooling the foolish because they DENY the Logos or Regulative principle which OUTLAWS fleecing people to bring in people speaking out of their own imagination just to SEE GODLINESS AS A MEANS OF FINANCIAL GAIN.

2Cor. 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
2Cor. 10:5 Casting down imaginations,and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

scĭentĭa a knowing or being skilled in any thing, knowledge, science, skill, expertness, = cognitio, eruditio oratio
oratoris autem omnis actio opinionibu
mŏvĕo A. Lit.: “movit et ad certos nescia membra modos,” Tib. 1, 7, 38: “ut festis matrona moveri jussa diebus,” to dance,
to disturb: “novis Helicona cantibus,” a. To excite, occasion, cause, promote, produce; to begin, commence, undertake:
undertake any thing that excites disturbance,

People will do anything to keep from having to obey the command from the wilderness onward to PREACH the Word by READING the Word for comfort and doctrine. That is the one-piece pattern and going beyond makes one a CULT.




Jeff Walling Youth Leadership Initiative

http://www.piney.com/Jeff.Walling.Youth ... ative.html

Jeff Walling is the latest team member of the Pepperdine COHORT Purp;ose Driven to TRANSISTION young preachers into apostasy into all of the things Churches of Christ have always rejected based on Scripture and NOT on theologians or doctors of the law who take away the key to knowledge.

Rick Gibson speaking for Pepperdine University.

As we prepare the future of Bible Lectures and Church Relations at Pepperdine,
Mike Cope and I are committed to doing all we can to build a network around and supportive programs for these young preachers.

Though they have freed themselves from sectarian constrains, many have chosen to stay with their churches. At least for now.

In the coming years, churches of Christ will need to respond, demonstrably, to the Restoration cry coming from this young generation and in so doing may restore their full role of influence in the unfolding Christian story.


The NETWORK is called the COHORT and I can hardly wait to tell you about the PERSONA and ASSASSIN meaning of a COHORT. Tim Spivey calls Mike Cope a SAMURAI who was the ASSASSIN of the nobility but were really country bumpkins.

Christ in Isaiah 58 said that the way to restore the OLD PATHS was NOT to seek your own pleasure or speak your own words. Paul passed reading 101aa and told the self-pleasure speakers, singers, instrument players, actors, dancers to be SILENT so that they could "use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our LEARNING." That is the ONLY purpose of a Christ-Driven Synagogue (the name of the assembly is not church).

Jesus and the Apostles DID THAT and defined anyone who FURTHER EXPOUNDS it is MARKED as a false teacher INTENDING to divert people away from Jesus and the Word (Logos or regulative principle)

It is a Purpose Driven Lie to say that Churches of Christ have never violated the direct command and all examples for the Church in the wilderness as SYNAGOGUE which defines the ASSEMBLY while Ekklesia speaks of indivitual believers command NOT to attend a "kingdom which comes with observation" meaning religious rituals defining Lying Wonders.

They lie because most of the people can be fooled most of the time but Churches of Christ were never joined with the Disciple-Christian churches in any sense. Attending assemblies of Baptist, Methodists, Presbyterians or the REFORMED BAPTISTS (Campbell) BEFORE denominational organization and FEES or the Organ (only we promise).

If anyone blogs or preaches that Churches of Christ SECTED out of the Disciples of Christ in 1906 just tell them that LIARS who along with the "dogs" and singing-playing Sorcerers THEY WILL BE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.<b></b> Contrary to Lipscomb-Edward Fudge "forever and forever" means forever and forever.

The Christian Church or NACC didn't begin to begin until 1927 and were finally removed from the Rolls of the Disciples in 1971 at which time the Stone-Campbell Movement lie began the second attack on anyone who would not bow to the use of instrumental idolatry which, at Mount Sinai, was a sin beyond redemption

In early 2015 the semi-finalists will be invited to participate in a two-day regional training event in their area with Jeff Walling and other preaching coaches from the region. At the conclusion of the training event they will present their messages again. Four finalists will be offered another session of personal training and will receive teaching resources including software, books as well as a yearlong mentoring relationship with an active leading preacher.

Each finalist will be given an opportunity to speak at various events such as the North American Christian Convention,
The Tulsa Workshop,
Lipscomb University’s Summer Celebration,
The Pepperdine Bible Lectures
and the Winterfest Youth Conferences.


The SPIRIT Rick Atchley and others heard telling them that the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites as the PATTERN were called soothsayer-sorcerers-exorcists is named ABADDON OR APOLLYON. He EMERGED to help the Church of the Babylon Mother of harlots use "lusted after fruits" as Craftsmen (parasites), singers and instrument players John calls SORCERERS identifying the original Babylon Mother of harlots or the Queen of Heaven worshipped by women and emasculated men (Christ says in Isaiah 3).

Apollon is the LEADER of the Muses or his "musical worship team" at Delphi, Corinth and other places. The MUSES and GRACES were blue-eyed blond dirty prostitutes as the SHEPHERDESSES of the Church of Abaddon.

Because the once-Christian universities defend the KAIROS church planting of all kinds of churches it is appropriate to tell them that KAIROS is the DEMON son of Zeus as antithesis to Christian School of the Word. He comes at the OPPORTUNE TIME to launch a final attack because HE KNOWS THAT HIS TIME IS SHORT.

If any one from Lipscomb has any insight into the New Lipscomb involved in Ignatian Retreats where Lectio Divina is defined as witchcraft or a Hag Fortune Teller and uses material praising Mary the Mother of Gods.

If Lipscomb plans to USE the New Spawn of Preachers does that mean that they endorse the NACC? Maybe some student will contact us: time is short. I don't find it strange that no one at Lipscomb especially the false teachers have no need to respond to the posting of the TEXT IN CONTEXT to say that they are not interested in the Scriptures which is their ONLY basis for accepting food and shelter. It doesn't matter because Jesus same to seek and save LOST SPIRITS and God hides from the wise or sophists: rhetoric for HIRE, singers or instrument players. MANY (most) are called or invited but FEW (almost none) are chosen because they DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM within His Word. Only 120 alive in Jerusalem as the promised RESERVED REMNANT became disciples while most were pilgrims and obeyed the command to GO with no need for Pepperdine's Organization for Pastoral Rule over a community meaning commune.





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October 16th, 2014, 3:28 pm #3

Ken,
You are too talented for Concerned Members. You should take these tales and combine for a super SciFi adventure. It would make for a great series. Who knows....possibly a movie deal.
Just a thought...


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[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]FYI: Unedited post above was submitted by David Fields.[/color]
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October 16th, 2014, 4:33 pm #4

Lee Strobel at North Boulevard Church of Christ School Of Christian Thought

http://www.piney.com/Lee.Strobel.North. ... hrist.html

2 Cor. 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Lee Strobel from the Willow Creek heresy imitated by the Promise Keepers Cult.

Spiritual Formation as in Lectio Divina speaks of a female sorcerer or hag.,

They have no trouble fooling the foolish because they DENY the Logos or Regulative principle which OUTLAWS fleecing people to bring in people speaking out of their own imagination just to SEE GODLINESS AS A MEANS OF FINANCIAL GAIN.

2Cor. 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
2Cor. 10:5 Casting down imaginations,and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

scĭentĭa a knowing or being skilled in any thing, knowledge, science, skill, expertness, = cognitio, eruditio oratio
oratoris autem omnis actio opinionibu
mŏvĕo A. Lit.: “movit et ad certos nescia membra modos,” Tib. 1, 7, 38: “ut festis matrona moveri jussa diebus,” to dance,
to disturb: “novis Helicona cantibus,” a. To excite, occasion, cause, promote, produce; to begin, commence, undertake:
undertake any thing that excites disturbance,

People will do anything to keep from having to obey the command from the wilderness onward to PREACH the Word by READING the Word for comfort and doctrine. That is the one-piece pattern and going beyond makes one a CULT.




Jeff Walling Youth Leadership Initiative

http://www.piney.com/Jeff.Walling.Youth ... ative.html

Jeff Walling is the latest team member of the Pepperdine COHORT Purp;ose Driven to TRANSISTION young preachers into apostasy into all of the things Churches of Christ have always rejected based on Scripture and NOT on theologians or doctors of the law who take away the key to knowledge.

Rick Gibson speaking for Pepperdine University.

As we prepare the future of Bible Lectures and Church Relations at Pepperdine,
Mike Cope and I are committed to doing all we can to build a network around and supportive programs for these young preachers.

Though they have freed themselves from sectarian constrains, many have chosen to stay with their churches. At least for now.

In the coming years, churches of Christ will need to respond, demonstrably, to the Restoration cry coming from this young generation and in so doing may restore their full role of influence in the unfolding Christian story.


The NETWORK is called the COHORT and I can hardly wait to tell you about the PERSONA and ASSASSIN meaning of a COHORT. Tim Spivey calls Mike Cope a SAMURAI who was the ASSASSIN of the nobility but were really country bumpkins.

Christ in Isaiah 58 said that the way to restore the OLD PATHS was NOT to seek your own pleasure or speak your own words. Paul passed reading 101aa and told the self-pleasure speakers, singers, instrument players, actors, dancers to be SILENT so that they could "use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our LEARNING." That is the ONLY purpose of a Christ-Driven Synagogue (the name of the assembly is not church).

Jesus and the Apostles DID THAT and defined anyone who FURTHER EXPOUNDS it is MARKED as a false teacher INTENDING to divert people away from Jesus and the Word (Logos or regulative principle)

It is a Purpose Driven Lie to say that Churches of Christ have never violated the direct command and all examples for the Church in the wilderness as SYNAGOGUE which defines the ASSEMBLY while Ekklesia speaks of indivitual believers command NOT to attend a "kingdom which comes with observation" meaning religious rituals defining Lying Wonders.

They lie because most of the people can be fooled most of the time but Churches of Christ were never joined with the Disciple-Christian churches in any sense. Attending assemblies of Baptist, Methodists, Presbyterians or the REFORMED BAPTISTS (Campbell) BEFORE denominational organization and FEES or the Organ (only we promise).

If anyone blogs or preaches that Churches of Christ SECTED out of the Disciples of Christ in 1906 just tell them that LIARS who along with the "dogs" and singing-playing Sorcerers THEY WILL BE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.<b></b> Contrary to Lipscomb-Edward Fudge "forever and forever" means forever and forever.

The Christian Church or NACC didn't begin to begin until 1927 and were finally removed from the Rolls of the Disciples in 1971 at which time the Stone-Campbell Movement lie began the second attack on anyone who would not bow to the use of instrumental idolatry which, at Mount Sinai, was a sin beyond redemption

In early 2015 the semi-finalists will be invited to participate in a two-day regional training event in their area with Jeff Walling and other preaching coaches from the region. At the conclusion of the training event they will present their messages again. Four finalists will be offered another session of personal training and will receive teaching resources including software, books as well as a yearlong mentoring relationship with an active leading preacher.

Each finalist will be given an opportunity to speak at various events such as the North American Christian Convention,
The Tulsa Workshop,
Lipscomb University’s Summer Celebration,
The Pepperdine Bible Lectures
and the Winterfest Youth Conferences.


The SPIRIT Rick Atchley and others heard telling them that the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites as the PATTERN were called soothsayer-sorcerers-exorcists is named ABADDON OR APOLLYON. He EMERGED to help the Church of the Babylon Mother of harlots use "lusted after fruits" as Craftsmen (parasites), singers and instrument players John calls SORCERERS identifying the original Babylon Mother of harlots or the Queen of Heaven worshipped by women and emasculated men (Christ says in Isaiah 3).

Apollon is the LEADER of the Muses or his "musical worship team" at Delphi, Corinth and other places. The MUSES and GRACES were blue-eyed blond dirty prostitutes as the SHEPHERDESSES of the Church of Abaddon.

Because the once-Christian universities defend the KAIROS church planting of all kinds of churches it is appropriate to tell them that KAIROS is the DEMON son of Zeus as antithesis to Christian School of the Word. He comes at the OPPORTUNE TIME to launch a final attack because HE KNOWS THAT HIS TIME IS SHORT.

If any one from Lipscomb has any insight into the New Lipscomb involved in Ignatian Retreats where Lectio Divina is defined as witchcraft or a Hag Fortune Teller and uses material praising Mary the Mother of Gods.

If Lipscomb plans to USE the New Spawn of Preachers does that mean that they endorse the NACC? Maybe some student will contact us: time is short. I don't find it strange that no one at Lipscomb especially the false teachers have no need to respond to the posting of the TEXT IN CONTEXT to say that they are not interested in the Scriptures which is their ONLY basis for accepting food and shelter. It doesn't matter because Jesus same to seek and save LOST SPIRITS and God hides from the wise or sophists: rhetoric for HIRE, singers or instrument players. MANY (most) are called or invited but FEW (almost none) are chosen because they DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM within His Word. Only 120 alive in Jerusalem as the promised RESERVED REMNANT became disciples while most were pilgrims and obeyed the command to GO with no need for Pepperdine's Organization for Pastoral Rule over a community meaning commune.





It is probably blasphemy and certainly ANTI-Biblical to build on the foundation of an Atheists-book seller to sell The School of Christian Thought. Lee Strobel has CHRIST'S VIEWS in a book or lecture form on all of the topics.

http://www.piney.com/Lee.Strobel.North. ... hrist.html

A Christian is a Disciple who is a Student who is commanded to teach what Jesus commanded to be taught. That is defined as being in the Prophets and Apostles. The command is to PREACH the Word by READING the Word because of the fatal danger of failing of the elders to TEACH THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT.

Repudiating Jesus Christ and building on the foundation of POP BOOK WRITERS falls under the folly Paul warned about: LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.


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October 18th, 2014, 4:58 pm #5

Lee Strobel at North Boulevard Church of Christ School Of Christian Thought

http://www.piney.com/Lee.Strobel.North. ... hrist.html

2 Cor. 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Lee Strobel from the Willow Creek heresy imitated by the Promise Keepers Cult.

Spiritual Formation as in Lectio Divina speaks of a female sorcerer or hag.,

They have no trouble fooling the foolish because they DENY the Logos or Regulative principle which OUTLAWS fleecing people to bring in people speaking out of their own imagination just to SEE GODLINESS AS A MEANS OF FINANCIAL GAIN.

2Cor. 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
2Cor. 10:5 Casting down imaginations,and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

scĭentĭa a knowing or being skilled in any thing, knowledge, science, skill, expertness, = cognitio, eruditio oratio
oratoris autem omnis actio opinionibu
mŏvĕo A. Lit.: “movit et ad certos nescia membra modos,” Tib. 1, 7, 38: “ut festis matrona moveri jussa diebus,” to dance,
to disturb: “novis Helicona cantibus,” a. To excite, occasion, cause, promote, produce; to begin, commence, undertake:
undertake any thing that excites disturbance,

People will do anything to keep from having to obey the command from the wilderness onward to PREACH the Word by READING the Word for comfort and doctrine. That is the one-piece pattern and going beyond makes one a CULT.




Jeff Walling Youth Leadership Initiative

http://www.piney.com/Jeff.Walling.Youth ... ative.html

Jeff Walling is the latest team member of the Pepperdine COHORT Purp;ose Driven to TRANSISTION young preachers into apostasy into all of the things Churches of Christ have always rejected based on Scripture and NOT on theologians or doctors of the law who take away the key to knowledge.

Rick Gibson speaking for Pepperdine University.

As we prepare the future of Bible Lectures and Church Relations at Pepperdine,
Mike Cope and I are committed to doing all we can to build a network around and supportive programs for these young preachers.

Though they have freed themselves from sectarian constrains, many have chosen to stay with their churches. At least for now.

In the coming years, churches of Christ will need to respond, demonstrably, to the Restoration cry coming from this young generation and in so doing may restore their full role of influence in the unfolding Christian story.


The NETWORK is called the COHORT and I can hardly wait to tell you about the PERSONA and ASSASSIN meaning of a COHORT. Tim Spivey calls Mike Cope a SAMURAI who was the ASSASSIN of the nobility but were really country bumpkins.

Christ in Isaiah 58 said that the way to restore the OLD PATHS was NOT to seek your own pleasure or speak your own words. Paul passed reading 101aa and told the self-pleasure speakers, singers, instrument players, actors, dancers to be SILENT so that they could "use one mind and one mouth to speak that which is written for our LEARNING." That is the ONLY purpose of a Christ-Driven Synagogue (the name of the assembly is not church).

Jesus and the Apostles DID THAT and defined anyone who FURTHER EXPOUNDS it is MARKED as a false teacher INTENDING to divert people away from Jesus and the Word (Logos or regulative principle)

It is a Purpose Driven Lie to say that Churches of Christ have never violated the direct command and all examples for the Church in the wilderness as SYNAGOGUE which defines the ASSEMBLY while Ekklesia speaks of indivitual believers command NOT to attend a "kingdom which comes with observation" meaning religious rituals defining Lying Wonders.

They lie because most of the people can be fooled most of the time but Churches of Christ were never joined with the Disciple-Christian churches in any sense. Attending assemblies of Baptist, Methodists, Presbyterians or the REFORMED BAPTISTS (Campbell) BEFORE denominational organization and FEES or the Organ (only we promise).

If anyone blogs or preaches that Churches of Christ SECTED out of the Disciples of Christ in 1906 just tell them that LIARS who along with the "dogs" and singing-playing Sorcerers THEY WILL BE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.<b></b> Contrary to Lipscomb-Edward Fudge "forever and forever" means forever and forever.

The Christian Church or NACC didn't begin to begin until 1927 and were finally removed from the Rolls of the Disciples in 1971 at which time the Stone-Campbell Movement lie began the second attack on anyone who would not bow to the use of instrumental idolatry which, at Mount Sinai, was a sin beyond redemption

In early 2015 the semi-finalists will be invited to participate in a two-day regional training event in their area with Jeff Walling and other preaching coaches from the region. At the conclusion of the training event they will present their messages again. Four finalists will be offered another session of personal training and will receive teaching resources including software, books as well as a yearlong mentoring relationship with an active leading preacher.

Each finalist will be given an opportunity to speak at various events such as the North American Christian Convention,
The Tulsa Workshop,
Lipscomb University’s Summer Celebration,
The Pepperdine Bible Lectures
and the Winterfest Youth Conferences.


The SPIRIT Rick Atchley and others heard telling them that the Jacob-cursed and God-abandoned Levites as the PATTERN were called soothsayer-sorcerers-exorcists is named ABADDON OR APOLLYON. He EMERGED to help the Church of the Babylon Mother of harlots use "lusted after fruits" as Craftsmen (parasites), singers and instrument players John calls SORCERERS identifying the original Babylon Mother of harlots or the Queen of Heaven worshipped by women and emasculated men (Christ says in Isaiah 3).

Apollon is the LEADER of the Muses or his "musical worship team" at Delphi, Corinth and other places. The MUSES and GRACES were blue-eyed blond dirty prostitutes as the SHEPHERDESSES of the Church of Abaddon.

Because the once-Christian universities defend the KAIROS church planting of all kinds of churches it is appropriate to tell them that KAIROS is the DEMON son of Zeus as antithesis to Christian School of the Word. He comes at the OPPORTUNE TIME to launch a final attack because HE KNOWS THAT HIS TIME IS SHORT.

If any one from Lipscomb has any insight into the New Lipscomb involved in Ignatian Retreats where Lectio Divina is defined as witchcraft or a Hag Fortune Teller and uses material praising Mary the Mother of Gods.

If Lipscomb plans to USE the New Spawn of Preachers does that mean that they endorse the NACC? Maybe some student will contact us: time is short. I don't find it strange that no one at Lipscomb especially the false teachers have no need to respond to the posting of the TEXT IN CONTEXT to say that they are not interested in the Scriptures which is their ONLY basis for accepting food and shelter. It doesn't matter because Jesus same to seek and save LOST SPIRITS and God hides from the wise or sophists: rhetoric for HIRE, singers or instrument players. MANY (most) are called or invited but FEW (almost none) are chosen because they DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM within His Word. Only 120 alive in Jerusalem as the promised RESERVED REMNANT became disciples while most were pilgrims and obeyed the command to GO with no need for Pepperdine's Organization for Pastoral Rule over a community meaning commune.





God commands that the Scriptures be PREACHED by being READ during our REST time. The reason is that man's imagination is evil and he will dilute, repackage and resell even the "free water of the Word" claiming that they are NOT blaspheming the Holy Spirit OF Christ.

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October 19th, 2014, 1:31 am #6

Ken,
You are too talented for Concerned Members. You should take these tales and combine for a super SciFi adventure. It would make for a great series. Who knows....possibly a movie deal.
Just a thought...


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[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]FYI: Unedited post above was submitted by David Fields.[/color]
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Dave,

I'm looking for you to refute Ken's findings with findings of your own. Don't be afraid. Also, don't be ashamed to claim [sign] any of your own posts.[/color]
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October 19th, 2014, 1:41 am #7

God commands that the Scriptures be PREACHED by being READ during our REST time. The reason is that man's imagination is evil and he will dilute, repackage and resell even the "free water of the Word" claiming that they are NOT blaspheming the Holy Spirit OF Christ.

I have noted that Jesus said that truth had been hidden in parables from the professionals from the foundation of the world.

Moses wrote as a RESULT of the fall from grace and back to the ancient tribalism of the "Jews" from whom God rescued Abraham with the ONLY spiritual Covenant made by God in Christ.

CAIN is derived from a musical MARK and he tells the story of the Agriculturists at the foot of Mount Hermon used by Enoch to tell the same story. Agriculturists were located and when the rains dried up the developed WORKS rituals and began to CALL THEMSELVES God (Chalal, halal) and performed sexual fertility rites to force the gods to get aroused and bless them. Gone-dry and panic-stricken churches do the same thing when the FLOCK turns up as "empty pews." Didn't Rick Atchley have to debate the law of silence with three empty chairs.

Abel-Seth and other Pastoral people lifed up on the sides of Mount Hermon removed from the Gate of Hell (the PAN TEMPLE) and when the grass dried up they could move and therefore did not let the world's FIRST PROFESSIONAL get the job of priest or prophesier combined with the SECOND OLDEST profession.

You remember that the Tent God promised David but SOLOMON built God a HOUSE in which he does not fit? The messagein parables to hide from the parasites is that Jehovah the only true elohim is PORTABLE: He is not chained to the pulpit in a house with a priesthood who must make certain that He is always there. You cannot HOUSE with God but you must TABERNACLE with Him (in Him we live, move and have our being: he is not as supposed a bit smarter than Rick Atchley)

ALL religious music is called SORCERY or WITCHCRAFT and it is used and abused to the criminal stage to bind the flock to the ALPHA MALE whose major occupation is to keep all of the other males of the flock on the back pews.

Back to the Beginning of Tribalism

Parkes, Henry Bamford Parkes in Gods and Men The Origins of Western Culture, p. 29, Knopf notes that in pagan cultures magical techniques for solving certain problems developed so that:

"In this fashion every common tribal interest--the recurrence of the seasons, the increase of the food supply, successful hunting--was likely to become embodied

in some regularly repeated ceremony, which usually included group dancing, singing, and feasting.

Besides enabling men to express, and thereby to allay, anger and anxiety, such ceremonies also promoted tribal unity and strengthened the loyalty of the individual to tribal traditions, for the emotional excitement they aroused had the effect of breaking down the barriers between individuals and thus fusing all tribesmen into a collective whole.

Meanwhile, whole systems of magical devices were gradually elaborated."

'Certain members of a tribe, marked out either by unusual skills or by some emotional abnormality, usually became particularly adept at these operations, and gradually assumed specialized functions.

Released from the duty of hunting, and concentrating on the practice of magic, the shaman, sorcerer, or medicine man was the world's first professional."

"The development both of religion and of the arts can be traced back in a continuous line to the hunting era.

The group ritual of the primeval tribesmen were the origin not only of all religious ceremonial, but also of the drama and of poetry and music, while magic gave birth to the visual arts." (Parkes, p. 30).

"Awed by the mysteries of his own spirit no less than by those of nature, primitive man was likely to attribute to divine influence

any abnormal emotional state, whether above or below the usual level. Medicine men customarily went into states of trance in which they were believed to be in communication with the gods,

and many tribes supposed lunatics and sexual deviants to be divinely possessed.

In most early societies, moreover, men evolved techniques for deliberately inducing the abnormal forms of consciousness in which they supposed themselves to achieve union with divine power, sometimes by the use of drugs and other physiological stimuli, sometimes by hypnotic dances and music.

The wild utterances to which they gave vent on such occasions were regarded as the words of a god and were interpreted as divine commands or predictions of future events." (Parkes, p. 32-33).
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October 20th, 2014, 10:29 pm #8

Donnie said "Dave, I'm looking for you to refute Ken's findings with findings of your own. Don't be afraid. Also, don't be ashamed to claim [sign] any of your own posts."

I have, in times past, and many times, refuted Ken's findings as being false. Thus, he is a false teacher.
1-He has called ALL singing to be sinful. God's Word says otherwise.

You can refute this Donnie, as you have done so many times, but that just condemns you also.

You cannot deny this, even if you try.


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October 22nd, 2014, 2:37 am #9

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Dave, you didn't sign/claim your post. When I did a Google search on the word "anonymous" ... it showed about 62,000,000 results in some 20 seconds. Well, my 2003 computer is extremely slow and is probably inaccurate. LOL.

It's a better discussion when you refute someone's findings with findings of your own.

You may have "refuted" Ken's findings "many times" in the past. Refuted? I think there's a colossal difference between: (a) making negative comments and (b) presenting proof or evidence based on research.

"ALL singing to be sinful"? Where did you get that? Actually the theme of this thread is not about "singing." You may need to read the initial post.

If you insist on the 4-letter word "sing" as a root word/syllable, it is used in the these expressions (above):

-- "singers"
-- "singing-playing"
-- "dancing, singing, and feastings"

I get it: you're confusing "singing" with the expressions I just listed. You may be confusing "singing" with "music."[/color]

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October 23rd, 2014, 2:05 pm #10

You can and continue to protect Ken, to your detriment. THE SINGING, that YOU do anywhere in worship to the Lord, a capella (non-instrumental and/or four part harmony) is condemned by Ken. He does so against the very Word of God. So you and Ken can sound cute with your word roots and definitions, but you are still wrong.
THEY SANG. The same singing that YOU DO on Sundays. If you condemn singing, along with Ken, and yet you sing then you are not only sinning because you go against the Word of God, but also because you are a hypocrite.
Ken attests to the reasoning that singing in the NT was not singing as a melody where you actually vibrate your vocal chords.

Colosians 3

Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts.

It speaks of songs, but more importantly it states of SINGING those songs, not just speaking them.
So go on about singing those songs in your heart, the halels, and Jesus not singing a hymn either, and Paul not SINGING in prison, but you are still wrong. THEY SANG.


You see Donnie, you are sounding like your friends of this liberal generation that believe you can't make negative comments because you are passing judgment on them.
Sinning in it's basic nature is wrong.....

Sometimes people just have to be taught the basics.


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[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]FYI: above unedited post by Anonymous was submitted by Dave Fields.[/color]
Last edited by madisonchurchofchrist on October 24th, 2014, 3:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
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