Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

Korean Church of Christ singing and Videao lessons

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January 9th, 2013, 8:45 pm #1

Teaching congregational singing has gotten the attention of several groups in Korea.

http://m.bible.kr/acapella.htm
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January 11th, 2013, 6:26 am #2

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Congregational singing when the saints assemble may be a losing art or skill among a few "progressive" and denomination-driven, apostatizing churches of Christ. When the "Praise Team" [a.k.a. "Church of Christ" Baptist CHOIR] DOMINATES, the congregants become dependent upon the CHOIR doing the singing for them. The Praise Team concept is performance-driven, especially when the song books are no longer in use and when the words are displayed on the big screen without musical notes. Oh, those handheld microphones -- I just wonder what the Lord thinks about the NOISE. [Is God deaf? Does God hear the Praise Team instead of the overpowered congregants who are without the microphones?]

Worse yet is when contemporary "Christian" music, written with instrumental music and the "Christian rock" performing artist in mind, is sung as a "praise" song by the congregation. The congregants experience the P.T.D.S. Yes, it is a spiritual anomaly (disease) a.k.a. the Praise Team Dependency Syndrome. Is it a wonder that contemporary pieces are noted for this composition or 7/11 style: repeat a line of 7 words 11 times? And when music is too complicated (by design), only the Praise Team can perform it well.

Substitute instrumental music for the Praise Team. What would be the difference?

So, what can apostatizing churches learn from the Korean church concerning congregational singing?[/color]
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January 15th, 2013, 2:10 pm #3

Teaching congregational singing has gotten the attention of several groups in Korea.

http://m.bible.kr/acapella.htm
Donnie said "Substitute instrumental music for the Praise Team. What would be the difference?"

The praise team is a capella. It wouldn't actually be a valid substitution Donnie. if you substitute the instrumental music for the praise team, then you don't have anyone singing. Even with contemporary Christian music, you have singing.

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January 16th, 2013, 4:31 am #4

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]You are correct, Dave [next time ... for the readers' sake, identify yourself and own your message -- don't be shy].

There's no argument that the man-organized "Praise Team" in the "progressive/liberal" Church of Christ is a cappella. However, when you identify a special group of singers performing on stage [or in the front rows] with their individual microphones as a "Praise Team," you imply that the congregants are not part of the organized, worship-rehearsing "Praise Team."

You're correct, Dave. The "Praise Team" is God's "special" singers. The congregants are NOT members of the "Praise Team."

Does your congregation where you serve as an elder have a "Praise Team"? If not, how is your singing, anyway?[/color]
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January 16th, 2013, 6:27 am #5

Donnie said "Substitute instrumental music for the Praise Team. What would be the difference?"

The praise team is a capella. It wouldn't actually be a valid substitution Donnie. if you substitute the instrumental music for the praise team, then you don't have anyone singing. Even with contemporary Christian music, you have singing.

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Dave Fields______
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[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]That's a remarkable assertion, Dave Fields.

What about "with contemporary Christian RAP music"?

The Praise Team is comprised of both men and WOMEN who "serve" as co-worship leaders. NOTE: WOMEN leading "worship."

Not long ago at Madison , there were 2 ladies "in pants" co-leading with the men on stage -- each one had a handheld microphone performing before the congregation. The following Sunday, same "worship" act on stage with the ladies in pants. [Rocky, I said: "ladies in pants." ] What a sight in a "Church of Christ" assembly!!! (Never mind that it is not uncommon in Charismatic Churches.)

Dave, would you invite Amy Grant or Michael W. Smith or Chris Tomlin or Rebecca St. James, et al, to perform "contemporary Christian music" at your congregation? You know, they can really sing, and you have singing.[/color]
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January 16th, 2013, 1:45 pm #6

Teaching congregational singing has gotten the attention of several groups in Korea.

http://m.bible.kr/acapella.htm
Whatever you want to say Donnie....you don't want to learn...you have an agenda....a tradition to uphold....your own and one not of our Lord's. Going round and round in circles.
Since you are into man-made traditions, then I will give you a man-made saying.

Albert Einstein said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

William Crump, this would be a good place to ask me about proving where the completed Word of God (66 books) is complete.

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January 16th, 2013, 6:07 pm #7

Well, we know Dave never could show us where the Scriptures say the biblical canon is limited to 66 books. That's because God never said that--Dave and other men did. Therefore, this thing about 66 books is nothing but man-made tradition, to which Dave ardently subscribes.

So before Dave razzes Donnie and others about the evils of following man-made traditions, he needs to strengthen his own weak theology by first purging it of those same man-made traditions.
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January 16th, 2013, 11:00 pm #8

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Congregational singing when the saints assemble may be a losing art or skill among a few "progressive" and denomination-driven, apostatizing churches of Christ. When the "Praise Team" [a.k.a. "Church of Christ" Baptist CHOIR] DOMINATES, the congregants become dependent upon the CHOIR doing the singing for them. The Praise Team concept is performance-driven, especially when the song books are no longer in use and when the words are displayed on the big screen without musical notes. Oh, those handheld microphones -- I just wonder what the Lord thinks about the NOISE. [Is God deaf? Does God hear the Praise Team instead of the overpowered congregants who are without the microphones?]

Worse yet is when contemporary "Christian" music, written with instrumental music and the "Christian rock" performing artist in mind, is sung as a "praise" song by the congregation. The congregants experience the P.T.D.S. Yes, it is a spiritual anomaly (disease) a.k.a. the Praise Team Dependency Syndrome. Is it a wonder that contemporary pieces are noted for this composition or 7/11 style: repeat a line of 7 words 11 times? And when music is too complicated (by design), only the Praise Team can perform it well.

Substitute instrumental music for the Praise Team. What would be the difference?

So, what can apostatizing churches learn from the Korean church concerning congregational singing?[/color]
The Preacher's Files
Sermon outlines, Bible Studies, Audio Sermons and more by preachers for the church of Christ.
By Mike Riley

Is The Bible Complete?

Additionally, James 1:25 states, But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. The word perfect in this passage is translated from the Greek word, teleios which signifies having reached its end (telos), finished, complete, perfect. In James 1:25, the word is referring to the complete revelation of Gods will and ways, whether in the completed Scriptures or in the hearafter (Vines, 1996, p. 466).

I left out a few paragraphs from Mr. Riley because I had already posted the whole file PLUS B (William Crump) and everyone else had seen the whole file too.


William Crump (B)
How about grousing and purging on that?



Understanding your narcissistic personality, I do understand why you continue to wage war on anyone who questions you B.

Tom Brite hit the nail on the head.....doesn't matter your civilian status, but what is in your heart.

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January 17th, 2013, 2:55 am #9

Well, we know Dave never could show us where the Scriptures say the biblical canon is limited to 66 books. That's because God never said that--Dave and other men did. Therefore, this thing about 66 books is nothing but man-made tradition, to which Dave ardently subscribes.

So before Dave razzes Donnie and others about the evils of following man-made traditions, he needs to strengthen his own weak theology by first purging it of those same man-made traditions.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]I do not recall having initiated a man-made tradition in Christ's church. But I know of a man-made, pope- or Roman Catholic Church-approved tradition, i.e., blowing the trumpet, playing the piano or flute or harp or sackbut (Daniel 3) in the assembly. That's really man-made tradition that Dave would like to practice; but so far as I know, it's not [yet] happening in the congregation he "shepherds."[/color]
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January 17th, 2013, 3:29 am #10

Dave seems to think that a cappella singing in churches of Christ is a man-made tradition. He still can't grasp the fact that God specifies vocal music in the New Testament and stops there. Dave also can't grasp the fact that the man-made tradition lies in ADDING instrumental music when God only specifies vocal music.

Oh yeah, another man-made tradition that Dave follows is the business about 66 books.
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