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November 6th, 2012, 12:16 am #31

Wayne Jackson Jesus in the form of God.

http://www.piney.com/Wayne.Jackson.Jesu ... f.God.html

The Spirit OF Christ defined the meaning of GOD: nothing which the New Testament writers in any way disturbs the facts:



Keith D. Stanglin at Harding seems to follow the "navigating the winds of change scheme."

http://www.piney.com/Keith.D.Stanglin.H ... Music.html

He weaves back and forth by defending 'a cappella' and then weaves to the Instrumental Worship groups denying that there is any command against instruments.

This is material supplied with an "exam" and it is pretty certain that no student is going to challenge his wavering views. He endorses the Stone-Campbell Movement which seeks UNITY but fails to mention that this is the old Leroy Garrett folly begun just after the NACC finally got delisted from the Disciples in 1971.

Mark E. Powell at Harding Graduate School will present a Seminar on the TRINITY.

http://www.piney.com/Mark.E.Powell.Semi ... inity.html

My first part of the review will be looking at the PROOF TEXTS from "scholarly" published world and then quote the ACTUAL church father to prove that they did not think of a trinity.

There is GOD and God has a SPIRIT or WISDOM or breath and when He speaks wordS those spoken wordS are always called the preexisting SON of God. He builds on the Foundation of John Mark hicks the major sowing of discord in the community church idea and musical worship teams


He uses his co-conspirator John Mark Hicks and a host of books on the Trinity. I



David was an unwitting prophet in some Messianic Psalms. Psalm 51 contrary to original sin is prophetic of Baptism in the kingdom of the Spiritual kingdom.

http://www.piney.com/Psalm.51.conceived.in.sin.html

Psalm 51 also defines the Spirit as OUR spirit made right, just and holly.


Wayne Jackson is one of many "conservatives" who have accepted the idea that the Spirit OF Christ is another "person" and is therefore to be worshipped.

Of course, there is only one God the Father who is to be worshipped. Unfortunately, those who believe in the Holy Spirit often believe that "he" is speaking to or through them. They love to boast about keeping a set of rules proven to be superior to other people's set of rules. That is because everyone can hear the Spirit making sure that what they think is what God thinks.

This is a quick review:

http://www.piney.com/Wayne.Jackson.Is.H ... rship.html

To be continued.
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November 11th, 2012, 12:28 am #32

Donnie, you said that my silence, in answering you, is deafening.

The old saying......'be quiet and be thought a fool, speak up and remove all doubt.'

I like silence, but you on the other hand, like to hear yourself talk.....look at the old saying again.
But you continue to talk, with out a point. I can tell, Dave, you think of yourself as a brilliant person. That is the true definition of a fool!
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November 12th, 2012, 10:42 pm #33

Wayne Jackson Jesus in the form of God.

http://www.piney.com/Wayne.Jackson.Jesu ... f.God.html

The Spirit OF Christ defined the meaning of GOD: nothing which the New Testament writers in any way disturbs the facts:



Keith D. Stanglin at Harding seems to follow the "navigating the winds of change scheme."

http://www.piney.com/Keith.D.Stanglin.H ... Music.html

He weaves back and forth by defending 'a cappella' and then weaves to the Instrumental Worship groups denying that there is any command against instruments.

This is material supplied with an "exam" and it is pretty certain that no student is going to challenge his wavering views. He endorses the Stone-Campbell Movement which seeks UNITY but fails to mention that this is the old Leroy Garrett folly begun just after the NACC finally got delisted from the Disciples in 1971.

Mark E. Powell at Harding Graduate School will present a Seminar on the TRINITY.

http://www.piney.com/Mark.E.Powell.Semi ... inity.html

My first part of the review will be looking at the PROOF TEXTS from "scholarly" published world and then quote the ACTUAL church father to prove that they did not think of a trinity.

There is GOD and God has a SPIRIT or WISDOM or breath and when He speaks wordS those spoken wordS are always called the preexisting SON of God. He builds on the Foundation of John Mark hicks the major sowing of discord in the community church idea and musical worship teams


He uses his co-conspirator John Mark Hicks and a host of books on the Trinity. I



David was an unwitting prophet in some Messianic Psalms. Psalm 51 contrary to original sin is prophetic of Baptism in the kingdom of the Spiritual kingdom.

http://www.piney.com/Psalm.51.conceived.in.sin.html

Psalm 51 also defines the Spirit as OUR spirit made right, just and holly.


Wayne Jackson is one of many "conservatives" who have accepted the idea that the Spirit OF Christ is another "person" and is therefore to be worshipped.

Of course, there is only one God the Father who is to be worshipped. Unfortunately, those who believe in the Holy Spirit often believe that "he" is speaking to or through them. They love to boast about keeping a set of rules proven to be superior to other people's set of rules. That is because everyone can hear the Spirit making sure that what they think is what God thinks.

This is a quick review:

http://www.piney.com/Wayne.Jackson.Is.H ... rship.html

To be continued.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]If the Holy Spirit has been God, or the third person in the Trinity Dogma, from the beginning, can someone quote me a single passage from the Old Testament that even hints that this man-made doctrine is true?

The only references in the Old Testament [KJV] to the "holy spirit" are found in:[/color]
  • Psalm 51:[11] Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

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  • Isaiah 63:[10] But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

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  • Isaiah 63:[11] Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?

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[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]These Old Testament passages, just as passages in the New Testament do, clearly indicate the ownership [possession or "belonging to"] of an entity. The spirit which is holy is an entity or attribute that belongs to someone -- in this case: God or the Lord.

The spirit of man may be holy or unholy.

But the spirit of the Lord our God is always HOLY, pure and blameless and sinless.

Here's logic: The nose OF Donnie is NOT Donnie -- it is Donnie's nose.

Here's logic: The spirit OF the Lord God is NOT God -- it is God's spirit; His "spirit" which is "HOLY" belongs to HIM.

Consider that the word "spirit" is not a proper noun. Its gender is neuter. The "spirit" of God has manifested itself throughout times in various ways and means -- wind, breath, power, mind.

Oh, just happened to think of other passages in the Old Testament.[/color]
  • Gen. 2:[7]And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

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  • Gen. 7:[22] All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

    </li>
  • Exod. 15:[8] And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.

    </li>
  • Job 27:[3] [color=#FF0000" size="4]All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils.[/color]</li>
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December 15th, 2012, 3:14 pm #34

She Proclaims The Truth About The Holy Spirit In The Life Of The Christian
by John Waddey



TheBible.net
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Few topics have received such attention in our generation as that of the Holy Spirit and the Christian. Much of the teaching heard lays heavy stress upon a direct operation of the Spirit on the heart of alien sinners to bring them to salvation, and supernatural enlightenment and guidance for Christians. We will examine these points in light of God's Word and see what is actually promised.

The Holy Spirit is a divine person, a member of the holy godhead. It is erroneous to think of him as merely a power, influence or feeling. Masculine pronouns are applied to the Spirit (John 14:26). Attributes of personhood are given him. He speaks (Revelation 2:29); he leads (Romans 8:14); he forbids (Acts 16:6). The Holy Spirit plays a vital role in our salvation. We are baptized into the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19). He is the seal of our salvation and the "earnest of our inheritance" (Ephesians 1:13-14).


TO WHOM IS THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVEN?

Contrary to popular opinion, God's Spirit is not given to alien sinners to convert them. "Because ye are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of his Son into our hearts" (Galatians 4:6).

The Spirit through the inspired Scripture works on the minds and hearts of sinners, convicting them (John 16:8; 1 Peter 1:23). When the sinner believes the gospel message, repents and is baptized, he receives remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38). Thus the Spirit comes, not to make us sons, but because we have become Sons of God. God's Spirit is only given to those who in faith obey Christ.

"We. . . receive the promise of the Spirit through faith" (Gal. 3:14). Jesus said "He that believeth on me. . . from within him shall flow rivers of living water. But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed on him were to receive. . . " (John 7:38-39). Peter tells us of "the Holy Spirit whom God hath given to them that obey him" (Acts 5:32). Jesus said, "how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (Luke 11:13). The context makes clear that he gives this gift to his children!

We should be reminded that Scripture speaks of a baptism of the Holy Spirit which only the apostles and Cornelius received (Acts 1:5; Acts 11:15-17) and the miraculous gifts of the Spirit given by the hands of the apostles (Acts 8:12-18). (Only the apostles could pass that gifts along to others, the recipients could not.) There also is a general gift or indwelling of the Spirit which all receive at baptism. This is non-miraculous (Acts 2:38). Holy Spirit baptism was promised to the apostles, but never commanded of disciples. Only two cases of it are recorded at the first reception of Jews and Gentiles into Christ's kingdom. Both cases involved open displays of supernatural power (see Acts 2:1-13 and 10:44-48). Today there is but one baptism (Eph. 4:5). This baptism of the Great Commission is in water (Acts 8:37-38).


OBLIGATIONS IMPOSED

It is a remarkable privilege to receive God's Spirit in our lives. Such carries with it heavy responsibilities. "Know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own;. . . glorify God in your body" (1 Cor. 6:19-20). "If any man destroyeth the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, and such are you" (1 Cor. 3:17). Thus any habit or practice that would defile our body and soul must be cast aside, be it fornication, drug abuse, indulgence in intoxicating beverages, gluttony, tobacco or any like thing.

We must "walk by the Spirit, and. . . not fulfill the lust of the flesh" (Gal. 5:16). By that, Paul means to order our lives by the Spirit's instructions found in the Scripture. "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, (makes) me free from the law of sin and death" (Rom 8:2). "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God" (Rom 8:14). The Holy Spirit has given us the Bible to guide our path (2 Peter 1:20-21).

Christians must put away all things in their lives that would grieve the Holy Spirit (Eph. 4:25). In Ephesians 4:17-5:14 the apostle catalogs that ugly list of sins we must put away if we would please our heavenly guest. At the same time we must fill the vacuum in our lives by bringing forth the fruit of the Spirit: "love, joy, peace, long- suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control. . . " (Gal. 5:22-23).


BLESSINGS THE SPIRIT IMPARTS

Although no miraculous power or leading is promised to us today, the blessings bestowed by the indwelling Spirit are manifold. When at our baptism we receive the gift of the Spirit (Acts 2:38) it is likened to God's seal or stamp of approval or ownership (2 Cor. 1:22). His presence in our life is the earnest or assurance of our ultimate reward in heaven (Eph. 1:13-14). Our possession of the Spirit is an assurance of our sonship: "hereby we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit" (1 John 4:14). "The love of God hath been shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit which was given unto us" (Rom. 5:5). We "abound in hope, in the power of the Holy spirit" (Rom. 15:13). Christians are "strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man" (Eph. 3:16). "And in like manner the Spirit helpeth our infirmity" (Rom. 8:26a). When we do not know how to pray as we ought, "the Spirit himself maketh intercession for us. . . according to the will of God" (Rom. 8:26-27). Paul urges us to pray "at all seasons in the Spirit" (Eph. 6:18). By the Spirit (we) "put to death the deeds of the body" (Rom. 8:13); thus we find help to overcome those powerful habits of sin which have attached themselves to us. When we walk in the fear of the Lord we enjoy "the comfort of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 9:31). The Holy Spirit leads the Christian in paths of righteousness. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).

Many claim the Spirit whispers words in their ear or overpowers their mind, but such is not Biblical. The Holy Spirit leads us through the instruction of the Scripture he caused to be written. Scripture came as "men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit" (2 Pet. 1:21). In Ephesians 5:19 Paul instructs us to be filled with the Spirit and sing. In Colossians 3:16 he says "Let the words of Christ dwell in you richly" and sing. Thus with David we pray "Show me thy ways, O Jehovah; teach me thy paths, Guide me in thy truth and teach me. . ." (Psalm 25:5). Truly Scripture "is a lamp unto my feet, and light unto my path" (Ps. 119:105). It is the medium by which God's Spirit leads us. Led by the Spirit we enjoy "the communion of the Holy Spirit" (2 Cor. 13:14) and the. . . "fellowship of the Spirit" (Philippians 2:1). In a similar way "the Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God" (Rom. 8:16). In his word, the Spirit has told us the conditions of salvation; i.e., faith (Hebrews 11:6), repentance (Acts 17:30), immersion (Mark 16:16). When our spirit can truthfully say, I have met these terms" then the Spirit's Word says "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" (Mk. 16:16).


EVIDENCE OF THE INDWELLING SPIRIT

Those who have God's Spirit in their hearts will reflect it in their attitude and con- duct. They will love the Bible which the Spirit caused to be written. "I have longed after thy precepts" (Ps. 119:40). "I love thy precepts" (Ps. 119:159). Sinners receive "not the love of the truth that they might be saved" (2 Thessalonians 2: 10). Spirit filled men will confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (1 John 4:2). They will be led by the Spirit's word (Rom. 8:14) and mind "the things of the Spirit" (Rom. 8:5). With the Spirit's help they will be mortifying the sinful desires and practices of the old life (Rom. 8:13). In their lives will be seen "the fruit of the Spirit. . . love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control. . ." (Gal. 5:22-23).


THE HOLY SPIRIT AND SALVATION

The implanted word of God which the Spirit inspired is able to save our souls (James 1:21). In every case of conversion recorded in the Acts of Apostles, souls were saved only after hearing the word of God taught and obeying the divine will (Compare Acts 2:1-47). The Lord today will open your heart even as he did Lydia's by the preaching of the gospel (Acts 16:11-15). He will remove your sins even as he did Saul of Tarsus' when you respond by being baptized (Acts 22:16).

Without God's Spirit, you cannot be saved (Rom. 8:9). It is impossible to receive the Spirit apart from Christian baptism (John 3:5). We urge you today to let Christ save you "through the washing of regeneration (baptism) and the renewing of the Holy Spirit" (Titus 3:5). In so doing you will find "righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" (Rom. 14:17).


QUESTIONS

How do we conclude that the Holy Spirit is a person?

To whom is the Holy Spirit given?

In Scripture, who received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Name three obligations of those who have the Spirit.

Discuss the blessings the Holy Spirit provides Christians today.

What is the evidence of the Spirit dwelling in one's life?


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December 15th, 2012, 4:29 pm #35

We have looked at these proof-texts IN CONTEXT and by defining words. I will take a look at a few. For now, it is a fact that maybe half of church of Christ preachers believe that the Spirit OF (preposition) is another person which they believe is a PERSON.

After the Charismatic movement preachers were led to agree that indeed The Holy Spirit "people" lives inside of my carnal body BUT He don't do nothing, He don't say nothing, He just keeps LOLLOING around.

No one ever said that Waddey was perfect. He follows the UNIVERSAL college-educated or preacher-school PATTERNISM of just collecting all of the verses (as you quote him), pile them into heaps and then reach a conclusion. You have never heard a sermon in context.

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December 15th, 2012, 5:20 pm #36

She Proclaims The Truth About The Holy Spirit In The Life Of The Christian
by John Waddey



TheBible.net
Introducing the Church Index
Next Chapter


Few topics have received such attention in our generation as that of the Holy Spirit and the Christian. Much of the teaching heard lays heavy stress upon a direct operation of the Spirit on the heart of alien sinners to bring them to salvation, and supernatural enlightenment and guidance for Christians. We will examine these points in light of God's Word and see what is actually promised.

The Holy Spirit is a divine person, a member of the holy godhead. It is erroneous to think of him as merely a power, influence or feeling. Masculine pronouns are applied to the Spirit (John 14:26). Attributes of personhood are given him. He speaks (Revelation 2:29); he leads (Romans 8:14); he forbids (Acts 16:6). The Holy Spirit plays a vital role in our salvation. We are baptized into the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19). He is the seal of our salvation and the "earnest of our inheritance" (Ephesians 1:13-14).


TO WHOM IS THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVEN?

Contrary to popular opinion, God's Spirit is not given to alien sinners to convert them. "Because ye are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of his Son into our hearts" (Galatians 4:6).

The Spirit through the inspired Scripture works on the minds and hearts of sinners, convicting them (John 16:8; 1 Peter 1:23). When the sinner believes the gospel message, repents and is baptized, he receives remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38). Thus the Spirit comes, not to make us sons, but because we have become Sons of God. God's Spirit is only given to those who in faith obey Christ.

"We. . . receive the promise of the Spirit through faith" (Gal. 3:14). Jesus said "He that believeth on me. . . from within him shall flow rivers of living water. But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed on him were to receive. . . " (John 7:38-39). Peter tells us of "the Holy Spirit whom God hath given to them that obey him" (Acts 5:32). Jesus said, "how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (Luke 11:13). The context makes clear that he gives this gift to his children!

We should be reminded that Scripture speaks of a baptism of the Holy Spirit which only the apostles and Cornelius received (Acts 1:5; Acts 11:15-17) and the miraculous gifts of the Spirit given by the hands of the apostles (Acts 8:12-18). (Only the apostles could pass that gifts along to others, the recipients could not.) There also is a general gift or indwelling of the Spirit which all receive at baptism. This is non-miraculous (Acts 2:38). Holy Spirit baptism was promised to the apostles, but never commanded of disciples. Only two cases of it are recorded at the first reception of Jews and Gentiles into Christ's kingdom. Both cases involved open displays of supernatural power (see Acts 2:1-13 and 10:44-48). Today there is but one baptism (Eph. 4:5). This baptism of the Great Commission is in water (Acts 8:37-38).


OBLIGATIONS IMPOSED

It is a remarkable privilege to receive God's Spirit in our lives. Such carries with it heavy responsibilities. "Know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own;. . . glorify God in your body" (1 Cor. 6:19-20). "If any man destroyeth the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, and such are you" (1 Cor. 3:17). Thus any habit or practice that would defile our body and soul must be cast aside, be it fornication, drug abuse, indulgence in intoxicating beverages, gluttony, tobacco or any like thing.

We must "walk by the Spirit, and. . . not fulfill the lust of the flesh" (Gal. 5:16). By that, Paul means to order our lives by the Spirit's instructions found in the Scripture. "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, (makes) me free from the law of sin and death" (Rom 8:2). "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God" (Rom 8:14). The Holy Spirit has given us the Bible to guide our path (2 Peter 1:20-21).

Christians must put away all things in their lives that would grieve the Holy Spirit (Eph. 4:25). In Ephesians 4:17-5:14 the apostle catalogs that ugly list of sins we must put away if we would please our heavenly guest. At the same time we must fill the vacuum in our lives by bringing forth the fruit of the Spirit: "love, joy, peace, long- suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control. . . " (Gal. 5:22-23).


BLESSINGS THE SPIRIT IMPARTS

Although no miraculous power or leading is promised to us today, the blessings bestowed by the indwelling Spirit are manifold. When at our baptism we receive the gift of the Spirit (Acts 2:38) it is likened to God's seal or stamp of approval or ownership (2 Cor. 1:22). His presence in our life is the earnest or assurance of our ultimate reward in heaven (Eph. 1:13-14). Our possession of the Spirit is an assurance of our sonship: "hereby we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit" (1 John 4:14). "The love of God hath been shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit which was given unto us" (Rom. 5:5). We "abound in hope, in the power of the Holy spirit" (Rom. 15:13). Christians are "strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man" (Eph. 3:16). "And in like manner the Spirit helpeth our infirmity" (Rom. 8:26a). When we do not know how to pray as we ought, "the Spirit himself maketh intercession for us. . . according to the will of God" (Rom. 8:26-27). Paul urges us to pray "at all seasons in the Spirit" (Eph. 6:18). By the Spirit (we) "put to death the deeds of the body" (Rom. 8:13); thus we find help to overcome those powerful habits of sin which have attached themselves to us. When we walk in the fear of the Lord we enjoy "the comfort of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 9:31). The Holy Spirit leads the Christian in paths of righteousness. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God" (Rom. 8:14).

Many claim the Spirit whispers words in their ear or overpowers their mind, but such is not Biblical. The Holy Spirit leads us through the instruction of the Scripture he caused to be written. Scripture came as "men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit" (2 Pet. 1:21). In Ephesians 5:19 Paul instructs us to be filled with the Spirit and sing. In Colossians 3:16 he says "Let the words of Christ dwell in you richly" and sing. Thus with David we pray "Show me thy ways, O Jehovah; teach me thy paths, Guide me in thy truth and teach me. . ." (Psalm 25:5). Truly Scripture "is a lamp unto my feet, and light unto my path" (Ps. 119:105). It is the medium by which God's Spirit leads us. Led by the Spirit we enjoy "the communion of the Holy Spirit" (2 Cor. 13:14) and the. . . "fellowship of the Spirit" (Philippians 2:1). In a similar way "the Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God" (Rom. 8:16). In his word, the Spirit has told us the conditions of salvation; i.e., faith (Hebrews 11:6), repentance (Acts 17:30), immersion (Mark 16:16). When our spirit can truthfully say, I have met these terms" then the Spirit's Word says "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" (Mk. 16:16).


EVIDENCE OF THE INDWELLING SPIRIT

Those who have God's Spirit in their hearts will reflect it in their attitude and con- duct. They will love the Bible which the Spirit caused to be written. "I have longed after thy precepts" (Ps. 119:40). "I love thy precepts" (Ps. 119:159). Sinners receive "not the love of the truth that they might be saved" (2 Thessalonians 2: 10). Spirit filled men will confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (1 John 4:2). They will be led by the Spirit's word (Rom. 8:14) and mind "the things of the Spirit" (Rom. 8:5). With the Spirit's help they will be mortifying the sinful desires and practices of the old life (Rom. 8:13). In their lives will be seen "the fruit of the Spirit. . . love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control. . ." (Gal. 5:22-23).


THE HOLY SPIRIT AND SALVATION

The implanted word of God which the Spirit inspired is able to save our souls (James 1:21). In every case of conversion recorded in the Acts of Apostles, souls were saved only after hearing the word of God taught and obeying the divine will (Compare Acts 2:1-47). The Lord today will open your heart even as he did Lydia's by the preaching of the gospel (Acts 16:11-15). He will remove your sins even as he did Saul of Tarsus' when you respond by being baptized (Acts 22:16).

Without God's Spirit, you cannot be saved (Rom. 8:9). It is impossible to receive the Spirit apart from Christian baptism (John 3:5). We urge you today to let Christ save you "through the washing of regeneration (baptism) and the renewing of the Holy Spirit" (Titus 3:5). In so doing you will find "righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" (Rom. 14:17).


QUESTIONS

How do we conclude that the Holy Spirit is a person?

To whom is the Holy Spirit given?

In Scripture, who received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Name three obligations of those who have the Spirit.

Discuss the blessings the Holy Spirit provides Christians today.

What is the evidence of the Spirit dwelling in one's life?

Another question: Who is "she"?
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December 15th, 2012, 5:35 pm #37

Spirit is NEUTER but it takes the gender of the PERSON. For instance "SHE has a spirit OF nastiness" does not mean that she has a little person named NASTY living inside of her body. As Donnie has pointed out the word OF appears almost every time spirit is mentioned in connection with a "people."

SHE is now Sophia-Zoe in all of the groups which have replaced worship teams for the Spoken or sung WORD.

SHE is the Holy Spirit in these destitute institutes. Methodist feminist 'pastors' worship SOPHIA. Catholics REALLY see the Godhead as GOD, Mary the mother of gods and beasts and the eternally infant son who does not replace the MEDIATRIX.

Religious teknokrats had to be MALES but they had to perform the roles of WOMEN as in David's naked dance "praising" or making himself vile with the camp-following slaves.

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December 15th, 2012, 5:35 pm #38

We have looked at these proof-texts IN CONTEXT and by defining words. I will take a look at a few. For now, it is a fact that maybe half of church of Christ preachers believe that the Spirit OF (preposition) is another person which they believe is a PERSON.

After the Charismatic movement preachers were led to agree that indeed The Holy Spirit "people" lives inside of my carnal body BUT He don't do nothing, He don't say nothing, He just keeps LOLLOING around.

No one ever said that Waddey was perfect. He follows the UNIVERSAL college-educated or preacher-school PATTERNISM of just collecting all of the verses (as you quote him), pile them into heaps and then reach a conclusion. You have never heard a sermon in context.

Waddey wrote:

1. "Although no miraculous power or leading is promised to us today, the blessings bestowed by the indwelling Spirit are manifold. When at our baptism we receive the gift of the Spirit (Acts 2:38) it is likened to God's seal or stamp of approval or ownership (2 Cor. 1:22). His presence in our life is the earnest or assurance of our ultimate reward in heaven (Eph. 1:13-14). Our possession of the Spirit is an assurance of our sonship: "hereby we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit" (1 John 4:14). "The love of God hath been shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit which was given unto us" (Rom. 5:5). We "abound in hope, in the power of the Holy spirit" (Rom. 15:13). Christians are "strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man" (Eph. 3:16). "And in like manner the Spirit helpeth our infirmity" (Rom. 8:26a). When we do not know how to pray as we ought, "the Spirit himself maketh intercession for us. . . according to the will of God" (Rom. 8:26-27). Paul urges us to pray "at all seasons in the Spirit" (Eph. 6:18). By the Spirit (we) "put to death the deeds of the body" (Rom. 8:13); thus we find help to overcome those powerful habits of sin which have attached themselves to us. When we walk in the fear of the Lord we enjoy "the comfort of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 9:31). The Holy Spirit leads the Christian in paths of righteousness. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God" (Rom. 8:14)."

2. "Many claim the Spirit whispers words in their ear or overpowers their mind, but such is not Biblical. The Holy Spirit leads us through the instruction of the Scripture he caused to be written. Scripture came as "men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit" (2 Pet. 1:21). In Ephesians 5:19 Paul instructs us to be filled with the Spirit and sing."

I write:

Can Waddey be into the same problem he seems to reject?

Waddey says in paragraph 1 that no miraculous power or leading is promised to us today, but love, hope, knowledge, and prayer are aided by the Spirit. Then he says that the Holy Spirit leads us through the instruction of the Scripture that "he" caused to be written.

Problem: If the Spirit is given to us at baptism, and "he" leads us through Scripture (the word of God), then we could not have heard the word of God up before we are baptized. But according to Waddey, we haven't heard "repent and be baptized" since that is Scripture, and so, according to his argument, the Holy Spirit has not been given to us yet.

On the other hand, if "he" leads through Scripture, and we hear "repent and be baptized", then "he" is leading us before baptism. Waddey is correct in saying that Scripture leads us into the way of the Spirit, but Scripture leads us before baptism toward belief and repentance, and doubly leads us after baptism by the refreshing and reformation that comes through additional devotion and growth through Biblical studies, through fellowship with the saints, and daily meditation and prayer.

A more "holy interpretation" of the whole dilemma is that The Holy Conscience is revealed to us before baptism, and moreso after baptism. It comes to us through faith, its rationale leads us to repentance, it brings us into the water of baptism, and it restores our sole in obedience to the Christian life. Confession is its seal, previous to baptism, and confession strengthens us in the holy conscience the more we resist the temptations of this life.

Can anyone help us here?
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December 15th, 2012, 5:39 pm #39

Wayne Jackson Jesus in the form of God.

http://www.piney.com/Wayne.Jackson.Jesu ... f.God.html

The Spirit OF Christ defined the meaning of GOD: nothing which the New Testament writers in any way disturbs the facts:



Keith D. Stanglin at Harding seems to follow the "navigating the winds of change scheme."

http://www.piney.com/Keith.D.Stanglin.H ... Music.html

He weaves back and forth by defending 'a cappella' and then weaves to the Instrumental Worship groups denying that there is any command against instruments.

This is material supplied with an "exam" and it is pretty certain that no student is going to challenge his wavering views. He endorses the Stone-Campbell Movement which seeks UNITY but fails to mention that this is the old Leroy Garrett folly begun just after the NACC finally got delisted from the Disciples in 1971.

Mark E. Powell at Harding Graduate School will present a Seminar on the TRINITY.

http://www.piney.com/Mark.E.Powell.Semi ... inity.html

My first part of the review will be looking at the PROOF TEXTS from "scholarly" published world and then quote the ACTUAL church father to prove that they did not think of a trinity.

There is GOD and God has a SPIRIT or WISDOM or breath and when He speaks wordS those spoken wordS are always called the preexisting SON of God. He builds on the Foundation of John Mark hicks the major sowing of discord in the community church idea and musical worship teams


He uses his co-conspirator John Mark Hicks and a host of books on the Trinity. I



David was an unwitting prophet in some Messianic Psalms. Psalm 51 contrary to original sin is prophetic of Baptism in the kingdom of the Spiritual kingdom.

http://www.piney.com/Psalm.51.conceived.in.sin.html

Psalm 51 also defines the Spirit as OUR spirit made right, just and holly.


Wayne Jackson is one of many "conservatives" who have accepted the idea that the Spirit OF Christ is another "person" and is therefore to be worshipped.

Of course, there is only one God the Father who is to be worshipped. Unfortunately, those who believe in the Holy Spirit often believe that "he" is speaking to or through them. They love to boast about keeping a set of rules proven to be superior to other people's set of rules. That is because everyone can hear the Spirit making sure that what they think is what God thinks.

This is a quick review:

http://www.piney.com/Wayne.Jackson.Is.H ... rship.html

To be continued.
Waddey and half of the preachercraft he forbids (Acts 16:6).

WHO forbids? The SPIRIT Lord guided Paul into all truth

Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Acts 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
Acts 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose,
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to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen,
.....and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;


When the promised SPIRIT LORD appeared to Paul Jesus said it will be JESUS OF NAZARETH. The proof texts are so arranged that NO DISCIPLE can be mistaken.

Acts 16:6ASV And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia,
.....having been forbidden of the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia;
Acts 16:7ASV and when they were come over against Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia;
.....and the Spirit of Jesus suffered them not;


So, AS USUAL, the text equates the Spirit OF Jesus Christ to being JESUS CHRIST.

WESTCORT AND HORT

Acts 16.6WH Dilthon de tn Phrugian kai Galatikn khran, kluthentes hupo tou
.....hagiou pneumatos lalsai ton logon en t Asia,
Acts 16.7WH elthontes de kata tn Musian epeirazon eis tn Bithunian poreuthnai kai ouk eiasen
.....autous to pneuma Isou:

Acts 16.7 Jerome Latin cum venissent autem in Mysiam temptabant ire Bithyniam et non permisit eos Spiritus Iesu

Acts 16:7NET When they came to26 Mysia,27 they attempted to go into Bithynia,28
.....but the Spirit of Jesus did not allow29 them to do this,30

Acts 16:7NIV When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia,
.....but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to.


SPIRIT is WIND or BREATH: When Jesus of NAZARETH breathed the Apostle Paul heard WORDS.

John said that the ANOTHER COMFORTER was named JESUS CHRIST THE RIGHTEOUS.
There is ONE GOD ONLY who is FATHER
There is ONE SON acknowledged only after baptism
There is One Jesus whom God MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ.
Jesus is God's MESSAGE that He is God and there is NO OTHER to REPUDIATE men like Thomas who expected to ALSO see the father of the always pagan triad mostly of father, mother (spirit) and eternally infant mewling son.
John who recorded Jesus so that it CANNOT BE UNDERSTOOD also said that it is the mark of ANTI-Christ to DENY that One God in heaven and ONE MEDIATOR the MAN Christ Jesus.</font>
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December 15th, 2012, 5:53 pm #40

Waddey wrote:

1. "Although no miraculous power or leading is promised to us today, the blessings bestowed by the indwelling Spirit are manifold. When at our baptism we receive the gift of the Spirit (Acts 2:38) it is likened to God's seal or stamp of approval or ownership (2 Cor. 1:22). His presence in our life is the earnest or assurance of our ultimate reward in heaven (Eph. 1:13-14). Our possession of the Spirit is an assurance of our sonship: "hereby we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit" (1 John 4:14). "The love of God hath been shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit which was given unto us" (Rom. 5:5). We "abound in hope, in the power of the Holy spirit" (Rom. 15:13). Christians are "strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man" (Eph. 3:16). "And in like manner the Spirit helpeth our infirmity" (Rom. 8:26a). When we do not know how to pray as we ought, "the Spirit himself maketh intercession for us. . . according to the will of God" (Rom. 8:26-27). Paul urges us to pray "at all seasons in the Spirit" (Eph. 6:18). By the Spirit (we) "put to death the deeds of the body" (Rom. 8:13); thus we find help to overcome those powerful habits of sin which have attached themselves to us. When we walk in the fear of the Lord we enjoy "the comfort of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 9:31). The Holy Spirit leads the Christian in paths of righteousness. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God" (Rom. 8:14)."

2. "Many claim the Spirit whispers words in their ear or overpowers their mind, but such is not Biblical. The Holy Spirit leads us through the instruction of the Scripture he caused to be written. Scripture came as "men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit" (2 Pet. 1:21). In Ephesians 5:19 Paul instructs us to be filled with the Spirit and sing."

I write:

Can Waddey be into the same problem he seems to reject?

Waddey says in paragraph 1 that no miraculous power or leading is promised to us today, but love, hope, knowledge, and prayer are aided by the Spirit. Then he says that the Holy Spirit leads us through the instruction of the Scripture that "he" caused to be written.

Problem: If the Spirit is given to us at baptism, and "he" leads us through Scripture (the word of God), then we could not have heard the word of God up before we are baptized. But according to Waddey, we haven't heard "repent and be baptized" since that is Scripture, and so, according to his argument, the Holy Spirit has not been given to us yet.

On the other hand, if "he" leads through Scripture, and we hear "repent and be baptized", then "he" is leading us before baptism. Waddey is correct in saying that Scripture leads us into the way of the Spirit, but Scripture leads us before baptism toward belief and repentance, and doubly leads us after baptism by the refreshing and reformation that comes through additional devotion and growth through Biblical studies, through fellowship with the saints, and daily meditation and prayer.

A more "holy interpretation" of the whole dilemma is that The Holy Conscience is revealed to us before baptism, and moreso after baptism. It comes to us through faith, its rationale leads us to repentance, it brings us into the water of baptism, and it restores our sole in obedience to the Christian life. Confession is its seal, previous to baptism, and confession strengthens us in the holy conscience the more we resist the temptations of this life.

Can anyone help us here?
I believe that is correct. The problem seems to mix up righteousness (ceremonially qualified) and remission of sins or REgeneration.

People misuse Alexander Campbell by proof-texting. Campbell noted that the process begins when we hear the Word and accept it. The Jews said that one had to be circumcised and keep the law to be RIGHTEOUS and rejected baptism for Gentiles.

Jesus said that we are all purified by faith: the faith of Jesus Christ.

Psalms 15:2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
Isaiah 64:5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

That means that they are not ceremonially disqualified. Pigs are also declared pure by THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST but they cannot become Disciples.

God "breathed" and the doubting Jews heard a Latin speaker speaking Judean. This gave Peter the courage to demand that Cornelius be baptized which was to be accepted as a willing disciple of Christ.

Campbell goes on and insists that one is not an upper case "C"hristian until the seed has been emplanted, grows and rises to a new life only AFTER obedience in baptism.

The word is the SEED but the parable of the seed proves that even if it germinates it may not result in a NEW LIFE or BIRTH able to participate. They miss the point that Abraham was JUSTIFIED by active faith but he was not LOST.

I don't see how people who make a profession out of denying OBEDIENCE can ever have that seal of a holy conscience.
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