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January 1st, 2015, 6:35 pm #1

It is easy to select out a passage and let that trump all of the other evidence. Defining words as they were used at the time is absolutely necessary if you are of the rare, little flock engaged in SEEKING HIM.

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:


Notice that Jesus the Man did not have power or life within Himself. In John 6 He said MY WORDS are SPIRIT and they are LIFE. Jesus dispensed power by SPEAKING the Words which God breathed into Him..

John 17:2 As THOU hast given him POWER over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God,
and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


Whatever the state of the spirit OF Jesus He says that it was not as one of the three GOD PEOPLE.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own SELF with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


Whatever existed as one of those "secret things" it is absolutely clear that:

1Cor. 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


In the neo-trinity promoted by LU which goes far beyond the classical trinity there is:

--God the father as a separate person
--God the Spirit as a separate person
--God the Son as a separate person. They insert JESUS
--All three people always existed.
--They are all three equal in power although each one has their own talent and their own dispensation.
--They commune or have fellowship: God couldn't exist without someone to love.
--They hold committee meetings to make decisions.
--Father and Son HAVE HAD their chance to rule and we live in the reign of The Holy Spirit person and ACTS is the ACTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT PERSON.
--Being postmodern (mark of delusion) the Spirit Person speaks to them extending GRACE for deliberately sowing discord.

There are many passages which indicate that the Little Flock are lost spirits Jesus was sent to seek and save. Jesus said nothing about building "temples" with a priesthood as the mediator in song and sermon. That flock is so tiny that you probably cannot see, hear, smell or feel them. The direct command was to pur out the nets or go announcing that it is "pick up" or "going home time."

You have have YOUR WORLD VIEW but Jesus doesn't pray for the world and He HIDES from the wise or SOPHISTS meaning speaking about yourself for hire, singing, playing instruments or acting: these are MARKS for avoidance for the LITTLE FLOCK.

Notice that Jesus followed the 40 DAY PLAN which is a TEST and not a MEANS for getting stuff from God.
Jesus MANIFESTED THY NAME but He did not hang around to CULTIFY you with plans and programs as fraud.

John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world:
thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy WORD.
John 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.


Notice that the SENT was Jesus MANIFESTING GOD'S NAME" to those who would be part of the NEW WORLD it would create but not the universe.

WITH is the Greek:

pa^ra ra^, ta p. tinos . denoting motion from the side of, from beside, from:
all that issues from any one, as commands, commissions, Id.An.2.3.4, etc.; or promises, gifts, presents,


Jehovah said that there was not god or elohim BESIDE HIM. God's breath (spirit) comes from Him and a word is articulated when it strikes one's "ears."

The same word was used of John the Baptist:

John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:6 There was a man SENT FROM GOD whose name was John.
John 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
John 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.


John was not a god person but he issued out from alongside of God because God SENT him..

Jesus was SENT from God before John because God planned it to be

Rev. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev. 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Matt. 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:


The priesthood of Jesus existed in the Mind of God honored by Abraham.

Heb. 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
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January 3rd, 2015, 11:09 pm #2

Notice that God would send Jesus but SHOWED Zechariah Jesus as the high priest and the adversaries at work.

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January 4th, 2015, 9:44 pm #3

It is easy to select out a passage and let that trump all of the other evidence. Defining words as they were used at the time is absolutely necessary if you are of the rare, little flock engaged in SEEKING HIM.

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:


Notice that Jesus the Man did not have power or life within Himself. In John 6 He said MY WORDS are SPIRIT and they are LIFE. Jesus dispensed power by SPEAKING the Words which God breathed into Him..

John 17:2 As THOU hast given him POWER over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God,
and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


Whatever the state of the spirit OF Jesus He says that it was not as one of the three GOD PEOPLE.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own SELF with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


Whatever existed as one of those "secret things" it is absolutely clear that:

1Cor. 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


In the neo-trinity promoted by LU which goes far beyond the classical trinity there is:

--God the father as a separate person
--God the Spirit as a separate person
--God the Son as a separate person. They insert JESUS
--All three people always existed.
--They are all three equal in power although each one has their own talent and their own dispensation.
--They commune or have fellowship: God couldn't exist without someone to love.
--They hold committee meetings to make decisions.
--Father and Son HAVE HAD their chance to rule and we live in the reign of The Holy Spirit person and ACTS is the ACTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT PERSON.
--Being postmodern (mark of delusion) the Spirit Person speaks to them extending GRACE for deliberately sowing discord.

There are many passages which indicate that the Little Flock are lost spirits Jesus was sent to seek and save. Jesus said nothing about building "temples" with a priesthood as the mediator in song and sermon. That flock is so tiny that you probably cannot see, hear, smell or feel them. The direct command was to pur out the nets or go announcing that it is "pick up" or "going home time."

You have have YOUR WORLD VIEW but Jesus doesn't pray for the world and He HIDES from the wise or SOPHISTS meaning speaking about yourself for hire, singing, playing instruments or acting: these are MARKS for avoidance for the LITTLE FLOCK.

Notice that Jesus followed the 40 DAY PLAN which is a TEST and not a MEANS for getting stuff from God.
Jesus MANIFESTED THY NAME but He did not hang around to CULTIFY you with plans and programs as fraud.

John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world:
thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy WORD.
John 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.


Notice that the SENT was Jesus MANIFESTING GOD'S NAME" to those who would be part of the NEW WORLD it would create but not the universe.

WITH is the Greek:

pa^ra ra^, ta p. tinos . denoting motion from the side of, from beside, from:
all that issues from any one, as commands, commissions, Id.An.2.3.4, etc.; or promises, gifts, presents,


Jehovah said that there was not god or elohim BESIDE HIM. God's breath (spirit) comes from Him and a word is articulated when it strikes one's "ears."

The same word was used of John the Baptist:

John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:6 There was a man SENT FROM GOD whose name was John.
John 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
John 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.


John was not a god person but he issued out from alongside of God because God SENT him..

Jesus was SENT from God before John because God planned it to be

Rev. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev. 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Matt. 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:


The priesthood of Jesus existed in the Mind of God honored by Abraham.

Heb. 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Pseudo Christians now accept "Messianic Judaism". They claim that the NEW covenant was the same OLD Covenant but in Jeremiah 31 God writes the OLD LAW upon our hearts. They are still the superiors and Christians cannot understand the Bible.

http://www.piney.com/Isaiah.59.New.Cove ... tians.html
Christ in the prophets proves that the new covenant will be the only teaching resources since He made the prophets more certain and Paul dared you to teach otherwise.

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January 5th, 2015, 3:22 am #4

It is easy to select out a passage and let that trump all of the other evidence. Defining words as they were used at the time is absolutely necessary if you are of the rare, little flock engaged in SEEKING HIM.

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:


Notice that Jesus the Man did not have power or life within Himself. In John 6 He said MY WORDS are SPIRIT and they are LIFE. Jesus dispensed power by SPEAKING the Words which God breathed into Him..

John 17:2 As THOU hast given him POWER over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God,
and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


Whatever the state of the spirit OF Jesus He says that it was not as one of the three GOD PEOPLE.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own SELF with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


Whatever existed as one of those "secret things" it is absolutely clear that:

1Cor. 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


In the neo-trinity promoted by LU which goes far beyond the classical trinity there is:

--God the father as a separate person
--God the Spirit as a separate person
--God the Son as a separate person. They insert JESUS
--All three people always existed.
--They are all three equal in power although each one has their own talent and their own dispensation.
--They commune or have fellowship: God couldn't exist without someone to love.
--They hold committee meetings to make decisions.
--Father and Son HAVE HAD their chance to rule and we live in the reign of The Holy Spirit person and ACTS is the ACTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT PERSON.
--Being postmodern (mark of delusion) the Spirit Person speaks to them extending GRACE for deliberately sowing discord.

There are many passages which indicate that the Little Flock are lost spirits Jesus was sent to seek and save. Jesus said nothing about building "temples" with a priesthood as the mediator in song and sermon. That flock is so tiny that you probably cannot see, hear, smell or feel them. The direct command was to pur out the nets or go announcing that it is "pick up" or "going home time."

You have have YOUR WORLD VIEW but Jesus doesn't pray for the world and He HIDES from the wise or SOPHISTS meaning speaking about yourself for hire, singing, playing instruments or acting: these are MARKS for avoidance for the LITTLE FLOCK.

Notice that Jesus followed the 40 DAY PLAN which is a TEST and not a MEANS for getting stuff from God.
Jesus MANIFESTED THY NAME but He did not hang around to CULTIFY you with plans and programs as fraud.

John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world:
thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy WORD.
John 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.


Notice that the SENT was Jesus MANIFESTING GOD'S NAME" to those who would be part of the NEW WORLD it would create but not the universe.

WITH is the Greek:

pa^ra ra^, ta p. tinos . denoting motion from the side of, from beside, from:
all that issues from any one, as commands, commissions, Id.An.2.3.4, etc.; or promises, gifts, presents,


Jehovah said that there was not god or elohim BESIDE HIM. God's breath (spirit) comes from Him and a word is articulated when it strikes one's "ears."

The same word was used of John the Baptist:

John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:6 There was a man SENT FROM GOD whose name was John.
John 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
John 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.


John was not a god person but he issued out from alongside of God because God SENT him..

Jesus was SENT from God before John because God planned it to be

Rev. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev. 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Matt. 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:


The priesthood of Jesus existed in the Mind of God honored by Abraham.

Heb. 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Theophilus to Autolycus I first to use TRIAS

http://www.piney.com/Theophilus.Autolycus.I.html

When he uses Spirit OF God "8 The reference here is not to the Holy Spirit, but to that vital power which is supposed to be diffused thorughout the universe."

So, the concept of a trinity of PEOPLE is something which developed in Catholic Theology but Mary is really the Mediatrix. It was not in the original Nicene Creed nor taught by any of the men used as "authority."

When diversity of opinion causes discord--which it is supposed to do--people have invented a NEW HERMENEUTIC which they do not grasp is a new PATTERN. That allows them to teach false doctrine and we create UNITY by you getting over it or get out. No one in recorded history hallucinated tritheism as taught by the New HermeNeuts at the once-Bible Colleges. We have added ARM and BRANCH above but these are not god-persons.



<font face="arial" size="4">As Donnie noted Jesus is never called "God the Son." This is a very latter-day folly of Churches of Christ:

1Cor. 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father<b>, of whom are all things, and we in him; and <b>one Lord Jesus Christ<b>, by whom are all things, and we by him.</b></b></b>


The Evidence is that there is ONE GOD the father. He made Jesus of Nazareth TO BE both Lord and Christ" The "breath" of God connects the ONE GOD to the ONE LORD and it is not another god person called Holy Spirit.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is <font color="#FF0000">ANTICHRIST
, that denieth the Father and the Son.


John Mark Hicks speaking for Lipscomb University says that "The Holy Spirit" (a separate center of consciousness) is REQUIRED to ENABLE Jesus to do His Work. I understand "career path" but God provides no merchandise to sell by assisting the Word.

Unity in Diversity won't work because Paul said that the cunning craftsmen or sophists--popular speaking, singing or playing instruments--are LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.

This is of BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS and Jesus still has a tiny LITTLE FLOCK who are sectarians called the WAY. If you were collectivized in a mass meeting today maybe you should COME OUT OF BABYLON in the words of Alexander Campbell.

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January 6th, 2015, 10:39 pm #5

It is easy to select out a passage and let that trump all of the other evidence. Defining words as they were used at the time is absolutely necessary if you are of the rare, little flock engaged in SEEKING HIM.

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:


Notice that Jesus the Man did not have power or life within Himself. In John 6 He said MY WORDS are SPIRIT and they are LIFE. Jesus dispensed power by SPEAKING the Words which God breathed into Him..

John 17:2 As THOU hast given him POWER over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God,
and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


Whatever the state of the spirit OF Jesus He says that it was not as one of the three GOD PEOPLE.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own SELF with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


Whatever existed as one of those "secret things" it is absolutely clear that:

1Cor. 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


In the neo-trinity promoted by LU which goes far beyond the classical trinity there is:

--God the father as a separate person
--God the Spirit as a separate person
--God the Son as a separate person. They insert JESUS
--All three people always existed.
--They are all three equal in power although each one has their own talent and their own dispensation.
--They commune or have fellowship: God couldn't exist without someone to love.
--They hold committee meetings to make decisions.
--Father and Son HAVE HAD their chance to rule and we live in the reign of The Holy Spirit person and ACTS is the ACTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT PERSON.
--Being postmodern (mark of delusion) the Spirit Person speaks to them extending GRACE for deliberately sowing discord.

There are many passages which indicate that the Little Flock are lost spirits Jesus was sent to seek and save. Jesus said nothing about building "temples" with a priesthood as the mediator in song and sermon. That flock is so tiny that you probably cannot see, hear, smell or feel them. The direct command was to pur out the nets or go announcing that it is "pick up" or "going home time."

You have have YOUR WORLD VIEW but Jesus doesn't pray for the world and He HIDES from the wise or SOPHISTS meaning speaking about yourself for hire, singing, playing instruments or acting: these are MARKS for avoidance for the LITTLE FLOCK.

Notice that Jesus followed the 40 DAY PLAN which is a TEST and not a MEANS for getting stuff from God.
Jesus MANIFESTED THY NAME but He did not hang around to CULTIFY you with plans and programs as fraud.

John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world:
thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy WORD.
John 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.


Notice that the SENT was Jesus MANIFESTING GOD'S NAME" to those who would be part of the NEW WORLD it would create but not the universe.

WITH is the Greek:

pa^ra ra^, ta p. tinos . denoting motion from the side of, from beside, from:
all that issues from any one, as commands, commissions, Id.An.2.3.4, etc.; or promises, gifts, presents,


Jehovah said that there was not god or elohim BESIDE HIM. God's breath (spirit) comes from Him and a word is articulated when it strikes one's "ears."

The same word was used of John the Baptist:

John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:6 There was a man SENT FROM GOD whose name was John.
John 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
John 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.


John was not a god person but he issued out from alongside of God because God SENT him..

Jesus was SENT from God before John because God planned it to be

Rev. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev. 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Matt. 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:


The priesthood of Jesus existed in the Mind of God honored by Abraham.

Heb. 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Following the hiring of women to TEACH OVER the teachers, they surfaced a NEW PARADIGM which inverted the patriarchal idea of god. They do not read Genesis and certainly no level of "scholarship" lets anyone read the original ancient documents which are defined by Moses after the female-led fell into the musical-trinitarian worship of the Egyptian triad where Isis is Eve who also got her son "from god" since Osiris lost his weapon.

http://www.piney.com/His23.html

Eve is called VIRUS or VENUM and is also Juno the spirit modern femenist-dominated churches worship. Paul said that she was WHOLLY SEDUCED and Cain (a musical note) was OF that wicked one.

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