Jesus Is God, but NOT the Father

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March 29th, 2017, 6:27 am #21

This is Stan's first visit in months. I see that the main debate is still over the Trinity, and now that Dave realizes how futile it is for him to keep sharing Scriptures that refute Donnie and Ken's false teaching there is nobody left to fight, Ken and Donnie win in refuting the world and this site can claim victory. BTW, Dave I was experiencing the same issue as you of messages being posted late or not at all. For the record this is being typed/submitted on 3/27/17 at 7:48 a.m.

Galatians 4:16 (KJV)
Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Welcome back, Stan.

"At the end of the day," when one carefully analysis matters that we have presented here, along with scriptural and historical support, we are on the fundamentalist and conservative (perhaps ultra-conservative) side. Does the Restoration Movement, as well as its past great leaders, ring a bell?

Caution: It is upsetting to Dave when he is labeled as a Trinitarian or when the Trinity Creed is refuted.

I agree that an approved post needs to be published as soon as possible. One benefit is that it keeps responses from being misplaced or out of order.

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March 29th, 2017, 6:31 am #22

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.


I like that! So I AM the Father and I AM God. Don't let my cat know.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]"Don't let my cat know." I love it!!![/color]
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March 29th, 2017, 3:52 pm #23

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]That's a very good understanding of the life of a religious forum like CM and of what's really involved in moderating it. Would you have the time and be interested in helping Ken and Donnie maintain (moderate) this site, Scripture?

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April 12th, 2017, 3:56 am #24

Yes, according to the inspired Word of God
John 5 (KJV)
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The matter here is that if God is the Father of Jesus (and we know that He is), then even though Jesus is the Son of God, then HE IS ALSO EQUAL TO GOD. EQUAL MEANS = ??? Jesus can't be a lower god, can He? Lower is not equal in mathematics.

The claim that if Jesus is God then He is also the Father, is now debunked, null and void.

Shame on anyone believing that the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ would be just a (g)od.
Dave further boldly declares: "The claim that if Jesus is God then He is also the Father, is now debunked, null and void."

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The only part that I agree with Dave is: that Jesus is NOT the Father.[/color]
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April 12th, 2017, 4:02 am #25

Yes, according to the inspired Word of God
John 5 (KJV)
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The matter here is that if God is the Father of Jesus (and we know that He is), then even though Jesus is the Son of God, then HE IS ALSO EQUAL TO GOD. EQUAL MEANS = ??? Jesus can't be a lower god, can He? Lower is not equal in mathematics.

The claim that if Jesus is God then He is also the Father, is now debunked, null and void.

Shame on anyone believing that the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ would be just a (g)od.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Dave uses the pro-Trinity (taken-out-of-context) translation of Isaiah 9:6.

Which one does Dave really believe:

(1) That Jesus is NOT the Father?
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(2) That Jesus is "the Everlasting Father"?
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April 12th, 2017, 1:46 pm #26

Have not been here in a very long time, sure seems less and less comments except from the usual folks, really an answer to prayers. Now the next time in a long time i stop by maybe the message will be, address not recognized.
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April 12th, 2017, 3:13 pm #27

How many people get up and respond to your sermons?

It does little good to pray if you are marked as rejecting the Word, Logos, Regulative principle which outlaws personal opionions, personal experiences, preaching, poetry, singing, playing instruments, or acting. Here is what Jesus wants everyone to know who get paid but with no ability to refute the TEXT to justified their food which is the "living" Paul authorized.

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April 14th, 2017, 3:00 pm #28

Yes, according to the inspired Word of God
John 5 (KJV)
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The matter here is that if God is the Father of Jesus (and we know that He is), then even though Jesus is the Son of God, then HE IS ALSO EQUAL TO GOD. EQUAL MEANS = ??? Jesus can't be a lower god, can He? Lower is not equal in mathematics.

The claim that if Jesus is God then He is also the Father, is now debunked, null and void.

Shame on anyone believing that the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ would be just a (g)od.
Those with a 20/20 vision to STEAL your property and make it musically idolatrous with lots of cash for the SENIOR staff (stiffs) STEAL agendas from others who are famous and sell lots of books.

They warn you that "we gonna sow discord but we will be gentle and let YOU know what WE are gonna to to you."
They enter into 40 days of prayer which in Scripture is God TESTING you and giving you lots of chances to repent.
They claim that "a" spirit is telling them what to do.
If they can get you involved in LORD LORD SAYING for 40 days then YOU are supposed to believe that A spirit is AFFIRMING the hidden agenda you you wouldn't want to tamper with the spirit, would you.

The end product is to get you to take the MARK of the BEAST which is defined as A new style of music or Satyric (Pan, Cappella) drama. Other than those who were BREATHED into by God, a prophesier can READ the Text and be able to say "thus saith the Lord." Otherwise, prophesiers who are always females or wannabes are singers, clappers, players, shouters, huggers and kissers."

Jesus has your ITINERARY all made up and ticked paid in full.

http://www.piney.com/Mike.Cope.2017.PBL ... Gamos.html

Sara Barton uses the Song of Solomon

http://www.piney.com/Sara.Barton.The.So ... lomon.html

defines the meaning of the Lord, Lord Sayers or those who picked the widow's purse for making long prayers or, in the Greek, long hymns.

my pastoral impulse this week is to proclaim the message of the Song of Songs. And here’s why: We desperately need public, communal language about sex, and we have an oft-overlooked resource in the Bible.

Song of Songs is unique in several ways, one of which is the fact that it’s the only place in Scripture where a woman’s voice leads the conversation (the woman speaks 61 of 117 verses). In light of what we’ve heard lately, it seems like a good time to let a wise woman speak about sexual activity that’s right and good, a woman who not only speaks but sings and shouts about intimate, sensual, erotic passion. And in all her talk about kissing, touching, tasting, and smelling, she does not offend with crass or vulgar language. She exemplifies how it’s possible to speak about sex and intimacy appropriately. We might do well to let her teach us a thing or two.




<font face="arial" size="4">"In their trances and ecstasies, these prophets or dervishes were believed to be divinely possessed, to have access to more than human knowledge, to be able to pronounce oracles, and so on."

"In the time of Saul, the companies of prophets were by no means completely edifying. They may, indeed, have been hang-overs of paganism. Samuel, as the spiritual leader of the time, seems to have attempted to guide their energies into the path of Yahvism, but it is difficult to say how much success he might have head."

"Yet the prophets were an excellent tool. They had the capacity to stir and influence the people and they tended to be strongly nationalistic, ready always to serve as the backbone of resistance against foreign oppression. Samuel, as their head, could direct them to meet and join Saul. It was the support of the bands of prophets that was Samuel's practical contribution to the establishment of Sauls kingship." (Asimov's Guide to the Bible, p. 283).

"Self-interest in social affairs made for self-indulgence in matters of religion. The northern sanctuaries were crowded with worshippers who, in the main, were rejoicing in the erotic religious rites that were the concomitant of a pagan Canaanite Baal worship.

Prophets and priests associated with the sanctuaries profited from the lavish gifts of the worshippers, and naturally condoned these exercises in the name of religion, appearing completely oblivious to the conditions of rapid decay which lay immediately underneith the surface of social life." (Harrison, R. K., Introduction to the Old Testament, Eerdmans, p. 886)

[O TIMOTHY editor, David Cloud: This is not a "God-sized dream"; it is the vision of the Harlot that John recorded in Revelation 17. [Lucado and Promise Keepers are] confused about the church. It certainly is not all the alleged Christian denominations. The focus on the New Testament Scriptures is upon the church as a local body of baptized believers organized according to the apostolic pattern for the fulfillment of the Great Commission. This is the church which is the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Tim. 3). To define the "church" as the denominations and to call for this hodgepodge of doctrinal and moral confusion "to stand together" is utter confusion. The denominations today are more akin to the Harlot of Revelation 17 than to the church of Jesus Christ.]

And HER clergy are called Lusted-After fruits.





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May 2nd, 2017, 4:22 am #29

Yes, according to the inspired Word of God
John 5 (KJV)
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The matter here is that if God is the Father of Jesus (and we know that He is), then even though Jesus is the Son of God, then HE IS ALSO EQUAL TO GOD. EQUAL MEANS = ??? Jesus can't be a lower god, can He? Lower is not equal in mathematics.

The claim that if Jesus is God then He is also the Father, is now debunked, null and void.

Shame on anyone believing that the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ would be just a (g)od.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]In a recent post, Dave said: "It isn't about NOT discussing the Trinity doctrine or ANY doctrine. No one wants to discuss ANYTHING here."

Well, Dave, this is your opportunity to clarify your stance. Which one does Dave really believe:

(1) That Jesus is NOT the Father?
----------------- or -----------------
(2) That Jesus is "the Everlasting Father"?
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May 2nd, 2017, 6:42 pm #30

Jesus talking to Donnie

John 5
45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?


So, which is it? Jesus, the Son of God, Jesus the Creator, Jesus the Father, or Jesus/God???

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

John 1
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Luke 2
49 And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?”
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