Jay Guin: List of False Teachings at Wineskins

Ken
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November 11th, 2010, 1:54 pm #1

Jay Guin: List of Reviews

http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Reviews.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.The.Promi ... pirit.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.What.is.A ... skins.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Instrumen ... ament.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.New.Wines ... sions.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Church.of ... .Born.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.1.Corinthians.10.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.The.Fork.in.The.Road.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Dancing.in.Worship.html
http://www.piney.com/New.Wineskins.Inst ... .Guin.html

http://www.piney.com/Danny.Corbitt.Instruments.html
http://www.piney.com/Danny.Corbit.Justi ... Music.html




Jesus Christ the LOGOS is the Regulative Principle. People who are ANTI-Regulative are ANTI-Logos or ANTI-Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Regulative.Princip ... hrist.html

<b>People who debunk the Regulative Principle are attached to a Worship Service and not A School of Christ.

Jay Guin also teaches that the baptism of the holy spirit is still in effect:

Jay Guin The Promise of the Holy Spirit<b>

http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.The.Promi ... pirit.html



http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Reviews.html

I posted that the Synagogue was the pattern for the Church of Christ in the wilderness.
It was INCLUSIVE of rest, reading and Rehearsing.
Jay follows Al Maxey who claims the synagogue was NOT commanded, men added the synagogue, therefore, WE can add instruments and sow discord and grace will cover up what he confesses is NOT commanded.

In fact Jesus added the Lord's Supper to the synagogue which was ONLY for reading and discussing the Word of Christ in the prophets and apostles. The Campbells called that A School of Christ (only)

I posted proof that all scholars including Stephen connected the ekklesia to the qahal or synagogue.
If these musical adders are wrong then they have passed beyond the zone of redemption.



Jay Guin defends K.C.Moser who taught that to OBEY the gospel meant that you BELIEVED the gospel. He says you cannot have faith in commands. I believe that Moser and disciples blaspheme the Spirit of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/K.C.Moser.Gospel.Obeyed.html

John would defined them as Antichrists for defining the Spirit OF Christ as another "people" about their size.

http://www.piney.com/K.C.Moser.Indwelling.Spirit.html




On God's Salvation, Galatians, and the Instrument

New Wineskins
by Jay Guin
September - October, 2010

Accompanied or A Capella?The instrumental debate in the Restoration Movement goes back to Civil War times, meaning that weve had 150 years to refine and sharpen our arguments. Both sides have gotten pretty good at making them and at ignoring what the other side says.

Its often been said, by both sides, that the dispute is ultimately all about hermeneutics, and indeed , it is. But the fork in the road is not where we normally say. Its not really about what the early Christian bishops wrote, nor about the meaning of psall, nor about how to read the silences of the scriptures. Not really. Of course, those arguments matter and need to be addressed, but they arent the core of the disagreement.

Its really about who God is and his eternal plan for his people. Did God send Jesus to save us to worship a cappella? Or did he have entirely different purposes in mind? Thats the question.

And its the most important question in the entire debate. You see, once we decide that God is the sort of God who might damn over a piano, we begin to worry about whether he might also damn over how we use the church treasury, whether women wear hats to church, or whether elders are re-affirmed. Once you envision a God who damns over such things, theres really no end to the rules that your God might damn you over.

For any student of Restoration Movement history, the fruit of our teaching is seen in our countless divisions. Of course, we arent alone. The Baptists and many other denominations are severely divided as well. But that hardly excuses our behavior. Rather, it just tells us that we arent alone in our failure to understand who God really is.

(Imagine that a father tells his son to cut the grass. The son agonizes over whether the instructions should be interpreted to permit him to listen to his iPod while he works or does the fathers silence imply a prohibition? He fights with his sisters over the correct interpretation and even divides the family, because he loves the father too much to tolerate the presence of those who disagree. He soon begins to wonder whether grass includes weeds. He agonizes so much he never cuts the grass but he presents his father with an excellent grammatical analysis of the command.)

(Luke 6:43-44 ESV)

43 "For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit, 44 for each tree is known by its own fruit. For figs are not gathered from thornbushes, nor are grapes picked from a bramble bush.


.....more to come.......</b></b>
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November 11th, 2010, 8:30 pm #2

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Dave,

First, do you ever click "Preview" or "Edit" before you click "Respond" to submit your post? As you know, previewing or editing is really helpful as it ensures a more accurate reporting and better readability (such as a blank line between paragraphs). If in previewing, certain punctuation marks "disappear," use Notepad to locate and replace the marks (single quotation mark or apostrophe, double quotation mark, dash, etc.). Many of these marks are missing in the article above.

Based on the title, Jay Guin so far has not dealt with God's salvation and Galatians . Instrumental music must be his specialty: he made that assertion in the first paragraph and it appears to be his main thrust in his article.

We do not prohibit the other side from posting its arguments and opinions, but you said nothing of Jay Guin's background. So, I will do that in order not to misled the reader.

In my response to Sonny's article titled "A Brief Historical Timeline Of The Genesis Of Change Agents In The Church Of Christ" [which is currently in a "locked" status], I listed a few of the "change agents" operating in the brotherhood as follows (and I will highlight Jay Guin's name -- the author of the article you've submitted for discussion):[/color]
-- Rubel Shelly
-- Max Lucado
-- Leroy Garret
-- John Mark Hicks
-- Joe Beam
-- Rick Atchley
-- Al Maxey
-- John York
-- Mike Cope
-- Ronnie Norman
-- Jay Guin -- author of above article
-- et al
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The list of "change agents" is not complete by all means. The "et al" simply indicates there are more "change agents" not on the list.

Now that we have identified with which side Jay Guin aligns himself, another of Dave's favorite change agents (besides Al Maxey). let the discussion begin as many of Jay's statements are debatable.[/color]
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November 12th, 2010, 5:05 am #3

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For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Phil 3:3

Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. Phil 3:2

G2699 katatom kat-at-om-ay' From a compound of G2596 and temn (to cut); a cutting down (off), that is, mutilation (ironically):concision. Compare G609 .

Noting that in the Greek world musicians even after people got wise and shut down the sacrificial altars were still called PARASITES because they didn't want to work for a living.

Iamblichus.

5. Because the begging priest with open mouth attempts in many ways to raise our expectations. 13

13. The agurtes or begging priest generally belonged to the worship of Rhea or Cybele, the Mother [Zoe]. He is frequently depicted in a most unfavorable light. Apuleius speaks of a company of these emasculate priests in the eighth book of the Metamorphoses. They are also described in the Republic of Plato: "Agurtæ and Mantics frequent the houses of the rich and persuade them that they possess a power granted by the gods to expiate,

by sacrifices and chants any unjust act that has been committed and that they induce the gods by blandishments and magic rites to help them.

They collected money in this way, and they also followed the selling of nostrums and telling of fortunes."

Gal 5:12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

51 - And on these days Galloi are made. For while the rest are playing flutes and performing their rites, frenzy soon enters into many

Lucretius (98 - c. 55 BC): The Worship of Cybele

Wherefore great Mother of gods, and Mother of beasts,
And parent of man hath she alone been named.
Her hymned the old and learned bards of Greece....

Do name Idaean , giving her

Escort of Phrygian bands, since first, they say,

From out those regions 'twas that grain began
Through all the world. To her do they assign
The Galli, the emasculate, since thus
They wish to show that men who violate
The majesty of the Mother and have proved
Ingrate to parents are to be adjudged
Unfit to give unto the shores of light

A living progeny. The Galli come:

And hollow cymbals, tight-skinned tambourines
Resound around to bangings of their hands;
The fierce horns threaten with a raucous bray;
The tubed pipe excites their maddened minds

In Phrygian measures; they bear before them knives,
Wild emblems of their frenzy, which have power
The rabble's ingrate heads and impious hearts
To panic with terror of the goddess' might.

All honour to that king of the Scythians, whoever Anacharsis was,
..........who shot with an arrow one of his subjects who imitated among the Scythians
the mystery of the Mother of the gods, as practised by the inhabitants of Cyzicus,

beating a drum and sounding a cymbal
strung from his neck like a priest of Cybele,
..........condemning him as having become effeminate among the Greeks,
..........and a teacher of the disease of effeminacy to the rest of the Cythians.

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Dave
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November 14th, 2010, 5:31 am #4

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Dave,

First, do you ever click "Preview" or "Edit" before you click "Respond" to submit your post? As you know, previewing or editing is really helpful as it ensures a more accurate reporting and better readability (such as a blank line between paragraphs). If in previewing, certain punctuation marks "disappear," use Notepad to locate and replace the marks (single quotation mark or apostrophe, double quotation mark, dash, etc.). Many of these marks are missing in the article above.

Based on the title, Jay Guin so far has not dealt with God's salvation and Galatians . Instrumental music must be his specialty: he made that assertion in the first paragraph and it appears to be his main thrust in his article.

We do not prohibit the other side from posting its arguments and opinions, but you said nothing of Jay Guin's background. So, I will do that in order not to misled the reader.

In my response to Sonny's article titled "A Brief Historical Timeline Of The Genesis Of Change Agents In The Church Of Christ" [which is currently in a "locked" status], I listed a few of the "change agents" operating in the brotherhood as follows (and I will highlight Jay Guin's name -- the author of the article you've submitted for discussion):[/color]
-- Rubel Shelly
-- Max Lucado
-- Leroy Garret
-- John Mark Hicks
-- Joe Beam
-- Rick Atchley
-- Al Maxey
-- John York
-- Mike Cope
-- Ronnie Norman
-- Jay Guin -- author of above article
-- et al
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The list of "change agents" is not complete by all means. The "et al" simply indicates there are more "change agents" not on the list.

Now that we have identified with which side Jay Guin aligns himself, another of Dave's favorite change agents (besides Al Maxey). let the discussion begin as many of Jay's statements are debatable.[/color]
Donnie, 3 Things about your response of this article

1--Wonderful, Donnie, that you mentioned...."We do not prohibit the other side from posting its arguments and opinions,..."
---You mentioned 'the other side'-----that says it all. If they are on the side of God, then where does that leave you?
Matthew 12
30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

2--When do I get added to the list?
3--As far as editing......I will leave that up to you. I will take content over crossing a t any day.
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November 14th, 2010, 10:43 am #5

Dave, 3 things:

1. "We do not prohibit the other side from posting its arguments and opinions,..." means: This website is "fair and balanced; we report, you decide." In addition, we will expose "the other side" -- the change agents -- and their erroneous beliefs and teachings acquired (BORROWED) from their denominational neighbors.

2. Supporters, followers and disciples of "change agents" are automatically and unconditionally added to the list.

3. I think that you misunderstood my suggestions regarding the PREVIEW or EDIT functions PRIOR TO posting. Here's what I meant, e.g., 3 of probably several occurrences. The following paragraphs beginning with:
"Its often been said...." vs. "It's often been said...."
"Its really about who God is...." vs. "It's really about who God is...."
"And its the most important...." vs. "And it's the most important...."
Remember its [oops ... that should be "it's"] not the original author's fault. Don't embarrass him/her.
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Dr. Bill Crump
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November 14th, 2010, 3:23 pm #6

Donnie, 3 Things about your response of this article

1--Wonderful, Donnie, that you mentioned...."We do not prohibit the other side from posting its arguments and opinions,..."
---You mentioned 'the other side'-----that says it all. If they are on the side of God, then where does that leave you?
Matthew 12
30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

2--When do I get added to the list?
3--As far as editing......I will leave that up to you. I will take content over crossing a t any day.
Dave wrote to Donnie: "As far as editing......I will leave that up to you. I will take content over crossing a t any day." Dave takes a defensive attitude when anyone corrects him about spelling/punctuation. It's as if Dave is saying, "I don't give a plugged nickel for spelling/punctuation and prefer to be illiterate any day than to have YOU correct me!" That just mars whatever "content" Dave posts even more.
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November 14th, 2010, 10:51 pm #7

Actually, I was not correcting Dave. Rather, I was keeping Dave from embarrassing Jay Guin, the original author of the article that was copy-and-pasted. Dave did not bother to ensure that Jay Guin's article was accurately copied.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

November 14th, 2010, 11:27 pm #8

Well, if a person copies and pastes an article with numerous punctuation (or other) errors, it shows that the person either didn't read the article carefully or s/he didn't recognize whether the article was punctuated correctly or not. Poorly written or poorly punctuated articles leave a bad impression with literate readers, and the points that the authors try to make are diminished. Such articles say that the authors didn't bother to learn correct spelling or grammar or sentence structure or punctuation [whichever applies] in school and they just don't care what anybody thinks about that. The same applies to those readers who cannot or will not recognize the flaws in those articles.
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Dave
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November 15th, 2010, 1:16 am #9

Actually, I was not correcting Dave. Rather, I was keeping Dave from embarrassing Jay Guin, the original author of the article that was copy-and-pasted. Dave did not bother to ensure that Jay Guin's article was accurately copied.
The manner in which I COPIED and PASTED did not deviate in any way the message or authenticity of Jay Guin's message and original post in Wineskins. There was no need to EDIT.

Calm down boys. I know what I was getting into when I started posting here. Slanders and constant false accusations. The fact is that Paul speaks of wolves within. It's not so much the nonbelievers you have to worry about. It's beyond explanation that we have those who claim to believe but want to still think that they have a better way of doing thing than God has shown.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

November 15th, 2010, 2:37 am #10

Dave is trying to sound "righteous." What utter hypocrisy! Give us a break. For one who created threads at FaithSite to smear those with whom he disagreed and as one who continues to smear folks at Concerned Members, Dave should be the LAST person to accuse others of "slander," "false accusations," and being "wolves." Mote and beam, boy, mote and beam.
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