Jay Guin: List of False Teachings at Wineskins

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November 15th, 2010, 2:54 am #11

The manner in which I COPIED and PASTED did not deviate in any way the message or authenticity of Jay Guin's message and original post in Wineskins. There was no need to EDIT.

Calm down boys. I know what I was getting into when I started posting here. Slanders and constant false accusations. The fact is that Paul speaks of wolves within. It's not so much the nonbelievers you have to worry about. It's beyond explanation that we have those who claim to believe but want to still think that they have a better way of doing thing than God has shown.
Dave,

I think you've elevated your own blood pressure yourself.

I was only trying to protect Jay Guin, the author of the original article, from being criticized as a writer lacking in grammar proficiency. After all, YOU were the one who COPIED his written work, and you did not bother to review or preview to ensure that your copy-and-paste function worked properly.

And you did the same with Jay Guin's other article.

I really DO NOT CARE about how you draft your own messages for posting. They're never edited for that reason. But I think we all should be more careful when we publish someone else's article.

Just from that article alone, I found the following where the single quotation mark was missing. There may be more:
  • weve had 150 years
    </li>
  • Its often been said
    </li>
  • Its not really about what the early
    </li>
  • but they arent the core
    </li>
  • Its really about who God is
    </li>
  • Thats the question
    </li>
  • And its the most important question
    </li>
  • theres really no end to
    </li>
  • Of course, we arent alone
    </li>
  • Rather, it just tells us that we arent alone in
    </li>
  • does the fathers silence imply</li>
That's not including missing quotation marks, dashes, etc., that were obviously present in Jay Guin's original article(s).

Your choice. But it has nothing to do with deviating from the content of the message. As far as content goes, as I said before, we haven't even begun to debate his opinions and ideas vs. the truth.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

November 15th, 2010, 3:20 am #12

When I posted articles by John Waddey, I noticed occasional typos and corrected them before posting.
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November 15th, 2010, 3:25 am #13

Dave,

I think you've elevated your own blood pressure yourself.

I was only trying to protect Jay Guin, the author of the original article, from being criticized as a writer lacking in grammar proficiency. After all, YOU were the one who COPIED his written work, and you did not bother to review or preview to ensure that your copy-and-paste function worked properly.

And you did the same with Jay Guin's other article.

I really DO NOT CARE about how you draft your own messages for posting. They're never edited for that reason. But I think we all should be more careful when we publish someone else's article.

Just from that article alone, I found the following where the single quotation mark was missing. There may be more:
  • weve had 150 years
    </li>
  • Its often been said
    </li>
  • Its not really about what the early
    </li>
  • but they arent the core
    </li>
  • Its really about who God is
    </li>
  • Thats the question
    </li>
  • And its the most important question
    </li>
  • theres really no end to
    </li>
  • Of course, we arent alone
    </li>
  • Rather, it just tells us that we arent alone in
    </li>
  • does the fathers silence imply</li>
That's not including missing quotation marks, dashes, etc., that were obviously present in Jay Guin's original article(s).

Your choice. But it has nothing to do with deviating from the content of the message. As far as content goes, as I said before, we haven't even begun to debate his opinions and ideas vs. the truth.
Jay, Chris and Rick whine, like the wolf who met a Lamb with a rod of iron who never was tolerant of the musical mockers. That's what they were doing in WinterPest.

The Future of the Progressive Churches of Christ

In the interview, Rick and Chris made a powerful point regarding the future of the progressive Churches of Christ, which is that these churches are plateaued and soon to die if they dont change.


pla·teau (pl-t)
n. pl. pla·teaus or pla·teaux (-tz)
1. An elevated, comparatively level expanse of land; a tableland.
2. A relatively stable level, period, or state: Mortgage rates declined, then reached a plateau.
intr.v. pla·teaued, pla·teau·ing, pla·teaus
To reach a stable level; level off: "The tension seemed to grow by degrees, then it plateaued" (Tom Clancy).

I think Donnie and Piney would say that the "progressives" did not plateaued so much as they were cut off below the Arch Support.

That means that on the 28000 foot summit, they scooped off about 12 feet of the crumbly stuff.

In the words of their Warlock (1 per 10,000 witches) they did not NAVIGATE the winds of change but huffed and puffed and even Job knew better:

Job 15:2 Should a wise man utter vain knowledge, and fill his belly with the east wind?
Job 15:3 Should he reason with unprofitable talk? or with speeches wherewith he can do no good?


I have done my review of Al Maxey and, I kid you not, the MARK is absolute: there is no recorded evidence that any religious musician has been any straighter than a coiled viper. I hate to out these people but the old PURPLE HAIRS had it figured out and fled Babylon long ago.

http://www.piney.com/Al.Maxey.Reflectiv ... eview.html






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November 15th, 2010, 3:33 am #14

Dave,

I think you've elevated your own blood pressure yourself.

I was only trying to protect Jay Guin, the author of the original article, from being criticized as a writer lacking in grammar proficiency. After all, YOU were the one who COPIED his written work, and you did not bother to review or preview to ensure that your copy-and-paste function worked properly.

And you did the same with Jay Guin's other article.

I really DO NOT CARE about how you draft your own messages for posting. They're never edited for that reason. But I think we all should be more careful when we publish someone else's article.

Just from that article alone, I found the following where the single quotation mark was missing. There may be more:
  • weve had 150 years
    </li>
  • Its often been said
    </li>
  • Its not really about what the early
    </li>
  • but they arent the core
    </li>
  • Its really about who God is
    </li>
  • Thats the question
    </li>
  • And its the most important question
    </li>
  • theres really no end to
    </li>
  • Of course, we arent alone
    </li>
  • Rather, it just tells us that we arent alone in
    </li>
  • does the fathers silence imply</li>
That's not including missing quotation marks, dashes, etc., that were obviously present in Jay Guin's original article(s).

Your choice. But it has nothing to do with deviating from the content of the message. As far as content goes, as I said before, we haven't even begun to debate his opinions and ideas vs. the truth.
This following is from the first paragraph. I am not sure why it is in parenthesis.

(Imagine that a father tells his son to cut the grass. The son agonizes over whether the instructions should be interpreted to permit him to listen to his iPod while he works or does the fathers silence imply a prohibition? He fights with his sisters over the correct interpretation and even divides the family, because he loves the father too much to tolerate the presence of those who disagree. He soon begins to wonder whether grass includes weeds. He agonizes so much he never cuts the grass but he presents his father with an excellent grammatical analysis of the command.)

Would not a son that was interested in doing the best job at cutting the grass, want to be certain that nothing would distract him from doing the best job possible? If listening to an iPod, does not allow the son to hear further instruction or the son is not able to hear the noise of the destruction of the mower, would not the iPod be wrong? And then the job of mowing the lawn does not get done, because of factors that had nothing to do with mowing the lawn got in the way, have we not shamed the father for not doing his will?
The son was told to do a job and something separated him from doing so.

In Jay's writing we can see why there is so many problems in society. If kids are not given at least the knowledge from the experience of an adult, there would become a completely unproductive society, for God and our fellow man. What church would have Jay as a leader?
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November 15th, 2010, 3:52 am #15

When I posted articles by John Waddey, I noticed occasional typos and corrected them before posting.
But in this case, it wasn't Jay Guin's fault. It was Dave who DID NOT PREVIEW the copied material to ensure it was exactly as originally written -- with or without grammatical errors.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

November 15th, 2010, 4:15 am #16

Dave said he copied and pasted Guin's articles. Alright, if they had the punctuation marks originally, why would the marks be missing when Dave pasted them, unless Dave's cut-and-paste software removed them, and Dave didn't bother to reinsert them? I submitted a response in more detail about that.
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Joined: January 2nd, 2005, 6:45 am

November 15th, 2010, 5:32 am #17

But in this case, it wasn't Jay Guin's fault. It was Dave who DID NOT PREVIEW the copied material to ensure it was exactly as originally written -- with or without grammatical errors.
NOTE: I have a saved copy of Dr. Crump's earlier post. Sorry, but here it is now.


Dr. Bill Crump
Re: Blood Pressure


If Jay Guin's original articles lacked all those punctuation marks, why did Dave write, "There was no need to EDIT"? Or maybe Dave's cut-and-paste software removed all punctuation marks (if so, that's lousy software), in which case they should have been inserted afterwards--if Dave had been paying attention. Either way, Guin's articles should have been cleaned up as far as missing punctuation marks were concerned. Whatever the cause for the missing punctuation marks, good writing does NOT leave out those marks. Yet Dave apparently doesn't understand that. Absolutely unbelievable!

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November 15th, 2010, 6:47 am #18

When I posted articles by John Waddey, I noticed occasional typos and corrected them before posting.
I found Dave's source: On God's Salvation, Galatians, and the Instrument

I was very sure that the original online document was not the problem. As you can see for yourself, it was all there: the single quotation mark, double quotation mark, dash, italicization, even the unprintable character in "psallo" which became "psall" with the last character missing.

I pointed out in my initial response (first paragraph):
First, do you ever click "Preview" or "Edit" before you click "Respond" to submit your post? As you know, previewing or editing is really helpful as it ensures a more accurate reporting and better readability (such as a blank line between paragraphs). If in previewing, certain punctuation marks "disappear," use Notepad to locate and replace the marks (single quotation mark or apostrophe, double quotation mark, dash, etc.). Many of these marks are missing in the article above.
This forum network's editor, in the case of "copy-and-paste" data or information in the message text window, does not recognize certain punctuation marks and special characters. (Do not mistake the difference between: (a) the copied info and (b) what is actually being keyed in the text window.) So, to remedy the situation, find all these marks and special characters and rekey or key over them. You will notice the difference between the original and the rekeyed character.

The other alternative is to use "Notepad" to draft your post that involves "copy-and-paste" information. Use the same process as above in rekeying those special marks and special characters.

Final word -- we are not bringing up this issue anymore. This forum does not edit posts because of grammatical errors. We can only offer help or suggestion such as one described above.

There are numerous debatable viewpoints and opinions that Jay Guin has presented. Let's go on with the discussion.
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Dave
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November 15th, 2010, 4:03 pm #19

This following is from the first paragraph. I am not sure why it is in parenthesis.

(Imagine that a father tells his son to cut the grass. The son agonizes over whether the instructions should be interpreted to permit him to listen to his iPod while he works or does the fathers silence imply a prohibition? He fights with his sisters over the correct interpretation and even divides the family, because he loves the father too much to tolerate the presence of those who disagree. He soon begins to wonder whether grass includes weeds. He agonizes so much he never cuts the grass but he presents his father with an excellent grammatical analysis of the command.)

Would not a son that was interested in doing the best job at cutting the grass, want to be certain that nothing would distract him from doing the best job possible? If listening to an iPod, does not allow the son to hear further instruction or the son is not able to hear the noise of the destruction of the mower, would not the iPod be wrong? And then the job of mowing the lawn does not get done, because of factors that had nothing to do with mowing the lawn got in the way, have we not shamed the father for not doing his will?
The son was told to do a job and something separated him from doing so.

In Jay's writing we can see why there is so many problems in society. If kids are not given at least the knowledge from the experience of an adult, there would become a completely unproductive society, for God and our fellow man. What church would have Jay as a leader?
AM,
Are you ASSUMING that an Ipod would distract the son from doing the job? For some people music makes the job seem easier. The ipod would not cancel out all of the sounds of the mower even if the son had the volume of the ipod full blast. Why would that matter anyway? Is the sound of the mower going to keep the son from doing the job. If the son sees the mower cutting grass, does he need the sound of the mower?
You seem to assume a great deal.
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AM
AM

November 15th, 2010, 8:19 pm #20

Obviously the iPod and the lawn mower story, is an analogy about focus and worship. Would listening to an iPod during worship, distract from worship? Did Jesus look for an easier way to worship God? Would the iPod keep someone from hearing some soul asking for help? Would the iPod keep someone from doing what God wants us to do?

Do you wear an iPod to worship?

What do you think the iPod represents?

Have you noticed that when a kid has an iPod, he is oblivious to his surrounding, tends to ignore everything and interacts with no one. It is hard to express the fruit of the spirit if one does not interact.

You seem to not catch on!

Why is your heart so hard?
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