Jason Shepherd false Shepherd at Madison Part A

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November 8th, 2013, 5:37 pm #21

Donnie it is time to get real about what's happening at Madison. What do you want to know? Future plans? Hidden agenda? Ask away.
I have a question:

What is a "Head Shepherd"? Does that not suggest that all others are just staff?

And is there a conflict in Job title as referenced in 1 Peter 5:4 "When the Head Shepherd comes again, you will get the crown of shining-greatness that will not come to an end".

The title could sound like religious Narcissism.
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November 9th, 2013, 1:22 am #22

Donnie, you very well know that you don't have to say, "S/he is bound for hell" or "S/he is going to hell" to consign people to hell. Let's put it this way: You believe that people who interpret the Scriptures differently from you will not fare well at the Final Judgment. Cutting to the chase, you believe that such people will be damned. Is that not true? You and Ken have collectively denounced people with different interpretations as "blasphemers" and "antichrists"; hence, you have as much as consigned them to hell. You have assumed a role that God reserves only for Himself.

On the other hand, Donnie, should you choose to back-pedal and say, "I don't believe different Scriptural interpretations will automatically land people in hell," then something you said prompted Dave to write the following about you: ""There is your interpretation and then there is hell for anyone else that offers interpretations that differ from yours."

I submit that Dave got that idea from reading your and Ken's collective denunciations of people with different interpretations as "blasphemers" and "antichrists."
1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

To deny that Jesus of Nazareth was a MAN of flesh and became son, Lord, Christ etal BECAUSE God Made Him to Be so is the definition of Antichrist. If you say that He was HE WAS GOD because the WORD is GOD then you insist that Jesus WAS AND IS the ONE GOD who came in the flesh then John defines you as an antichrist.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he
.....that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist,
.....that denieth the Father and the Son.
1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but)
.....he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Jesus in John 14 acknowledges only A GOD the Father and A SON the Man Jesus of Nazareth. John has acknowledged only the two actors: One is the ONE God and His Agent ONE MAN Jesus of Nazareth. If you say that Jesus was a God person who returned to His God status you cannot read John 6 which ASKS "what if you se the SON OF MAN return from whether the SON OF MAN originated then you refuse to read the text.

1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Long after Jesus was translated into the Spiritual realm, Paul said;

1Timothy 2:5 For there is ONE God,
and one mediator between God and men,
the MAN Christ Jesus;

Trying to make Jesus born of a woman already existing as a Divine person has no other sensical motive other than to defend the trinity. If you deny that their is ONE GOD you are ANTICHRIST because Jesus acknowledged that there is ONE GOD then you tell Jesus that He is a liar and that is AGAINST Jesus Christ.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY BEINGS THERE ARE IN THOSE OTHER DIMENSIONS. However, if you say that Jesus WAS-IS Word then you refute the claim of Jesus and John. If you put words into the mouth of God then it is reasonable that you put words into the mouth of those who quote scripture.

Again it was the SON OF MAN Who returned to somewhere and not THE ETERNAL SON OF GOD.
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November 9th, 2013, 2:12 am #23

On November 6, 10:56 a.m., Dave wrote: "Your response (and many more such as this last one), Donnie, is the reason why I have decided to forgo any further discussion and/or responses here at Concerned Members."

On November 7, 9:31 a.m., Dave wrote again, revoking his decision not to post.

In the earlier note, referring to Donnie, Dave said "There is your interpretation and then there is hell for anyone else that offers interpretations that differ from yours." That is, Dave says that Donnie is condemning to hell those that violate the scriptural teaching, but this I think Donnie says he is not doing.

In the later note, Dave speaking of Donnie in regard to MATTHEW 10:28, Dave said "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One (God) who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Do you not fear and respect the One True Living God?"

Is Dave condemning Donnie to torment, even as he said Donnie was condemning others to torment?

So, is the unforgivable sin the sin of condemning others. Can we condemn those who condemn others?
My take on Dave's note when he quotes Matt. 10:28--as far as this site is concerned, Dave is telling us not to give heed to those who would consign us to hell because we do not embrace their personal theology; rather, we should be concerned that we do not offend God, who can literally destroy our body AND soul in hell.
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November 9th, 2013, 2:36 am #24

"Head Shepherd", you should not blow your cover with this description. Keep yourself anonymous. We all now know who you are.

Two questions I have:

1. Is it scriptural to have a "head" shepherd?

2. When do you intend to take "Madison Church of Christ" off the site, and call it the "Madison Church"?
Soon!
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November 9th, 2013, 2:49 am #25

1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

To deny that Jesus of Nazareth was a MAN of flesh and became son, Lord, Christ etal BECAUSE God Made Him to Be so is the definition of Antichrist. If you say that He was HE WAS GOD because the WORD is GOD then you insist that Jesus WAS AND IS the ONE GOD who came in the flesh then John defines you as an antichrist.

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he
.....that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist,
.....that denieth the Father and the Son.
1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but)
.....he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Jesus in John 14 acknowledges only A GOD the Father and A SON the Man Jesus of Nazareth. John has acknowledged only the two actors: One is the ONE God and His Agent ONE MAN Jesus of Nazareth. If you say that Jesus was a God person who returned to His God status you cannot read John 6 which ASKS "what if you se the SON OF MAN return from whether the SON OF MAN originated then you refuse to read the text.

1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Long after Jesus was translated into the Spiritual realm, Paul said;

1Timothy 2:5 For there is ONE God,
and one mediator between God and men,
the MAN Christ Jesus;

Trying to make Jesus born of a woman already existing as a Divine person has no other sensical motive other than to defend the trinity. If you deny that their is ONE GOD you are ANTICHRIST because Jesus acknowledged that there is ONE GOD then you tell Jesus that He is a liar and that is AGAINST Jesus Christ.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY BEINGS THERE ARE IN THOSE OTHER DIMENSIONS. However, if you say that Jesus WAS-IS Word then you refute the claim of Jesus and John. If you put words into the mouth of God then it is reasonable that you put words into the mouth of those who quote scripture.

Again it was the SON OF MAN Who returned to somewhere and not THE ETERNAL SON OF GOD.
Let's not split hairs. Jesus the living Logos is the eternal Son of God--in heaven before He was born, on earth as a man, and back in heaven after His ascension. Jesus has always been the living Logos, the Son of God. On earth, Jesus identified Himself as the "son of man." He was both divine (Son of God) and human (son of man). Therefore, when Jesus the son of man ascended back into heaven, He ascended as the Son of God. Jesus as the son of man and Jesus as the Son of God are identical, not two separate beings.

If you do not accept what is written in the paragraph above, that is your prerogative, based on your free will. It is your prerogative simply to say, "I do not agree." However, it is NOT your prerogative to consign others to hell as "blasphemers" and "antichrists" because their beliefs clash with yours. DO NOT be foolish. DO NOT assume the role of God.
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November 9th, 2013, 3:50 am #26

My take on Dave's note when he quotes Matt. 10:28--as far as this site is concerned, Dave is telling us not to give heed to those who would consign us to hell because we do not embrace their personal theology; rather, we should be concerned that we do not offend God, who can literally destroy our body AND soul in hell.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Nice try, Bill.

Let's reserve the heaven-or-hell judgment for The Righteous Judge (II Tim. 4:8).[/color]
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November 9th, 2013, 4:26 am #27

Let's not split hairs. Jesus the living Logos is the eternal Son of God--in heaven before He was born, on earth as a man, and back in heaven after His ascension. Jesus has always been the living Logos, the Son of God. On earth, Jesus identified Himself as the "son of man." He was both divine (Son of God) and human (son of man). Therefore, when Jesus the son of man ascended back into heaven, He ascended as the Son of God. Jesus as the son of man and Jesus as the Son of God are identical, not two separate beings.

If you do not accept what is written in the paragraph above, that is your prerogative, based on your free will. It is your prerogative simply to say, "I do not agree." However, it is NOT your prerogative to consign others to hell as "blasphemers" and "antichrists" because their beliefs clash with yours. DO NOT be foolish. DO NOT assume the role of God.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Bill,

You may have just lost your ... ... ... scholarship. You are now guessing. But that's your problem.

It's good that I have already compiled the following and posted it all in another thread. It's easy to provide scripture references to help....

Bill, the REAL "Son of God" is expressed in the New Testament almost 50 times in the following manner:
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God" (Matt. 26:23)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God" (Matt. 8:29)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "Of a truth thou art the Son of God" (Matt. 14:33)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "the Christ, the Son of God" (Matt. 26:63)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "if thou be the Son of God" (Matt. 27:40)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "I am the Son of God" (Matt. 27:40; John 10:36)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "truly this was the Son of God" (Matt. 27:54)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God" (Mark 1:1)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "Thou art the Son of God" (Mark 3:11; John 1:49)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "truly this man was the Son of God" (Mark 15:39)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "shall be born of thee shall be called [FUTURE] the Son of God" (Luke 1:35)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "Thou art Christ the Son of God" (Luke 4:41)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "Jesus, thou Son of God" (Luke 8:28)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "Art thou then the Son of God?" (Luke 22:70)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God" (John 1:34)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "shall hear the voice of the Son of God" (John 5:25)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "believe on the Son of God" (John 9:35)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "that the Son of God might be glorified" (John 11:4)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "thou art the Christ, the Son of God" (John 11:27)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" (John 20:31)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "that Jesus Christ is the Son of God" (Acts 8:37)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "that he is the Son of God" (Acts 9:20)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "declared to be the Son of God with power" (Rom. 1:4)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "the Son of God, Jesus Christ" (II Cor. 1:19)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "Jesus the Son of God" (Heb. 4:14)
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  • [color=#FF0000" size="4" face="times] "that Jesus is the Son of God" (I John 4:15)[/color]</li>
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Notice how "personable" these expressions which are found in the New Testament [ONLY]? In personal communication between Jesus Christ and those with whom He was in contact? Here on earth?[/color]
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November 13th, 2013, 1:35 am #28

Jason Shepherds CREED--since he is the FRONT MAN--carrying out the CONTRACT will be examined here.

http://www.piney.com/Jason.Shepherd.Mad ... ch.of.html

Since they volunteered to fall into Strong Delusions each of their CREED ARTICLES must be a deliberate ANTI-Christian path because no Disciple of Christ could ever make such terminal confessions.

Whatever evil lurks at the bottom of the snake pit, Jason Shepherd has been the false leaders preparing the youth and is the FRONT for elders turned WOLVES craunching the bones of the flock they have invaded.

The Fullness of the GODHEAD does not mean that God has three HEADS or in the words of LU and John Mark Hicks, three centers of consciousness. Having God (Theos) or Jesus Lord (Kurios) dwell IN use is conditioned on our being filled with divine influence marked by Keeping the WORDS Jesus spoke from GOD. In the same sense WE dwell in Father-Son to the extent we keep God's commandments (John 14).

The PAGAN Godhead had many family members and the MEANING and mark is that they will be filled with Enthus-O-Mania or having the "gods" take control of their body while they sing or do anything but examine yourself during the Lord's Supper.

The instrumental idolatry at Mount Sinai defiled or profaned the rest day. Profane is Chalal meaning to play the flute, steal your inheritance (in tithes and offerings), pollute and prostitue. It has the same meaning as HALAL or David's praise word meaning "to make self VILE in the belief that God would take pity." Halal is the root of the LUCIFER word whom Christ said was the "singing and harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden."

Over and over and over the Epistles demands that we SILENCE the musical performers SO THAT we can speak that which is written for our learning. Madison's team has nothing to do with LEARNING but they PRAISE which the same "making self vile" in the belief that they can seduce a god.



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November 13th, 2013, 2:22 am #29

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Nice try, Bill.

Let's reserve the heaven-or-hell judgment for The Righteous Judge (II Tim. 4:8).[/color]
When people brand others with different interpretations as "blasphemers" and "antichrists," they as much as consign those others to hell. So yes, learn to yield the ultimate decision to the Righteous Judge.
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November 13th, 2013, 3:54 pm #30

The instrumental idolatry at Mount Sinai defiled or profaned the rest day. Profane is Chalal meaning to play the flute, steal your inheritance (in tithes and offerings), pollute and prostitue. It has the same meaning as HALAL or David's praise word meaning "to make self VILE in the belief that God would take pity." Halal is the root of the LUCIFER word whom Christ said was the "singing and harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden."

Over and over and over the Epistles demands that we SILENCE the musical performers SO THAT we can speak that which is written for our learning. Madison's team has nothing to do with LEARNING but they PRAISE which the same "making self vile" in the belief that they can seduce a god.



Ken, you may want to "shop around" to find something that fits your needs. HALAL means to praise as well. Don't just take my word for it.

Psalm 150
King James Version (KJV)

1 Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.

2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.

3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.

4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.

6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.
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