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The Spirit OF Christ defined Messiah's future Rest in the Assembly of Christ both inclusively and exclusively. Those who mouth Isaiah 9:6 have no interest in the rest of Isaiah which is to despise the Spirit OF Christ.Well, at least Donnie's "god Jesus" is a step closer to "Jesus is God."
Donnie posted: Truly, Jesus Christ has a God: "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:" (Eph. 1:17, KJV)One of the translators of the KJV, William Tyndale (an Oxford scholar), had this written of him....
"Tyndale began preaching and teaching the gospel message, which made the Roman Catholics angry with him, branding him a heretic. One day, while proving a "learned" Roman Catholic scholar wrong, the papist cried out, "It were better for us to be without God's laws, than without the Pope's!" To which Tyndale prophetically replied,
"I defy the Pope, and all his laws; and if God spare my life, ere many years, I will cause a boy that driveth the plough to know more of the Scripture than you do!""
Also, written of Tyndale...
"Tyndale was well suited to his task. Spalatin, a friend of Martin Luther, wrote this in his diary of what professor Herman Buschius told him about Tyndale and his New Testament:
"The work was translated by an Englishman staying there with two others,--a man so skilled in the seven languages, Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Italian, Spanish, English, and French, that which-ever he spake, you would suppose it his native tongue" (Translators Revived, pp. 27-28)"
...but Ken and Donnie believe they know better
Get my name off of your post. Can you do that???In its primary sense, Isaiah 9:6 speaks of Isaiah's Son. His son will be an elohim.
Is. 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God [Elohim] , The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus would not be JEHOVAH or Lord-God. and in fulfilment:
Matt. 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Emmanuel "Immanuel, a type name of Isaiah’s son:—Immanuel." In prophecy and fulfillment Jesus would be an ELOHIM but not Jehovah-Elohim.
Elohim has nothing to with a SPIRITUAL Deity or the Almighty: Jesus would not BE the Almighty but His NAME would be CALLED after His FATHER.
Ex. 18:10 And Jethro said, Blessed be the LORD, who hath delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians, and out of the hand of Pharaoh, who hath delivered the people from under the hand of the Egyptians.
Ex. 18:11 Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods<b>: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them..</b>
Jesus an elohim said that My FATHER is Greter than I. Any ruler good-bad-ugly is an elohim. It was the ELOHIM who creted, bara or CAST DOWN the heavens and earth speaking of earth domination by the Sumerian clergy.
Ex. 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges [Elohim] ; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
Ex. 22:8 If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall be brought unto the judges [Elohim], to see whether he have put his hand unto his neighbour’s goods.
Ex. 22:9 For all manner of trespass, whether it be for ox, for ass, for sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing, which another challengeth to be his, the cause of both parties shall come before the judges; [Elohim] and whom the judges shall condemn, he shall pay double unto his neighbour.
Ex. 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, [Elohim] save unto the LORD [Jehovah] only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
Judg. 6:31 And Joash said unto all that stood against him, Will ye plead for Baal? will ye save him? he that will plead for him, let him be put to death whilst it is yet morning: if he be a god [Elohim], let him plead for himself, because one hath cast down his altar.
Judg. 11:24 Wilt not thou possess that which Chemosh THY god [Elohim] giveth thee to possess? So whomsoever the LORD OUR God shall drive out from before us, them will we possess.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Donnie posted: Truly, Jesus Christ has a God: "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:" (Eph. 1:17, KJV)
We have noted that Scripture, the Campbells and Walter Scot understood that the gift of THE Holy Spirit is really the gift of "Holy Spirit". That is one's personal spirit which is holy after sins have been washed away. Without that gift one is not a Disciple of christ and cannot read for content without wanting to make dogma out of it.
The grand apostasy was facilitated by Rubel Shelly and the Nashville Jubilee which began--they thought--transistioning all churches of Christ into the instrumental sect. The thesis which spilled over into even the most conservative groups is that THE PURPOSE OF CHURCH IS WORSHIP. And by that they meant performing religious observations believing that if they worked hard enough they could appease God and suck in all of the rich seekers. However, they could not and will never understand that the assembly has a singular purpose and works only for baptized believers who are DISCIPLES or STUDENTS.
Jesus said, "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]
Truly, Jesus Christ has a God: "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:"<i> (Eph. 1:17, KJV)</i>
It may be a great idea to keep track of the number of days or weeks or months or years before pseudo-Catholic Trinitarians will admit to accepting that that passage is from the Scripture?
God is also the head of Christ (not vice versa!) [I Corinthians 11:3]
Yes, God the Father, is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ!!! [/color]
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times](1) (John 14:9) -- God and Jesus are united, not "conjoined twins."Jesus said, "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).
"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9).
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God" (John 20:28). Jesus did not rebuke Thomas for declaring Him Lord and God.
It may be a great idea to keep track of the number of days or weeks or months or years before those who place more faith in the works of Eusebius will admit to accepting that the above and similar passages (eg, Isaiah 9:6 and Matt. 1:23) are not only from the Scriptures, but they also indicate that Jesus and God are one and the same.