Is Sunday School Biblical?

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September 13th, 2012, 10:36 pm #11

No, I am saying that there is nothing from Genesis to Revelation and early church history which would teach anything more than "Teaching that which is written for our learning."

In the Old Testament the synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness held synagogue on the evil, superstitious SEVENTH day. The abandoned Levi tribe 'worshipped the starry host" on the SEVENTH day based on astrology. All Sun or Star worshipers met on the SEVENTH day. The synagogue was specificially to PREVENT the godly tribes from attending the Jewish Sacrificial system.

The Civil-Military-Clergy "profaned" the Sabbath because God had already abandoned them to Babylon: both the Seventh day and Tithing along with the functions of clergy and the stepped ziggurat or temple. The "profane" word identifies the Cain thread and meant to "play the flute, pollute or prostitute."

A "Sabbath day's journey" was held to be about 700 feet and the outlawed WORK included "sending our ministers of God."

Isaiah promised ANOTHER DAY and Jesus came to give the REST Joshua could never provide. The eternal SUN WORSHIP threat changed to the First Day of the Week. The only commanded and exampled pattern is somewhat fulfilled by a Sunday School where "you speak the same things" by "speaking that which is written for our learning."

Women have confiscated "Sunday School" and "Children's worship" and that is why the church has been turned into a limpy burger.

There is no command or example to make SINGING an "Act of worship" before the year 373. Maybe they just didn't understand. That simple singing or cantillation was the commanded Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs which are all types of the BOOK of Psalms. Twila Paris does not qualify and neither does little-bitzy-praise singers trying to stimulate a "sexual-like climactic" esperience according to the Wimbers (Fullerites) and the message of the New Wineskins.

http://www.piney.com/VineyardIntimacy.html

Paul said there is NO COMMAND to lay by senior pastor.

There is no PREACHER in the gifts Christ (the Spirit) ordained in Ephesians 4. The teaching role of Pastor-Teacher is the elders who are more APT to teach the Bible "as it has been taught" than to chase a coon.

That's why the Restoration stripped off everything but:

Church is A school of Christ
Worship is reading and musing or discussing the Word.

Paul defined it to Timothy the EVANGELIST who WENT.

1Timothy 4:9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
1Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1Timothy 4:11 These things command and teach.
1Timothy 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
1Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [the public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
1Timothy 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
1Timothy 4:15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
1Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
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Racnor
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September 14th, 2012, 5:09 pm #12

Mindy, apparently Sunday School/Bible School/Bible Study/Daily Bible Study is a dicey subject at CM. The issue seems to hinge on nomenclature. I feel certain after eight years you and your husband have made a choice. If not, you should consult a local Pastor/Minister/Preacher/Elder/Deacon to help you with this issue.
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September 15th, 2012, 6:31 am #13

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Acts 17:[10] And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. [11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures DAILY, whether those things were so.

II Tim. 2:[15] STUDY to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the word of truth.[/color]
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September 15th, 2012, 4:58 pm #14

Li'l David play yo harp but can never grasp: that CM does not do can-can't or may-might but "what does Scripture say."

You might sing Fanny Crosby with four-part harmony. You may sing in unison. You MUST never say that Christ's silence or your Centering prayer or Purpose Driven gives you divine AUTHORITY.

Jesus didn't say: get it right, make it pay: His commanded mission was to MAKE DISCIPLES by teaching what HE commanded to be taught. That will produce A spirit able to live in a spiritual kindgom.

As Jesus of Nazareth the Messiah His mission continued that of the Prophets led by the Spirit OF Christ and the prophecies made more certain by Jesus of Nazareth a man fulfilling the Will of God and the left memories of the Apostles who were eye-- and ear--witnesses. The Apostolic message is that any other teaching is left as a MARK of a false teacher following the false prophets under the Laws of the Monarchy.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

You MAY get your authority from the Levite Soothsayers or the Mother's harpers, musicians, pipers, trumpeters or Craftsmen (Staff).

You MAY NOT say that your authority comes from God.

We MAY say that your authority came from the Babylonian Mother of Harlots. Always an identifiable HER in the changeling churches.

That is God's WAY OF ESCAPE: men writing your own sermons, songs and Bible-Class literature and rejecting the clear COMMANDS, EXAMPLES and necessary inference. This is perfectly clear to those who know the difference between a SCHOOL and a RELIGIOUS TEMPLE COMPLEX. Or for those more interested in Jesus-Speak than preachers speaking about themselves.

Those who deliberately IGNORE the Prophets blaspheme The Holy Spirit because:

1Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.


Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

No one can name a SINGLE preacher or "scholar" who has or can grasp that simple fact because PRIDE will not let them move outside of their curriculum.

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September 16th, 2012, 12:33 am #15

Mindy email me at seedsofhopeonline.com@gmail.com. I would like to discuss this issue with you free of the moderators diversion to the truth.
Mindy asked her question about Sunday School in 2004. So what took seeds of hope online eight years to show an interest in her question?
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September 16th, 2012, 3:09 pm #16

Good point "B", it just dawned on me what you were saying. Donnie said "For now Im going to respond to your question briefly. Hopefully, Ill be able to expound or elaborate on this issue later on."... Eight years pass... If not for seeds of hope would Mindy ever have her question answered?
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September 16th, 2012, 9:36 pm #17

Li'l David play yo harp but can never grasp: that CM does not do can-can't or may-might but "what does Scripture say."

You might sing Fanny Crosby with four-part harmony. You may sing in unison. You MUST never say that Christ's silence or your Centering prayer or Purpose Driven gives you divine AUTHORITY.

Jesus didn't say: get it right, make it pay: His commanded mission was to MAKE DISCIPLES by teaching what HE commanded to be taught. That will produce A spirit able to live in a spiritual kindgom.

As Jesus of Nazareth the Messiah His mission continued that of the Prophets led by the Spirit OF Christ and the prophecies made more certain by Jesus of Nazareth a man fulfilling the Will of God and the left memories of the Apostles who were eye-- and ear--witnesses. The Apostolic message is that any other teaching is left as a MARK of a false teacher following the false prophets under the Laws of the Monarchy.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Revelation 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

You MAY get your authority from the Levite Soothsayers or the Mother's harpers, musicians, pipers, trumpeters or Craftsmen (Staff).

You MAY NOT say that your authority comes from God.

We MAY say that your authority came from the Babylonian Mother of Harlots. Always an identifiable HER in the changeling churches.

That is God's WAY OF ESCAPE: men writing your own sermons, songs and Bible-Class literature and rejecting the clear COMMANDS, EXAMPLES and necessary inference. This is perfectly clear to those who know the difference between a SCHOOL and a RELIGIOUS TEMPLE COMPLEX. Or for those more interested in Jesus-Speak than preachers speaking about themselves.

Those who deliberately IGNORE the Prophets blaspheme The Holy Spirit because:

1Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.


Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

No one can name a SINGLE preacher or "scholar" who has or can grasp that simple fact because PRIDE will not let them move outside of their curriculum.

PUT IT ALL TOGETHER IT SPELLS WITCHCRAFT

Lectio - Reading the Bible passage gently and slowly several times.
The passage itself is not as important
as the savoring of each portion of the reading,
constantly listening for the "still, small voice" of a word or phrase
that somehow speaks to the practitioner


A Disciple never speaks of should or shall but WHAT IS WRITTEN." People who cannot grasp that a DISCIPLE goes to Bible Class and learns "that which is written for our learning." Any attempt to enhance the process to make a TRADE is called sorcery and insists that what they say is more important than what God has done. If you think you can engage in DIVINATIONATION or Lectio Divina then we can say "burn witch, burn." (I have a paper close to being ready to prove that this is the MARK of the "unwed" reading as opposed to the commanded "Cultic Reading Aloud" of that which is written.

You may or may do whatever you wish but if you say that God commanded or authorized you to go beyond then the Spirit OF Christ says that you blaspheme. People need to be brave and confess "We do not believe the Words of Scripture" have any authority instead of using treachery.

"Although the sermon was not an essential part of the synagogue service, the translation and explanation of the Scripture lesson was a step in the direction of a preaching service. There is evidence that an exposition of the lesson formed a part of the Sabbath afternoon service. In earliest times the sermon seems to have been connected with the reading from the Prophets. Anyone able to instruct might be asked to preach (Acts 13:15). The preacher spoke from a sitting position on an elevated place (Luke 4:20). (feiffer, Charles F., Between the Testaments, p. 63 Baker Book House).

"The word that is employed for this "anaginosko, anagnosis) is the technical term for the cultic reading aloud of the Old Testament in the synagogue. By applying this terminology to the reading of his own epistles he not only ascribes the same authority to the apostolic word as to the Old Testament writings...he also combines a quotation from the Old Testament with a word of Jesus and introduces the whole with the familiar formula: 'for the Scripture says.'" (Ridderbos, Hermon, Paul, P. 483 an Outline of His Theo., Eerdmans)

<font color="#800080">lecto , nis, f. lego.
I. A gathering, collecting.
B. In partic., a picking out, selecting: judicum, Cic. Phil. 5, 6, 16.
II. A reading, perusal; a reading out, reading aloud.
that which is read, reading, text, gramma
juris lectiones, passages of the laws,
To read often, with eagerness, or with attention


They were taught the doctrines concerning God, creation, providence, sacred history, the fall, the incarnation, the resurrection, and future rewards and punishments. Their books were portions of the Bible...When the ecclesiastical spirit overcame the apostolic and Gospel teaching, the study of the Bible was largely displaced by ritual ceremonies and priestly confessionals. A few faithful continued to teach the Bible, as the Waldenses and the Lollards." (Schaff-Herzog Religious Ency., Sunday schools, p. 159).

"Christianity had ceased (about AD 200) to be the close brotherhood which it was at first; it had developed a complicated organization, with a marked distinction between clergy and laity; the conception of priest and sacrifice had won a place.

And as the body changed, so did its worship; the place which had sufficed for the simple, informal gatherings of the first Christians was no longer adequate" (Shaff-Herzog, Architecture, p. 264).

"The public portion of Sunday worship began with Scripture reading, interspersed with the singing of psalms. These selections presented three passages, the prophets, the epistles, the Gospels, and were so read as to cover the Bible in the course of successive Sundays...In the Arian struggle the use of hymns other than psalms grew common, and was furthered in the West with great success by Ambrose of Milan.

"The latter part of the fourth and the first half of the fifth centuries was above all others an age of great preachers in the ancient church...In form it was often highly rhetorical, and the hearers manifested their approval by applause. Yet, while this preacher was probably never excelled, preaching was by no means general, and in many country districts, or even considerable cities, few sermons were to be heard." (Walker, Williston, Hist of Ch. Ch., Charles Scribner's Sons, 1918 p. 167-168)

In the Catholic and Protestant history of England members were required to attend only a few days during the year when sermons were READ. The only purpose was to refresh people's understanding of the doctrines of the church. That was my experience before the GI Bill post WWII produced a flock of preachers.

"The bombastic rhetoric which had ruled in the Roman world since the death of Cicero was now introduced into the Christian pulpit, and the congregation burst forth in applause extravagant enough for a welcome to a chief returning from the conquest of a new province." (John Fletcher Hurst, History of the Christian Church, vol. I., p. 357).


It's ok for people to mock and refuse to listen: throughout Scripture DEVIATION for the only role of being A SCHOOL OF THE WORD is not a warning to repent but the MARK of those IN WHOM THERE IS NO LIGHT. You are not called on to grieve for them.

Anaginosko (g314) an-ag-in-oce'-ko; from 303 and 1097; to know again, i.e. (by extens.) to read: - read. of written characters,read aloud for students.

And after the reading of the law and the prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. Ac.13:15

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth
the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;
which vail is done away in Christ. 2Co.3:14


Who dares dispute that when "making melody IN the heart" shows up through their new spectacles (re Shelly) as "Making music WITH a flute."</font>
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September 16th, 2012, 9:43 pm #18

Good point "B", it just dawned on me what you were saying. Donnie said "For now Im going to respond to your question briefly. Hopefully, Ill be able to expound or elaborate on this issue later on."... Eight years pass... If not for seeds of hope would Mindy ever have her question answered?
Judging from Mindy's response, it looks like Donnie's answer satisfied her back in 2004, so Racnor need not worry about it now. Besides, we have no idea if, after eight years, Mindy ever saw seeds of hope's invitation to email him/her/it.
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September 17th, 2012, 12:35 am #19

I apologize in advance if this is not the place to post this question. This post is actually the result of days of searching the internet trying to find the answer. Right now, my family is trying to decide if Sunday School is Biblical and if that is the road we need to take.

I was raised Baptist while my husband was raised Church of Christ. He has always gone to a church that did NOT have Sunday School. Since we have children now, we feel a conviction to teach our children and to become closer to God ourselves. I see that Sunday School is fine but that is based on the way I was raised. I don't have scripture to back me up. He sees that Sunday School is wrong as it is never mentioned in the Bible, is a pretty new thing being less than 200 years old, and seperates the family. He sees that it is a parents job to teach the child, not the church.

He feels that Sunday School would be fine, like a Bible Study, if it were not a part of the worship service. He has agreed to pray on it as have I. Both of us are willing to go in the direction the Bible teaches. The church that we attend now does not have Sunday school and for various reasons is just not united. I have not felt at home there in a few years. I would like to switch churches so we are exploring the next step. Any ideas or scripture you all could find would be most appreciated.
"A Disciple never speaks of should or shall but WHAT IS WRITTEN."

The person who quoted that also quotes from the book of Enoch. Does he mean that he isn't a disciple? The book of Enoch has never been a part of the OT, even with the KJV translation. If this person says to speak WHAT IS WRITEEN, but does not do so himself, what does that say of him?
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September 17th, 2012, 1:25 am #20

Check your pulse: we are not in Sunday School.

Jude thought the book was pretty important and at least 128 other quotes or allusions in the New Testament might make one want to NOT be ignorant of the Book.

http://www.piney.com/ApocEnoch1.html



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