Is Jesus Just ANOTHER god?

Bill
Bill

July 31st, 2017, 4:31 pm #21

So, Donnie, if Jesus is the Son of the ONE and ONLY God, and God is the Father of Jesus, then is Jesus a lower god to God?

If Jesus isn't God, then what is He? He can either be God, a god, or maybe just a mere man, as you suggest?

Which is Jesus?

In a post months ago, you believed that John 1 verse 1 taken in it's original text said that the Word was a (g)od. So do you still believe that Jesus is a (g)od, inferior to God?
To believe that John 1:1 means the Word was "a god" is to imply there was another "inferior" (g)od with God in the beginning. Of course, that conflicts with the Biblical truth that there is only ONE God; there can be no other. Therefore, the KJV is correct when it states that the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. The clear implication is that God and the Word were one and the same Entity. And since the Word became flesh (Jesus), it follows that the Word and Jesus were the same Being -- the Word the spiritual form and Jesus the physical form of the SAME Entity. Now since God and the Word were the same Entity, and since the Word and Jesus were the same Entity, it further follows that God and Jesus are identical, just different manifestation of the same One Supreme Being. Therefore, Jesus IS God.
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July 31st, 2017, 4:42 pm #22

Define WORD:

noun
1.
a unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning. Words are composed of one or more morphemes and are either the smallest units susceptible of independent use or consist of two or three such units combined under certain linking conditions, as with the loss of primary accent that distinguishes black·bird· from black· bird·. Words are usually separated by spaces in writing, and are distinguished phonologically, as by accent, in many languages.

words.

speech or talk: to express one's emotion in words;
Words mean little when action is called for.
the text or lyrics of a song as distinguished from the music.
contentious or angry speech; a quarrel:
We had words and she walked out on me.

5. statement, declaration. 6. pledge. 7. message, report, account. 8. catchword, shibboleth.

Logos, Greek spelling

Logos (UK: /ˈloʊɡɒs, ˈlɒɡɒs/, US: /ˈloʊɡoʊs/; Ancient Greek: λόγος, from λέγω lego "I say") is a term in western philosophy, psychology, rhetoric, and religion derived from a Greek word meaning "ground", "plea", "opinion", "expectation", "word", "speech", "account", "reason", "proportion", "discourse",[1][2] but it became a technical term in philosophy beginning with Heraclitus (c. 535–475 BCE), who used the term for a principle of order and knowledge.[3] Logos is the logic behind an argument.[4] Logos tries to persuade an audience using logical arguments and supportive evidence. Logos is a persuasive technique often used in writing and rhetoric.

Never name your child LOGOS. It is true that Blacks use great names and RHEMA is a good one. Rhema is the Logos when SPOKEN. Jesus said my WORDS are Spirit and Life.
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Dave
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July 31st, 2017, 7:27 pm #23

I told you that Jesus called trinitarians blasphemers and John called them Antichrists. That means that if I repeat it a google times you will never be able to grasp it or confess it.

1Tim. 2:5 For there is ONE GOD, and one mediator BETWEEN God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus;

Jesus said that He was a MAN and the SON OF MAN: God said that He is not a MAN nor the SON of Man.

Jesus said that God was a SPIRIT without flesh and bones: He said that He was NOT a Spirit because He was made of FLESH AND BONES.

The NAME of the Mediator-Intercessor is "Jesus Christ the Righteous." Spirit is never a person nor the name of a person except in Latin Spiritus when personified was APOLLON. He is the leader of the Locusts or Muses performing on the stage at an ex-church of Christ near you.
YOU told me, or us. That is the problem Ken. You cannot be trusted to be a valid source of truth. You prefer YOUR opinion over what God says in His Word, and the Word says in John 1 that the Word which became Jesus in the flesh is God. I will take the Word of God over any claim that man has. I do not believe that Jesus, as Donnie and you claim, was a god; inferior to His Father.
Ken, I understand where you have been trying to lead the readers here all along. You believe that Jesus was just a man, but how is that possible if He is the Very Son of God? It isn't possible. All Scriptures speak of his lineage from man because Jesus took on a fleshly form. I bet you don't remember the part about Jesus being conceived of the Holy Spirit?

Matthew 1
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Luke 1
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

He was born of a man (woman), but conceived from the Holy Ghost

Why are you and Donnie even into this, this being what you consider the work of God Since you are so negative, you can't actually like the work. Being a disciple is a joy, not what you make it to be, which is drudgery. Yes, there is pointing out sin, but you DO NOT talk about what a joy it is to be a follower of Christ. The only time you speak of the joy of Christ is when someone calls you down on being so negative.
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Dave
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July 31st, 2017, 7:31 pm #24

Define WORD:

noun
1.
a unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning. Words are composed of one or more morphemes and are either the smallest units susceptible of independent use or consist of two or three such units combined under certain linking conditions, as with the loss of primary accent that distinguishes black·bird· from black· bird·. Words are usually separated by spaces in writing, and are distinguished phonologically, as by accent, in many languages.

words.

speech or talk: to express one's emotion in words;
Words mean little when action is called for.
the text or lyrics of a song as distinguished from the music.
contentious or angry speech; a quarrel:
We had words and she walked out on me.

5. statement, declaration. 6. pledge. 7. message, report, account. 8. catchword, shibboleth.

Logos, Greek spelling

Logos (UK: /ˈloʊɡɒs, ˈlɒɡɒs/, US: /ˈloʊɡoʊs/; Ancient Greek: λόγος, from λέγω lego "I say") is a term in western philosophy, psychology, rhetoric, and religion derived from a Greek word meaning "ground", "plea", "opinion", "expectation", "word", "speech", "account", "reason", "proportion", "discourse",[1][2] but it became a technical term in philosophy beginning with Heraclitus (c. 535–475 BCE), who used the term for a principle of order and knowledge.[3] Logos is the logic behind an argument.[4] Logos tries to persuade an audience using logical arguments and supportive evidence. Logos is a persuasive technique often used in writing and rhetoric.

Never name your child LOGOS. It is true that Blacks use great names and RHEMA is a good one. Rhema is the Logos when SPOKEN. Jesus said my WORDS are Spirit and Life.
There's your problem. There are the Words (Scripture) of God and THE WORD (Jesus). God had quite a few Words recorded in the Old and New Testament but only ONE LIVING WORD, that being JESUS.
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Dave
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July 31st, 2017, 7:34 pm #25

I told you that Jesus called trinitarians blasphemers and John called them Antichrists. That means that if I repeat it a google times you will never be able to grasp it or confess it.

1Tim. 2:5 For there is ONE GOD, and one mediator BETWEEN God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus;

Jesus said that He was a MAN and the SON OF MAN: God said that He is not a MAN nor the SON of Man.

Jesus said that God was a SPIRIT without flesh and bones: He said that He was NOT a Spirit because He was made of FLESH AND BONES.

The NAME of the Mediator-Intercessor is "Jesus Christ the Righteous." Spirit is never a person nor the name of a person except in Latin Spiritus when personified was APOLLON. He is the leader of the Locusts or Muses performing on the stage at an ex-church of Christ near you.
So what is Jesus, Ken? A lower god than God? You say that there is One God, and Jesus then is just an inferior god???
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July 31st, 2017, 8:46 pm #26

I told you that this is above your pay grade.

Mark 13:34 For the Son of man is AS A MAN taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

Matt. 20:30 And, behold, two blind men sitting by the way side, when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou Son of David.

1Tim. 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the <font size="6">MAN
Christ Jesus;</font>
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Dave
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July 31st, 2017, 9:07 pm #27

So Ken, you claim that Jesus Christ was just a man.

Scriptures claim different
In John 10:28, Jesus said, "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." If Jesus Christ isn't eternal, then how does He have the power to give "eternal life"?

Jesus says in John 14:9, "...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" Is the Father someone other than Jesus Christ? No, not according to Jesus Christ.

I'm not calling you false. The Word of God is doing it.
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Dave
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July 31st, 2017, 11:52 pm #28

There's your problem. There are the Words (Scripture) of God and THE WORD (Jesus). God had quite a few Words recorded in the Old and New Testament but only ONE LIVING WORD, that being JESUS.
So Donnie, Ken's claim is that Jesus was just a man. You agree?
To Ken, for your claim that Jesus was a man, check this out.

Romans 3
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Ken, who is ALL there? All men? That seems to put a hole in your theory that Jesus was just a man.

ALL MEN have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Did Jesus, just a man as you say, sin? No!

Am I living up to my pay grade now?

So now, if Jesus isn't just a man, then what is He? Can Jesus be half God, and half man? Remember, there is only One God. That would equal to one and a half God. Taint possible.
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July 31st, 2017, 11:58 pm #29

You hallucinated JUST!

1Tim. 2:5 For there is ONE GOD, and one mediator BETWEEN God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus;

Try as you wish, you will never comprehend that.
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August 1st, 2017, 12:04 am #30

So Ken, you claim that Jesus Christ was just a man.

Scriptures claim different
In John 10:28, Jesus said, "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." If Jesus Christ isn't eternal, then how does He have the power to give "eternal life"?

Jesus says in John 14:9, "...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" Is the Father someone other than Jesus Christ? No, not according to Jesus Christ.

I'm not calling you false. The Word of God is doing it.
2Cor. 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the IMAGE of God, should shine unto them.
Col. 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

2Cor. 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

1Pet. 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten US again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Rev. 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead<b>, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,</b>
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