Is Donnie and Ken just a Jehovah's Witness in Disguise?

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January 5th, 2017, 10:48 pm #21


May the best "person" whin(sic)







Sargeant,

The duck at the top doesn't seems to look as intelligent as the second duck.
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January 5th, 2017, 11:23 pm #22

If they weren't suckers then they would not be punched.

If there is a response to this, just label that person as one "who has to have the last word!"
He who wants the last word demands that others not respond. Script wants the last word in this game, so here it is: "Word."
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January 6th, 2017, 12:10 am #23

Typical response from a legalist!
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January 6th, 2017, 1:20 am #24

If they weren't suckers then they would not be punched.

If there is a response to this, just label that person as one "who has to have the last word!"
Back to the theme of this thread (is CM like Jehovah's Witnesses), the short answer is "no." They have some admirable beliefs and practices, but many are not Biblical according to our traditions nor to CM.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hell.

They believe in free will, which is not heretical.

They believe that man can have "a holy spirit" which seems familiar to the readers of CM.

They believe that the Holy Spirit is a "force" rather than a "person."

They do believe that Jesus is a created being apparently.

They believe in a future world government headed by Jesus Christ, which many who profess Christianity also believe.

They have instrumental music, which is contrary to almost every writer in CM.

They are a fast-growing group, and show great courage in resisting nationalism and warfare.

They don't believe in hereditary total depravity which is a much more positive and friendly attitude toward God, than in most of the Christian groups.

These are some differences and similarities that I noticed.

Donnie did address JW's in his lead-in reply, but we got sidetracked by extraneous issues so that our minds became blighted toward Biblical truth. Lots of silly talk followed, and the main thread of the posting was ignored. This is all our faults.


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January 6th, 2017, 2:16 am #25

If God authorized bicycles why did He give us cars?
What JW REFUTE

Trinity

Definition: The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching.
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January 6th, 2017, 3:28 am #26

Just to create an atmosphere that gives the Churches of Christ due credit, and to make them familiar to those readers who might happen on this site, I want to say a few things. For the reader who is not familiar with Jehovah's Witnesses (JW) and also knows little about the Churches of Christ:

JW's are cultic, and it would be difficult for JW's to operate freely as do all the members of the Churches of Christ, in the public arena. JW's apparently encourage minimal contact between their members and the general community. Churches of Christ more or less follow the commandments in 1 Corinthians that Christians can operate in the world although they do not have to adopt the lifestyles of sin that is often around them.

The attempt to tie JW's to the Churches of Christ or to any members of Churches of Christ is way off base, since there are so many deep differences. JW's are encouraged not to vote, not to hold public offices, not to show respect to the flag, that Jesus was crucified on a stake and not on a cross, and have many other rather unique and otherwise strange practices.

Churches of Christ come from an entirely different direction, in that they have historically been without written creed, favoring freedom for the individual to study the Bible and arrive at conclusions in this open, but Biblically literate way.

Churches of Christ are a major player in the Christian community and their membership contains many famous people. There is virtually no belief or practice of the Churches of Christ that is not held by some other major non-cultic and respected Christian group. This similarity of orthodoxy with the majority Christian community is even true for most all the points of discussion found in this site, Concerned Members.

A cult refers to a group which is (1) "heretical" in general beliefs and (2) restrain their members with association with members of other groups.

Churches of Christ are unique in that virtually they use no stringed instruments of music, nor mechanical means of making music. This practice, although a minority practice in the Christian community, is also practiced by other Christian groups that are held in high regard by the majority Christian community.

The association of baptism with remission of sins and salvation is also not unique to Churches of Christ, but is also prevalent among the community of Christian churches. So Churches of Christ are not pariahs, but firmly orthodox in every belief and practice, although some times it is a minority player, but more than not a majority player.

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January 6th, 2017, 4:40 am #27

You note and observe that there are a couple who have been on the attack for about 15 years. The "scholars" as neo-trinitarians always like to associate anyone who quotes Scripture as JWs.

Here are a few "core" facts which make Churches of Christ both Biblical and Historical.

The CENI is defined over and over in Scripture and was the "Apostolic" basis of most early denominations.

http://www.piney.com/CENI.Commands.Exam ... ences.html

The NAME of Christ is used over and over in connection with the Church as the Body of Christ. That is documented in all periods of the last 2,000 years.

http://www.piney.com/ChofChristName.html

Not using instruments dates from the Church in the wilderness and was never changed. Founders of denominations and scholars refute instruments as destroying worship IN Spirit

http://www.piney.com/MuIndex2.html

Churches of Christ once taught "voluntary giving" and Scripture has no LAW of Tithes and Offerings and church history agrees;

http://www.piney.com/Lay.by.him.in.store.html

Churches of Christ never taught the trinity even though men like John Mark Hicks loves to twist Alexander Campbell. Remember those song books stripped of "blesed trinity?"

Until lately most Churches of Christ were WORD or teaching-preaching centered.

Churches of Christ were repudiated for teaching that the Law of Moses does not define faith and practices for a New Testament Church. That has recently changed quite radically.

http://www.piney.com/Alexander.Campbell ... e.Law.html

What Peter said "Baptism FOR the remission of sins" cannot be disputed and is pretty unique.

I doubt that anyone can find a faithful preacher or eldership which are Purpose Driven to "infiltrate and divert the group and its property" to another denomination. It is the confessed pattern to set up an attack against the teachings of the group which feeds them, push for new property and then reveal their 20/20 vision to confiscate your property.

These, I believe, are the FUNDAMENTALS of the Faith which are compromised by the Social Gospel.

Concerned Members have always upheld these doctrines. Reviews have always been on books or published sermons which, quite suddenly, refute ALL of these values.

These are off the top of my head and ALL of them have been refuted and mocked by the refuters and mockers.




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January 6th, 2017, 6:13 am #28

Back to the theme of this thread (is CM like Jehovah's Witnesses), the short answer is "no." They have some admirable beliefs and practices, but many are not Biblical according to our traditions nor to CM.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hell.

They believe in free will, which is not heretical.

They believe that man can have "a holy spirit" which seems familiar to the readers of CM.

They believe that the Holy Spirit is a "force" rather than a "person."

They do believe that Jesus is a created being apparently.

They believe in a future world government headed by Jesus Christ, which many who profess Christianity also believe.

They have instrumental music, which is contrary to almost every writer in CM.

They are a fast-growing group, and show great courage in resisting nationalism and warfare.

They don't believe in hereditary total depravity which is a much more positive and friendly attitude toward God, than in most of the Christian groups.

These are some differences and similarities that I noticed.

Donnie did address JW's in his lead-in reply, but we got sidetracked by extraneous issues so that our minds became blighted toward Biblical truth. Lots of silly talk followed, and the main thread of the posting was ignored. This is all our faults.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in hell.

Edward Fudge who debunks hell is a favorite of places like the LU spectacles.
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January 6th, 2017, 7:43 pm #29

You note and observe that there are a couple who have been on the attack for about 15 years. The "scholars" as neo-trinitarians always like to associate anyone who quotes Scripture as JWs.

Here are a few "core" facts which make Churches of Christ both Biblical and Historical.

The CENI is defined over and over in Scripture and was the "Apostolic" basis of most early denominations.

http://www.piney.com/CENI.Commands.Exam ... ences.html

The NAME of Christ is used over and over in connection with the Church as the Body of Christ. That is documented in all periods of the last 2,000 years.

http://www.piney.com/ChofChristName.html

Not using instruments dates from the Church in the wilderness and was never changed. Founders of denominations and scholars refute instruments as destroying worship IN Spirit

http://www.piney.com/MuIndex2.html

Churches of Christ once taught "voluntary giving" and Scripture has no LAW of Tithes and Offerings and church history agrees;

http://www.piney.com/Lay.by.him.in.store.html

Churches of Christ never taught the trinity even though men like John Mark Hicks loves to twist Alexander Campbell. Remember those song books stripped of "blesed trinity?"

Until lately most Churches of Christ were WORD or teaching-preaching centered.

Churches of Christ were repudiated for teaching that the Law of Moses does not define faith and practices for a New Testament Church. That has recently changed quite radically.

http://www.piney.com/Alexander.Campbell ... e.Law.html

What Peter said "Baptism FOR the remission of sins" cannot be disputed and is pretty unique.

I doubt that anyone can find a faithful preacher or eldership which are Purpose Driven to "infiltrate and divert the group and its property" to another denomination. It is the confessed pattern to set up an attack against the teachings of the group which feeds them, push for new property and then reveal their 20/20 vision to confiscate your property.

These, I believe, are the FUNDAMENTALS of the Faith which are compromised by the Social Gospel.

Concerned Members have always upheld these doctrines. Reviews have always been on books or published sermons which, quite suddenly, refute ALL of these values.

These are off the top of my head and ALL of them have been refuted and mocked by the refuters and mockers.




JW also have "Singing" in common with the Church of Christ.

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January 6th, 2017, 8:06 pm #30

You note and observe that there are a couple who have been on the attack for about 15 years. The "scholars" as neo-trinitarians always like to associate anyone who quotes Scripture as JWs.

Here are a few "core" facts which make Churches of Christ both Biblical and Historical.

The CENI is defined over and over in Scripture and was the "Apostolic" basis of most early denominations.

http://www.piney.com/CENI.Commands.Exam ... ences.html

The NAME of Christ is used over and over in connection with the Church as the Body of Christ. That is documented in all periods of the last 2,000 years.

http://www.piney.com/ChofChristName.html

Not using instruments dates from the Church in the wilderness and was never changed. Founders of denominations and scholars refute instruments as destroying worship IN Spirit

http://www.piney.com/MuIndex2.html

Churches of Christ once taught "voluntary giving" and Scripture has no LAW of Tithes and Offerings and church history agrees;

http://www.piney.com/Lay.by.him.in.store.html

Churches of Christ never taught the trinity even though men like John Mark Hicks loves to twist Alexander Campbell. Remember those song books stripped of "blesed trinity?"

Until lately most Churches of Christ were WORD or teaching-preaching centered.

Churches of Christ were repudiated for teaching that the Law of Moses does not define faith and practices for a New Testament Church. That has recently changed quite radically.

http://www.piney.com/Alexander.Campbell ... e.Law.html

What Peter said "Baptism FOR the remission of sins" cannot be disputed and is pretty unique.

I doubt that anyone can find a faithful preacher or eldership which are Purpose Driven to "infiltrate and divert the group and its property" to another denomination. It is the confessed pattern to set up an attack against the teachings of the group which feeds them, push for new property and then reveal their 20/20 vision to confiscate your property.

These, I believe, are the FUNDAMENTALS of the Faith which are compromised by the Social Gospel.

Concerned Members have always upheld these doctrines. Reviews have always been on books or published sermons which, quite suddenly, refute ALL of these values.

These are off the top of my head and ALL of them have been refuted and mocked by the refuters and mockers.




Ken, you seem a bit reserved today. Is all well?
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