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December 17th, 2015, 4:11 am #21

The Cruz-Sublett bible will remove any reference to "The Holy Spirit". Limited use of "a holy spirit" will be used. This one really bothers me as I am concerned about their souls.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Christians should not disturb the Spirit of God. It is also a.k.a. "the Spirit of the Lord." It is mentioned over 50 times in the entire Bible.

"The Spirit of God" is HOLY -- that's with the definite article THE and with the preposition OF. IT IS NOT A PERSON.

So, God has a "spirit" and it is HOLY. It is not a person. We are to "grieve not THE HOLY Spirit OF God" (Ephesians 4:4, KJV) -- that's with the definite article THE and the preposition OF.

Man has a "spirit" and by nature it is unholy. Man's spirit is NOT ANOTHER PERSON. Man receives the gift of his spirit being made holy (thus, a holy spirit) when he puts on Christ in baptism for the forgiveness of all his past sins.

Hopefully, the Christian is aware that "THE Holy Spirit" (definite article THE) belongs to God only. Again, God's Spirit is not another "person" and it belongs to Him only.

Hopefully, the Christian is aware that he receives a holy spirit (pure conscience) at baptism and strives to maintain a spirit that is holy and pure throughout his Christian living.[/color]
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December 17th, 2015, 4:21 am #22

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Rocky,

I've heard this before, and I completely agree with it:

"The fundamental truth of the Bible is that God is One. Any teaching that in any way appears to deviate from or undermime this profound truth must be very firmly substantiated. The doctrine of the Trinity pretends to be such a teaching, yet it is entirely absent from the entire Old Testament. This doesn't make sense."

[How many times have I mentioned that God's followers in the O.T. times did not worship "three-Gods-in-one"? Also the truth remains that the New Testament teaches none of that, either. Catholicism does and Protestantism concurs.]

Yes, you made reference to David, "a man after mine own heart" (Acts 13:22). The following verse (13:23) mentions that God, according to His promise, would raise a Savior, Jesus, "of this man's seed." Thus, "the seed of David" (John 7:42; Romans 1:3; II Tim. 2:8).

What does Jesus Christ "of the seed of David" mean to you? Is "God the Father" of the seed of David? I think NOT.

There's no need to create another Bible.[/color]
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Here's the Trinity's fallacious logic:

(1) Jesus Christ is of the seed of David;
(2) Jesus Christ is God;
(3) Therefore, God is of the seed of David.


How offensive and insulting to God the Father in heaven, the only true God, to be of the seed of David!!!!! [/color]
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December 28th, 2015, 4:32 am #23

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Is the "Image of God" = God????????[/color]

[color=#000000" size="4" face="times]Is Christ, Who Is the IMAGE OF God, God????????[/color]

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The mainstream teaching in Catholic and Protestant Churches is in one-substance Trinity and that Jesus Christ is God. Where and how did this doctrine originate?

Consider the historical background of the Trinity:
[/color]
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Abraham did not know about or worship "God the Son."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Moses did not know about or worship "God the Son."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]God's followers in Old Testament times worshipped only the God of Abraham.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The pagan trinity originated with Babylon.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The pagan trinity was passed on to most of the religions of the world.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Polytheistic trinitarianism (multiple gods) was intertwined with Greek religion and philosophy.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]For 300 years Christians knew nothing about the trinity.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Some 300 years after Christ, the pagan trinity with Greek-Roman influences in Christians.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]"God the Son" is Babylonian paganism and mythology grafted into Chrisitanity.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Nicea 325, emperor Constantine forced the minority opinion of the trinity. (First Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Nicea 325 said that "Jesus Christ is God." (First Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Constantinople 381 said that "the Holy Spirit is God." (First Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Ephesus 431 said that "human beings are totally depraved."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Chalcedon 451 said that "Jesus Christ is both man and God."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The Council of Constantinople 553 condemned the errors of Origen; it further confirmed the first 4 general councils (Nicea, Constantinople, Ephesus, especially that of Chalcedon [that "Jesus Christ is both man and God"]) (Second Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The Council of Constantinople 680-681 put an end to Monothelitism by defining two wills in Christ, the Divine and the human, as two distinct principles of operation. (Third Council)[/color]
    </li>
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Sounds like a "theory of evolution" to me.

One verse to consider is: Christ is "the image of God" (II Corinthians 4:4). Why change the truth:

---------- FROM: ------- Christ IS "THE IMAGE OF GOD"
---------- TO: --------- Christ IS GOD?


Another verse to consider is: the Father's dear Son is "THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD" (Colossians 1:13-15). Why change the truth:

---------- FROM: ------- Christ IS "THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD"
---------- TO: --------- Christ IS GOD?<b>
</b>[/color]
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]There is a huge difference between:

(1) The WORD (LOGOS) OF GOD becoming flesh [John 1:14]
----------------- and -------------------
(2) The only true GOD (the FATHER) literally becoming a human being [no scripture for this].


Christians are so brainwashed with the Trinity doctrine that they can't think any other way. It is so easy for them to make the same assertion that God became a human being as a man. (The feminist should contest this fallacy: it is discriminatory -- why not as a female? But then how can one fallacy make an argument against another fallacy?)

Trinity adherents cannot leave the Scripture and its correctness alone!!! The Trinity creed states that Jesus Christ is God. The Scripture declares that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. There are other false assertions made in the Trinity doctrine that the Scripture opposes.

Based on the Trinity doctrine that God became a man, we are led to believe erroneously that not only did God have a "Mother, the Virgin Mary" but that also did God have a cousin. God "had a cousin" when He was "in the flesh" while He (God) "literally lived" on this earth????? Wow!!!

Now Jesus had brothers and sisters (Mark 6:3; etc.) ... and a cousin (Luke 1:36-58) -- this is the TRUTH about the MAN Jesus, the mediator between God and men. If we honestly think about it, God cannot be the mediator between God and men -- which doesn't make sense. For the Son of God to be the mediator between God and men -- that makes sense!

Since God became Jesus (per the man-made Trinity dogma), God had brothers and sisters and a cousin!!! Is this what you want to believe? [/color]
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December 28th, 2015, 4:46 pm #24

If you read John Calvin's paper on adult baptism you understand why Alexander Campbell said that Calvin could almost be a "Campbellite."

Campbell badmouthed Calvin about the "trinity" but someone changed Calvin's mind (a dangerous effort) so that he spoke of the THREE ASPECTS of God. Aspects is like the PERSONAE because no one ever dared to say that God was a "person" in the modern sense of a "people."

But then no Trinitarian or Calvinist affirms that the three are one, and the one three, in the same sense.

1.The fanatics wrongly appeal to the Holy Spirit

Those who, rejecting Scripture, imagine that they have some peculiar way of penetrating to God, are to be deemed not so much under the influence of error as madness. For certain giddy men have lately appeared, who, while they make a great display of the superiority of the Spirit,

reject all reading of the Scriptures themselves, and deride the simplicity of those who only delight in what they call the dead and deadly letter. But I wish they would tell me what spirit it is whose inspiration raises them to such a sublime height that they dare despise the doctrine of Scripture as mean and childish.

If they answer that it is the Spirit of Christ, their confidence is exceedingly ridiculous;

since they will, I presume, admit that the apostles and other believers in the primitive Church were not illuminated by any other Spirit. None of these thereby learned to despise the word of God, but every one was imbued with greater reverence for it, as their writings most clearly testify.

And, indeed, it had been so foretold by the mouth of Isaiah. For when he says,

"My Spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever,"

he does not tie down the ancient Church to external doctrine, as he were a mere teacher of elements; he rather shows that,

under the reign of Christ, the true and full felicity of the new Church will consist in their being ruled not less by the Word than by the Spirit of God.

Hence we infer that these miscreants are guilty of fearful sacrilege in tearing asunder what the prophet joins in indissoluble union.
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December 28th, 2015, 8:07 pm #25

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Is the "Image of God" = God????????[/color]

[color=#000000" size="4" face="times]Is Christ, Who Is the IMAGE OF God, God????????[/color]

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The mainstream teaching in Catholic and Protestant Churches is in one-substance Trinity and that Jesus Christ is God. Where and how did this doctrine originate?

Consider the historical background of the Trinity:
[/color]
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Abraham did not know about or worship "God the Son."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Moses did not know about or worship "God the Son."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]God's followers in Old Testament times worshipped only the God of Abraham.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The pagan trinity originated with Babylon.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The pagan trinity was passed on to most of the religions of the world.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Polytheistic trinitarianism (multiple gods) was intertwined with Greek religion and philosophy.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]For 300 years Christians knew nothing about the trinity.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Some 300 years after Christ, the pagan trinity with Greek-Roman influences in Christians.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]"God the Son" is Babylonian paganism and mythology grafted into Chrisitanity.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Nicea 325, emperor Constantine forced the minority opinion of the trinity. (First Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Nicea 325 said that "Jesus Christ is God." (First Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Constantinople 381 said that "the Holy Spirit is God." (First Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Ephesus 431 said that "human beings are totally depraved."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Chalcedon 451 said that "Jesus Christ is both man and God."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The Council of Constantinople 553 condemned the errors of Origen; it further confirmed the first 4 general councils (Nicea, Constantinople, Ephesus, especially that of Chalcedon [that "Jesus Christ is both man and God"]) (Second Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The Council of Constantinople 680-681 put an end to Monothelitism by defining two wills in Christ, the Divine and the human, as two distinct principles of operation. (Third Council)[/color]
    </li>
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Sounds like a "theory of evolution" to me.

One verse to consider is: Christ is "the image of God" (II Corinthians 4:4). Why change the truth:

---------- FROM: ------- Christ IS "THE IMAGE OF GOD"
---------- TO: --------- Christ IS GOD?


Another verse to consider is: the Father's dear Son is "THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD" (Colossians 1:13-15). Why change the truth:

---------- FROM: ------- Christ IS "THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD"
---------- TO: --------- Christ IS GOD?<b>
</b>[/color]
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January 4th, 2016, 2:05 am #26

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Is the "Image of God" = God????????[/color]

[color=#000000" size="4" face="times]Is Christ, Who Is the IMAGE OF God, God????????[/color]

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The mainstream teaching in Catholic and Protestant Churches is in one-substance Trinity and that Jesus Christ is God. Where and how did this doctrine originate?

Consider the historical background of the Trinity:
[/color]
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Abraham did not know about or worship "God the Son."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Moses did not know about or worship "God the Son."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]God's followers in Old Testament times worshipped only the God of Abraham.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The pagan trinity originated with Babylon.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The pagan trinity was passed on to most of the religions of the world.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Polytheistic trinitarianism (multiple gods) was intertwined with Greek religion and philosophy.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]For 300 years Christians knew nothing about the trinity.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Some 300 years after Christ, the pagan trinity with Greek-Roman influences in Christians.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]"God the Son" is Babylonian paganism and mythology grafted into Chrisitanity.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Nicea 325, emperor Constantine forced the minority opinion of the trinity. (First Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Nicea 325 said that "Jesus Christ is God." (First Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Constantinople 381 said that "the Holy Spirit is God." (First Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Ephesus 431 said that "human beings are totally depraved."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Chalcedon 451 said that "Jesus Christ is both man and God."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The Council of Constantinople 553 condemned the errors of Origen; it further confirmed the first 4 general councils (Nicea, Constantinople, Ephesus, especially that of Chalcedon [that "Jesus Christ is both man and God"]) (Second Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The Council of Constantinople 680-681 put an end to Monothelitism by defining two wills in Christ, the Divine and the human, as two distinct principles of operation. (Third Council)[/color]
    </li>
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Sounds like a "theory of evolution" to me.

One verse to consider is: Christ is "the image of God" (II Corinthians 4:4). Why change the truth:

---------- FROM: ------- Christ IS "THE IMAGE OF GOD"
---------- TO: --------- Christ IS GOD?


Another verse to consider is: the Father's dear Son is "THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD" (Colossians 1:13-15). Why change the truth:

---------- FROM: ------- Christ IS "THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD"
---------- TO: --------- Christ IS GOD?<b>
</b>[/color]
Theophilus of Anticoch c. 181 first used the word TRIAS. He was Jesus and John literate and define the nature as Father conceives, Father breathes (not a spirit person) and the Son Speaks. He lists 13 terms used to define the ONE GOD such as light, word, mind, spirit, wisdom etal. None of these are PERSONS.

http://www.piney.com/HsTheopTrinity.html

Please note that all Bible Scholars understood that the Word or Logos is God's regulative or governing principle. The Logos repudiates any and all who speak on their own (sons of the Devil says Jesus), personal opinions or experiences, poetry, singing or playing instruments. Music is distinct because it demands moving your body parts in waving, clapping or dancing in step with the spoken word.

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January 5th, 2016, 3:37 am #27

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Is the "Image of God" = God????????[/color]

[color=#000000" size="4" face="times]Is Christ, Who Is the IMAGE OF God, God????????[/color]

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]The mainstream teaching in Catholic and Protestant Churches is in one-substance Trinity and that Jesus Christ is God. Where and how did this doctrine originate?

Consider the historical background of the Trinity:
[/color]
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Abraham did not know about or worship "God the Son."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Moses did not know about or worship "God the Son."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]God's followers in Old Testament times worshipped only the God of Abraham.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The pagan trinity originated with Babylon.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The pagan trinity was passed on to most of the religions of the world.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Polytheistic trinitarianism (multiple gods) was intertwined with Greek religion and philosophy.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]For 300 years Christians knew nothing about the trinity.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Some 300 years after Christ, the pagan trinity with Greek-Roman influences in Christians.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]"God the Son" is Babylonian paganism and mythology grafted into Chrisitanity.[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Nicea 325, emperor Constantine forced the minority opinion of the trinity. (First Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Nicea 325 said that "Jesus Christ is God." (First Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Constantinople 381 said that "the Holy Spirit is God." (First Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Ephesus 431 said that "human beings are totally depraved."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]The Council of Chalcedon 451 said that "Jesus Christ is both man and God."[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The Council of Constantinople 553 condemned the errors of Origen; it further confirmed the first 4 general councils (Nicea, Constantinople, Ephesus, especially that of Chalcedon [that "Jesus Christ is both man and God"]) (Second Council)[/color]
    </li>
  • [color=#000000" size="3" face="times]The Council of Constantinople 680-681 put an end to Monothelitism by defining two wills in Christ, the Divine and the human, as two distinct principles of operation. (Third Council)[/color]
    </li>
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Sounds like a "theory of evolution" to me.

One verse to consider is: Christ is "the image of God" (II Corinthians 4:4). Why change the truth:

---------- FROM: ------- Christ IS "THE IMAGE OF GOD"
---------- TO: --------- Christ IS GOD?


Another verse to consider is: the Father's dear Son is "THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD" (Colossians 1:13-15). Why change the truth:

---------- FROM: ------- Christ IS "THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD"
---------- TO: --------- Christ IS GOD?<b>
</b>[/color]

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January 8th, 2016, 2:14 am #28

Donnie, when you say "Hopefully, the Christian is aware that "THE Holy Spirit" (definite article THE) belongs to God only. Again, God's Spirit is not another "person" and it belongs to Him only.
Hopefully, the Christian is aware that he receives a holy spirit (pure conscience) at baptism and strives to maintain a spirit that is holy and pure throughout his Christian living."

The Christian is aware that YOU are trying to change the very Word of God. The Scriptures SAY in Acts 2:38 that we will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit not the gift of A holy spirit.

The Christian also knows that that YOU are shortchanging yourself when you don'accept that gift, but as for US Christians, we gladly accept the gift. What is the gift of the Holy Spirit? If you want varied opinion, then there is your conundrum. Stick to what you know.

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January 8th, 2016, 9:56 am #29

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]It is common knowledge in Christendom that "the Holy Spirit" is a.k.a. "the Spirit of God" and to the Trinitarian: "God the Holy Spirit." So, let's talk "Trinitarian":

1. What is "the gift" of "God the Holy Spirit" [Trinity's 3rd Person]?
2. Why not "the gift" of "God the Father" [Trinity's 1st Person]?
3. Why not "the gift" of "God the Son" [Trinity's 2nd Person]?

Is the Trinity Creed's gender assignment accurate? Including the word "spirit" [neuter: it] as a HE? Is the Trinity Creed's "God"-ranking accurate? First: the Father; second: the Son; third: the Holy Spirit?

God the Father is in Scripture.
God the Son is NOT in Scripture.
God the Holy Spirit is NOT in Scripture.

Other questions:
1. Why is "the gift" the holy Spirit OF God (himself, itself)?
2. Why is "the gift" not Jesus Christ the Son Himself?
3. Why is "the gift" not God the Father Himself?

Acts 2:38 --
1. What to do: Repent and
2. What to do: Be baptized
-----------
3. Benefit: Receive forgiveness of sins (cleansing)
4. Benefit: Receive the gift of holy spirit (purity, clear conscience)

Acts 3:19 is the PARALLEL PASSAGE:
1. What to do: Repent and
2. What to do: Be converted (the baptism equivalent)
------------
3. Benefit: Sins blotted out (cleansing)
4. Benefit: Refreshing (no guilt, clear conscience).

When one outside of Christ is converted to Christ, is it:
(1) about forgiveness of sins and being pure, guiltless, refreshed?
---------------------- or ------------------
(2) about forgiveness of sins and receiving the HOLY GHOST? [The Charismatic may have a point and start speaking in tongues?]
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January 8th, 2016, 6:12 pm #30

The gift OF the Holy Spirit is never translated as the GIFT which IS the Holy Spirit person or people inside of your body.

Eph. 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the GIFT OF Christ.

2Tim. 1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift OF God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

Heb. 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and GIFTS of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?


The Book of Jubilees, Chapter One reads:

http://www.piney.com/ApocJubileeBook.html

The Views of the Jews:
And the Lord said unto Moses: 'I know their contrariness and their thoughts and their stiffneckedness, and they will not be obedient till they confess

23 their own sin and the sin of their fathers. And after this they will turn to Me in all uprightness and with all (their) heart and with all (their) soul,

and I will circumcise the foreskin of their heart [baptism] and the foreskin of the heart of their seed,
and I will create IN them A holy spirit,
and I will cleanse them SO THAT they shall not turn away from Me from that day unto eternity.

24 And their souls will cleave to Me and to all My commandments, and they will fulfil My
25 commandments, and I will be their Father and they shall be My children.

And they all shall be called children of the living God, and every angel and every spirit shall know, yea, they shall know that these are My children, and that I am their Father in uprightness and righteousness, and that

26 I love them. And do thou write down for thyself all these WORDS which I declare unto thee on this mountain, the first and the last, which shall come to pass in all the divisions of the days in the law and in the testimony and in the weeks and the jubilees unto eternity, until I descend and dwell
27 with them throughout eternity.'


This is exactly what Scripture says since you cannot GIVE a "god person" including the Almighty to live literally in body of bones and blood:

Isaiah 59:20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD;
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
My SPIRIT that is upon thee,
.....and my WORDS which I have put in thy mouth,
shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed’s seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever


The REST promised by Messiah is defined inclusively and exclusively by the Spirit OF Christ (God's Spirit)

Those who do not SPEAK the prophets and apostles to whom Jesus CERTIFIED the PATTERN have no light in them.

Jesus commanded that we teach and observe what HE has CERTIFIED but DEFINED in the Prophets as the PRE-destiny or PRE-will of God.

Jesus said MY WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.

Therefore, anyone who claims that A spirit told them to debunk the Spirit OF Christ or MIND of Christ as the GIFT bestowed WHEN we have A holy spirit or A good conscience or when we are "washed with water INTO the Word or into the School of Christ."

SPIRIT personified is Apollon or Abaddon who is the LEADER of the Locusts which were-are his musical worship team.</font>
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