Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

May 12th, 2010, 7:42 pm #41

Psalm 98

1 Sing to the LORD a new song,
for he has done marvelous things;
his right hand and his holy arm
have worked salvation for him.
2 The LORD has made his salvation known
and revealed his righteousness to the nations.

3 He has remembered his love
and his faithfulness to the house of Israel;
all the ends of the earth have seen
the salvation of our God.

4 Shout for joy to the LORD, all the earth,
burst into jubilant song with music;

5 make music to the LORD with the harp,
with the harp and the sound of singing,

6 with trumpets and the blast of the ram's horn
shout for joy before the LORD, the King.

7 Let the sea resound, and everything in it,
the world, and all who live in it.

8 Let the rivers clap their hands,
Let the mountains sing together for joy; 9 let them sing before the LORD,
for he comes to judge the earth.
He will judge the world in righteousness
and the peoples with equity.

Psalm 33:1-3

1 Sing joyfully to the LORD, you righteous;
it is fitting for the upright to praise him.

2 Praise the LORD with the harp;
make music to him on the ten-stringed lyre.

3 Sing to him a new song;
play skillfully, and shout for joy.

Psalm 149

1 Praise the LORD.
Sing to the LORD a new song,
his praise in the assembly of the saints.

2 Let Israel rejoice in their Maker;
let the people of Zion be glad in their King.

3 Let them praise his name with dancing
and make music to him with tambourine and harp.
I told you that God will drive His enemies into hell exactly as they went in procession to Jerusalem to burn up infants to the beat of loud musical instruments. Isaiah 30 proves that the SIGHTS and SOUNDS of God repaying His enemies will be the same wind, string and percussion instruments Lucifer, the singing and harp playing prostitute brought into the garden of Eden. A "serpent" is a musical enchanter(ess) for those with ears and eyes.

http://www.piney.com/Isa30LXX.html




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Geadneym
Geadneym

May 12th, 2010, 9:02 pm #42

I guess Ken and Donnie would be quick to condemn all who continue to keep any of the old law, since it is no longer in effect. Sure would be news to Paul, and the early Jewish Christians. The thing Paul condemned was the enforcement of it on those who never were part of the Old covenant. Those who wished to continue with for instance keeping the passover or other feasts or the rite of circumcision were free to do so. God didnt ask David to build the temple, but God's presence still filled it. I try to listen to the inspired writers and God's word and wish Ken, Donnie and others would too. peace
philip
Dr. Bill.

Read Ephesians 5:19 over and over again. It says PSALMS. PSALMS imply instrumental usage. It is the very nature of PSALM.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

May 12th, 2010, 9:39 pm #43

It is man's assumption that ALL Psalms MUST be sung with instruments. Not every Psalm in the Bible contains instructions to be sung with instruments. ALL Psalms can be sung without instruments. The word "Psalm" simply means a sacred song or hymn. Again, where is the Scripture that explicitly states that IM is the ONLY ritual of the Old Covenant that applies to the New Covenant today? Hint: There is NO Scripture like that.

Remember: Just as man cannot serve God and mammon, man cannot serve two Covenants.
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May 13th, 2010, 7:47 am #44

Psalm 98

1 Sing to the LORD a new song,
for he has done marvelous things;
his right hand and his holy arm
have worked salvation for him.
2 The LORD has made his salvation known
and revealed his righteousness to the nations.

3 He has remembered his love
and his faithfulness to the house of Israel;
all the ends of the earth have seen
the salvation of our God.

4 Shout for joy to the LORD, all the earth,
burst into jubilant song with music;

5 make music to the LORD with the harp,
with the harp and the sound of singing,

6 with trumpets and the blast of the ram's horn
shout for joy before the LORD, the King.

7 Let the sea resound, and everything in it,
the world, and all who live in it.

8 Let the rivers clap their hands,
Let the mountains sing together for joy; 9 let them sing before the LORD,
for he comes to judge the earth.
He will judge the world in righteousness
and the peoples with equity.

Psalm 33:1-3

1 Sing joyfully to the LORD, you righteous;
it is fitting for the upright to praise him.

2 Praise the LORD with the harp;
make music to him on the ten-stringed lyre.

3 Sing to him a new song;
play skillfully, and shout for joy.

Psalm 149

1 Praise the LORD.
Sing to the LORD a new song,
his praise in the assembly of the saints.

2 Let Israel rejoice in their Maker;
let the people of Zion be glad in their King.

3 Let them praise his name with dancing
and make music to him with tambourine and harp.
[color=#0000FF" size="5" face="times]A Bit of Methodist History Concerning Instrumental Music[/color]


[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]by Robert Turner

[Note: Many of our readers are probably aware that instrumental music was not used in the worship of the first century church. In fact, instruments were not introduced into the Roman Catholic Church until more than 600 years after time of Christ. The Greek Orthodox Church has been very slow to allow them. Most of the major Protestant churches began without them. Robert Turner makes an interesting observation along these lines in the following article.]

While in Bangor, Maine, in bro. Ralph Smart's study, I had opportunity to examine a book called: HYMN STUDIES - ANNOTATED METHODIST HYMNAL by Charles S. Nutter, Tilton, New Hampshire; Feb. 15, 1884. On page 18 of this book there was hymn no. 27, "Praise The Lord." We give the first and fourth stanzas:

1. Praise the Lord! his glories show, Saints within his courts below, Angels round his throne above, All that see and share his love.

4. Strings and voices, hands and hearts In the concert bear your parts; All that breathe, your Lord adore, Praise him, praise him evermore! - Henry F. Lyte, Alt

What interested us particularly was the comment which followed the above hymn. Mr. Nutter, author of this Methodist Hymnal, said: "The fourth stanza would not have been admitted into any hymn book by the early Methodist. Instruments of music in the church, and especially those with strings" were an abomination to them.

Dr. Adam Clarke [noted Methodist commentator] said, "Music as a science I admire; but instruments of music in the house of God I abominate and abhor."

John Wesley ["founder" of Methodism] said, "I have no objection to instruments of music in our chapels, provided they are neither heard nor seen."

Readers of church history are familiar with these "quotes" - but in a Methodist Hymnal??? Hummmmm!! [/color]

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Source:http://www.aubeacon.com/Articles2010/Ar ... lMusic.htm
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Geadneym
Geadneym

May 13th, 2010, 11:02 am #45

When a denominationalist (who believes he is not a denominationalist) surely can't prove their position from scripture for condemning instrumental use in worship, they resort to the words of men. The words of men whom they believe to have been apart from the true church.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

May 13th, 2010, 3:54 pm #46

Quoting the words of early denominationalists only shows that even they knew that instrumental music (IM) was not scriptural in Christian worship. The first-century Christians certainly did not use IM in worship. A church that men created and that Christ never authorized, the Roman Catholic church, first caved in to the whims of men and added IM some 600 years after Christ. The other denominations that Christ also never authorized (for example, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopal, etc.) initially knew that IM was unscriptural, but they eventually followed in the Catholics' tracks and added IM. Of course, the ONE Church that Christ founded over 2,000 years ago, the Church of Christ, has known all along that IM in Christian worship is not scriptural.

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Philip
Philip

May 13th, 2010, 4:35 pm #47

Paul said that those who were justified by the Old Law were debtors to keep ALL of the Old Law, and he used mandatory circumcision as one example (Gal. 5:1-6). If someone was not a Jew and was not under the Old Law, then there was no need for him to observe any of the Jewish rituals, such as the Passover. The same applies to IM, which was used in Old Testament Jewish religious rituals, such as burning sacrifices in the Temple. Since Christians are not under the Law of Moses, then nothing connected with those rituals, such as IM, applies to Christians today. Once again, and in light of Gal. 5:1-6, where is the Scripture that explicitly gives Christians permission to select whatever ritual or item from the Old Law that pleases them (IM, for instance) and carry it into Christian worship, then discard everything else related to the Old Law? Where is that Scripture?
Look again at Romans 14. If you think one day is more important than another, Paul says its ok. Who are we to judge a servant of God. Pretty clear. Of course i am sure we will have to dis-apply Paul's words here. Our history shows we are experts at choosing which ones to choose and where to apply them.
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

May 13th, 2010, 9:32 pm #48

This thread is about IM in worship. But if you want to change tracks and talk about observing certain days over others, Paul said:

"But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain" (Gal. 4:9-11 KJV).

When Paul mentions being in bondage again, he is talking about observing the rites and rituals and feast days of the Old Law, the Law of Moses. There is only ONE day that is special, and that is the first day of the week or Sunday.

So which Christians on this board continue to observe the rituals of the Law of Moses besides IM? Who as Christians still observe such feast days as the Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles? They are all unnecessary, because Christ nailed the Law of Moses to His cross (Col. 2:14).
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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

May 13th, 2010, 9:54 pm #49

Psalm 98

1 Sing to the LORD a new song,
for he has done marvelous things;
his right hand and his holy arm
have worked salvation for him.
2 The LORD has made his salvation known
and revealed his righteousness to the nations.

3 He has remembered his love
and his faithfulness to the house of Israel;
all the ends of the earth have seen
the salvation of our God.

4 Shout for joy to the LORD, all the earth,
burst into jubilant song with music;

5 make music to the LORD with the harp,
with the harp and the sound of singing,

6 with trumpets and the blast of the ram's horn
shout for joy before the LORD, the King.

7 Let the sea resound, and everything in it,
the world, and all who live in it.

8 Let the rivers clap their hands,
Let the mountains sing together for joy; 9 let them sing before the LORD,
for he comes to judge the earth.
He will judge the world in righteousness
and the peoples with equity.

Psalm 33:1-3

1 Sing joyfully to the LORD, you righteous;
it is fitting for the upright to praise him.

2 Praise the LORD with the harp;
make music to him on the ten-stringed lyre.

3 Sing to him a new song;
play skillfully, and shout for joy.

Psalm 149

1 Praise the LORD.
Sing to the LORD a new song,
his praise in the assembly of the saints.

2 Let Israel rejoice in their Maker;
let the people of Zion be glad in their King.

3 Let them praise his name with dancing
and make music to him with tambourine and harp.
Being Biblically and ehtically illiterate would be ok if they would just quit lying about the Church of Christ introducing NOT using instruments. Not even in the modern apostasies are instruments introduced until people feel the pain of sub-prime spending:

AMe instrumental music added Methodists

http://docsouth.unc.edu/church/payne70/payne.html#p233

First Choirs (worship teams) and then instruments

Instrumental music was introduced into our denomination in the year 1848-9. It commenced at Bethel, in Baltimore, under the following circumstances: We had erected the present grand house of God in 1848, at a cost of about fifteen thousand five hundred dollars. We had paid, at its completion and dedication, five thousand of it, and had eight years in which to pay the remainder, which was divided into eight equal notes.

Immediately after the dedication dissensions arose among its officers. While the new church was in progress, as I have stated elsewhere, Ebenezer Chapel was sold to its Church-members for the nominal sum of ten dollars, which fact, and the signing of transfer documents, produced so much antagonism among the trustees of Bethel as to render the raising of the first note uncertain; so it was deemed prudent and wise to resort to extraordinary measures in order to raise the sum needed. This was a concert of sacred music under the management of Dr. James Fleet, of Georgetown, D. C., whose musical taste was exquisite. The lyrics were composed by myself in order that I might be certain that nothing incongruous in sentiment to the sanctuary should go into it.

The novelty of the measure was a powerful attraction. It filled Bethel to overflowing, produced a fine effect, and gave us three hundred dollars net. The next sacred concert held in Bethel was for a similar purpose, and consisted of seven stringed instruments, the conductor being Mr. William Appo, then the most learned musician of the race. As in the former concert, so in this, all the music was sacred.

After this the members of Bethel Church were convinced that instrumental music could be as fully consecrated to the service of the living God under the New Testament dispensation as it was under Old Testament


At Cane Ridge and everywhere the rise of "gospel music" which aroused and picked pockets, it is proven by historians and musicologists to have been produced by black slaves: hush harbors and drumming was outlawed for its destruction of morals. The blacks (slaves always defeat their masters) turned to polyrhymic hand clapping and held their voodoo services under the name "Methodists."

Honest historians say that the virtual witchcraft began in the black circles and spread like a virus at Cane Ridge. The Stoneites which became the Christian Church adopted the "Methodist Shouting" and other mind-altering practices before they added instruments. It is a fact that what became the Church of Christ repudiated Cane Ridge--in Bourbon County (hee haw)
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Concerned
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May 13th, 2010, 10:01 pm #50

When a denominationalist (who believes he is not a denominationalist) surely can't prove their position from scripture for condemning instrumental use in worship, they resort to the words of men. The words of men whom they believe to have been apart from the true church.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Ganymede,

Denominationalists resort to questions such as: "Where does it say in the Bible 'NOT TO' use inanimate, lifeless mechanical music devices in the assembly of [living] saints?" Then, they misapply the "law of silence" by declaring that "God approves that which the Scripture is silent about (or does not say 'not to')."

The answer is simple: It is a real burden on denominationalists to prove that God approves, authorizes, commands, is pleased with, accepts, endorses [Ray's notions], fills "a building filled with instrumental music with His glory" [also Ray's notion], operating musical objects [musician's toys] in the assembly. None of these is found in the Holy Scripture.

What we find in Scripture is David's commandment to use musical devices and objects to "praise God" and please himself. Of course, Amos 6:5 plainly tells us that he INVENTED to himself instruments of music. Why not? Besides being a dancer, he was a skilled musician, king of Israel. He was the one who ordained musical instruments (II Chron 29:27).

We also find in Scripture idolatrous worship with the use of musical instruments -- the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, etc.; read Daniel 3.

Oh, yes, the Protestant Reformation of the Roman Catholic Church did not go far enough in eliminating some of the evil deeds and rituals of Catholicism.

Thanks to John Wesley, Adam Clarke, the annotated Methodist Hymnal, even the Primitive Baptist Church, for pointing out the veracity of the Scripture where God has NEVER commanded, authorized or approved the use of DEAD mechanical musical objects in the assembly of His LIVING saints.[/color]
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