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Donnie - I already have quoted God where He has already given you not just one but over 30 scriptures from His Holy Word where He commanded or inspired the psalmists to endorse instrumentsd to praise Him:[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Ray,
Show me just one verse in the Bible (Old or New Testament) stating that God ever authorized instrumental music as you claim. And who are/were these "accredited" biblical scholars who have "concluded based on evidence in God's word" [wonder where that might be in the Old Testament].[/color]
Is it possible to be a Christian without knowing the difference between a disciple and a ceremonial legalist stroking your own pleasure centers? Don't think so.As you say, Donnie, OOPS!
You want authorization for instrumental music in the Word of God, but OOPS you can't show authorization for a PA system either. Sorry William Crump....even though you said not to bring it to the table.....I did!
Hope you understand William that trying to tell a Christian to stop speaking the Truth is simply not going to happen.
It's called a double standard. You need authorization for instrumental music, but not a PA system. your fallacy that you can't play a PA system like you can an instrument. Nobody is saying that you c
Yes Donnie, please do explain to us your fallacy that you can't play a PA system like you can an instrument. (Donnie, please refer to your own apples and oranges difference theory when you can't backup what you believe with the Word of God) Nobody is saying that you can play a PA system. Why aren't we debating this? Why is this a false premise? Because it DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO with the subject at hand. Whether you can play a PA system or not.....GOD does NOT authorize a PA system any more than he does a piano.
Now draw up your bogus chart showing where your PA system is listed under AIDS, while the piano is listed under ADDITIONS. We still all know that a PA system could still go under additions, and the piano could go under AIDS. So the person who conjures up this chart is showing nothing more than his personal bias.
The biggie here gents is this......our examples are of singing, in the New Testament. If we play an instrument while we sing, are we prohibiting the singing? No! Can the music compliment the voice if it is not overpowering? Yes!
You say that we are adding something when we play music?
You don't whine about adding something when we use a car, or the internet, or other media outlets, or a train, or plane to GO, and teach the lost. The only examples of how they WENT in the first century is by boat and foot. When we use anything else other than the examples of a boat and by foot, then by your theory, we are adding to the Word of God. You take it upon yourself to say that instrumental music is an addition where using a car or the internet to reach the lost is not. How convenient for your tradition......it just doesn't nor will ever work that way.
I still love showing how immature you men are when it comes to your reasoning about God being against instrumental music. As long as our man Donnie ALLOWS it, you will always be shown that you are wrong.
Donnie, you know how to put a stop to this once and for all. Just not allow me to post. That would solve everything.
You have the POWER to ban me! You can QUELL the Truth........or can you?
Simple truth is that MAN makes instrumental music sinful......not God!
Simple truth is that MAN can't rewrite the Word of God and is NOT allowed to make instrumental music a sin.
Since many Christians fixate on the Old Testament (for example, David, Second Chronicles, and the Psalms) to justify using instrumental music in Christian worship, then we must conclude that they believe Christians can follow two Covenants--the Law of Moses AND the Law of Christ. It amounts to picking what they desire from each Covenant, discarding what is inconvenient or what they dislike from each Covenant, and calling that "Christianity." Such people will proclaim that they are absolutely "Christians" through and through and will vehemently deny that they follow the Law of Moses--just pits and pieces of it that satisfy what they want (like instruments) but what the New Testament doesn't teach.Psalm 98
1 Sing to the LORD a new song,
for he has done marvelous things;
his right hand and his holy arm
have worked salvation for him.
2 The LORD has made his salvation known
and revealed his righteousness to the nations.
3 He has remembered his love
and his faithfulness to the house of Israel;
all the ends of the earth have seen
the salvation of our God.
4 Shout for joy to the LORD, all the earth,
burst into jubilant song with music;
5 make music to the LORD with the harp,
with the harp and the sound of singing,
6 with trumpets and the blast of the ram's horn
shout for joy before the LORD, the King.
7 Let the sea resound, and everything in it,
the world, and all who live in it.
8 Let the rivers clap their hands,
Let the mountains sing together for joy; 9 let them sing before the LORD,
for he comes to judge the earth.
He will judge the world in righteousness
and the peoples with equity.
1 Sing joyfully to the LORD, you righteous;
it is fitting for the upright to praise him.
2 Praise the LORD with the harp;
make music to him on the ten-stringed lyre.
3 Sing to him a new song;
play skillfully, and shout for joy.
1 Praise the LORD.
Sing to the LORD a new song,
his praise in the assembly of the saints.
2 Let Israel rejoice in their Maker;
let the people of Zion be glad in their King.
3 Let them praise his name with dancing
and make music to him with tambourine and harp.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Dave,Is it possible to be any sicker in the head than you are, Ken Sublett?
I don't think so.
Your mind is so perverted towards sex, you can't think of anything else.
2 Chron 29:25-26Since many Christians fixate on the Old Testament (for example, David, Second Chronicles, and the Psalms) to justify using instrumental music in Christian worship, then we must conclude that they believe Christians can follow two Covenants--the Law of Moses AND the Law of Christ. It amounts to picking what they desire from each Covenant, discarding what is inconvenient or what they dislike from each Covenant, and calling that "Christianity." Such people will proclaim that they are absolutely "Christians" through and through and will vehemently deny that they follow the Law of Moses--just pits and pieces of it that satisfy what they want (like instruments) but what the New Testament doesn't teach.
Now if Christians can follow two Covenants, then they can follow God AND mammon, because the principle is the same--following two opposite or conflicting concepts. For example, the Law of Moses said to love your neighbor and hate your enemies; the Law of Christ said to love your neighbor AND your enemies. Those are conflicting concepts: the one says to love some and hate others; the other says to love everyone.
As it turns out, Jesus said, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon" (Matt. 6:24 KJV). The same principle applies to Covenants. You cannot serve two Covenants, just like you cannot serve God and mammon.
But people will do as they please.
Jimmy - read what you posted yourself with your own eyes!!2 Chron 29:25-26
25 The king ordered the Levites to take their places in The Temple of God with their musical instruments cymbals, harps, zithers following the original instructions of David, Gad the king's seer, and Nathan the prophet; this was God's command conveyed by his prophets. 26 The Levites formed the orchestra of David, while the priests took up the trumpets.
(from THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson. All rights reserved.)
I don't believe anyone can rightfully say that God commanded an orchestra of David be used in a worship service even back then!
Even Donnie's other hero, John Waddey, disagrees with Donnie's and Ken's false teachingsOne can read 1 Chron. 5:16 to find where David gave such a command as recorded in 2 Chron 29:25.
1 Chron 15:16-17
16 David also commanded the chiefs of the Levites to appoint their brothers as the singers who should play loudly on musical instruments, on harps and lyres and cymbals, to raise sounds of joy. 17 So the Levites appointed...(ESV)
I don't understand the IM to be God's command at all!