"I am Music and I write the songs."

David Rhoades
David Rhoades

May 30th, 2005, 2:12 pm #1

I received the following email and I thought you might be interested;

"Thanks for your heads-up about worship leaders --article dated April 6, '03.( http://www.concernedmembers.com/editori ... .htm#part7 ) I wasn't aware of Amos 6.5. Your article also reminded me of the song (I think written by Barry Manilow) that goes "I am Music and I write the songs."
God bless, Sandra



I looked the words up, and this is what I found;

I Write The Songs


-Artist: Barry Manilow as sung on "Greatest Hits" -Arista A2L 8601
-peak Billboard position # 1 in 1976
-Words and Music by Bruce Johnston
(apparently Barry *doesn't* "write the songs"!)

I've been alive forever, and I wrote the very first song
I put the words and the melodies together
I am music and I write the songs

CHORUS
I write the songs that make the whole world sing
I write the songs of love and special things
I write the songs that make the young girls cry
I write the songs, I write the songs

My home lies deep within you
And I've got my own place in your soul
Now, when I look out through your eyes
I'm young again, even though I'm very old

CHORUS

Oh my music makes you dance
And gives you spirit to take a chance
And I wrote some rock 'n' roll so you can move
Music fills your heart
Well, that's a real fine place to start
It's from me it's for you
It's from you, it's for me
It's a worldwide symphony

CHORUS
CHORUS

I am Music (music) and I write the songs


Transcribed by Robin Hood

These lyrics were transcribed from the specific recording mentioned above
and do not necessarily correspond with lyrics from other recordings, sheet
music, songbooks or lyrics printed on album jackets.
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Donnie Cruz
Donnie Cruz

May 30th, 2005, 7:24 pm #2

<font color=indigo size=3 face=Times New Roman>This is an excellent thread! Much can be discussed about contemporary “music” in today’s contemporary “worship services.” From the lack of scriptural evidence for “music” itself in the New Testament to its practical application in the “assembly of the saints” as endorsed by the man-designated “Worship Leader” … shall we discuss?

To start off, music is mentioned very infrequently in the New Testament. Even the NIV “New Ignorance Version” (sorry, it’s actually the “New International Version”) … mentions the word “music” only three times, and only in one instance does it agree with the KJV in the same context.

First, the NIV:
  • Luke 15:25—“Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. “

    Ephesians 5:19—“Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord…”

    Revelation 18:22—“The music of harpists and musicians, flute players and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again. No workman of any trade will ever be found in you again. The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again.”
Now, the KJV:
  • Luke 15:25—“Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard music and dancing

    Ephesians 5:19—“Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord…”

    Revelation 18:22—“And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee.”
Notice that the KJV mentions the word “music” only once and in the context that has NOTHING to do at all with “MAKING MUSIC” in the gathering of the saints. In fact, it has to do with the story of what we know as “The Prodigal Son.”

We’ll discuss this issue of “making music” in the assembly later on, but for now, since the thread has given us an example of the kind of music that could very well be on the list of “Contemporary Christian Music,” let’s cite another example of the kind of music that is very popular among the youth of certain congregations.

In Madison’s notebook #85 titled “This Is How We Overcome” (another one of those 7/11 musical pieces [repeat same 7 words 11 times]) and “This is how we overcome” in the chorus is actually repeated several times … there is a line that is literally interpreted and put into action by a few of the young people. “You have turned my mourning into dancing…” is the line. The young people, taught by the Worship Leader to sing it this way, aren’t able to translate the word “mourning” into action, but watch them do a physical 360-degree turn to illustrate the point that after something (it’s not “mourning” … it is something else) can be turned into DANCING—i.e., literally dancing.

So, briefly, as a matter of interpretation, how different is CCM #85’s “You have turned my mourning into dancing” from one the greatest hits’ chorus:
  • Oh my music makes you dance
    And gives you spirit to take a chance
    And I wrote some rock 'n' roll so you can move
    Music fills your heart
    Well, that's a real fine place to start
    It's from me it's for you
    It's from you, it's for me
    It's a worldwide symphony
Eh…?

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Jimmy Wren
Jimmy Wren

May 30th, 2005, 10:24 pm #3

I received the following email and I thought you might be interested;

"Thanks for your heads-up about worship leaders --article dated April 6, '03.( http://www.concernedmembers.com/editori ... .htm#part7 ) I wasn't aware of Amos 6.5. Your article also reminded me of the song (I think written by Barry Manilow) that goes "I am Music and I write the songs."
God bless, Sandra



I looked the words up, and this is what I found;

I Write The Songs


-Artist: Barry Manilow as sung on "Greatest Hits" -Arista A2L 8601
-peak Billboard position # 1 in 1976
-Words and Music by Bruce Johnston
(apparently Barry *doesn't* "write the songs"!)

I've been alive forever, and I wrote the very first song
I put the words and the melodies together
I am music and I write the songs

CHORUS
I write the songs that make the whole world sing
I write the songs of love and special things
I write the songs that make the young girls cry
I write the songs, I write the songs

My home lies deep within you
And I've got my own place in your soul
Now, when I look out through your eyes
I'm young again, even though I'm very old

CHORUS

Oh my music makes you dance
And gives you spirit to take a chance
And I wrote some rock 'n' roll so you can move
Music fills your heart
Well, that's a real fine place to start
It's from me it's for you
It's from you, it's for me
It's a worldwide symphony

CHORUS
CHORUS

I am Music (music) and I write the songs


Transcribed by Robin Hood

These lyrics were transcribed from the specific recording mentioned above
and do not necessarily correspond with lyrics from other recordings, sheet
music, songbooks or lyrics printed on album jackets.
Understandest thou what thou readest? Acts 8:30

The same question could be asked about singing. Understandest thou what thou singest?

In Colossians 3:16 we are told to “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”

Our singing is a means of teachings. Knowing the importance of the things that we are teaching, one should give the utmost attentions to getting it “understandable” and “correct.”

Such is not always the case with the disciples of Keith Lancaster. It seems that “entertainment” is the motivating factor behind his contemporary music.”

The following is taken from Keith’s web site at: http://www.acappella.org/lyrics.htm

<font size=4 color=blue>Often, people are singing along with the song and singing the wrong words. On a few occasions, we have been accused of cursing, supporting all manner of sinful activities, and supporting political platforms. All because someone misunderstood the words. </font>

Perhaps it might be better if that type of “MUSIC” was left to the world.

In Christian Love,

Jimmy
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Estill B.
Estill B.

May 31st, 2005, 10:36 am #4

So, Jimmy.

You're making it Keith's fault because someone misunderstands the words to an Acappella song?

E.B.
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Jimmy Wren
Jimmy Wren

May 31st, 2005, 2:49 pm #5

Hello Estill,

I have not heard from you in a while. Welcome to this discussion.

Your question was: “You're making it Keith's fault because someone misunderstands the words to an Acappella song?”

Jimmy answers: YES INDEED! The man in charge is the one responsible. We are not talking about “someone.” Keith wrote <font color=blue>“OFTEN, PEOPLE…” </font> Since this would seem NOT to just be a person who was not paying attention but “people” who really could not, but thought they did, understand the words of the SONGS! If the “PEOPLE” thought that the singers were “CURSING” it looks to me like that would certainly be part or ALL of Kieth’s fault. People can only understand what they hear. Keith is the one responsible, isn’t he? I mean the web site claims that he is.

<font size=3 color=red>It would be simple to just change a few “words” in the song. Why continue to use “words” that sound like “curse words?” Unless that is the results you desire. </font>

A song is written by a man and it can be re-written by the man.

The Bible has this to say about “WORDS”:
<font size=3 color=blue>“For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” Matthew 12:37

“So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.” 1 Corinthians 14:9-11

“If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.” 1 Timothy 4:6

“Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.” 2 Timothy 1:13

“But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;” Jude 1:17

“Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words…” Revelation 1:3 </font>
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It seems like a lot of Keith’s works of “words” would fall into the following category:

“Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.” 2 Timothy 2:14

“And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not…” 2 Peter 2:3

“For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.” 2 Peter 2:18

Words can be used in a correct manner, but words can also be used in an incorrect manner. It seems that some of Kieth’s would fall into the incorrect manner.

In Christian Love,

Jimmy
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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

May 31st, 2005, 2:58 pm #6

So, Jimmy.

You're making it Keith's fault because someone misunderstands the words to an Acappella song?

E.B.
Keith is actually hired to directly violate ALL of the direct commands of God. Non and Anti Scriptural songs are speaking in tongues:
  • <font color=blue>1 Cor 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

    1Co.14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. </font>
IF you would obey the example of Jesus to CAST OUT LIKE DUNG the musical minstrels and IF you SPOKE what you are commanded to SPEAK then everyone would LEARN the Biblical TEXT and we would not need to PROCURE a WATERMAN to replace the FREE WATER OF THE WORD. After a few years of speaking the Psalms in song and sermony we would HAVE A KNOWLEDGE base instead of being DELIBERATELY FOGGED up so that we KNOW NOTHING.

A "tongue" is a minor dialect whereas Koine was a language. The mostly-strangers moving through Corinth would attempt to sing songs of their own making using their own dialect which as with Hebrew and Latin were believed to be more powerful. The songs and prayers came from their OWN SPIRIT and therefore had no teaching value even though they may have sounded more spiritual because of the highly-honed way of even pagan sermonizing and versifying. I enjoy listening to Monks chanting in Latin!

Here is a direct command:
  • <font color=blue>1 Cor 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the FELLOWSHIP of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. </font>

    The church is called OUT of the world but called INTO fellowship weekly. We are CALLED by Him which means that we DISHONOR Him if some theatrical type STANDS IN THE HOLY PLACE.

    <font color=blue>1Co.1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

    1Co. 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. </font>
Postmodernism and the Purpose Driven Cult intends to create contentions to drive you into schizophrenia and SPOUT, SPOUT, SPOUT garbage slandering "conservatives or traditonalists" all of which means slandering Bible students.

Some say, "I am of Jesus Christ" and so we will speak the Words of Jesus Christ. But SOME say, "We are of KEITH and we will sing and speak the WORDS of Keith as they have been delivered to him." The meaning of BAPTISM is to MAKE DISCIPLES. Joe the Tentmaker knew how to spin and weave black goat's wool, and make seams to make the best tent in the ancient world. Joe would accept you as a DISCIPLE only if he adopted you, washed you, gave you HIS name and you pledged yourself to learn and not divulge his valuable trade secrets.

You DID NOT disciple yourself to Keith, Keith did not BAPTIZE you, give you his name and YOU paid his silliness to TEACH you the mysteries of HIS faith. That is why Paul told the Corinthians in so many words: "Fools love to be fooled."
  • <font color=blue>1Co. 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

    1Co. 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to PREACH the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. </font>
Jesus died, Jesus has the MYSTERIES and therefore when our bodies are washed in water HE washes our Spirit so that His words will FIT into our minds. Paul baptized disciples but HE did not make disciples into HIS NAME.

You are all DISCIPLED to Keith and you WRANGLE and produce WRANGLING all over the known world. Now, you are deliberately and WITH A HIGH HAND violating ALL of the direct commands which you SECOND INCARNATE into MUSIC so that you can PREVENT the people from "speaking the same things."

Now the Changeling preachers will REPROACH this as PATTERNISM but they have--for a price too high--a new PARADIGMISM. THEY say that WE cannot speak the same THINGS so that means that YOU cannot fault ME for just GETTING VISONS and hearing God's voice AUDIBLY and "partnering with God" to OBSOLETE the songs and sermons of God. YOU cannot dispute that YOU are enabling his silliness to sing out of HIS OWN SPIRIT. Paul says that this means that he is "just speaking INTO THE AIR." God provided a WAY for ME and I will never get SLICKERED, SUCKERED, SLIMED into the foulest HUCKSTERISM known to church history.

Your are getting your CHARGIES from the CHANGELINGS where singers were ALWAYS "seen as the harem of the gods." You cannot obey Paul's direct command and PLEASURE yourself which means to "get lifted up with singing."
  • <font color=blue>1 Cor 15:1 WE then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

    1 Cor 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification. </font>
Stroking your PLEASURE CENTERS to, in the words of the Vineyard lady --(aka New Wineskins meaning in Shelly's words to EXHILARATE)-- to experience a CLIMACTIC experience with the Spirit. The NEXT act of worship--naturally as in all pagan prostitute religions--is GIVING OF SUBSTANCE. "You PLAY, you PAY" only fair.

Edification is EDUCATION and the Word of God is the COMMANDED resource: you are NOT speaking the same things but Keith is leading you by the unnameable to PLEASURE you so that you PLAY and PAY.

You DIRECTLY repudiate being Christ-like. You cannot be CHRIST LIKE and see the assembly as PLEASURING
  • <font color=blue>1 Cor 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. </font>
These reproaches in the prophesied Hebrew means NAKEDNESS: that is you EXPOSE the nakedness VIRTUALLY and this historically has led to extra curricular exposure. Plato called it "gender bleed" or "gender crossover."
  • <font color=blue>Psa 69:9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.

    <font color=purple>Chresis (g5540) khray'-sis; from 5530; employment, i.e. (spec.) sexual intercourse

    For the zeal (jealousy) of thine house (temple) hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me. Psalm 69:9

    Cherphah (h2781) kher-paw'; from 2778; contumely, disgrace, the pudenda: - rebuke, reproach (-fully), shame.

    Charizesthai erastais Pederasty musicians, odes, Mousa paidikee, which are mere play for him. A nomos for cinaedi [dogs] by a Sybarite Hemitheon is mentioned by Lucian adv. ind. 23 (cf. Pseudo-Lucian 3).
    • Luke 7:32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.
    </font>
    Psa 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a REPROACH of men, and despised of the people.

    Psa 22:7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,

    Psa 22:8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. </font>
This word CHERPHAH has many similar Greek words. They all relate to CHARISMATIC (as in Grace Centered or Charis) which is in all paganism musical and homosexual--more real than virtual.

Jesus DIED to give you REST from these musical types (always seen as parasites) and REST specifically says STOP the speaking, singing, playing instruments and on and on. Christ the Spirit is the ONLY Comforter and Keith is NOT Christ:
  • <font color=blue>1 Cor 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the SCRIPTURES might have hope.

    1 Cor 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

    1 Cor 15:6 That ye may with one MIND and one MOUTH glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. [KEITH is getting the GLORY]

    1 Cor 15:7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us, to the glory of God. </font>
You people have DIRECTLY violated the LETTER and SPIRIT of the direct commands and examples of God Incarnate. Sing, doing Voodoo polyrhythmic clapping, laught and on and on IS mocking Jesus Christ who ONCE came as your ONLY RABBI. And YOU chased Him out and HE took His true lambs with Him because THEY can hear HIS VOICE.

Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3 prove the same thing: there is NO MUSIC connected with the SYNAGOGUE which is a school of the Bible. You HAVE to have a degree in something to NOT be able to see that you are engaged in a 100% pagan religionism DELIBERATELY CALCULATED to drive out the OWNERS so you can suck in seekers more likely to by books, bookings and CDs.

SECRET hidden from the fools who PAY and LOVE to be fooled: The assembly is for EDUCATION, the TEXTBOOK is "that which is written" by the Spirit of Christ (1 Pe 1:11), the METHOD is speaking with ONE MIND and ONE MOUTH and the result is PEACE and HARMONY.

You guys are a VISUAL AID of God pouring out His wrath on people AFTER He HAS removed His CANDLESTICK (the seven spirits of Divine Knowledge). The Hebrew prophecy means that He sends you STRONG DELUSIONS in the form of Jesters, buffoons and musicians--all known as PARASITES.

Just MOUTHING words like PREFERENCES and ENJOYING and GROWTH is the MARK that the SPIRIT has fled like His symbols did from the Jerusalem Temple as He went into EXILE with His People and HE NEVER CAME BACK TO THE TEMPLE.
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Estill B.
Estill B.

May 31st, 2005, 5:03 pm #7

Hello Estill,

I have not heard from you in a while. Welcome to this discussion.

Your question was: “You're making it Keith's fault because someone misunderstands the words to an Acappella song?”

Jimmy answers: YES INDEED! The man in charge is the one responsible. We are not talking about “someone.” Keith wrote <font color=blue>“OFTEN, PEOPLE…” </font> Since this would seem NOT to just be a person who was not paying attention but “people” who really could not, but thought they did, understand the words of the SONGS! If the “PEOPLE” thought that the singers were “CURSING” it looks to me like that would certainly be part or ALL of Kieth’s fault. People can only understand what they hear. Keith is the one responsible, isn’t he? I mean the web site claims that he is.

<font size=3 color=red>It would be simple to just change a few “words” in the song. Why continue to use “words” that sound like “curse words?” Unless that is the results you desire. </font>

A song is written by a man and it can be re-written by the man.

The Bible has this to say about “WORDS”:
<font size=3 color=blue>“For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” Matthew 12:37

“So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.” 1 Corinthians 14:9-11

“If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.” 1 Timothy 4:6

“Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.” 2 Timothy 1:13

“But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;” Jude 1:17

“Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words…” Revelation 1:3 </font>
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It seems like a lot of Keith’s works of “words” would fall into the following category:

“Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.” 2 Timothy 2:14

“And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not…” 2 Peter 2:3

“For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.” 2 Peter 2:18

Words can be used in a correct manner, but words can also be used in an incorrect manner. It seems that some of Kieth’s would fall into the incorrect manner.

In Christian Love,

Jimmy
My original question was: “You're making it Keith's fault because someone misunderstands the words to an Acappella song?”

Your answer, Jimmy, was: The man in charge is the one responsible. We are not talking about “someone.” Keith wrote “OFTEN, PEOPLE…” Since this would seem NOT to just be a person who was not paying attention but “people” who really could not, but thought they did, understand the words of the SONGS! If the “PEOPLE” thought that the singers were “CURSING” it looks to me like that would certainly be part or ALL of Kieth’s fault. People can only understand what they hear. Keith is the one responsible, isn’t he? I mean the web site claims that he is.

Let me rephrase: “You're making it Keith's fault because some PEOPLE misunderstand the words to an Acappella song?”

Here is the direct quote from the website:

“We often get requests from people wishing to know the lyrics to a certain song. Over the years, we have released more than eighty titles. That would put us somewhere around 850 songs and thousands of words that someone will want to figure out. Often, people are singing along with the song and singing the wrong words. On a few occasions, we have been accused of cursing, supporting all manner of sinful activities, and supporting political platforms. All because someone misunderstood the words.

So, to make things easier on the lyrically starving masses, we have posted every word to every song on the official Acappella Company Lyrics Website... also called acadisc.com. This wonderful site (which also has lyrics to other group's songs as well) is monitored by Ken Pittman and run by volunteers. Drop by and tell them we sent you.”

So, where does it say (as you have stated) “Keith is the one responsible, isn’t he? I mean the web site claims that he is”?

From this DIRECT QUOTE from the website, it seems to be their stance that because someone or some PEOPLE misunderstood the words to either one or more songs, that they wish to direct these PEOPLE to the correct lyrics.

When we have a solid argument, we can make it. Our credibility suffers when we make arguments that aren’t there.

E.B.
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Estill B.
Estill B.

May 31st, 2005, 5:10 pm #8

Keith is actually hired to directly violate ALL of the direct commands of God. Non and Anti Scriptural songs are speaking in tongues:
  • <font color=blue>1 Cor 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

    1Co.14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. </font>
IF you would obey the example of Jesus to CAST OUT LIKE DUNG the musical minstrels and IF you SPOKE what you are commanded to SPEAK then everyone would LEARN the Biblical TEXT and we would not need to PROCURE a WATERMAN to replace the FREE WATER OF THE WORD. After a few years of speaking the Psalms in song and sermony we would HAVE A KNOWLEDGE base instead of being DELIBERATELY FOGGED up so that we KNOW NOTHING.

A "tongue" is a minor dialect whereas Koine was a language. The mostly-strangers moving through Corinth would attempt to sing songs of their own making using their own dialect which as with Hebrew and Latin were believed to be more powerful. The songs and prayers came from their OWN SPIRIT and therefore had no teaching value even though they may have sounded more spiritual because of the highly-honed way of even pagan sermonizing and versifying. I enjoy listening to Monks chanting in Latin!

Here is a direct command:
  • <font color=blue>1 Cor 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the FELLOWSHIP of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. </font>

    The church is called OUT of the world but called INTO fellowship weekly. We are CALLED by Him which means that we DISHONOR Him if some theatrical type STANDS IN THE HOLY PLACE.

    <font color=blue>1Co.1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

    1Co. 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. </font>
Postmodernism and the Purpose Driven Cult intends to create contentions to drive you into schizophrenia and SPOUT, SPOUT, SPOUT garbage slandering "conservatives or traditonalists" all of which means slandering Bible students.

Some say, "I am of Jesus Christ" and so we will speak the Words of Jesus Christ. But SOME say, "We are of KEITH and we will sing and speak the WORDS of Keith as they have been delivered to him." The meaning of BAPTISM is to MAKE DISCIPLES. Joe the Tentmaker knew how to spin and weave black goat's wool, and make seams to make the best tent in the ancient world. Joe would accept you as a DISCIPLE only if he adopted you, washed you, gave you HIS name and you pledged yourself to learn and not divulge his valuable trade secrets.

You DID NOT disciple yourself to Keith, Keith did not BAPTIZE you, give you his name and YOU paid his silliness to TEACH you the mysteries of HIS faith. That is why Paul told the Corinthians in so many words: "Fools love to be fooled."
  • <font color=blue>1Co. 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

    1Co. 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to PREACH the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. </font>
Jesus died, Jesus has the MYSTERIES and therefore when our bodies are washed in water HE washes our Spirit so that His words will FIT into our minds. Paul baptized disciples but HE did not make disciples into HIS NAME.

You are all DISCIPLED to Keith and you WRANGLE and produce WRANGLING all over the known world. Now, you are deliberately and WITH A HIGH HAND violating ALL of the direct commands which you SECOND INCARNATE into MUSIC so that you can PREVENT the people from "speaking the same things."

Now the Changeling preachers will REPROACH this as PATTERNISM but they have--for a price too high--a new PARADIGMISM. THEY say that WE cannot speak the same THINGS so that means that YOU cannot fault ME for just GETTING VISONS and hearing God's voice AUDIBLY and "partnering with God" to OBSOLETE the songs and sermons of God. YOU cannot dispute that YOU are enabling his silliness to sing out of HIS OWN SPIRIT. Paul says that this means that he is "just speaking INTO THE AIR." God provided a WAY for ME and I will never get SLICKERED, SUCKERED, SLIMED into the foulest HUCKSTERISM known to church history.

Your are getting your CHARGIES from the CHANGELINGS where singers were ALWAYS "seen as the harem of the gods." You cannot obey Paul's direct command and PLEASURE yourself which means to "get lifted up with singing."
  • <font color=blue>1 Cor 15:1 WE then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

    1 Cor 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification. </font>
Stroking your PLEASURE CENTERS to, in the words of the Vineyard lady --(aka New Wineskins meaning in Shelly's words to EXHILARATE)-- to experience a CLIMACTIC experience with the Spirit. The NEXT act of worship--naturally as in all pagan prostitute religions--is GIVING OF SUBSTANCE. "You PLAY, you PAY" only fair.

Edification is EDUCATION and the Word of God is the COMMANDED resource: you are NOT speaking the same things but Keith is leading you by the unnameable to PLEASURE you so that you PLAY and PAY.

You DIRECTLY repudiate being Christ-like. You cannot be CHRIST LIKE and see the assembly as PLEASURING
  • <font color=blue>1 Cor 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. </font>
These reproaches in the prophesied Hebrew means NAKEDNESS: that is you EXPOSE the nakedness VIRTUALLY and this historically has led to extra curricular exposure. Plato called it "gender bleed" or "gender crossover."
  • <font color=blue>Psa 69:9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.

    <font color=purple>Chresis (g5540) khray'-sis; from 5530; employment, i.e. (spec.) sexual intercourse

    For the zeal (jealousy) of thine house (temple) hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me. Psalm 69:9

    Cherphah (h2781) kher-paw'; from 2778; contumely, disgrace, the pudenda: - rebuke, reproach (-fully), shame.

    Charizesthai erastais Pederasty musicians, odes, Mousa paidikee, which are mere play for him. A nomos for cinaedi [dogs] by a Sybarite Hemitheon is mentioned by Lucian adv. ind. 23 (cf. Pseudo-Lucian 3).
    • Luke 7:32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.
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    Psa 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a REPROACH of men, and despised of the people.

    Psa 22:7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,

    Psa 22:8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. </font>
This word CHERPHAH has many similar Greek words. They all relate to CHARISMATIC (as in Grace Centered or Charis) which is in all paganism musical and homosexual--more real than virtual.

Jesus DIED to give you REST from these musical types (always seen as parasites) and REST specifically says STOP the speaking, singing, playing instruments and on and on. Christ the Spirit is the ONLY Comforter and Keith is NOT Christ:
  • <font color=blue>1 Cor 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the SCRIPTURES might have hope.

    1 Cor 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

    1 Cor 15:6 That ye may with one MIND and one MOUTH glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. [KEITH is getting the GLORY]

    1 Cor 15:7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us, to the glory of God. </font>
You people have DIRECTLY violated the LETTER and SPIRIT of the direct commands and examples of God Incarnate. Sing, doing Voodoo polyrhythmic clapping, laught and on and on IS mocking Jesus Christ who ONCE came as your ONLY RABBI. And YOU chased Him out and HE took His true lambs with Him because THEY can hear HIS VOICE.

Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3 prove the same thing: there is NO MUSIC connected with the SYNAGOGUE which is a school of the Bible. You HAVE to have a degree in something to NOT be able to see that you are engaged in a 100% pagan religionism DELIBERATELY CALCULATED to drive out the OWNERS so you can suck in seekers more likely to by books, bookings and CDs.

SECRET hidden from the fools who PAY and LOVE to be fooled: The assembly is for EDUCATION, the TEXTBOOK is "that which is written" by the Spirit of Christ (1 Pe 1:11), the METHOD is speaking with ONE MIND and ONE MOUTH and the result is PEACE and HARMONY.

You guys are a VISUAL AID of God pouring out His wrath on people AFTER He HAS removed His CANDLESTICK (the seven spirits of Divine Knowledge). The Hebrew prophecy means that He sends you STRONG DELUSIONS in the form of Jesters, buffoons and musicians--all known as PARASITES.

Just MOUTHING words like PREFERENCES and ENJOYING and GROWTH is the MARK that the SPIRIT has fled like His symbols did from the Jerusalem Temple as He went into EXILE with His People and HE NEVER CAME BACK TO THE TEMPLE.
Ken,

You know I don't disagree with your arguments the great majority of the time.

However, you said: "You people have DIRECTLY violated the LETTER and SPIRIT of the direct commands and examples of God Incarnate."

and

"You guys are a VISUAL AID of God pouring out His wrath on people AFTER He HAS removed His CANDLESTICK (the seven spirits of Divine Knowledge)."

Jimmy and I are the only others on this thread. Are you talking to both of us?

I'll never understand why you must personally attack someone for trying to have a civil debate.

E.B.
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Jimmy Wren
Jimmy Wren

May 31st, 2005, 8:31 pm #9

My original question was: “You're making it Keith's fault because someone misunderstands the words to an Acappella song?”

Your answer, Jimmy, was: The man in charge is the one responsible. We are not talking about “someone.” Keith wrote “OFTEN, PEOPLE…” Since this would seem NOT to just be a person who was not paying attention but “people” who really could not, but thought they did, understand the words of the SONGS! If the “PEOPLE” thought that the singers were “CURSING” it looks to me like that would certainly be part or ALL of Kieth’s fault. People can only understand what they hear. Keith is the one responsible, isn’t he? I mean the web site claims that he is.

Let me rephrase: “You're making it Keith's fault because some PEOPLE misunderstand the words to an Acappella song?”

Here is the direct quote from the website:

“We often get requests from people wishing to know the lyrics to a certain song. Over the years, we have released more than eighty titles. That would put us somewhere around 850 songs and thousands of words that someone will want to figure out. Often, people are singing along with the song and singing the wrong words. On a few occasions, we have been accused of cursing, supporting all manner of sinful activities, and supporting political platforms. All because someone misunderstood the words.

So, to make things easier on the lyrically starving masses, we have posted every word to every song on the official Acappella Company Lyrics Website... also called acadisc.com. This wonderful site (which also has lyrics to other group's songs as well) is monitored by Ken Pittman and run by volunteers. Drop by and tell them we sent you.”

So, where does it say (as you have stated) “Keith is the one responsible, isn’t he? I mean the web site claims that he is”?

From this DIRECT QUOTE from the website, it seems to be their stance that because someone or some PEOPLE misunderstood the words to either one or more songs, that they wish to direct these PEOPLE to the correct lyrics.

When we have a solid argument, we can make it. Our credibility suffers when we make arguments that aren’t there.

E.B.
Estill writes: “Let me rephrase: You're making it Keith's fault because some PEOPLE misunderstand the words to an Acappella song?”

Jimmy comments: No! If some people, on ONE occasion, misunderstood the words to ONE song we would not even be discussing it. Okay! Do you understand that my answer is no.

My original comments were: Understandest thou what thou singest?

In Colossians 3:16 we are told to “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”

Our singing is a means of teachings. Knowing the importance of the things that we are teaching, one should give the utmost attentions to getting it “understandable” and “correct.”

Such is not always the case with the disciples of Keith Lancaster. It seems that “entertainment” is the motivating factor behind his contemporary music.”

The following is taken from Keith’s web site at: http://www.acappella.org/lyrics.htm

<font size=3 color=blue>Often, people are singing along with the song and singing the wrong words. On a few occasions, we have been accused of cursing, supporting all manner of sinful activities, and supporting political platforms. All because someone misunderstood the words. </font>

Perhaps it might be better if that type of “MUSIC” was left to the world.

In Christian Love,

Jimmy
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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

May 31st, 2005, 9:37 pm #10

Ken,

You know I don't disagree with your arguments the great majority of the time.

However, you said: "You people have DIRECTLY violated the LETTER and SPIRIT of the direct commands and examples of God Incarnate."

and

"You guys are a VISUAL AID of God pouring out His wrath on people AFTER He HAS removed His CANDLESTICK (the seven spirits of Divine Knowledge)."

Jimmy and I are the only others on this thread. Are you talking to both of us?

I'll never understand why you must personally attack someone for trying to have a civil debate.

E.B.
E.B. the issue was the TEAM and KEITH, not you!

Ken
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