Holy Spirit: Wayne Jackson

Joined: July 29th, 2010, 2:32 pm

August 11th, 2010, 7:17 pm #31

We would expect that a theologian who got his/her/its training at a liberal arts college to be a Liberal Artist. (tee hee).

However, we are shocked that we are not shocked that a Phd in Greek or New Testament would not be able to understand the word used for BEAST. The pre and post gnostics identified ZOE as the "the beast and female instructing principle." ZOE is also used to define a beast in the Greek world, or one who got their "living" by using music or poetry which was a synonym for the literates for "liars." "Parasite" was another code word for a "harp player". Zoe also means "scum on milk."
Not to be surprised that theologians do not quote the context of ORIGINAL SOURCES and what the quote they are disabled so that they cannot grasp that "He has the spirit OF DENSNESS" does not mean that a being named DENSNESS lives inside of his body: he just has no brain cells which match up with a prepositional phrase. I think that is what means "a race of vipers" God would baptize with WIND and FIRE.

We readers understand that a THERION is NOT an animal although they may be of the VIPER race we are warned to save ourselves from.

Therion includes:
Mousikê aei ti kainon THERIONthêrion tiktei
A. mousikos
B. aei always
C. kainos , esp. of new dramas, the representation of the new tragedies, (Aphrodisias dedicated to Aphrodite (ZOE); comedy, sexual love, pleasure, a woman's form of oath, Aster or Venus or ZOE.
Therion
D. Tikto mostly of the mother {Eve is Zoe: mother of all the LIVING.]
E. of Rhea [EVE] one of the zoogonic or vivific principles


LUCRETIUS ON CYBELE: THE MOTHER GODDESS: Demeter and Proserpine have become the heroines of a mystic drama; and their wanderings, and seizure, and grief, Eleusis celebrates by torchlight processions. I think that the derivation of orgies and mysteries ought to be traced, the former to the wrath (orge) of Demeter against Zeus, the latter to the nefarious wickedness (mu/soj) relating to Dionysus; but if from Myus of Attica, who Pollodorus says was killed in hunting-no matter, I don't grudge your mysteries the glory of funeral honours.

You may understand mysteria in another way, as mytheria (hunting fables), the letters of the two words being interchanged; for certainly fables of this sort hunt after the most barbarous of the Thracians, the most senseless of the Phrygians, and the superstitious among the Greeks.


NOW, SINCE NO KNOWN THEOLOGIAN HAS ADVANCED TO THE PEAK OF THEIR INCOMPETENCE and able to understand "WHAT IS A PREPOSITION?" What if THAT is the first MARK the Locusts (Muses) ask to SEGREGATE those marked by THERION from those marked by LOGOS where all of the LOGOS words are translated SPEAK "which is the opposite of rhetoric, poetry or music."

Jesus fired the doctors of the law because "they take away the key to knowledge." The only skill they need is NOT to know how to define a PREPOSITION.
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Donnie
Donnie

August 12th, 2010, 7:43 pm #32

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]There are numerous misconceptions concerning "the spirit OF God." We will be discussing these in more detail when time permits.

While expressions "the Spirit" and "the holy Spirit" are found in Scripture and are commonly identified and espoused by the religious community as the THIRD PERSON in the Trinity Doctrine, a very careful study on the issue will demand an understanding of what and how other similar expressions are used in the Holy Scripture.

As already pointed out, in the expression "tree of the garden," is the tree itself the garden? I think not. In the expression "the nose of Jimmy Durante," is the nose itself the person of Mr. Durante? I think not.

We've already noted other expressions regarding "the Spirit":

-- The Spirit OF Christ
-- The Spirit OF Jesus Christ (Phil. 1:19)
-- The Spirit OF God
-- The Spirit OF our God
-- The Spirit OF the living God
-- The Spirit OF the Father (Matt. 10:20)
-- The Spirit OF truth
-- The Spirit OF the Lord
-- The Spirit OF the Lord God

Plus, whose Spirit?

-- The Spirit OF His Son
-- HIS Spirit (Rom. 8:11; I Cor. 2:10; I John 4:13)
-- HIS holy Spirit (Isa. 63:10,11; I Thess. 4:8)
-- The Spirit OF Him that raised up Jesus (Rom. 8:11)
-- The Spirit which is OF God (I Cor. 2:12)

One other question is the gender designation. Is it an "it" or a "He"? More next time.[/color]
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Dave
Dave

August 13th, 2010, 4:53 pm #33

Hot here in the south, but supposed to be better by tomorrow. I think it is very important that you gents continue on a conversation, even if it is just amongst yourselves....even if no one wants to hear it....and even if there are better things to talk about, like salvation of the lost.

William Crump......noticed where you said "Therefore, do not make the mistake of assuming that everyone who visits this site posts messages."

Warding off those that assume....BUT...then you do a great deal of assuming by saying "It is also quite possible that a fair number of messages submitted are rejected by the moderator, because those messages are completely unfit for posting here; that is, they contain spam, vulgarity, profanity, or pornography."

Unless you have data William, you are also assuming, eh? How many is 'a fair number?' A lot? A fair number. Can you give a percentage, or are you just ASSUMING?
Oh, never mind....I should realize that it came from you.
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Donnie
Donnie

August 13th, 2010, 7:33 pm #34

Here are stats that might interest you:

Page views worldwide for this week (so far):

<font face="courier">SUN (Aug. 8) ------ 219
MON (Aug. 9) ------ 373
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WED (Aug. 11) ----- 254
THU (Aug. 12) ----- 212
FRI (Aug. 13) ----- 129 (so far)

Today from the U.S. ----- 105 (so far)
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-------- Other Countries- 018


For no. of visitors, see counter (sitemeter) on this page below.

No, Dave, we're not competing with YouTube, etc., and the rest of the world or the Pentecostal groups. But we have visitors from Ukraine and other places.

So, please do not insult our visitors and regular concerned members with your condescending and uncivil remarks.</font>
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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

August 14th, 2010, 12:36 am #35

At this submission, the sitemeter showed nearly 1,534,000 hits. Donnie, is that the total number of hits since CM began or is that for this year so far?

People who want this site to fail will say that the number of posts equals the number of visitors. If there are few posts, then there must be few visitors. The stats show that reasoning to be false. As I said earlier, far more people are likely to read the messages but are not willing to participate in the discussions.
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Dave
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August 14th, 2010, 4:20 am #36

Here are stats that might interest you:

Page views worldwide for this week (so far):

<font face="courier">SUN (Aug. 8) ------ 219
MON (Aug. 9) ------ 373
TUE (Aug. 10) ----- 409
WED (Aug. 11) ----- 254
THU (Aug. 12) ----- 212
FRI (Aug. 13) ----- 129 (so far)

Today from the U.S. ----- 105 (so far)
-------------- Romania -- 003
-------------- France --- 002
-------------- Australia- 001
-------- Other Countries- 018


For no. of visitors, see counter (sitemeter) on this page below.

No, Dave, we're not competing with YouTube, etc., and the rest of the world or the Pentecostal groups. But we have visitors from Ukraine and other places.

So, please do not insult our visitors and regular concerned members with your condescending and uncivil remarks.</font>
For the ones who do come here and cop a view, why do you think that they don't post or make comments?

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Dr. Bill Crump
Dr. Bill Crump

August 14th, 2010, 1:36 pm #37

At this submission, the sitemeter showed nearly 1,534,000 hits. Donnie, is that the total number of hits since CM began or is that for this year so far?

People who want this site to fail will say that the number of posts equals the number of visitors. If there are few posts, then there must be few visitors. The stats show that reasoning to be false. As I said earlier, far more people are likely to read the messages but are not willing to participate in the discussions.
Of course, there may be some folks who are so rabidly bent on seeing the CM site closed that they deny the results of sitemeters and other stats that show the number of hits to this site. To those people, the number of posts will always reflect the number of visitors; few posts mean few visitors. Such people close their eyes to the facts, because the facts refute these people's preconceived notions. In a similar analogy, people who strongly believe that the earth is flat will vehemently deny pictures of the earth taken from space. They will claim that pictures showing a round earth have been fabricated. Such people also close their eyes to the facts, because the facts refute these people's preconceived notions.
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Ray
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August 14th, 2010, 2:48 pm #38

For the ones who do come here and cop a view, why do you think that they don't post or make comments?
I come here just to see how far Donnie, Ken, John, and their disciples have departed from the Bible and the Gospel, to see if they are still grieving the Holy Spirit, to see who their next target for lies and divisiveness is next, and as a reminder that are still those who call themselves Christians but oppose the doctrine of Christ.

They are always in my prayers to return to God and to live a life like Jesus would live.

God bless
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Ken Sublett
Ken Sublett

August 14th, 2010, 7:11 pm #39

Question: If we are saved and have a relationship with God then we are connected with God through His Spirit. Think, if you can blaspheme God and Christ and be forgiven but you cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit and be forgiven, then the Spirit of God has to be a Person

That's not exactly what Jesus said.

Mark 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said,
......He hath Beelzebub, and
......by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.


They say that the spirit IN Jesus was the Devil.

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you,
......All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men,
......and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost
......hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:


Now look closely: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was saying that the Spirit in Jesus was an UNCLEAN spirit.

Mark 3:30 Because they said, HE hath an UNclean spirit.

Instead, the Spirit that Jesus had was A HOLY Spirit perfectly clean.

Now, look at the supporting evidence.

James 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

James 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?


The Spirit OF Christ is the Advocate or Comforter.

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
......And if any man sin,
......we have an advocate (Comforter) with the Father,
......Jesus Christ the righteous:

So, what about saying that THE Spirit which was IN Jesus Christ as a clean or HOLY Spirit was NOT His at all? Can people believe that the spirit that Jesus HATH was a HE and another person standing outside of Jesus? That leaves Jesus without His own Spirit or Mind as Paul draws the parallel in 1 Corinthians 2.
The links to the comments in pictures below:

http://www.piney.com/FathIrenaHerII.html#THE

http://www.piney.com/Augustine.Faith.Creed.html

Those who began to define the Godhead as OPPOSITE to the three person (gods) of all pagans, did not include the Spirit OF Christ or the Spirit OF God as a separated being. Augustine who wrote the most warned against making dogma out of the concept. He quotes some of the views at that time.

I will expand later on the COMMUNICATION of the Holy Spirit. Jesus spoke the WORDS of God because He had the Spirit of God WITHOUT METER (so metron can be read). This fits the pattern that SPEAK is the opposite of poetry (meter) music. Speak as in rhetoric would define a hypocrite.






If the preachers or musicians speak FOR the Spirit in the morning, Scripture and all recorded evidence proves that they are being led by a lying spirit or The spirit OF lying which is NOT another person.
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August 14th, 2010, 7:21 pm #40

I come here just to see how far Donnie, Ken, John, and their disciples have departed from the Bible and the Gospel, to see if they are still grieving the Holy Spirit, to see who their next target for lies and divisiveness is next, and as a reminder that are still those who call themselves Christians but oppose the doctrine of Christ.

They are always in my prayers to return to God and to live a life like Jesus would live.

God bless
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Ray,

The question is NOT: "WHO" is the Holy Spirit PERSON in the papal-contrived Trinity Doctrine that the Christian is grieving?

Rather, the question is: "WHOSE Spirit" -- which is holy -- is the Christian grieving? The answer is: the HOLY Spirit OF God. Notice the adjective "HOLY" and the preposition "OF" -- meaning that "God's holy Spirit" is not a being nor is it a name. You will never find "God the Holy Spirit" in the Bible. The Pope invented that.

Ray, I still do not know your church affiliation. I know about your stance on the use of musical devices in the assembly of saints. But churches of Christ do not use or play inanimate musical devices in their assemblies.

I could be wrong in that maybe you were a member of the same church, but your leaders decided to add the mechanical operation of musical instruments in your worship. If that's the case, I would urge you and your leaders to get rid of musical objects and return to "the old paths."[/color]
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