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December 3rd, 2003, 3:54 am #21

New Letter circulating in Hohenwald demanding that the Judas goats resign.

http://www.piney.com/Hohenwald.Letter.three.html

Elder does not need Biblical authority for changing baptism or approving of instrumental music.

What is the logic? Well, he was probably reading Rubel Shelly.

John said that the world would not hold the books if everything revealed about Christ were written. Hey, but God is infinite and eternal. Therefore, you cannot write his deeds in a book.

But these guys believe that John meant that there was just not enough books to define the actions of Jesus. But, if someone wrote every microsecond of the earthly life of Jesus and everything He TAUGHT you could get it in a book.

Nevertheless, they believe there are UNWRITTEN words floating around and JUST NOW making their way into THEIR deluded minds. But, if music is now ok when Jesus repudiated it in MANY ways, and if he had spoken some words which approved of the effeminate fellows doing "praise songs" then WHICH Jesus is the Messiah and which one is a LIAR.

The truth is that they HATE water and they hate SILENCE and giving heed to the WORDS of Christ "as they have been taught." That is an OLD fact which needs not proving now. But, I believe that Satan has them by their tail in these end times.

Ken Sublett
Please stop judging us. It seems that your letters are tearing our church down more than it is helping. You are publicly attacking our leadership which is uncalled for. If you want to help us then stop writing these letters that offend, and try to do something constructive.
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December 4th, 2003, 4:38 am #22

I have answered direcly to the question. However, I have been a member of the Hohenwald Church of Christ for about ten years after retiring back here. I left in 1950 to "make the world safe for communism" in 1950. Turns out, what we thought to be futile risks turned out to make us winners after the evil collapsed.

I have been BAITED and SWITCHED out of a large dollar ammount after being warned many times. Hohenwald has been DISSOCIATED as they say first by the Jubilee, then Promise Keepers and now the Purpose Driven Cult. From a high of close to 350 their "great leap forward" has them less than 200 and people fleeing every day. The self-selected elders DO NOT believe what churches of Christ believe. Therefore, in the words of Charles Spurgeon, this makes them beyond the pale of ethics and Christian conduct as they COLLECT and DIVERT the residuals of a dead, crippled widow and the "church house of living widows who flee in tears." This is Satanic.

The are not free thinkers but have been taken captive by the likes of Rubel Shelly who cannot speak the Bible STRAIGHT. He speaks of a FAMILY or COMMUNE church and claims that REPENTANCE does not lead to baptism but to a "GUSHING FORTH OF THE HOLY SPIRIT PERSON." Well, easy test: Jesus and Paul or Rubel Shelly a latter day prophet with NEW GLASSES to get a NEW VISION for the church. Lynn Anderson is another Messiah who promotes the Shepherding or Discipling dilema out of San Antonio. And Max Lucado also from the "Alamo" who just had the STAFF hire a DISCIPLING MINISTER. Lucado brought Spiritism from Brazil and is heading up the missions in Brazil to cross infect the churches of Christ. Rubel Shelly boasts that Max Lucado picked him up recently at the airport in a LIMO. Sure, he was in San Antonio just to see the ALAMO.

COMMERCE or TRAFFICKING leaders who TAKE OVER the "spiritual rule" cannot help but introduce the same COMMERCIAL schemes into the church. They are biblically illiterate and will not tolerate anyone who knows more about the Bible than they do.

I became a shut in with all of my glands failing so I cannot attend right now.

Ken Sublett
Mr Sublett
Become a shut in and say the things you say about God's church and God's people. Pardon the comment but who are you to judge the way we worship our Creator, our Lord, and our God? Get your act and your glands straightened up before you will one day face the judgment of God like we all will and reap truly what you sow.

Evan Duncan
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December 4th, 2003, 4:16 pm #23

Jay Guin Partial reviews.

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http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.The.Fork.in.The.Road.html
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Tainted by the Promise Keeper's cult, the Purpose Driven Cult, the Spiritist cult of Max Lucado, the Jubilee Cult of Rubel Shelly and any scam with "promises," the Hohenwald church has done a great leap forward from almost 350 as an average to probably less than 200 now with daily defections.

Major symptom is an ACU product which promotes FEMINIST HERMENEUTICS.

The ACU Agenda: Train PROPHETIC ROLES, CHANELLERS and FACILITATORS the method of subverting the 'hierarchial" views of JESUS and Paul. the end-time subversion is the beginninng-time version which is "FEMINIST hermeneutics stands over against patriarchal hermeneutics" its goal achieved "by small, often unnoticed acts of SUBVERSION. Numerous such incremental changes, like EROSION, will eventually bring down the FORTRESS " ( WOMEN IN THE CHURCH: Reclaiming the Ideal p. 32).

The symptoms from the Masculine Journey is the Feminists and effeminate turn away from the WORD including BAPTISM and the turn to singing silly, erotic praise songs, which in history was for little JEHOVAH to sing up praises to Sophia and mother ZOE to elevate himself up to the seventh, yet inferior, heaven.

It is following the same Madison plan where you get into a charismatic spasm and can't quit shooting yourself in the foot. The people were not fooled but have lived in a decade of gut-grinding sowing of discord.

At the root is Biblical illiteracy.

K. Sublett
I have updated the review of Bruce telegraphing his punches about getting rid of YOUR old traditions about music and baptism and "inviting in the world."

http://www.piney.com/Bruce.Mclntyre.Hohenwald.html

Getting DISSOCIATED by PK does strange things to men's PHALLIC JOURNEY.

The Wimbers out of Fuller are the parents of a mentally disturbed effort to turn the logical (spiritual) churches into HOLY THEATERS or the HOLY SPIRIT TAVERN. Carol Wimber is the MOTHER of end- time MUSIC prophesied to be the product of the HOLY WHORE in Revelation. The MUSES are the LOCUSTS with stings in their tail to bring on a PLAGUE of weeping sores. The AGENTS who LOOSE the locusts are agents of APOLLO or ABBADON or APOLLYON or the DEVIL. The BEAST is identified in the Greek world as PAN the little perverted blower of the PAN PIPES. His 'HORNS" are defined by the Bible words as MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS to help the powers of the BEAST to take over their mountain or little kingdom. The battle of music and the mountains or LOOKING TO THE HILLS is defined by the word ARMAGEDDON.

Get the connection between MUSICAL PERFORMANCE and WEEPING SORES?

One size does not fit all but why would a "christian" choose the persona of holy sexual music as prostitution and of the SODOMITES in the Bible to STAND IN THE HOLY PLACE claiming to be GOD by claiming to lead you into the presence of God. In Jezebel's religion "homosexuality bound the 'spirit' and the flesh together." It was the prostitutes, sodomites and musicians of Zeus-Dionysus who were the Abomination of Desolation in the Jerusalem Temple. Sure, the Jewish clergy even tried it on Jesus because they HOPED that messiah would be Dionysus. Indeed, the JUDAS BAG for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments, and the prophecy about Judas in Psalm 41 identified HIM as the chief leader of the priests who tried to PANIC Jesus with charismatic music. Judas was a SICARRI or Assassin who went into crowds to carry out a contract to ASSINATE a leader. Then, using the eternal guilt clause, he would yell: "Murder, foul murder, stop the assassin." And the Assassin probably CONDEMNED the victim for getting blood on his FLUTE CASE to which the JUDAS BAG was always attached.

http://www.piney.com/DSSPsa41.html

Read about Carol Wimbers promotion of Holy Prostitution with God. If MALES get climactic with a male god isn't that HOMOSEXUALITY. There are lots out there who want to DANCE WITH GOD and bundle with him. This is a MARK of their destiny. History "knows no other tradition."

http://www.piney.com/VineyardIntimacy.html

And see that Rubel Shelly's VENUE FOR ROCK AND ROLL speaks about the role of JAZZ and VOODOO which never had any other rationale but to FACILITATE a sexual- musical experience--for a PRICE. See the connection when the RESTORATION MOVEMENT defected from the songs and sermons of Jesus Christ, the Spirit, and turned to hymns out of the SLAVE QUARTERS making 'Rock and Roll' while fooling the MASTERS that they were making religion

http://www.piney.com/RmHymns.html

Ken, looking for all of that lost fortune.
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December 8th, 2003, 2:12 am #24

Jay Guin Partial reviews.

http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Reviews.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.The.Promi ... pirit.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.What.is.A ... skins.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Instrumen ... ament.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.New.Wines ... sions.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Church.of ... .Born.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.1.Corinthians.10.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.The.Fork.in.The.Road.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Dancing.in.Worship.html
http://www.piney.com/New.Wineskins.Inst ... .Guin.html





Tainted by the Promise Keeper's cult, the Purpose Driven Cult, the Spiritist cult of Max Lucado, the Jubilee Cult of Rubel Shelly and any scam with "promises," the Hohenwald church has done a great leap forward from almost 350 as an average to probably less than 200 now with daily defections.

Major symptom is an ACU product which promotes FEMINIST HERMENEUTICS.

The ACU Agenda: Train PROPHETIC ROLES, CHANELLERS and FACILITATORS the method of subverting the 'hierarchial" views of JESUS and Paul. the end-time subversion is the beginninng-time version which is "FEMINIST hermeneutics stands over against patriarchal hermeneutics" its goal achieved "by small, often unnoticed acts of SUBVERSION. Numerous such incremental changes, like EROSION, will eventually bring down the FORTRESS " ( WOMEN IN THE CHURCH: Reclaiming the Ideal p. 32).

The symptoms from the Masculine Journey is the Feminists and effeminate turn away from the WORD including BAPTISM and the turn to singing silly, erotic praise songs, which in history was for little JEHOVAH to sing up praises to Sophia and mother ZOE to elevate himself up to the seventh, yet inferior, heaven.

It is following the same Madison plan where you get into a charismatic spasm and can't quit shooting yourself in the foot. The people were not fooled but have lived in a decade of gut-grinding sowing of discord.

At the root is Biblical illiteracy.

K. Sublett
To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they CANNOT HEARKEN: behold, the WORD of the Lord is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it. Jeremiah 6:10

Reproach meaning naked private parts: that is the way they reproach His Word.

Therefore I am full of the fury of the Lord; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly (secret meetings) of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days. Jeremiah 6:11

And their houses shall be turned unto others, with their fields and wives together: for I will stretch out my hand upon the inhabitants of the land, saith the Lord. Jeremiah 6:12

For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. Jeremiah 6:13

They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace. Jeremiah 6:14

Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither COULD THEY BLUSH: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the Lord. Jeremiah 6:15

Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We WILL NOT walk therein. Jeremiah 6:16

Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken. Jeremiah 6:17

Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them. Jeremiah 6:18

Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the FRUIT of their THOUGHTS, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it. Jeremiah 6:19

THOSE WHO BETRAY WILL BE BETRAYED.

To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country? your burnt offerings are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet unto me. Jeremiah 6:20

Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the FATHERS and the SONS together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his FRIEND shall perish. Jeremiah 6:21
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December 14th, 2003, 6:22 am #25

Kenneth,
I am a preacher in close proximity to the Hohenwald congregation and so help me, as hard as I have tried, I cannot gather from your posts or from reading on your website just exactly what it is that the Hohenwald church is guilty of doing.

I'm not saying they are innocent, but for those of us not versed in your language and sayings (eg. Zoe, etc.) please lay it all out in a coherent format so that we may know what it is that you are so upset about.

I think that it goes without saying that if a church is guilty of apostasy then we would want to avoid such but for the life of me I cannot grasp what you are trying to say.

I don't mean to be harsh but it is a serious matter to make such claims of apostasy without specific's.
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December 14th, 2003, 8:49 pm #26

It was clear to me when I returned in 1994 that Hohenwald leaders could not tolerate the Promise Keepers or Jubilee button being pushed. A grand class of adult men who grasped that if you are going to understand Hebrews or Romans you have to look to THAT OLD TESTAMENT and see what Paul is pointing to. That class was shut down under the ACCUSATION of subverting the young men.

Hohenwald very quickly declared itself a Purpose Driven Church and A Family of God. They even ERRECTED the four Asherah poles in imitation of Jubilee and of Woodmont Hills. You may remember that Halal (meaning making yourself vile, or Arabic "kosher meat") waved hands and swayed around the Asherah poles or phallic symbols which gained HUGE popularity because they are POWER POLES.

That is my personal testimony which meant that any BIBLE ORIENTED teaching would not be tolerated. Other than communicating with my family I have not initiated a single phone call.

The specific charges have been played out in the community and the Baptists are gloating over the deliberate SOWING OF DISCORD and division in the church of Christ.

As addressed to the elders who believe instruments are ok and baptism FOR the remission of sins is NOT ok:

Here is the first letter which you have had links to above but I will do it again so that I AM NOT the goat charged with BLEEDING on those who SHOOT me:

http://www.piney.com/Hohenwald.Letter.html

The second letter lays out the specifics and charges the "leadership" with a historic destruction of the church over which they have PLEDGED to oversee and obligate themselves to FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY. To their credit none of the elders knows enough about the Bible to teach it.

http://www.piney.com/Hohenwald.Letter.three.html

Another letter was read (surprise to everyone) by a deacon who led the closing prayer and resigned for Biblical Reasons addressed in his letter. That has not been made public yet. Perhaps the elders will give you a copy to assure that I didn't start this SOWING OF DISCORD.

Another letter from one with family ties for a hundred years has not been published although it went to all of the members. That is the SMOKE under which there is a historic FIRE lit by a deacon who decided to TEAM UP with the Church of God. I will e-mail you a copy if you give me your e-mail (I won't squeel) but I won't publish it

I think that these letters define what they know to be happening without any hearsay. I have been medically shut in for several years but my Biblical teachings which WOULD NOT BE TOLERATED in the church began in 1998 after being told that GIVING LOTS OF MONEY didn't give anyone the right to MAKE SUGGESTIONS. Even as a member of the Building Committee, a suggestion created quivering lips when I OUTED a suggestion which both the contractor and architect had been wanting to hear to make the project EVEN possible.

I didn't know then that my substantial contribution (with much more to come) was being collected under false pretenses intending to DIVERT it into a church which REPUDIATED the church of Christ. They suddenly assumed OWNERSHIP and the old "grey hairs" were dispensible as in all Purpose Driven Cults. I believe that claiming to be the leaders loads the burden of fiduciary responsibilit which is a later test.

I posted Russ Adcox's defence of the Purpose Driven Church model. This is a Baptist cult which intends to stop doctrinal teaching and turn church into "a theater for holy entertainment." At Madison they CONSPIRED to learn from Saddleback and then INFILTRATE and DIVERT the people into making a perverted theatrical performance out of "church" where DISCIPLES are STUDENTS and not pagan "worshipers"

Locals infiltrated a Purpose Driven Teacher into Kimmins. They always try to SUBVERT the most conservative churches first. The preacher who decided not to TAKE PAY for teaching what he believed was immediately HIRED at Hohenwald and immediately sowed massive discord by telling the women they were being abused by not letting them participate. Of course, these people are BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE and trust Max Lucado or Rubel Shelly as their LORD.

http://www.piney.com/RussAdcox.html

Readers will note that we have posted clarifying links to letters from concerned members already. So, there should not be any confusion about what they are saying.

My other generic articles OUT the universal understanding that MUSIC AS WORSHIP came with Satan or Lucifer into the Garden of Eden and is finally judged in Revelation 18. Singers and Players were almost universally prostitutes or Sodomites and were called PARASITES. Not in the most pagan temples could SINGERS or MUSICIANS enter the Holy Place. Amont the Jews the Holy Place is a type of the body or church of Christ. The EMBLEMS in the Holy Place identify the SYNAGOGUE which was a SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE with no praise service. The Most Holy Place represents the ONLY place where God seeks worship: that is the new PLACE of the human spirit.

No musical worship team or "approved" instrumentalist ever went into these places in the Temple. Their job was service (hard bondage) to the priests who were slaughtering and burning tens of thousands of TYPES of Lord Jesus Christ. Psalm 41 prophesies (for those with ears) that Judas would fail in his musical attack.

You didn't say WHAT church you preach for?

That's all, Ken

Ken Sublett
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December 14th, 2003, 10:26 pm #27

I didn't clarify the ZOE group and concept because I cannot conduct an online course on every term I use. Most people understand the ZOE GROUP as being the trainers of females and effeminate males. They are to go home and replace the Word with "singing, clapping, playing instruments, using drama, using dance" and all of the PERFORMING ARTS all recognized as paganism: raw and perverted.

ZOE is the Greek meaning of EVE which is not a name. She is Inanna, the holy whore, in Babylon, Ishtar, Mary and etc. In the literature ZOE is the "mother" of brain-drained "jehovah." She send "jehovah" into the Abyss but he decided that to virtually seduce the MOTHER OF THE GODS he would send up PRAISE SONGS to her. He was then elevated to the seventh heaven but still below the SUPREME god. There, "jehovah" organized musical worship teams to worship whom? Why, the FEMINIST GODDESSES, Sophia and Zoe. Zoe was also the sister-mother of the LOGOS or Jesus the Christ.

Zoe is the feminist CHRIST and she is also LUCIFER: the singing and harp-playing prostitute as the king/queen of Tyre. Not surprising, when the ZOE GROUP took her name the goal was a FEMINIST, hostile takeover of the church. Sophia was known as the SERPENT and Zoe as the BEAST and "the female instructing principle." When women get AUTHORITY it is Paul's word AUTHENTIA which is "both erotic and murderous." That is why Paul still says that they should remain sedentary: they cannot PERFORM without exercising AUTHENTIA or sexual power. That is why MISLEADERS want to USE them to hustle for MONEY.

Carroll D. Osburn of ACU who trains Prophets, Chanellers and Facilitators to go out and defeat the old CONSERVATIVE CHURCHES OF CHRIST....

http://www.piney.com/ ACU-OSBURN.html

Also informs us that:

"There is major disagreement on whether one should use the Bible to undergird doctrines in a "proof-texting way, or whether one should allow doctrine to EMERGE from understanding texts in their literary and historical contexts. Certainly these differing views of Scripture lie behind differing views of WOMEN in the church" (p. 90).

Rubel Shelly says that "work out your own salvation" means that WE must partner with God to work out our own Scripture. Sure, hear the AUDIBLE voice of God.

That began in the garden of Eden when Satan said (not asked), "Hath God really said." However, there is a name for a professor who hires on with those who BELIEVE in the Bible and ACTIVELY CONSPIRE to treacherously defeat them. Don't keep tigers as pets!

He shows how the CHANGE AGENTS, as at Madison, INFILTRATE AND DIVERT which to us conservatives means treacherous liars. By defining the FEMINIST takeover (male or female) he also shows what the CHANGE AGENTS brag about:

Carroll D. Osburn says that:

"Feminist hermeneutics stands over against PATRIARCHAL hermeneutics" its goal achieved
...."by small, often UNNOTICED acts of SUBVERSIONS. Numerous such incremental changes, like EROSION, will eventually bring down the FORTRESS " ( p. 32).

The fortress which is the TARGET of all effeminate music is to destroy the PATRIARCHAL "Father" where the DOVE recognized a SON and not the Babylonian whore as DAUGHTER of the MOTHER.

There are many documents or Babylonian Tablets which defines Inanna who BUILDS temples just to CREATE division between peacable brothers. We will ship that for now. However, there are many documents which define the MOTHER GODDESS hostile takeover as understood by ALL of the church fathers. When the feminists and lesbians Methodists take over as PROFESSORS and PASTORS they often try to EMERGE a worship which honors SOPHIA and by necessity ZOE and reject God as Father and not the SERPENT.

http://www.piney.com/DocoriginIntro.html

http://www.piney.com/Docorigin.html

http://www.piney.com/Dochypostas.html

In HER Second Incarnation, look here:

http://www.piney.com/Zoe-Look-To-The-Hills.html

http://www.piney.com/WinZoe.html

http://www.piney.com/WinZoe2.html

If you have CYMBALS they are LOCUSTS. Locust are resurrected MUSES who PERFORMED for Apollo or Abaddon or Apollyon. If you have singers and instrumentalists they are recognized in the Greek world as SORCERIERS and therefore PARASITES. If you don't get out you will go with them back into hell (Rev 18)

If you don't know ZOE and the MUSES you will NOT recognize the LOCUSTS when they return as musical performers. They have scorpion stings in their tail.

Yes, John used Greek legends (or maybe history) to warn those with EYES and EARS.

Ken Sublett
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December 15th, 2003, 3:58 am #28

Jay Guin Partial reviews.

http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Reviews.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.The.Promi ... pirit.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.What.is.A ... skins.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Instrumen ... ament.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.New.Wines ... sions.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Church.of ... .Born.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.1.Corinthians.10.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.The.Fork.in.The.Road.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Dancing.in.Worship.html
http://www.piney.com/New.Wineskins.Inst ... .Guin.html





Tainted by the Promise Keeper's cult, the Purpose Driven Cult, the Spiritist cult of Max Lucado, the Jubilee Cult of Rubel Shelly and any scam with "promises," the Hohenwald church has done a great leap forward from almost 350 as an average to probably less than 200 now with daily defections.

Major symptom is an ACU product which promotes FEMINIST HERMENEUTICS.

The ACU Agenda: Train PROPHETIC ROLES, CHANELLERS and FACILITATORS the method of subverting the 'hierarchial" views of JESUS and Paul. the end-time subversion is the beginninng-time version which is "FEMINIST hermeneutics stands over against patriarchal hermeneutics" its goal achieved "by small, often unnoticed acts of SUBVERSION. Numerous such incremental changes, like EROSION, will eventually bring down the FORTRESS " ( WOMEN IN THE CHURCH: Reclaiming the Ideal p. 32).

The symptoms from the Masculine Journey is the Feminists and effeminate turn away from the WORD including BAPTISM and the turn to singing silly, erotic praise songs, which in history was for little JEHOVAH to sing up praises to Sophia and mother ZOE to elevate himself up to the seventh, yet inferior, heaven.

It is following the same Madison plan where you get into a charismatic spasm and can't quit shooting yourself in the foot. The people were not fooled but have lived in a decade of gut-grinding sowing of discord.

At the root is Biblical illiteracy.

K. Sublett
It didn't take long for the leadership to blame the sudden loss of LAMBS on those who pleaded for correction. The old Guilt Clause began in the garden of Eden: "that woman made me do it." No confession, no pity for the wounded lambs. Denial, denial, denial.

The HEAVY HEART is attributed to at least two letters written as a last resort after discussions in which THEY claim heretical views about BAPTISM and INSTRUMENTS and working with A Church of God rather than those he was self-selected to MINISTER to. Charging people with lying is a terrible crime when the SHEEP AIN'T THERE.

Please don't try to deny that others were effectively DISFELLOWSHIPPED because they taught against views now being denied. No special talk with the "false teacher" as yet--five years later. The lost lamb with his purse not tagging behind him got into serious trouble repudiating JUBILEE (denying the Atonement) and Promise Keepers (a phallic cult).

Martin Luther who grasped that Romans 15 was a description of the TEACHING (not musical as in Romans 14) role of the church wrote.

http://www.piney.com/RefMLuthRom15.html

5. The best rule to follow in such matters is the rule of love. You should hold the same attitude toward these two classes that you would toward a wolf and a sheep.

"Suppose a WOLF were to wound almost fatally a sheep,
and you were to proceed with RAGE against the SHEEP,
declaring it to be WRONG in being WOUNDED, that it should be sound;

"and you were VIOLENTLY to compel it to follow the other sheep to the pasture and to the fold, giving it no special care;

"would not all men declare you inconsiderate?

"The sheep might well say: "Certainly it is WRONG for me to be wounded, and unquestionably I ought to be sound;
but direct your anger toward the INFLICTER of my wounds, and assist in my recovery."

"So should these Romans have done and have faithfully repelled the wolf-like teachers. (in Romans 14 which Paul DID NOT tolerate)

At the same time, the consciences weakened and discouraged by false doctrines should have received consideration. The Church at Rome ought not to have DENOUNCED nor IGNORED them,

"but rather to have carefully healed their spiritual disorder and ultimately eradicated the WRONG DOCTRINES,
in patience bearing with their weak brethren lest they should cause them to err.
=====================================

Calling people liars implies that chasing away the MATURE is the only way to IMPOSE the Purpose Drive Cult. How about telling the writers during the assembly that they are hallucinating liars?

It is NOT the truth that the WOUNDED caused their own wound: how can about a hundred be the GUILTY PARTY and slandering liars?

The world is just too filled with PRAYERFUL BRINKMANSHIP to believe the latter day denial that they said anything against baptism and in favor of instrumental music. Lynn Anderson claims that you BACK OFF and teach the old church of Christ dogma and plan to lung ahead when everyone goes to sleep again. Everyone needs proof. It is part of his SHEPHERDING or cross roads scheme.

Ken Sublett
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December 15th, 2003, 1:23 pm #29

Jay Guin Partial reviews.

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Tainted by the Promise Keeper's cult, the Purpose Driven Cult, the Spiritist cult of Max Lucado, the Jubilee Cult of Rubel Shelly and any scam with "promises," the Hohenwald church has done a great leap forward from almost 350 as an average to probably less than 200 now with daily defections.

Major symptom is an ACU product which promotes FEMINIST HERMENEUTICS.

The ACU Agenda: Train PROPHETIC ROLES, CHANELLERS and FACILITATORS the method of subverting the 'hierarchial" views of JESUS and Paul. the end-time subversion is the beginninng-time version which is "FEMINIST hermeneutics stands over against patriarchal hermeneutics" its goal achieved "by small, often unnoticed acts of SUBVERSION. Numerous such incremental changes, like EROSION, will eventually bring down the FORTRESS " ( WOMEN IN THE CHURCH: Reclaiming the Ideal p. 32).

The symptoms from the Masculine Journey is the Feminists and effeminate turn away from the WORD including BAPTISM and the turn to singing silly, erotic praise songs, which in history was for little JEHOVAH to sing up praises to Sophia and mother ZOE to elevate himself up to the seventh, yet inferior, heaven.

It is following the same Madison plan where you get into a charismatic spasm and can't quit shooting yourself in the foot. The people were not fooled but have lived in a decade of gut-grinding sowing of discord.

At the root is Biblical illiteracy.

K. Sublett
I have compiled some of the changes which fit our local church. It is posted here:

http://www.piney.com/Hohenwald.Letter.html

I have listed some specific questions including:

Should we fellowship denominational bodies at the painful cost of being disfellowshipped or shunned by other main line Churches of Christ near and far?

Remember, ask specific questions and expect specific answers. example: Do you believe that baptism is essential for salvation? The answer should be yes or no. The answer should not be "Yes I believe in baptism". The religious world believes "in" baptism but not everyone believes that baptism is essential for salvation even though the bible is very clear on the subject.

Don't be misled by CODE WORDS of the change agents: they may say, yes we believe that baptism is necessary for salvation--but!

Harold Sublett
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December 15th, 2003, 7:26 pm #30

Jay Guin Partial reviews.

http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Reviews.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.The.Promi ... pirit.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.What.is.A ... skins.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Instrumen ... ament.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.New.Wines ... sions.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Church.of ... .Born.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.1.Corinthians.10.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.The.Fork.in.The.Road.html
http://www.piney.com/Jay.Guin.Dancing.in.Worship.html
http://www.piney.com/New.Wineskins.Inst ... .Guin.html





Tainted by the Promise Keeper's cult, the Purpose Driven Cult, the Spiritist cult of Max Lucado, the Jubilee Cult of Rubel Shelly and any scam with "promises," the Hohenwald church has done a great leap forward from almost 350 as an average to probably less than 200 now with daily defections.

Major symptom is an ACU product which promotes FEMINIST HERMENEUTICS.

The ACU Agenda: Train PROPHETIC ROLES, CHANELLERS and FACILITATORS the method of subverting the 'hierarchial" views of JESUS and Paul. the end-time subversion is the beginninng-time version which is "FEMINIST hermeneutics stands over against patriarchal hermeneutics" its goal achieved "by small, often unnoticed acts of SUBVERSION. Numerous such incremental changes, like EROSION, will eventually bring down the FORTRESS " ( WOMEN IN THE CHURCH: Reclaiming the Ideal p. 32).

The symptoms from the Masculine Journey is the Feminists and effeminate turn away from the WORD including BAPTISM and the turn to singing silly, erotic praise songs, which in history was for little JEHOVAH to sing up praises to Sophia and mother ZOE to elevate himself up to the seventh, yet inferior, heaven.

It is following the same Madison plan where you get into a charismatic spasm and can't quit shooting yourself in the foot. The people were not fooled but have lived in a decade of gut-grinding sowing of discord.

At the root is Biblical illiteracy.

K. Sublett
As usual the BLEEDING lambs tried to attack the CLAWS of the wolves and it's all their fault. Haven't we heard that so often?

I have posted a page which will compare the rationale of the leadership to the Bible. As usual, those being driven away are LEGALISTS, JUDGMENTAL AND DENY THE SOVEREIGNTY of God who, like Calvinists, saves and condemns. Therefore, you cannot rest on the DIRECT COMMANDS of Jesus because God MIGHT exercise discretion and save someone in another way. That's ok, but God is God and we are not so let's GOD exercise HIS sovereignty and not get into PLAYING GOD to fellowship those Jesus identifes as treacherous and infidels.

This in an ongoing project.

http://www.piney.com/Hohenwald.Church.html

It absolutely fits the pattern of elders who USURP the authority of those who "elected them" while the rest were peer-elected. In the honest world we don't give board members owners of the corporation. But they have been well trained.

Ken Sublett
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