HISTORIC views of the Trinity: Frank Jamerson Blasphemy of Holy Spirit

HISTORIC views of the Trinity: Frank Jamerson Blasphemy of Holy Spirit

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February 21st, 2013, 3:50 am #1

Frank Jamerson on Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was offered as the non-institutional view of God as THREE PERSONS. He disputed saying that the NAME of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ but Scripture says that the another or changed Jesus Christ IS The Name of the Holy Spirit or MIND of Christ as in 1 corinthians 2

http://www.piney.com/Frank.Jamerson.Bla ... pirit.html

Maybe we should unload the "new minister" thread although he/they undoubtedly think that the Spirit OF Christ is another POST-MODERN, POST-CHRISTIAN clear channel directly from God.

Men like C. Leonard Allen thinks that now that the MODERN views have been trashed (your godly ancestors and preachers before apostasy) we can look BACKWARD and understand God by looking at history.

http://www.piney.com/Trinity.Leonard.Allen.html

I don't consider any of these Bible Scholars or even Disciples because they don't believe the Word and therefore cannot understand it.

While Paul Tillich is not an authority, he does know when the neo-trinitarianism (ACU, DLC, Peppperdine) was spawned.

"There is much gnostic Marcionism in them, that is, a dualistic blasphemy of the Creator God. They put the Savior God in such opposition to the Creator God that, although they never fall into any real heresy, they implicitly blaspheme the divine creation by identifying it with the sinful state of reality.

Against this tendency Irenaeus said that God is one; there is no duality in him.
---Law and gospel,
---creation and salvation,
---are derived from the same God."
---(Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, p. 42)

"This God is never called a person. The word person was never applied to God in the Middle ages. The reason for this is that the three members of the trinity were called personae (faces or countenances): The Father is persona, the Son is persona, and the Spirit is persona. Persona here means a special characteristic of the divine ground, expressing itself in an independent hypostasis.

"Thus, we can say that it was the nineteenth century which made God into a person, with the result that the greatness of the classical idea of God was destroyed by this way of speaking... but to speak of God as a person would have been heretical for the Middle Ages; it would have been to them a Unitarian heresy, because it would have conflicted with the statement that God has three personae, three expressions of his being. (Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, p. 190)
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February 21st, 2013, 4:05 am #2

Thomas Campbell

http://www.piney.com/HsACTrin.html

Tertullian was the second to use the word TRIAS. There is no Biblical nor historical evidence to support the TRINITY which was infiltrated into Church of Christ Schools when avowed trinitarians were hired. H. Leo Boles invented a TRITHEISTIC or polytheistic view at DLC and it is still the foundation upon which preachers out of LU are built or dismantled.

All of the restoration scholars with Presbyterian roots as opposed to the Christian Churches out of the Methodists or Anglican or Catholic roots.




It IS a SALVATION ISSUE especially if you are on the DOLE of a Daughter Church which by definition means the Mother Harlot.

Besides, my research shows that those who latch onto the trinity view with Father-Son outdated by SPIRIT whom they can call down to LAND on the Musical Praise Teams. Whatever comes into their imagination--which God says is only evil continually--is the SPIRIT commanding them, for instance, to RESTORE the Worship of the STARRY host. The device of beginning as a SABBATH worship proves that it is of Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon the SUN God worshipped on SATURN'S DAY. The Muses are in Revelation the LOCUSTS unleashed to separate those with different MARKS. They are pretty good at cause up to half of the owners to flee WITHOUT LOOKING BACK: that's a good sign.
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February 21st, 2013, 4:33 am #3

Frank Jamerson on Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was offered as the non-institutional view of God as THREE PERSONS. He disputed saying that the NAME of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ but Scripture says that the another or changed Jesus Christ IS The Name of the Holy Spirit or MIND of Christ as in 1 corinthians 2

http://www.piney.com/Frank.Jamerson.Bla ... pirit.html

Maybe we should unload the "new minister" thread although he/they undoubtedly think that the Spirit OF Christ is another POST-MODERN, POST-CHRISTIAN clear channel directly from God.

Men like C. Leonard Allen thinks that now that the MODERN views have been trashed (your godly ancestors and preachers before apostasy) we can look BACKWARD and understand God by looking at history.

http://www.piney.com/Trinity.Leonard.Allen.html

I don't consider any of these Bible Scholars or even Disciples because they don't believe the Word and therefore cannot understand it.

While Paul Tillich is not an authority, he does know when the neo-trinitarianism (ACU, DLC, Peppperdine) was spawned.

"There is much gnostic Marcionism in them, that is, a dualistic blasphemy of the Creator God. They put the Savior God in such opposition to the Creator God that, although they never fall into any real heresy, they implicitly blaspheme the divine creation by identifying it with the sinful state of reality.

Against this tendency Irenaeus said that God is one; there is no duality in him.
---Law and gospel,
---creation and salvation,
---are derived from the same God."
---(Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, p. 42)

"This God is never called a person. The word person was never applied to God in the Middle ages. The reason for this is that the three members of the trinity were called personae (faces or countenances): The Father is persona, the Son is persona, and the Spirit is persona. Persona here means a special characteristic of the divine ground, expressing itself in an independent hypostasis.

"Thus, we can say that it was the nineteenth century which made God into a person, with the result that the greatness of the classical idea of God was destroyed by this way of speaking... but to speak of God as a person would have been heretical for the Middle Ages; it would have been to them a Unitarian heresy, because it would have conflicted with the statement that God has three personae, three expressions of his being. (Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, p. 190)
All this extra dialogue, when Jesus simply described the Holy Spirit as the Comforter and the Spirit of truth. That should suffice.
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February 21st, 2013, 3:51 pm #4

Thomas Campbell

http://www.piney.com/HsACTrin.html

Tertullian was the second to use the word TRIAS. There is no Biblical nor historical evidence to support the TRINITY which was infiltrated into Church of Christ Schools when avowed trinitarians were hired. H. Leo Boles invented a TRITHEISTIC or polytheistic view at DLC and it is still the foundation upon which preachers out of LU are built or dismantled.

All of the restoration scholars with Presbyterian roots as opposed to the Christian Churches out of the Methodists or Anglican or Catholic roots.




It IS a SALVATION ISSUE especially if you are on the DOLE of a Daughter Church which by definition means the Mother Harlot.

Besides, my research shows that those who latch onto the trinity view with Father-Son outdated by SPIRIT whom they can call down to LAND on the Musical Praise Teams. Whatever comes into their imagination--which God says is only evil continually--is the SPIRIT commanding them, for instance, to RESTORE the Worship of the STARRY host. The device of beginning as a SABBATH worship proves that it is of Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon the SUN God worshipped on SATURN'S DAY. The Muses are in Revelation the LOCUSTS unleashed to separate those with different MARKS. They are pretty good at cause up to half of the owners to flee WITHOUT LOOKING BACK: that's a good sign.
Which name would Jesus have you leave out?


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Jesus Christ



Matthew 28:18-20

American Standard Version (ASV)


18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
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February 21st, 2013, 4:31 pm #5

Frank Jamerson on Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was offered as the non-institutional view of God as THREE PERSONS. He disputed saying that the NAME of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ but Scripture says that the another or changed Jesus Christ IS The Name of the Holy Spirit or MIND of Christ as in 1 corinthians 2

http://www.piney.com/Frank.Jamerson.Bla ... pirit.html

Maybe we should unload the "new minister" thread although he/they undoubtedly think that the Spirit OF Christ is another POST-MODERN, POST-CHRISTIAN clear channel directly from God.

Men like C. Leonard Allen thinks that now that the MODERN views have been trashed (your godly ancestors and preachers before apostasy) we can look BACKWARD and understand God by looking at history.

http://www.piney.com/Trinity.Leonard.Allen.html

I don't consider any of these Bible Scholars or even Disciples because they don't believe the Word and therefore cannot understand it.

While Paul Tillich is not an authority, he does know when the neo-trinitarianism (ACU, DLC, Peppperdine) was spawned.

"There is much gnostic Marcionism in them, that is, a dualistic blasphemy of the Creator God. They put the Savior God in such opposition to the Creator God that, although they never fall into any real heresy, they implicitly blaspheme the divine creation by identifying it with the sinful state of reality.

Against this tendency Irenaeus said that God is one; there is no duality in him.
---Law and gospel,
---creation and salvation,
---are derived from the same God."
---(Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, p. 42)

"This God is never called a person. The word person was never applied to God in the Middle ages. The reason for this is that the three members of the trinity were called personae (faces or countenances): The Father is persona, the Son is persona, and the Spirit is persona. Persona here means a special characteristic of the divine ground, expressing itself in an independent hypostasis.

"Thus, we can say that it was the nineteenth century which made God into a person, with the result that the greatness of the classical idea of God was destroyed by this way of speaking... but to speak of God as a person would have been heretical for the Middle Ages; it would have been to them a Unitarian heresy, because it would have conflicted with the statement that God has three personae, three expressions of his being. (Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, p. 190)
Father, Son and Spirit are not names. God put ALL of the authority of the always- pagan FAMILIES of God into the man Jesus whom God MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ. Remember that John wanted to SEE the father as another "people." Notice that Peter and ALL of the Bible understands that name or FULL AUTHORITY (there is no other name). When Catholics baptized in THREE NAMES they logically baptized or sprinkled THREE TIMES. When people are mentally laded with loud singing of human compositions and spend their lives listening to sermons which DENIES Christ's full authority to speak for Himself, people lose the power to read the message hidden in clear view.

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February 21st, 2013, 5:04 pm #6

Frank Jamerson on Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was offered as the non-institutional view of God as THREE PERSONS. He disputed saying that the NAME of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ but Scripture says that the another or changed Jesus Christ IS The Name of the Holy Spirit or MIND of Christ as in 1 corinthians 2

http://www.piney.com/Frank.Jamerson.Bla ... pirit.html

Maybe we should unload the "new minister" thread although he/they undoubtedly think that the Spirit OF Christ is another POST-MODERN, POST-CHRISTIAN clear channel directly from God.

Men like C. Leonard Allen thinks that now that the MODERN views have been trashed (your godly ancestors and preachers before apostasy) we can look BACKWARD and understand God by looking at history.

http://www.piney.com/Trinity.Leonard.Allen.html

I don't consider any of these Bible Scholars or even Disciples because they don't believe the Word and therefore cannot understand it.

While Paul Tillich is not an authority, he does know when the neo-trinitarianism (ACU, DLC, Peppperdine) was spawned.

"There is much gnostic Marcionism in them, that is, a dualistic blasphemy of the Creator God. They put the Savior God in such opposition to the Creator God that, although they never fall into any real heresy, they implicitly blaspheme the divine creation by identifying it with the sinful state of reality.

Against this tendency Irenaeus said that God is one; there is no duality in him.
---Law and gospel,
---creation and salvation,
---are derived from the same God."
---(Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, p. 42)

"This God is never called a person. The word person was never applied to God in the Middle ages. The reason for this is that the three members of the trinity were called personae (faces or countenances): The Father is persona, the Son is persona, and the Spirit is persona. Persona here means a special characteristic of the divine ground, expressing itself in an independent hypostasis.

"Thus, we can say that it was the nineteenth century which made God into a person, with the result that the greatness of the classical idea of God was destroyed by this way of speaking... but to speak of God as a person would have been heretical for the Middle Ages; it would have been to them a Unitarian heresy, because it would have conflicted with the statement that God has three personae, three expressions of his being. (Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, p. 190)
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February 21st, 2013, 10:50 pm #7

Father, Son and Spirit are not names. God put ALL of the authority of the always- pagan FAMILIES of God into the man Jesus whom God MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ. Remember that John wanted to SEE the father as another "people." Notice that Peter and ALL of the Bible understands that name or FULL AUTHORITY (there is no other name). When Catholics baptized in THREE NAMES they logically baptized or sprinkled THREE TIMES. When people are mentally laded with loud singing of human compositions and spend their lives listening to sermons which DENIES Christ's full authority to speak for Himself, people lose the power to read the message hidden in clear view.

Ken said: Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not names.

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Maybe this works for Ken?

Matthew 28:18-20 (Ken's version)


18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into "NO NAMES":

20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
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February 21st, 2013, 11:21 pm #8

Frank Jamerson on Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was offered as the non-institutional view of God as THREE PERSONS. He disputed saying that the NAME of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ but Scripture says that the another or changed Jesus Christ IS The Name of the Holy Spirit or MIND of Christ as in 1 corinthians 2

http://www.piney.com/Frank.Jamerson.Bla ... pirit.html

Maybe we should unload the "new minister" thread although he/they undoubtedly think that the Spirit OF Christ is another POST-MODERN, POST-CHRISTIAN clear channel directly from God.

Men like C. Leonard Allen thinks that now that the MODERN views have been trashed (your godly ancestors and preachers before apostasy) we can look BACKWARD and understand God by looking at history.

http://www.piney.com/Trinity.Leonard.Allen.html

I don't consider any of these Bible Scholars or even Disciples because they don't believe the Word and therefore cannot understand it.

While Paul Tillich is not an authority, he does know when the neo-trinitarianism (ACU, DLC, Peppperdine) was spawned.

"There is much gnostic Marcionism in them, that is, a dualistic blasphemy of the Creator God. They put the Savior God in such opposition to the Creator God that, although they never fall into any real heresy, they implicitly blaspheme the divine creation by identifying it with the sinful state of reality.

Against this tendency Irenaeus said that God is one; there is no duality in him.
---Law and gospel,
---creation and salvation,
---are derived from the same God."
---(Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, p. 42)

"This God is never called a person. The word person was never applied to God in the Middle ages. The reason for this is that the three members of the trinity were called personae (faces or countenances): The Father is persona, the Son is persona, and the Spirit is persona. Persona here means a special characteristic of the divine ground, expressing itself in an independent hypostasis.

"Thus, we can say that it was the nineteenth century which made God into a person, with the result that the greatness of the classical idea of God was destroyed by this way of speaking... but to speak of God as a person would have been heretical for the Middle Ages; it would have been to them a Unitarian heresy, because it would have conflicted with the statement that God has three personae, three expressions of his being. (Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, p. 190)
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February 22nd, 2013, 3:18 am #9

Ken said: Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not names.

+++++++++++++++

Maybe this works for Ken?

Matthew 28:18-20 (Ken's version)


18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into "NO NAMES":

20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Ken is correct. Those are not NAMES [plural].

"In the NAME of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost" is SINGULAR -- one name only -- as I recall, the only time that SINGULAR NAME is mentioned in the Bible. The shorter NAME for that is simply "the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."

Let me count the number of times "the name of the Lord" or "the name of Jesus Christ" is mentioned in the New Testament:

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 ... 20,21,22 ... (OK, too numerous times to count). Just see for yourself: do a search on the expression "name of" and count the number of occurrences for me. And we'll record it here.[/color]
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February 22nd, 2013, 3:35 am #10

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Acts 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved

That is why salvation at baptism is not in the name of THREE PERSONS (people) but in the name (singular) of Jesus Christ.

The same people who have A spirit tell them that when God abandoned Israel to worship the starry host this NOW is God's command for Instrumental praise. That is clearly blasphemy and it is almost always accompanied by removing CHRIST from their public confession. That's what Jesus the Holy Spirit does when He visits for the last time and removes the LAMPS of spiritual knowledge (Rev 18)

I don't think you can even joke about that. Rubel Shelly had a joke where the Father God and the Spirit God tricked the dumber Son God into dying in their place.





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