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Serious, you want us to believe statements by Waddey (generally a good scholar) and then STOP teaching what we believe to be the truth.Ken, be sure to "keep your powder dry". You never know when you will need to condemn another fellow Christian. Good day.
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Yes, I did. But only in discussing this particular subject matter WITH YOU -- which is futile to you but which I consider is of interest to others who believe there is something to learn.I thought you wanted this endless debate about the Godhead to be over. But apparently you don't. Somehow, you feel a ... need ... to continue.
I did a little more checking today: Still cannot find any exception to the pattern that people look through a topical Bible for every mention of "spirit." Then, they put the isolated proof-text in order to prove that a Holy Spirit Person does what all Scripture says that God does through assigned people through whom He POURS FOURTH or SHED the Holy Spirit. Poured in connection with the Bible can only have to do with Jesus Christ in His changed office as Holy (wholly) Spirit pouring forth His Words which He says ARE Spirit and Life. John 6:63Frank Jamerson on Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was offered as the non-institutional view of God as THREE PERSONS. He disputed saying that the NAME of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ but Scripture says that the another or changed Jesus Christ IS The Name of the Holy Spirit or MIND of Christ as in 1 corinthians 2
http://www.piney.com/Frank.Jamerson.Bla ... pirit.html
Maybe we should unload the "new minister" thread although he/they undoubtedly think that the Spirit OF Christ is another POST-MODERN, POST-CHRISTIAN clear channel directly from God.
Men like C. Leonard Allen thinks that now that the MODERN views have been trashed (your godly ancestors and preachers before apostasy) we can look BACKWARD and understand God by looking at history.
I don't consider any of these Bible Scholars or even Disciples because they don't believe the Word and therefore cannot understand it.
While Paul Tillich is not an authority, he does know when the neo-trinitarianism (ACU, DLC, Peppperdine) was spawned.
"There is much gnostic Marcionism in them, that is, a dualistic blasphemy of the Creator God. They put the Savior God in such opposition to the Creator God that, although they never fall into any real heresy, they implicitly blaspheme the divine creation by identifying it with the sinful state of reality.
Against this tendency Irenaeus said that God is one; there is no duality in him.
---Law and gospel,
---creation and salvation,
---are derived from the same God."
---(Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, p. 42)
"This God is never called a person. The word person was never applied to God in the Middle ages. The reason for this is that the three members of the trinity were called personae (faces or countenances): The Father is persona, the Son is persona, and the Spirit is persona. Persona here means a special characteristic of the divine ground, expressing itself in an independent hypostasis.
"Thus, we can say that it was the nineteenth century which made God into a person, with the result that the greatness of the classical idea of God was destroyed by this way of speaking... but to speak of God as a person would have been heretical for the Middle Ages; it would have been to them a Unitarian heresy, because it would have conflicted with the statement that God has three personae, three expressions of his being. (Tillich, Paul, A History of Christian Thought, p. 190)
Since it's your pulpit we should be able to have the ushers remove those who go around in circles and blaspheme.[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Yes, I did. But only in discussing this particular subject matter WITH YOU -- which is futile to you but which I consider is of interest to others who believe there is something to learn.
In fact, I'm planning on creating a thread on the Godhead ... considering the limited time I have. When I do that, I'm going to kindly ask you not to participate in it. I'll be discussing it with others.[/color]
I am dismayed by this thread.Serious, you want us to believe statements by Waddey (generally a good scholar) and then STOP teaching what we believe to be the truth.
Serious, in spite of the masses of information which defines the meaning of Father, Spirit and Son as opposed to all pagans and ancient trinitiarians as the MOTHER of a DAUGHTER, MY EXPERIENCES are that preachers gleefully ignore the 99 percent. Spirit is equated to Wisdom in proverbs and SHE is a female SUPERIOR to the LOGOS.
FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S INFORMATION I ALSO QUOTE THE HALF-TRUTH.
We know that the Spirit strengthens the Christian with power in the inward man (Eph. 3:16)
He means A Spirit Person or PEOPLE: no historic Scholar used our word PERSON but PERSONA of face or mask.
Paul never speaks in isolated verses, and he most often uses forms of parallelism. For instance, I have removed the upper case because there is no such distinction in the Bible.
Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
In the beginning the Spirit which filled Jesus was Christ the Rock etc.
1Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Ephesians 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold WISDOM of God,
Historic trinitarians insist that the ONE GOD always had His Word and His Wisdom with Him: why would anyone want to chop the Spirit OFF God off God and make IT another people?
Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory,
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....to be strengthened with might
.....by his spirit in the inner man;
.....[mind or spirit: not in the carnal body]
Which is parallell and which MEANS:
.....That Christ may dwell in your hearts<b></b> BY faith;
.....THAT ye, being rooted and grounded in love, Ephesians 3:17
Faith comes by hearing the Word of God and not by direct operation of a CUT OFF Spirit person. As an assigned Agent after His Glorification Jesus the Righteous is the "another Comforter" or Holy Spirit.
Preachers should learn how to gracefully defend their position especially if they are getting paid to spread them around. A disciple INSISTS on hearing all of the truth. Since this is our free pulpit I am sure that you would understand that you should ask us to stop teaching what we believe contrary to the invention of LU in 1938 as a deviation from recorded scholarship.</font>
[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]I'd say: blame it on the Trinity creed. The Godhead is just fine until it is misrepresented by the RCC/papacy/Nicene Creed. Protestantism is no help by propagating the pope's invention.I am dismayed by this thread.
The term "Godhead" is found three times in the King James Version: Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9. Three different Greek words are used, but each one in some way references that quality which makes God God. None of them mean, or imply, trinity. In Jacobean English, when the suffix head was applied, it meant the quality of or the nature of. Such as maidenhead to refer to the quality or state of being a maiden: a virgin.
Quoted from the NAS makes this clearer. I think maybe the ESV does even better.
Acts 17:29 Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Colossians 1:(8) See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. (9) For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, (10) and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority...
God makes his power manifest in divers ways; the man Jesus having been one way, and the Holy Spirit of God being one way. In the Bible, there is not any polytheistic trinity, no Godhead. Im o.k. with Waddeys use of the sacred three, but Godhead is a misinterpretation.