HILLCREST CHURCH OF CHRIST,ABILENE,TX.,USA

Cathy
Cathy

November 15th, 2002, 5:15 am #21

hmm... gossip has always been a seed satan plants. It happens when a Brother, or Sister, begins giving his version of what happened, based on "educated guesses". It happens when a person begins assigning motives to the leaders God has placed in his life...motives based not on faith in God, but on doubt in one's self..and others.

Change is difficult. Ever wonder why the Hebrews began complaining so shortly after they were freed from the slavery of the Egyptians....change is difficult.

I grew up in Abilene. Attended Baker Heights CoC until the hypocrisy and insanity of small minded, immature spirituality drove my family away. We looked at many churches (all CoC, of course). We settled on Highland CoC. Now...before you role your eyes, Lynn Anderson was preaching then. And never a more conservative group of Elders were there in the CoC. But something different was happening then...Lynn Anderson was doing something new. He was worshipping God, not the Church of Christ. He was learning and teaching from the entire Bible..not just learning and teaching the Church of Christ party line. And the Elders at that time, they began to learn to do something they had never really learned to do before; trust God.

Until that time, they thought they had been trusting God; but they came to see that what they had been doing was trusting the traditions of the Church of Christ, and saying God enough times to make themselves feel justified. And they used the scripture they needed to keep all their traditional Church of Christ ducks all lined up.

But with Lynn Anderson, they had a new model; a genuine, full faith Christian; born and raised Church of Christ, and committed to its heritage and body, but still.... and a full faith Christian. They saw a new way to read the Bible... not to pull out scripture and post it next to a stand...but to read it, in big parts; find the stories. They learned to let the Bible change them into 'new creatures', instead of using verses in it like sticks, to prop up the old person.

I haven't attended at Highland in almost thirty years. My parents still do. They have been hard set by many of the changes they have seen. But they learned a long time ago, when Lynn Anderson was there, that it was God they were to trust; it was His Word they were to seek. So they have managed the changes, and believe it or not, they have found their faith, and their lives enriched by it. You see, God has a plan for us all; and it rarely matches ours. When we cling to him, change happens! And it is hard! It often looks strange and scary...even wrong at times. But we cling to him!

What do we learn when we cling to God? We learn that he never changes; that we can depend on Him when our world seems to be lost. We can find a good word, when we let him speak through us. We learn that we were focused on the wrong things when we worried, and that when we focused on Him, everything worked out fine.

I dont know what will happen at Hillcrest. I do know what wont happen; God wont abandone anyone who clings to him; and how will you know who is clinging to him? well...they wont be gossiping, that's for sure..

Peace, brother, peace.
Several years ago, when I first saw Lynn Anderson in action at Highland Church, the closest thing thing it reminded me of was "TV evangelism". Anderson even had a following like a TV preacher. Do we follow Jesus, or we are just sub-followers who are designated to follow some super discipline, who is an elite being with some special knowledge, special teaching, special authority, or special spirituality that we don't have? Wasn't this one of the errors of Gnosticism? Doesn't Gnosticism mean "secret" or "special" knowledge? After Anderson, then came the money. Just a few years ago, the elders at Highland just sat back when Herald of Truth took advantage of a sick, old lady. The Herald Of Truth got her to sign over her considerable money and financial assets and in exchange, promised to act as her guardian and to care for her for the rest of her life. Then Herald of Truth abandoned her. This made national news when reporters showed the deplorable, filthy conditions she was living in, with no one taking care of her, and no one seeing about her. She was living in terrible poverty, because she no longer had any money to care for herself. A relative got involved, and asked Herald of Truth to return the elderly lady's money, since they had not abided by their legal agreement to care for her. Herald of Truth refused, and denied that they had any responsibility for her. It went to court, the elderly lady got her money back, and the reputation of the whole Church of Christ suffered because of it, not just Herald of Truth and the Highland church and ACU. The elders of Highland were in charge of overseeing the Herald of Truth, and they let this happen. Is this how the Lord "works" in the congregations to spread his WORD? NO. Is this the result of His Holy Spirit? NO. Wasn't this the true result of all that super-spirituality Highland, Herald of Truth, and Anderson were supposed to have? Didn't Highland and Herald of Truth eventually show their true stripes? Peace, brother, peace? Jesus didn't say we would know them by their fine words or hype, He said we would know them by their Fruits (RESULTS of their work). And it is the change agents who end up breaking up congregations when they do their deeds, congregations that were formerly stable and reasonably "peaceful". Change agents break down congregations and introduce things that cause conflicts, divisions, and arguments that didn't exist before. Doesn't this alone tell you who they are, and what is behind it, let alone the content of their teaching? It is time that we look at the results, when change agents take over. Remember that we are living in the age of advertising. AND I wouldn't take up ACU's offer to provide on-campus housing for the elderly to live out their retirement years in exchange for their money. The elderly might find that they gave ACU their money and didn't get much in return.
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Joe McKnight
Joe McKnight

November 24th, 2002, 2:15 pm #22

Hello Ken,

I can only say it's happening in New Jersey too.(see my addition to the "more churches" about Bethel Baptist in Cherry Hill, NJ for more info).I will say I leafed through the "Experiencing God" book in the lobby of our church (instead of listening to the service, which lacks the meat of the Word these days since our poor deceived pastor returned from Saddleback a year ago).The book is very subtle in that it denied the knowledge of God through His written Word, and instead tries to substitute "experiences" as though THEY were more trustworthy! We all know from Genesis that "the imagination of man is only evil continously, so while these deluded brethren will experience SOMETHING, the source of it will be any thing but holy! Not to mention the COVENANT at the end of the book.Not good at all!
I was hard pressed to leave - when the pastor came back from being Saddleback - indoctrinated, by his second "sermon", I was extremely upset with the turn his speach took. He started using words like "process", and "self esteem", and generally sounded like he was going to start a 12 step program to Christ.I wrote him a VERY scathing (un-Christian in tone) letter accusing him of being under a satanic influence.Little did I know I was right! It was mean in tone, and I later apologized and he accepted so I stayed.He then went back to Biblical exposition, and things looked better.But after about a year, stuff started to change again - surveys, less Biblical teaching (and they advocate the NIV, which is an abomination anyway), and finally the throwing out of some very distinguished members (see articles on dialectical materialism - it's exactly what is happening, but I'm not sure even the ones doing it understand what they are really getting into)I STILL didn't get it.But after I heard the Christmas music arrangements (a lot of rock beats, which I refuse to perform - I was a first soprano and soloist, which is another problem in the making), I knew I would have to do something.I asked God for an answer as to what was really going on, and He lead me in some amazing ways to the truth, and then to this website.
There is nothing you can do at your church but leave it.Be reviled of men and rejoice, for your reward will be great in heaven!
The Lord led us the very next weekend to a wonderful church where they know of this evil and avoid it totally.They also preach only from the KJV.They are out there - find one.In fact, ask Him to find one for you! And then do what this Jew who is in love with Jesus did - GET OUT!
"Come out of her, my people, lest ye be partakers of her plagues".
He isn't kidding.He holds us resposible to KNOW all the things He told us! (that's why "my people" have been in such hot water for so many millenia!).
As you may have guessed, I care very little about peer pressure or I wouldn't be following Him.So leap into His arms and get out before you miss the Big Event, should it take place in our lifetimes.He only PROMISES the Rapture to the church of Philadelphia.There may be others who get to go, but those who are aware of evil and do not choose to depart from it while there is still time ("while today is still called today") may have to remain.So leave the evil - while today IS still called today!
God bless you in your decision.
In Christ,
Jaymie Rossi
Brother Jaymie:
It is refreshing to read your post, it sound as if we have fought the same battles, just in different places. Welcome aboard. You seem to be carrying some of your Baptist luggage with you about the timing of the "Rapture", but as the Holy Spirit continues to teach you Scripture you see the error and the cost of this Baptist feel good lie.

To God be the Glory
Joe McKnight
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James Hall
James Hall

December 11th, 2002, 3:35 am #23

Since the changes taking place at Hillcrest Church of Christ were being made behind closed doors, all that was available were educated guesses. My educated guesses were not just based on what I saw, they were based on what I was told by credible sources on the inside.

You can call it gossip all you like. It is no different from you making comments about Highland based on what your parents have told you.

The post that you are referring to was originally an email to the Concerned Members at Madison Church of Christ. I believe it was an honest assessment of what was taking place at Hillcrest Church of Christ at the time. I did not state as facts anything that I did not know to be a fact and they were not intimate in nature. The information I relayed was not unverified and was not from uncertain origin (that is the definition of gossip in case you were wondering).

As for the comment on motives of leaders not based on faith in God, I can only add that the "leader" mentioned in my post that aligned himself with the post-moderns was not reaffirmed by God.

Change has nothing to do with the problems we are facing. I work in an industry that changes every day. I am not allergic to change. When changes are made to conform to man and not to God, then I have a problem.

As for Lynn Anderson and the Highland Church of Christ, I'll leave that to God. Lynn Anderson's thoughts are well published and Highland Church of Christ's recent changes are not in keeping with Scripture. Only time will tell.

Prayerfully Onward,

Kevin
I was curious to what I would read on this website. When I first learned that it even exsisted my heart dropped as if some type of new pornagraphy had been offered to man in an attempt to guide him away from God. THAT IS WHAT THIS WEBSITE IS ABOUT! There are people in Abilene, TX and even in your home church that need to hear about the love and saving grace of Jesus Christ. I know this because I live in Abilene and my wife and I are on staff at Hillcrest. I teach the kids at Hillcrest and let me tell you something YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASHAMED. Many of the kids at this congregation are already caught in such a web of Christian hypocrisy and complacency. Do you know how discouraging it is to speak to a group of kids about Christ when most of them have been raised to just be "church goers". I try my best to stay in line with God's will through the guidance of His Word. The one thing I do not do is let PRIDE in myself come in and tell me that I must have things figured out about God than everyone else does. I'm am sorry if I seem harsh, but brother you need to get right, realized that ALL (even you) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and start taking your part in the Great Commision of Christ. If you would like to talk to me you may call the office for my number and I would love to meet with you as a loving Christian brother.
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December 12th, 2002, 2:23 am #24

I don't know about Kevin, but I always get a little nervous when someone tells me they are going to Pray for me and gives me a tongue lashing in public.

Knowing Kevin, I'm sure he has forgiven you.
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Joined: March 13th, 2002, 6:27 am

December 12th, 2002, 8:05 am #25

I was curious to what I would read on this website. When I first learned that it even exsisted my heart dropped as if some type of new pornagraphy had been offered to man in an attempt to guide him away from God. THAT IS WHAT THIS WEBSITE IS ABOUT! There are people in Abilene, TX and even in your home church that need to hear about the love and saving grace of Jesus Christ. I know this because I live in Abilene and my wife and I are on staff at Hillcrest. I teach the kids at Hillcrest and let me tell you something YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASHAMED. Many of the kids at this congregation are already caught in such a web of Christian hypocrisy and complacency. Do you know how discouraging it is to speak to a group of kids about Christ when most of them have been raised to just be "church goers". I try my best to stay in line with God's will through the guidance of His Word. The one thing I do not do is let PRIDE in myself come in and tell me that I must have things figured out about God than everyone else does. I'm am sorry if I seem harsh, but brother you need to get right, realized that ALL (even you) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and start taking your part in the Great Commision of Christ. If you would like to talk to me you may call the office for my number and I would love to meet with you as a loving Christian brother.
James,

I'm thankful that members from Hillcrest are reading this website.

I began praying for the elders and the staff over a year ago when the change agents infiltrated Hillcrest Church of Christ. I pray that they will abandon this manmade scheme to "improve" upon God's plan. I pray that they will be more sensitive to the members' consciences and convictions. I pray that they will stop jumping on the bandwagon of every fad that comes along in the name of "church growth". I pray that they will stop bombarding our youth with "feel good" psychobabble. I pray that they will return to God's Word. I pray that they will FIND God's Word.

This website exists to educate the brotherhood about the changes that are taking place in the church. There is nothing pornographic about it and your implication of such is unacceptable.

I have never claimed to be without sin as you seem to imply in your post and those that know me, know that I am not a prideful person (another implication you make in your post). You, sir, don't even know me, yet you make these sweeping accusations and then offer an invitation to meet me as a "loving Christian brother"? Please accept my humble decline to your invitation.

If you would like further correspondance, you are welcome to post any questions you may have in this forum. I will be glad to answer them.

Prayerfully Onward,

Kevin
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December 13th, 2002, 6:23 am #26

I was curious to what I would read on this website. When I first learned that it even exsisted my heart dropped as if some type of new pornagraphy had been offered to man in an attempt to guide him away from God. THAT IS WHAT THIS WEBSITE IS ABOUT! There are people in Abilene, TX and even in your home church that need to hear about the love and saving grace of Jesus Christ. I know this because I live in Abilene and my wife and I are on staff at Hillcrest. I teach the kids at Hillcrest and let me tell you something YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASHAMED. Many of the kids at this congregation are already caught in such a web of Christian hypocrisy and complacency. Do you know how discouraging it is to speak to a group of kids about Christ when most of them have been raised to just be "church goers". I try my best to stay in line with God's will through the guidance of His Word. The one thing I do not do is let PRIDE in myself come in and tell me that I must have things figured out about God than everyone else does. I'm am sorry if I seem harsh, but brother you need to get right, realized that ALL (even you) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and start taking your part in the Great Commision of Christ. If you would like to talk to me you may call the office for my number and I would love to meet with you as a loving Christian brother.
James,

The church office doesn't have you listed as "on staff".

Kevin
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December 14th, 2002, 5:07 pm #27

I discovered from another source that James Hall is a youth intern. Sorry for the confusion.

Kevin
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Cathy
Cathy

December 15th, 2002, 12:56 am #28

I was curious to what I would read on this website. When I first learned that it even exsisted my heart dropped as if some type of new pornagraphy had been offered to man in an attempt to guide him away from God. THAT IS WHAT THIS WEBSITE IS ABOUT! There are people in Abilene, TX and even in your home church that need to hear about the love and saving grace of Jesus Christ. I know this because I live in Abilene and my wife and I are on staff at Hillcrest. I teach the kids at Hillcrest and let me tell you something YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASHAMED. Many of the kids at this congregation are already caught in such a web of Christian hypocrisy and complacency. Do you know how discouraging it is to speak to a group of kids about Christ when most of them have been raised to just be "church goers". I try my best to stay in line with God's will through the guidance of His Word. The one thing I do not do is let PRIDE in myself come in and tell me that I must have things figured out about God than everyone else does. I'm am sorry if I seem harsh, but brother you need to get right, realized that ALL (even you) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and start taking your part in the Great Commision of Christ. If you would like to talk to me you may call the office for my number and I would love to meet with you as a loving Christian brother.
After calling the church office (the first time they did not know who you or your wife were!) and asking around, I finally found out that you were a youth intern. Part of being an intern is to learn. I hope that I am about to teach you something very important. One should NEVER judge another person or that persons motives. You do not know Kevin. You do not know Kevin's heart. You do not know where Kevin is in his walk with God. You do not know his personal or family situations. If Kevin happened to be a weak (HE IS NOT...THANK GOODNESS!) Christian, he might have taken your letter to heart and been turned away from the church totally. You may be new to Hillcrest (and I am giving you that benefit) and are not aware that things are not always as they appear!
Now to your mention on the youth at Hillcrest...
I have had children in the youth program there. They were raised to be neither complacent nor just church goers. Teenagers go to church and participate where they enjoy the youth minister, the other teens and the programs going on. They do not report to their home congregation (the one that their parents MAKE them go to on Sunday!) every Christian work that they perform. My son quit going to Hillcrest the first Sunday that he moved out of our home. He did quit the youth group during his Sr. year. He saw a group that was being led by someone he did not respect. Teenagers were chosen to be leaders. These were the same teens that were leading very unchristian lives outside of church. The teens certainly knew what was going on...should the leaders not be as informed? More thought should have been taken on who would lead our youth! Oh, yeah, my son has not left the church or felt defeated by the ongoing problems at Hillcrest...he is now a youth and family minister major at ACU and I am not ashamed of him! I believe that is the same major that you have. I will also warn him of the dangers in judging people.
I will also try not to judge you for being so harsh to Kevin and talking ugly about the youth. You are supposed to be there to help with problems...not to be judge the problem. I am sure that in your heart, you were just venting!
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December 15th, 2002, 9:28 pm #29

I don't know about Kevin, but I always get a little nervous when someone tells me they are going to Pray for me and gives me a tongue lashing in public.

Knowing Kevin, I'm sure he has forgiven you.
I was rebuked by one of the elders in a very public forum. Although my name wasn't mentioned, he knew that I knew who he was referring to.

That ex-elder no longer attends Hillcrest.

Mark 6:11

"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."

Prayerfully Onward,

Kevin
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Judging Cathy
Judging Cathy

December 18th, 2002, 4:27 am #30

After calling the church office (the first time they did not know who you or your wife were!) and asking around, I finally found out that you were a youth intern. Part of being an intern is to learn. I hope that I am about to teach you something very important. One should NEVER judge another person or that persons motives. You do not know Kevin. You do not know Kevin's heart. You do not know where Kevin is in his walk with God. You do not know his personal or family situations. If Kevin happened to be a weak (HE IS NOT...THANK GOODNESS!) Christian, he might have taken your letter to heart and been turned away from the church totally. You may be new to Hillcrest (and I am giving you that benefit) and are not aware that things are not always as they appear!
Now to your mention on the youth at Hillcrest...
I have had children in the youth program there. They were raised to be neither complacent nor just church goers. Teenagers go to church and participate where they enjoy the youth minister, the other teens and the programs going on. They do not report to their home congregation (the one that their parents MAKE them go to on Sunday!) every Christian work that they perform. My son quit going to Hillcrest the first Sunday that he moved out of our home. He did quit the youth group during his Sr. year. He saw a group that was being led by someone he did not respect. Teenagers were chosen to be leaders. These were the same teens that were leading very unchristian lives outside of church. The teens certainly knew what was going on...should the leaders not be as informed? More thought should have been taken on who would lead our youth! Oh, yeah, my son has not left the church or felt defeated by the ongoing problems at Hillcrest...he is now a youth and family minister major at ACU and I am not ashamed of him! I believe that is the same major that you have. I will also warn him of the dangers in judging people.
I will also try not to judge you for being so harsh to Kevin and talking ugly about the youth. You are supposed to be there to help with problems...not to be judge the problem. I am sure that in your heart, you were just venting!
Cathy, you are doing the same thing to James as was done to Kevin. You judged the "youth leaders" the same way James judged Kevin. In some circles, they call that hypocrisy....

You don't know James, and he was not being ugly to the youth. I am a youth worker, and what he says is true about YOUTH IN GENERAL which includes the youth of our churches. GET A LIFE and parent your children, not other churches youth interns.

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