Heritage (formerly Midtown) Church of Christ

Heritage (formerly Midtown) Church of Christ

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October 29th, 2002, 12:46 am #1

What is happening at Heritage (formerly Midtown) Church of Christ

Are they traveling down the path of Madison and Richland Hills?
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October 29th, 2002, 1:48 am #2

I don't know what is going on, but things are slowly changing.
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Joined: March 13th, 2003, 4:36 am

March 13th, 2003, 4:36 am #3

I'll give the advice I wish had been given to me. Trust your gut instincts. I have been somewhat uncomfortable for the last 8 years at our current congregation. Things just didn't seem just right and I couldn't put my finger on anything. In the past two weeks, pandora's box has opened and I'm starting to see it all for what it is. I grew up in a very conservative Church of Christ. That was a good thing! Clapping for everything became the norm overnight. I'm still waiting for someone to start clapping for the minister if he has a good sermon. Also, the sermons are "love pat" sermons, as my husband and I refer to them. No one would ever be offended by them. I am ready to be challenged in my Christian walk, even if that means I get my toes stepped on. I can't tell you one particular thing to be on the look out for, but sometimes the change can happen so slowly, that one day you can't figure out why you stayed so long. The announcement in our bulletin about the upcoming Easter drama was the final straw for me this week. Our Elders announced two weeks ago they would be hiring a professional Worship Minister (lights, sound, video,praise teams). This is just all too much for this traditional girl. Just go with your gut and if you can't throw yourself into it 100%, don't be afraid to start finding a place where you can be comfortable, because as I have come to realize, if you can't be comfortable, you can't have your focus where it should be. Keep us posted on how things are going.
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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

March 13th, 2003, 7:42 pm #4

The Sumerians, Babylonians etc., began RECORDING their ancient religion which had existed in other forms RIGHT OFF THE ARK.

God removed Abraham and family from that area to enable him to become a great nation. Rubel Shelly denies the connection between the faithful obedience of Abraham and Paul's connection to Baptism. In reviewing this sermon we have listed the EASTER or ISHTAR connection.

http://www.piney.com/RSAbraham.html

Inanna, Ishtar worship is REPEATED in modern paganism celebrating EASTER. Here is some background to the meaning of EASTER:

http://www.piney.com/His32.html

This page will direct you to more about Inanna or Easter worship.

While the women LAMENTED for Tammuz in one part of the temple, the men were holding the first SUN-RISE services worshiping the sun and "Easter."

The goddess WORSHIPPED as Easter is MARKED by getting the FATHER god drunk and stealing the ME or powers over MALES. The Dove which rested on Jesus refuted ancient Goddess worship in EASTER.

While drunk, Ea the patron god of music is recorded as saying:

"In the name of my power! In the name of my holy shrine!
To my daughter Inanna I shall give Truth!
Descent into the underworld!
Ascent from the underworld!
The art of lovemaking!
The art of kissing the phallus!"

She got powers OVER THE GATES OF HELL,
The Eldership and all skills to make a FEMINIST worship and religion. Important was the POWERS of singing and playing musical instruments.

http://www.piney.com/BabEaGifts.html

Unfortunately, Inanna was the HOLY WHORE and specialized in SOWING DISCORD between peaceable brothers and destroying temples.

Except for personal pleasure and making noise during the slaughtering of thousands of animals in the temple court yard, MUSIC of all forms is said to be given by Satan to the youth to steal the worship due God.

And in all pagan traditions goddess worship (Easter) involved sexuality and perverted sexuality. Easter is a direct repudiation of Jesus Christ who put the emphasis on HIS DEATH which paid for our sins: His resurrection PROVES His power but Jesus wanted His DEATH shown forth but not in RITUAL DRAMA which mocks Jesus.

Musical Drama has only one FATHER and it is not pretty:

http://www.piney.com/MuDrama.html

Imposing music and drama by those who have no such authority deliberately SOWS DISCORD AMONG the original owners to gain unquestioned control to convert the synagogue or school of the Word into a "theater for holy entertainment." In this they fulfill the ancient Babylonian perverted religion warned about by Moses before the Israelites went into Canaan. It also fulfills the end-time Babylon Whore worship of Revelation 18. This means that they are not friends of either Christ, the church or the OWNERS. They have no hesitation, like the Pharisees, to "steal the church houses of widows."

Ken Sublett
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Scott
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March 26th, 2003, 7:06 pm #5

No one care about your babble so keep it to yourself!
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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

March 26th, 2003, 10:45 pm #6

The sibyl or Cybele Oracle as the modern ZOE is the MOTHER OF THE GODS.

She was also the earthly Priestess of the Sumerian Goddess Inanna, holding the keys "Me" of the Holy Tavern and Cult Harlotry--though a Harlot was actually a priestess of the Egyptian Goddess Hathor.

Inanna arose at the time of the death of Gugalanna, The Bull of Heaven, and husband to Ereshkigal, Goddess of the Sumerian underworld.

As goddess of HOLY TAVERN HARLOTRY as Inanna she was changed into Ishtar from whom we get EASTER. She was related to CIRCE from which you get the word CHURCH as you worship GAD from which we get the generic word "God." Our God is Jesus or Joshua or Jehovah- Saved.

Ishtar got Ea, the patron god of music, drunk and stole the "ME" which were the supernatural powers of FEMINIST or EFFEMINATE control of religion. What she stole from Ea is listed here:

http://www.piney.com/BabEaGifts.html

The goddess could be worshipped as both male and female Ishtar, reflecting her dual role of sex and war as well as the evening and morning aspects of the planet. As the women LAMENTED FOR TAMMUZ trying to bring him back through the GATES OF HELL the men bowed to the SUN in the East. Yep, a Babylonian whore SUN RISE SERVICE.

She is LUCIFER or ZOE who puts her feet on the LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH. Among others, she steals the powers of the ELDERSHIP and:

Descent into the underworld!
Ascent from the underworld!
The art of lovemaking!
The art of kissing the phallus!"
He gave me the art of prostitution.

She brought the tigi- and lilis-drums.
She brought the ub-, the meze-, and the ala- Tambourines..."

Unfortunately, EASTER has a darker side: she loved to destroy temples and SOW DISCORD AMONG PEACEFUL BROTHERS.

Remember the "marriage" of ZOE and the NEW WINESKIN gods? Well, SHE is Inanna the Holy Tavern Harlot in history.

Scott's task is to PROVE that this is a lie. If he will he can see find the cast shadow of a speck of dust which associates MUSICAL "rituals" with anything but pagan superstitions.

The UNIVERSAL connection is between MUSIC as "worship" and PERVERTED SEXUALITY.

Musical Teams are the BEAST (Zoe) riding on the Holy Whore or CIRCE: the poisoner with music and incantations. Jesus BUILT an ekklesia or synagogue or school of the Bible. May be time to COME OUT OF HER.


Ken Sublett


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March 30th, 2003, 7:41 pm #7

The Sumerians, Babylonians etc., began RECORDING their ancient religion which had existed in other forms RIGHT OFF THE ARK.

God removed Abraham and family from that area to enable him to become a great nation. Rubel Shelly denies the connection between the faithful obedience of Abraham and Paul's connection to Baptism. In reviewing this sermon we have listed the EASTER or ISHTAR connection.

http://www.piney.com/RSAbraham.html

Inanna, Ishtar worship is REPEATED in modern paganism celebrating EASTER. Here is some background to the meaning of EASTER:

http://www.piney.com/His32.html

This page will direct you to more about Inanna or Easter worship.

While the women LAMENTED for Tammuz in one part of the temple, the men were holding the first SUN-RISE services worshiping the sun and "Easter."

The goddess WORSHIPPED as Easter is MARKED by getting the FATHER god drunk and stealing the ME or powers over MALES. The Dove which rested on Jesus refuted ancient Goddess worship in EASTER.

While drunk, Ea the patron god of music is recorded as saying:

"In the name of my power! In the name of my holy shrine!
To my daughter Inanna I shall give Truth!
Descent into the underworld!
Ascent from the underworld!
The art of lovemaking!
The art of kissing the phallus!"

She got powers OVER THE GATES OF HELL,
The Eldership and all skills to make a FEMINIST worship and religion. Important was the POWERS of singing and playing musical instruments.

http://www.piney.com/BabEaGifts.html

Unfortunately, Inanna was the HOLY WHORE and specialized in SOWING DISCORD between peaceable brothers and destroying temples.

Except for personal pleasure and making noise during the slaughtering of thousands of animals in the temple court yard, MUSIC of all forms is said to be given by Satan to the youth to steal the worship due God.

And in all pagan traditions goddess worship (Easter) involved sexuality and perverted sexuality. Easter is a direct repudiation of Jesus Christ who put the emphasis on HIS DEATH which paid for our sins: His resurrection PROVES His power but Jesus wanted His DEATH shown forth but not in RITUAL DRAMA which mocks Jesus.

Musical Drama has only one FATHER and it is not pretty:

http://www.piney.com/MuDrama.html

Imposing music and drama by those who have no such authority deliberately SOWS DISCORD AMONG the original owners to gain unquestioned control to convert the synagogue or school of the Word into a "theater for holy entertainment." In this they fulfill the ancient Babylonian perverted religion warned about by Moses before the Israelites went into Canaan. It also fulfills the end-time Babylon Whore worship of Revelation 18. This means that they are not friends of either Christ, the church or the OWNERS. They have no hesitation, like the Pharisees, to "steal the church houses of widows."

Ken Sublett
I am against musical instruments
in a worship service, and not happy
with some of the sights & sounds coming
into worship services and church buildings
and I first found this website informative.
it seems almost everyone else besides Kenneth
has abandoned writing. Perhaps because this
Kenneth does go on and on and on
He quotes verses that I am unfamiliar with.
Are these from a book or The BIBLE?
at first it sounds scriptural, then it sounds
like they are from books about Roman or Greek gods

I would love to read comments from other people
that have gone through these changes or are in
the middle of these changes. But Kenneth seems
to overwhelm everything and rattle on so long I
become confused and disinterested. It seems others
also feel this way about his lengthy babblings.
While well meaning and trying to "save us", I think
Kenneth is scaring others off the website
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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

March 31st, 2003, 4:41 am #8

Kay, when you come into the middle of a conversation which has been going on for a couple of years (seems like) you don't get everything repeated.

All of those who believe that they have any Biblical authority have asked questions and gone on to do what they decided to do from the beginning. I don't have ANY interest in saving you from anything but SPIRITUAL ABUSE at the hands of people who peddle CHURCH as "worship center" to replace "the synagogue of Christ" or "school of the Bible." I truly delight in the response I get which frees hard working mothers, widows and welfare recipients from EITHER tithing or the LAW OF GIVING.

I do repeat because a new BATCH pops up quoting some of the 'traditional' background to MUSIC hoping they can EXPLAIN AWAY the loss of more than half of their members taken by those "stealing the church houses of widows." They often believe that by accusing me of RANTING or PORNOGRAPHY they can silence the voice of the Word just as MUSIC was invented by Satan to bleed off worship from God.

I have statistics for my web pages and you could look at them and determine when the IRS monster hits. Nevertheless, people HAVEN'T stopped reading. Why is frightening people with "TITHE OR BE CURSED" and restoring a pagan form of musical performance NOT objectionable and my FREE "gospel" raises the hackles on your neck? Why is taking that TITHE and spending it on MUSICIANS and other PERFORMING ARTS not upsetting you? Would you object if you saw RICH PEOPLE stealing the food from the babies of hard working people? If they didn't stop would you keep warning them? When would the BORDER between warning and RANTING be reached?

I get the REAL MAIL which the moral majority are too frightened to post on open forums. Nothing will get you cast out of the INNER CIRCLE of the Purpose Driven Cult faster than questioning the authority of what was proposed to me as "God's celestial beings.

Now resources: I have posted more BIBLICAL quotations on this forum validating everything I have ever said than you are going to hear (out of context) all year. If I declare (and declare and declare) that there is NO MUSICAL concept or INSTRUMENT in the Bible which does not relate to unspeakable obscenity of all pagan "worship," or telling God "we will not listen to your Word" or declared to have been USED to make angels fall and was with Satan (Lucifer, Zoe) in the garden of eden then YOUR task and that of those who DELIBERATELY SOW DISCORD over "musical performers selling CDs and bookings" is to FIND that shadow of a speck of dust which AUTHORIZES it.

If 100% of the worlds grandest literature repudiates MUSIC as the ultimate MIND CONTROL DEVICE to SILENCE the Spirit of God, then I suppose that I will keep RANTING trying to "seduce" someone to put their NAME to proving that the MUSIC word as "worship" is anything other than trying to STEAL worship due God. THEY steal your church house WITHOUT even claiming authority until challenged. And the evidence must be pretty close to 100% in associating MUSICAL WORSHIP with perverted sexuality. Yes, I have the documented evidence with none disagreeing.

The RANTERS were an early charismatic movement: no one can claim that continuing to COUNTER TEACH the teaching of false doctrine is ranting.

You may not be ready to face the COLD world that being a CHRISTIAN is being a DISCIPLE and that CANNOT be performed by others and YOU WILL GET HURT REAL BAD according to Jesus and Paul. Ekklesia (not church) means CALLED OUT OF THE WORLD and I am telling you that there is a CULT of preachers and bonded PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS CALLING you INTO the world to "become as much like the world as possible to win the world." Sure.

If you have a particluar question my e-mail works and I spend my time and money teaching the GOSPEL of "free at last" from being a watchtower slave to the newly hatched PROFESSIONAL preachers trained in speech and ACTING and music. Fire, away because Paul warned us that Christ is "outside the camp" if we want to find Him.

Others accuse me of RANTING when I quote the Bible so you are in good company.

Aargh! Ranting again. But, REJOICE AND BE GLAD: I did not charge you a THOUSAND BUCKS for it with some MOCKERY and JESTING to make you feel good.

Ken Sublet
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April 1st, 2003, 7:33 pm #9

I am against musical instruments
in a worship service, and not happy
with some of the sights & sounds coming
into worship services and church buildings
and I first found this website informative.
it seems almost everyone else besides Kenneth
has abandoned writing. Perhaps because this
Kenneth does go on and on and on
He quotes verses that I am unfamiliar with.
Are these from a book or The BIBLE?
at first it sounds scriptural, then it sounds
like they are from books about Roman or Greek gods

I would love to read comments from other people
that have gone through these changes or are in
the middle of these changes. But Kenneth seems
to overwhelm everything and rattle on so long I
become confused and disinterested. It seems others
also feel this way about his lengthy babblings.
While well meaning and trying to "save us", I think
Kenneth is scaring others off the website
Hi Kay -

I saw that you were looking for someone who had either experienced this or who was currently experiencing this. Our congregation (I will keep the name anonymous) is going through this "transition" right now. It popped right out of the closet a month ago with an announcement from the Elders and since that announcement we have interviewed a professional worship leader and a pulpit minister the worship leader would work with. This was quite a shock to the majority of the congregation, being unaware this direction was even being considered. We feel like we have been ambushed to say the least. Many of our long-time members are extremely distraught. We also have older members who are very anxious about what this all means and whether they will be able to stay and worship in this environment. We have been told that women will be up on stage along with the men - all with microphones, and that there will be try-outs for the praise team. The Elders have not made a public announcement to the congregation at-large as far as specifics of this plan (cost, how it would all play out in the worship service,etc) which underscores the lack of communication. We were never approached with "this is what we are considering and why - would you be interested in us investigating this further?" or "we are looking for families who would be willing to be an active part in looking into this further." I feel that you need to have the congregation as a whole feeling a part of this, as it will have a huge impact on the entire membership. Our family is planning on starting to visit other congregations as our trust has been sorely damaged.
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Kenneth Sublett
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April 2nd, 2003, 12:03 am #10

Dear (brother/sister) you have just been INFILTRATED and DIVERTED.

If your church has asked for sacrificial giving the PATTERN is to collect as much money as possible from the older members who are the supporters and true OWNERS of the property.

Then, they make a GREAT LEAP FORWARD to divert you from being a church or ekklesia (synagogue or school of the Bible) into being a "Theater for holy entertainment."

Theatron or theatrics, drama, musical performance and even preaching performance is a hostile take over of the same bunch who took over all music and Hollywood.

THEY depend on you remaining ASLEEP until they have crossed over to Satan's side. However, if you are AWAKE you owe it to the other members to warn them that they are PAYING for something they will NOT GET. In the scams of the world it is called BAIT AND SWITCH.

You cannot remotely consider the feelings of the "leaderhip." If they do not know the universal condemnation of music in the Bible and church history then they are TOO IGNORANT to be leaders: especially if they have now decided that IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. They may tell you as elsewhere "get over it."

Or, they are NOT ignorant. And this means that they are TERMINALLY EVIL and working for the wrong team as Paul warned the MANY would always use "eldership" to lead people after THEM and away from CHRIST.

Fact one: there is no TITHING in the Christian assembly or synagogue. The TITHE was to pay for the animal killers and MUSICAL sounders creating HARD BONDAGE and not "worship" to slaughter tens of thousands of types of Lord Jesus Christ. The same musical Levites were prophesied (Psalm 41) to do the SAME THING to Jesus Christ as they accused Him of being BEELZEBUB or the DUNG GOD. It is significant that Jesus cast out the MUSICAL WORSHIP TEAM more or less violently using a word meaning "like dung."

Fact two: there is no LAW OF GIVING. Paul addressed the free will giving by the prosperous ONLY to the DESTITUTE in Judea. Furthermore, he told the Corinthians to collect the money BEFORE he arrived otherwise the pressure of His presence would be like EXTORTION. Even further, he said "This is NOT a command."

Therefore, the new APOSTATE CLERGY has no call on the money of hard working people. And without the CASH their new SLINKING and HIDING will not work.

One of the most arrogant and vilest thing possible--in light of all of the Bible and history--is to EXTORT money and then use it to hire WORSHIP LEADERS. God or Satan is TESTING YOU because Paul warned the Corinthians of those taking money that FOOLS LOVE TO BE FOOLED.

Jesus said that worship is IN SPIRIT. Because he was discussing the PLACE of the Samaritan and Jerusalem temple, the SPIRIT is the human spirit or mind. Furthermore, worship must be IN TRUTH. In the total message of Paul the unique WORSHIP WORD means to give heed to Christ by GIVING HEED to His word. Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs have been composed by The Spirit of Christ. Contrary to the old Law, Paul said that the circumcision now WORSHIPS IN THE SPIRIT.

It is grand theft to let one of their bonded buddies in as STAFF INFECTION to perform worship for you. It would not be any more vile or arrogant if they hired you a SURROGATE Wife or Husband. They have LOST CONNECTION WITH THE HEAD.

The musical Levites were called SOUNDERS. Their service was not "worship" but HARD BONDAGE. All of the singers and musicians were OUTSIDE of the Holy Place which was a type of the church or body of Christ. If a "musical worship team" went into even this CARNAL type of the SPIRITUAL church they would have been executed.

Not even in the MOST VILE pagan temples were the singers or musicians allowed into the holy places. One exception was the Dionysus and Zeus perverted musicians who were part of the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION in the Jerusalem Temple. The same "disciples" of Dionysus PIPED hoping to PERVERT Jesus into the Dionysus song and dance.

I will direct you to information about TITHING which repudiates the death of Jesus Christ and THE LAW OF GIVING which "steals from the poor to give to the rich" and ignores Paul's clear statement: This is not a commandment.

You have EVIL troublers in Zion. Probably the preacher brought along his favorite man-boy: you know the PRESENT persona of professional singers and it all began in Babylon. Don't give them a penny and warn all of your friends. You need to mail all of the members: the elders are the TROUBLE MAKERS and vile sinners and you have a right to AROUSE the people like a TRUE evangelist or herald like Paul Revere.

I am not a prophet but it ALL fits the end time where CIRCE (church) turns into a holy whore and ends up in Revelation 18 going back into Sheol with her musicians and instrumentalists.

E-mail me directly if I can help you. You probably won't turn the tide but the REMNANT will always be a tiny group not ENSLAVED TO THE WATCHTOWER of the gone- crazy church led by recent GRADUATES from once- Christian colleges. LET THE DEAD BURY THE DEAD.

Ken Sublett
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