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January 29th, 2005, 12:54 pm #1

Strange things that I read about on this site are starting here.The changes seem to be very fast.Help! May God destroy us for our apostasy.
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January 29th, 2005, 8:17 pm #2

I looked at your web pages and read some of the "articles." Of course, it was the usual vacuity. That and philosophical "preaching" sets you up just as Amos and Isaiah warned Israel.

There are some MARKS you may want to watch out for related to cults and THE CHURCH GROWTH heresy. These can come on you UNSUSPECTING because increasingly shepherding systems use the Promise Keepers INFILTRATE and DIVERT. Because the system has intentionally put everyone into a COMA, you wake up AFTER the tanks have over run the Polish horse warriors in a blitzkreg.

One link is for CHURCH GROWTH which is HERESY and a denial of the work of God in Christ.

http://www.4churchgrowth.com/

One of our returning guys wrote an article favorable of the Purpose Driven "CULT" and I notice that they have a Purpose driven CULT article on tap. You can plant and water but when you HIRE PROFESSIONALS (Youth, Involvement, Campus) to FORCE the increase you are off the deep end and you will never recover. DON'T GIVE THEM ANY MONEY. Our prodigal split the church and drove off more than a third of the church and the REST are uneasy. You will see "music, baptism diminished, bad mouthing those that FEED them and the heresy that the work of the church is WORSHIP." That, of course gives employment to their bonding buddies known throughout history as SORCERERS (fake) and therefore PARASITES. DON'T FEED THEM.

The next FLASHING RED LIGHT is Joe Beam's Family Dynamics.

http://www.familydynamics.net/

Joe Claims for his book what God claims for HIS book. Joe CHARGES for his. Joe is also featured in the Grace Centered Magazine. There is no exception to the rule that they ridicule non-instrumental churches of Christ and promote the NEW STYLE which was young even when Nimrod used it at the Towers of Babbling.

http://www.piney.com/JoeBeam.html

The next one is Hope Network Ministries

http://hope.faithsite.com/

Lynn Anderson promotes the old Discipling Dilema which is the Shepherding movement of Promise keepers. This is where small groups are discipled and you have to discuss and confess your financial and sexual dealings through the week. If you LUST with the secretary you will be DEALT with.

http://www.piney.com/Anderson-Shepherds.html

This will link you to Max Lucado's DISCIPLING program and Rubel Shelly's similar rhetoric.

You must watch out for the ENTERTAINERS who want to musically "bring you into the presence of God." Because all of the CHANGE PREACHERS can do nothing but Lie (and use Grace to cover up) about MUSIC AS WORSHIP, they will not tell you that there is no exception to the rule that such "performance worship" has always been a sexual thingy and homosexual urges. I can prove it.

There IS no law of SINGING or LAW OF GIVING: so, you have SNIFFED something and you need to try to identify it. Any radical changes are the effort to, as lynn Anderson proposes, DRIVE YOU TO THE BRINK. If they get opposition they will PULL BACK momentarily but give it a try. It took Lynn Anderson about 11 years before he could FORCE singing during the Lord's Supper.

Feel free to e-mail me or post what you are SEEING so we can better tell you what to watch for. Have you had the ZOE GROUP YET?

Ken Sublett
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February 5th, 2005, 12:39 pm #3

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It all started during the lords supper on sunday morning.A screen with pictures like the passion came on and a solo was sung by a woman.This caused a concern and some families even got up and left.I wish the entire group had got up and walked out,but we are to week in the faith.
I also find out we recomend Hope Network,Family Dynamics,and Church center for growth,and we also have home groups.I am so blind to all the bad things.I do know our elders know what is going on here and I fear they would like our local group to charge into false things. I wish Wayne Coats were 50 years younger and standing right in the middle leading us to glory! God bless all of you in battle for the Lords side on this site.
God bless and hold you all up in what is right.


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February 8th, 2005, 5:22 pm #4

I looked at your web pages and read some of the "articles." Of course, it was the usual vacuity. That and philosophical "preaching" sets you up just as Amos and Isaiah warned Israel.

There are some MARKS you may want to watch out for related to cults and THE CHURCH GROWTH heresy. These can come on you UNSUSPECTING because increasingly shepherding systems use the Promise Keepers INFILTRATE and DIVERT. Because the system has intentionally put everyone into a COMA, you wake up AFTER the tanks have over run the Polish horse warriors in a blitzkreg.

One link is for CHURCH GROWTH which is HERESY and a denial of the work of God in Christ.

http://www.4churchgrowth.com/

One of our returning guys wrote an article favorable of the Purpose Driven "CULT" and I notice that they have a Purpose driven CULT article on tap. You can plant and water but when you HIRE PROFESSIONALS (Youth, Involvement, Campus) to FORCE the increase you are off the deep end and you will never recover. DON'T GIVE THEM ANY MONEY. Our prodigal split the church and drove off more than a third of the church and the REST are uneasy. You will see "music, baptism diminished, bad mouthing those that FEED them and the heresy that the work of the church is WORSHIP." That, of course gives employment to their bonding buddies known throughout history as SORCERERS (fake) and therefore PARASITES. DON'T FEED THEM.

The next FLASHING RED LIGHT is Joe Beam's Family Dynamics.

http://www.familydynamics.net/

Joe Claims for his book what God claims for HIS book. Joe CHARGES for his. Joe is also featured in the Grace Centered Magazine. There is no exception to the rule that they ridicule non-instrumental churches of Christ and promote the NEW STYLE which was young even when Nimrod used it at the Towers of Babbling.

http://www.piney.com/JoeBeam.html

The next one is Hope Network Ministries

http://hope.faithsite.com/

Lynn Anderson promotes the old Discipling Dilema which is the Shepherding movement of Promise keepers. This is where small groups are discipled and you have to discuss and confess your financial and sexual dealings through the week. If you LUST with the secretary you will be DEALT with.

http://www.piney.com/Anderson-Shepherds.html

This will link you to Max Lucado's DISCIPLING program and Rubel Shelly's similar rhetoric.

You must watch out for the ENTERTAINERS who want to musically "bring you into the presence of God." Because all of the CHANGE PREACHERS can do nothing but Lie (and use Grace to cover up) about MUSIC AS WORSHIP, they will not tell you that there is no exception to the rule that such "performance worship" has always been a sexual thingy and homosexual urges. I can prove it.

There IS no law of SINGING or LAW OF GIVING: so, you have SNIFFED something and you need to try to identify it. Any radical changes are the effort to, as lynn Anderson proposes, DRIVE YOU TO THE BRINK. If they get opposition they will PULL BACK momentarily but give it a try. It took Lynn Anderson about 11 years before he could FORCE singing during the Lord's Supper.

Feel free to e-mail me or post what you are SEEING so we can better tell you what to watch for. Have you had the ZOE GROUP YET?

Ken Sublett
I take from what you said Ken about "confessing your sins one to another", you are not a fan of the letter of James.
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February 8th, 2005, 6:43 pm #5

Often as not, the member will be required by a signed covenant to participate in so-called "accountability" groups. Here, they will confess all their sins to an accountability leader or partner. Is this Biblical? NO, but the "change agent" can justify it with their "new" Bible.

James 5:16

NIV-Therefore CONFESS YOUR SINS to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

NASB-Therefore, CONFESS YOUR SINS to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

CEV-If you have SINNED, you should TELL EACH OTHER WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. Then you can pray for one another and be healed. The prayer of an innocent person is powerful, and it can help a lot.

These versions support confessions to a priest. Now, look at what the KJV says:

KJV-CONFESS YOUR FAULTS one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

One word here makes a big difference. Faults and sins are not the same. The modern bibles lead me to believe that confession to "man" is required rather than to God and Him alone.

http://www.concernedmembers.com/editori ... .htm#part3
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February 8th, 2005, 8:26 pm #6

I take from what you said Ken about "confessing your sins one to another", you are not a fan of the letter of James.
Let's make a parable:

Leader A gets found with the wrong lady in a nightclub. Well! We can tolerate six-pack Joe with LUCKY STRIKE worn in his left shirt pocket and even of a deacon with alcohol on his Sunday morning breath but LUST--if caught--is too hot to handle.

So, he goes to the Sunday morning ANONYMOUS CONFESSIONAL and has a note read: "IF I have offended anyone then I am sorry." That is type A confessional.

Type B is is where leader A gets caught and works it out with his wife as the ONE offended. If I said the "S" word in front of a fellow worker then I might try confessing to my friend whom I have offended. However, again the generic is "IF I have said the "S" word this week I want to say that I am sorry is the confession of choice.

Now, Type C as noted below, is a CULT practice where a "secret plant" who has been FACTORY TRAINED but pretends that he is one of the "guys" meets each Sabbath morn to ask Joe: "Joe, have you had any lustful thoughts about your secretary this week?" Joe says NO knowing that the secretary dressed so that he COULD NOT avoid lust (like a stand-up, preside-over Sister-singer or ambivalent males exercising Paul's AUTHORITY which is authentia both erotic and murderous.) The VIPER ADEPT known as friendly confessor secret advisor never breath a word type, literally threaten as in a REAL LIFE example: "Joe, if you don't confess to lust I am going to beat the hell out of you." So, Joe confesses and Viper Adept writes that down on Joe's STONE TABLET to be used IF Joe in the future REFUSES to perform enough WORKS to satisfy the MASTER ADEPT back in Denver. Ask anyone ever involved in the Cross Roads or International Church of Christ or the Promise Keeper's SHEPHERDING plan after they realized that soft-speak will not build a CULT, community church meaning a COMMUNE. You do know that the Tulsa group has always been strongly Cross roady and ACU has tried to bundly with the International Church of Christ. Rubel Shelly and John York has such a Jesus Proposal which must have been fleeced from some web site.

Lynn Anderson SPECIFICIALLY alludes to the Promise Keepers DISCIPLING or SHEPHERDING and specificially mentions exercising control over people's THOUGHTS. They seem to be SPRING LOADED toward ferreting out SECRET DIRT about sexual thoughts or money problems. These can be USED in future thought control.

James speaks ONLY of the OFFENDER confessing to the OFFENDED right there on the spot and DOES NOT promote a PUBLIC CONFESSIONAL. Erasmus wrote a lot about how the preaching monks played the CONFIDENTIAL CONFESSOR role but he knew that when ANYONE gets mad or does not get his way the PUBLIC will hear the DIRT in the next sermon couched in words which will not get himself killed but everyone knows the guilty party.

CHURCH is an ekklesia or synagogue or SCHOOL of the Bible: it has NO other role other than that of the ekklesia or any society which looked after its members. The CHURCH or EKKLESIA had no KING SET OVER US or a STANDING ARMY: the ekklesia met to hear the evidence and make judgment about the evidence. Then when an ASSEMBLY disbands after the Amen it has no ORGANIZATIONAL role until the next called meeting. While the SOCIAL GOSPEL seems appealing to those who no longer believe that Christ can FULFILL His will, it cannot be done without compromising the TEACHING of "that which has been taught" by the elders who are the ONLY, non-professional Pastor-Teachers of the local congregation. This was exactly Martin Luther and John Calvin's plea in their own RESTORATION movement.

This means that to be a TRUE church of Christ, the assembly has no structure or mandate to fabricate mind control cults. It assuredly has no FINANCES to hire a Discipling Minister as has Max Lucado. In the synagogue where Jesus READ the pulpit was to hold up the BIBLE: in cults the pulpit holds up the PULPIT minister. See the difference?

When the people assemble TO BE TAUGHT the STAFF INFECTION needs to keep their dirty, mercinary hands off trying to exercise control over their lives or PLANNING events to keep them from getting bored. I read Charisma Magazine in the doctors office this morning and people are AROUSED to this very fact and are simply OPTING out. I want to give them aid and comfort because Paul said that if we want to MEET Jesus we will have to go OUTSIDE THE CAMP. Furthermore, my commission is to tell them to quit listening to the SCAM about the LAW OF TITHING or the LAW OF GIVING. These new cults like to accuse non-instrumentalists of being LEGALISTS but THEY truly repudiate the notion that JESUS PAID IT ALL.

These GUILT loads are exactly the LADED BURDEN Jesud Christ died to remove to give us REST. REST is a highly-dedicated word in the Greek meaning among other things: Stop the preaching, stop the singing, stop the music, just STOP IT and 'let My people go.'

http://www.piney.com/Heresy.Music.html

As long as the ACU guy promotes training "Prophets. Chanellers and Facilitators" to go out and MAKE the needed changes to peacable churches of Christ then I suggest that you spend your money on your family because THE LAW OF GIVING has no conscience if it deprives you of education or health care which makes you worse than an infidel. The same ENCHANTER or SOOTHSAYER endorses the feminist theology which depends on 'secret little acts of TREASON.'

If THEY have no need to KNOW then YOU have no God-planned need to tell them ANYTHING: I mean as in NOTHING! There is NO "spiritual" medicinal value in CONFESSING that you almost "fell in love with that beautiful black singer dancer---until your daughters chimed in: "Daaaduh! Heezzuh a Guuyyyuh!"

If you need confession on a therepeudic level then THAT is the Job of God in Christ and HE will not tattle on you. AND He will NOT send you a BILL!

Ken
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February 9th, 2005, 1:19 pm #7

Often as not, the member will be required by a signed covenant to participate in so-called "accountability" groups. Here, they will confess all their sins to an accountability leader or partner. Is this Biblical? NO, but the "change agent" can justify it with their "new" Bible.

James 5:16

NIV-Therefore CONFESS YOUR SINS to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

NASB-Therefore, CONFESS YOUR SINS to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

CEV-If you have SINNED, you should TELL EACH OTHER WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. Then you can pray for one another and be healed. The prayer of an innocent person is powerful, and it can help a lot.

These versions support confessions to a priest. Now, look at what the KJV says:

KJV-CONFESS YOUR FAULTS one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

One word here makes a big difference. Faults and sins are not the same. The modern bibles lead me to believe that confession to "man" is required rather than to God and Him alone.

http://www.concernedmembers.com/editori ... .htm#part3
Anoy,
None of the text say nothing about confessing to a priest. That is you inserting something that is not there. That is a distorting of all of the texts. We are to be transparent with each. Any person who does this on a regular basis will tell you the tremendous freeing they feel by following the scripture based method. I think God had a great plan all along. Those that try to hide their faults or sins(really the same in this context) are only trying to be something they are not, and their pride is standing in the way of spiritual growth.
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February 9th, 2005, 1:23 pm #8

Let's make a parable:

Leader A gets found with the wrong lady in a nightclub. Well! We can tolerate six-pack Joe with LUCKY STRIKE worn in his left shirt pocket and even of a deacon with alcohol on his Sunday morning breath but LUST--if caught--is too hot to handle.

So, he goes to the Sunday morning ANONYMOUS CONFESSIONAL and has a note read: "IF I have offended anyone then I am sorry." That is type A confessional.

Type B is is where leader A gets caught and works it out with his wife as the ONE offended. If I said the "S" word in front of a fellow worker then I might try confessing to my friend whom I have offended. However, again the generic is "IF I have said the "S" word this week I want to say that I am sorry is the confession of choice.

Now, Type C as noted below, is a CULT practice where a "secret plant" who has been FACTORY TRAINED but pretends that he is one of the "guys" meets each Sabbath morn to ask Joe: "Joe, have you had any lustful thoughts about your secretary this week?" Joe says NO knowing that the secretary dressed so that he COULD NOT avoid lust (like a stand-up, preside-over Sister-singer or ambivalent males exercising Paul's AUTHORITY which is authentia both erotic and murderous.) The VIPER ADEPT known as friendly confessor secret advisor never breath a word type, literally threaten as in a REAL LIFE example: "Joe, if you don't confess to lust I am going to beat the hell out of you." So, Joe confesses and Viper Adept writes that down on Joe's STONE TABLET to be used IF Joe in the future REFUSES to perform enough WORKS to satisfy the MASTER ADEPT back in Denver. Ask anyone ever involved in the Cross Roads or International Church of Christ or the Promise Keeper's SHEPHERDING plan after they realized that soft-speak will not build a CULT, community church meaning a COMMUNE. You do know that the Tulsa group has always been strongly Cross roady and ACU has tried to bundly with the International Church of Christ. Rubel Shelly and John York has such a Jesus Proposal which must have been fleeced from some web site.

Lynn Anderson SPECIFICIALLY alludes to the Promise Keepers DISCIPLING or SHEPHERDING and specificially mentions exercising control over people's THOUGHTS. They seem to be SPRING LOADED toward ferreting out SECRET DIRT about sexual thoughts or money problems. These can be USED in future thought control.

James speaks ONLY of the OFFENDER confessing to the OFFENDED right there on the spot and DOES NOT promote a PUBLIC CONFESSIONAL. Erasmus wrote a lot about how the preaching monks played the CONFIDENTIAL CONFESSOR role but he knew that when ANYONE gets mad or does not get his way the PUBLIC will hear the DIRT in the next sermon couched in words which will not get himself killed but everyone knows the guilty party.

CHURCH is an ekklesia or synagogue or SCHOOL of the Bible: it has NO other role other than that of the ekklesia or any society which looked after its members. The CHURCH or EKKLESIA had no KING SET OVER US or a STANDING ARMY: the ekklesia met to hear the evidence and make judgment about the evidence. Then when an ASSEMBLY disbands after the Amen it has no ORGANIZATIONAL role until the next called meeting. While the SOCIAL GOSPEL seems appealing to those who no longer believe that Christ can FULFILL His will, it cannot be done without compromising the TEACHING of "that which has been taught" by the elders who are the ONLY, non-professional Pastor-Teachers of the local congregation. This was exactly Martin Luther and John Calvin's plea in their own RESTORATION movement.

This means that to be a TRUE church of Christ, the assembly has no structure or mandate to fabricate mind control cults. It assuredly has no FINANCES to hire a Discipling Minister as has Max Lucado. In the synagogue where Jesus READ the pulpit was to hold up the BIBLE: in cults the pulpit holds up the PULPIT minister. See the difference?

When the people assemble TO BE TAUGHT the STAFF INFECTION needs to keep their dirty, mercinary hands off trying to exercise control over their lives or PLANNING events to keep them from getting bored. I read Charisma Magazine in the doctors office this morning and people are AROUSED to this very fact and are simply OPTING out. I want to give them aid and comfort because Paul said that if we want to MEET Jesus we will have to go OUTSIDE THE CAMP. Furthermore, my commission is to tell them to quit listening to the SCAM about the LAW OF TITHING or the LAW OF GIVING. These new cults like to accuse non-instrumentalists of being LEGALISTS but THEY truly repudiate the notion that JESUS PAID IT ALL.

These GUILT loads are exactly the LADED BURDEN Jesud Christ died to remove to give us REST. REST is a highly-dedicated word in the Greek meaning among other things: Stop the preaching, stop the singing, stop the music, just STOP IT and 'let My people go.'

http://www.piney.com/Heresy.Music.html

As long as the ACU guy promotes training "Prophets. Chanellers and Facilitators" to go out and MAKE the needed changes to peacable churches of Christ then I suggest that you spend your money on your family because THE LAW OF GIVING has no conscience if it deprives you of education or health care which makes you worse than an infidel. The same ENCHANTER or SOOTHSAYER endorses the feminist theology which depends on 'secret little acts of TREASON.'

If THEY have no need to KNOW then YOU have no God-planned need to tell them ANYTHING: I mean as in NOTHING! There is NO "spiritual" medicinal value in CONFESSING that you almost "fell in love with that beautiful black singer dancer---until your daughters chimed in: "Daaaduh! Heezzuh a Guuyyyuh!"

If you need confession on a therepeudic level then THAT is the Job of God in Christ and HE will not tattle on you. AND He will NOT send you a BILL!

Ken
Ken,
You seem to do alot reading between the lines where nothing is written. Could it be that it is your motives that need reviewing instead of those you condemn?
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February 9th, 2005, 5:18 pm #9

I didn't FEEL THE NEED for authority to respond when I read the post: I have been permitted to TEACH "without a WAGE" from day one of this forum. I am the UNpaid Minister of Confession of the SINS of the "prophets, chanellers and facilitators" the ACU guy boasts about as he endorses feminist theology of "little acts of treason" to turn the church into a tribe of Gay Troubadors.

I looked at the POSTED problem church and saw the MARKS. I explained--free of charge--some of the FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY who are all notorious rather than famous and directed you to what your "leaders" are leading you into.

YOU chimed in and suggested that I might not believe in JAMES. I took that--naturally--to mean that YOU thought that James preached what I just REFUTED. You further speak of TRANSPARENCY. You were informed that these were FAULTS and not whether you thought the secretary was cute or that you SPENT too much for the new computer which was NONE OF THE BUSINESS of a Minister of Meddling or a "song leader" at $88,000.00 a year.

I didn't THINK that I was reading ANYTHING which was not made clear to all. I warned--or should have--that those who CHARGE to be Father Confessors (that WAS the subject, remember?) will ALWAYS turn on you with gnashing teeth if you CROSS them.

Because I write TOO MUCH but not as much as a kilo-buck SERMON, you CONFIRM why I warn EVERYONE not to be TRANSPARENT to ANYONE who has no need to KNOW. "Tell it to Jesus, Alone" because SOMEONE is going to take regular DIALOG (which is the meaning of 'preaching') and GNASH as follows. You respond to friendly information which is WELL DOCUMENTED and boasted about with:
  • <font color = red>You seem to do alot reading between the lines where nothing is written. Could it be that it is your motives that need reviewing instead of those you condemn?</font>
I DON'T PLAY the "but they have GOOD MOTIVES" pshchological violence: it is the ACTIONS which MAY be on its way to a GREAT LEAP FORWARD where Madison got caught SPREAD-EAGLED before the BLITZE KREG had been consumated. They GREW from about 3,000 (counting 325 in jail) to about 1,700 [counting 325 jailed]and if the LINKS define the LEADERSHIP your treasurer needs to look for another source of FLEECE.

Because I will NOT SUBMIT to cult-like control I guess I FAILED to get the FAMILTY authority to speak what I know to be the TRUTH. You do know that the Family of Gods (plural) or Community Church is defined by Shelly as a COMMUNE. NO individual has the RIGHT to read, interpret or SPEAK without the CONSENT of the COMMUNITY. I am NOT yet a CULTY so you have to fogive my taking the LIBERTY Jesus gave me to TEST THE SPIRIT and "go into all the world beginning in Kentucky." No whut i mean?

http://www.piney.com/Jesus.Proposal.Book.html
  • Rubel Shelly and John York: <font color=blue> Just as identity in Christ is always COMMUNITY identity,
    • our reading of Scripture becomes a COMMUNITY READING as well.
    While we still have access to reading as individuals,
    • we stop asking, "What does this mean to me?"--as though there is such an isolated meaning. Instead we have a GROUP MENTALITY that asks, "What does this mean to US?"
    </font>
Pick one of the following: Do I believe that Max Lucado got a VISION to add instrumental music and take CHRIST off the church sign? Do I believe in Lynn Anderson's HOPE through DISCIPLING or SHEPHERDING? Do I believe that Joe Beam's book can do what God says for HIS book? Do I believe that Rubel Shelly got NEW GLASSES (remember Joseph Smith as "peep stone Joe?) to get a NEW VISION for the church? Do I believe in LU (aka DL collete, aka DL university) John Mark Hicks (a leader in sanging teams) claim that the Lord's Supper should be celebrated as a SACRIFICIAL MEAL where God eats with us as we JUBILATE? Do I believe in Max Lucado's, Lynn Anderson's and Rubel Shelly's SHEPHERDING THROUGH DISCIPLING? If NOT then WHY does your CHURCH LEADERS endorse them and why are the LAMBS beginning to feel their FLEECE being PLUCKED and their BONES being CRAUNCHED when the SHEPHERDS are supposed to FEED the lambs and an HONEST minister obeys Paul's DIRECT COMMAND to Timothy the evangelist to WORK to support the HUNGRY as the MEANING of MINISTER which does not mean PAID MASTER.

Until I lie, cheat and steal about THE LAW OF TITHING or THE LAW OF GIVING to support those WHOM JESUS said 'take away the key to knowledge' YOU have no right to question my MOTIVES. THAT is why MY CONFESSION--made public about the PONZI SCHEMES fueling the NEW churches of Christ--was MADE knowing that SOMEONE probably on the dole--riding TANDEM on the backs of widows and welfare people--would TURN and bite.
See WHUT I MEAN? Huh? NOW, confession time: are YOU fleeching the lambs and craunching their bones? WHICH ones of the HERESIES you LINK to are the HIDDEN AGENDA with the proclaimed WARNING that you have to INFILTRATE and DIVERT until you are in a good financial position THEN you can spring it on the suckers that the property they INVESTED IN is PLANNED to become a THEATER FOR HOLY ENTERTAINMENT. I sense that you have been GORED but you still have time to UNMOUNT the weeping WIDOWS if you are presently RIDING.

In the new HOSTILE TAKEOVERS the preacher relegates the shepherds to shepherding the MINISTERS whom Shelly says have the RIGHT to lead the church. The preacher is a HIRELING (if he is hired) and the RESPONSIBILITY rests squarely on the backs of the elders NOT to turn the preacher and a collected STAFF INFECTION to run rough shod over them. As Shelly abdicates the preaching role and turns to training PREACHERS he confesses that the elders put up with a lot as he wrestled with his CHANGE of theology. No one has the right to collect a wage as he radically changes a church of Christ into a Christian church or a Baptist church. There will be LESS hurt for the elders if they take the BULL by the horns and toss him out--quickly now!

Ken
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May 3rd, 2005, 2:46 am #10

Strange things that I read about on this site are starting here.The changes seem to be very fast.Help! May God destroy us for our apostasy.
I do not think I am up for the battle that is starting.Is it best just to leave quietly?

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