God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son

God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son

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February 16th, 2017, 9:34 pm #1

I was reading the post this morning, and wanted to put my thoughts on paper about God and his son Jesus Christ. I hope y'all don't mind my sharing. If anyone has anything to add please do so. I pray we all can come to a better understanding! Excuse any bad punctuation. I was just writing as I was thinking.

God had a plan or idea=father
Idea into existence human Jesus=son

Prophecy fulfilled which proves God is true. Man cannot save himself, and needed to be shown the way to true life. This is the role that Jesus was created for as a servant.

God is thought idea mind
Jesus is word body
Spirit is breath

Man has a body
" Spirit
". Breath of life. (We aren't God)

What if there is another reality-spiritual realm-man cannot see this but he can think about it, which we are told to to think about spiritual things and not things of this world. God is spirit and man cannot see spirit as we are still in the human realm and in a body. God has reached thru this barrier many times in the past as the scriptures attest. He chose this last age to reach thru by a mediator who has been given all authority, because he, Jesus, is the image of God. He would be what God would look like if he had a body.

Perhaps the conflict comes from the nature of Jesus. If we think about when our parents conceive us as children. Who puts the spirit inside that baby? That would be God. He also sparks this breath of life. The miraculous birth of Jesus is not a sexual act, but an act of creation. This is the miracle! Mary was a vessel, but God sparked the birth, a fully human baby, using Mary's seed as a genetic relative of Abraham. Who grows and experiences the same human frailties that we do, yet remains sinless. How can you know what someone suffers, unless you walk in their shoes? This is a lesson to us on empathy. How can we complain about our life when there is always someone else who has suffered worse. We show the kingdom inside of us when we can serve and have empathy with others who are less fortunate.

Jesus is fully human, and he has a spirit. We must always keep in mind that he came as a servant to mankind, and was crucified, but the spirit never dies. Just as when we die, our flesh goes to dust, but our spirit returns to God in the spiritual realm. Perhaps this realm in actuality is side by side with ours. Kind of like a parallel universe? Jesus came to show us as the mediator between man and God. He is now in a spiritual form, we can't see, but we know He is real, and He cares for his flock of lost spirits. Our commission is to grow the kingdom, and search out those who believe, and God will give the increase of knowledge when those souls are ready to receive it! This is the faith hope and charity we should be teaching to others!

I also wanted to add that in the physical realm things work by certain laws, but perhaps in the spiritual realm those laws are not the same and in this realm, earth, we can only imagine how things operate in the spiritual, due to the limitations of our bodies.
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February 16th, 2017, 10:20 pm #2

Very interesting! This forced me to look at a few passages

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein,
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seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth,
.....dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Acts 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands,
.....as though he needed any thing,
.....seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;


That seems to eleminate HOUSES or anything we do with our hands AS WORSHIP. Worship recognizes that God is the SOURCE and that is done IN THE SPIRIT or Mind.

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men
.....for to dwell on all the FACE of the earth,
.....and hath determined the times before appointed,
.....and the bounds of their habitation;
Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord,
..... if haply they might feel after him, and find him,
.....though he be not far from every one of us:
Acts 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being;
.....as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God,
.....we ought not to think that the Godhead
.....is LIKE unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.


The trinity is an IMAGE of three persons always pictured as about the size as Jesus. That is a pretty low view of God Who INHABITS eternity and fills all things.

Godhead, contrary to the scholars among us, is not a god with three heads or "three centers of consciousness."

g2304. theios, thi´-os; from 2316; godlike (neuter as noun, divinity): — divine, godhead.

Jesus as the Son of God was Godlike and connnected to THE Divinity.

g2316 heos, theh´-os; of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with 3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very: — x exceeding, God, god(-ly, -ward).

Like Paul, Enoch and others spoke of the seventh or tenth heaven. The thinkers can mathematically show that there are ten dimensions along with Time making eleven. If God lives IN Us and we live IN the Father-Son (John 14) then we should not think of God being INSIDE of the Man Jesus. The Spirit or "messenger" of God was represented as a dove or Rock Pigeon which carries messages. That Dove never went INSIDE of Jesus or anyone.

I would worry a lot if I thought that Jesus WAS God and that He was crucified because He was WEAK.

2Cor. 13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking IN me,
.....which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.
2Cor. 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness,
.....yet he liveth by the power of God.
For we also are weak IN him,
.....but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
2Cor. 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be IN THE FAITH; prove your own selves.
.....Know ye not your own selves,
.....how that Jesus Christ is IN you, except ye be reprobates?
2Cor. 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.

1John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; FOR GOD IS LOVE
1John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us,
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because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world,
.....that we might live through him.
1John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us,
.....and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
1John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another,
.....God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
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God IS LOVE does not mean that LOVE is one of the god persons. So, grasping that worship IS IN THE PLACE of the Spirit devoted to THE TRUTH makes one a Child of God. That is the OPPOSITE of those who believe and want to be paid to PRODUCE a worship service for you in A HOUSE as they perform acts of worship with THEIR HANDS: pointing, raising, clapping or playing machines.</font>
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February 16th, 2017, 10:58 pm #3

When you speak of dimensions, are you speaking of peace kindness, mercy, joy, truth, those kind of things? These are all godly attributes we should have living inside, which come from God. Since, we have the words of the spirit, these must be manifest in our conversations and thoughts and actions.
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February 16th, 2017, 11:35 pm #4

No, I am speaking of dimensions in this sense:

A dot has only one dimension..
A sheet of paper has two dimensions. If you lived in "flatland" you could see left and right forward or backward. If another person lived in a three-dimensioned world they could see you on flatland but you couldn't look up and see them.

When we sit in a pew in church we sit in the same three-dimensioned space as our parents. However, we can't see them because they lived in the dimension of another time. I am so busy studying because you can in fact travel (in your mind) to another time and place.

Now, what Paul is speaking of is perhaps the FIFTH dimension. God occupies the same space and time as we and He can see us but we cannot see Him. All spirits of His children were given by God and they occupy a small bit of material. The material decays but out spirits even now are "translated into a heavenly kingdom." That is why we can hear everyone say that there is just ONE GOD and everyone else including His special begotten sons grasp that Jesus as He says and says is the SON OF GOD. You will have noted that if you say it for now about 16 years those OF the World or Earth Born will never see it because they have not been translated into the spiritual or maybe fifth dimension.

And so on, just imagine an earth with humans live in 10 dimensions at the same time. I remember Billy Graham explaining how a train might be moving through your living room but you cannot see or hear it.

The role of Jesus was to make a TINY gate or DOOR

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but BY me.

A true Church of Christ is a WAY that is called a SECT: it is very narrow and exclusive and close to zero are able to find it.

g3598. hodos, hod-os´; apparently a primary word; a road; by implication, a progress (the route, act or distance); figuratively, a mode or means: — journey, (high-)way.

Baptism SAVES by Faith because it is the only way to get INTO or CLOTHED with Christ. The only way to get past the Keepers of the World or the Devils kingdom is to hide away in the folds of the "garments" of Jesus.

Beware of those lusting to remove the name of CHRIST from their public profession. I am quite certain that, as Enoch explained, they know their destiny. They are called a RACE OF VIPERS and they were not qualified to be baptized. Is that clear as mud?

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February 17th, 2017, 1:07 am #5

I read a fictional book from Orson Scott Card, called Pathways or something like that, which reminds me of these dimensions you are speaking about. The people could go back and effect the realities in time and space, and could see the path that prior civilizations had walked. I've been doing a lot of time travel in my mind too these days.
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February 17th, 2017, 1:18 am #6

True Disciples live in another dimension: our spirits are translated int a heavenly kingdom which does not come with OBSERVATION meaning religious observations. That is why worship is not in PLACES but in THE SPIRIT as contrasted to the PLACE of Jerusalem. The assembly is ordained and defined inclusively and exclusively as a School of the Word. Even when we may not be totally aware, Jesus said MY WORDS are Spirit and LIFE. That is the only FOOD FOR THE SOUL. Too bad that almost all churches have degenerated to hiring people to build HOUSES and do the work of THEIR HANDS which prevent you from being IN the spirit when Scripture is read and discussed.

Just be careful that you don't go back and murder your grandmother!

here is an interesting bit on time. The earth staying still is no problem if you can stop the "flow" of time.

http://www.ldolphin.org/time.html
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February 17th, 2017, 1:50 am #7

1Cor. 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Cor. 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Cor. 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Cor. 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Cor. 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1Cor. 15:40 There are also celestial [heavenly] bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
The word Glory of the earthly is ADDED

Those OF the World for whom Jesus doesn't pray are not the Lost Sheep He was sent to rescue from the WORLD VIEW or the Ecumenical or the kingdom of the devil.

g1919. epigeios, ep-ig´-i-os; from 1909 and 1093; worldly (physically or morally): — earthly, in earth, terrestrial.
g1093. ghv ge, ghay; contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application): — country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

1Cor. 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
1Cor. 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cor. 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cor. 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.<font color="#FF0000"> There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Cor. 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Cor. 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Cor. 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

1Cor. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


Even now, flesh and blood is not added when our spirits are translated into a heavenly kingdom. That is why you can worship YOUR FLESH but never able to engage in SPIRITUAL WORSHIP which means OF THE WORD. Maybe that is why they work SO HARD to PERFORM physical or FLESHLY WORSHIP.

Phil. 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
Phil. 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
Phil. 3:3 For we are the circumcision,
.....which worship God IN THE SPIRIT
.....and rejoice in Christ Jesus,
.....and have no confidence IN THE FLESH

The concision were the emasculated priests of the mother goddess: they and the CATAMITES were the faithful dogs of ISIS (at Sinai) and Cybele. At an EX church of Christ near you.

Psa. 22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
Psa. 22:16 [21:17] For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

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February 19th, 2017, 11:42 pm #8

I was reading the post this morning, and wanted to put my thoughts on paper about God and his son Jesus Christ. I hope y'all don't mind my sharing. If anyone has anything to add please do so. I pray we all can come to a better understanding! Excuse any bad punctuation. I was just writing as I was thinking.

God had a plan or idea=father
Idea into existence human Jesus=son

Prophecy fulfilled which proves God is true. Man cannot save himself, and needed to be shown the way to true life. This is the role that Jesus was created for as a servant.

God is thought idea mind
Jesus is word body
Spirit is breath

Man has a body
" Spirit
". Breath of life. (We aren't God)

What if there is another reality-spiritual realm-man cannot see this but he can think about it, which we are told to to think about spiritual things and not things of this world. God is spirit and man cannot see spirit as we are still in the human realm and in a body. God has reached thru this barrier many times in the past as the scriptures attest. He chose this last age to reach thru by a mediator who has been given all authority, because he, Jesus, is the image of God. He would be what God would look like if he had a body.

Perhaps the conflict comes from the nature of Jesus. If we think about when our parents conceive us as children. Who puts the spirit inside that baby? That would be God. He also sparks this breath of life. The miraculous birth of Jesus is not a sexual act, but an act of creation. This is the miracle! Mary was a vessel, but God sparked the birth, a fully human baby, using Mary's seed as a genetic relative of Abraham. Who grows and experiences the same human frailties that we do, yet remains sinless. How can you know what someone suffers, unless you walk in their shoes? This is a lesson to us on empathy. How can we complain about our life when there is always someone else who has suffered worse. We show the kingdom inside of us when we can serve and have empathy with others who are less fortunate.

Jesus is fully human, and he has a spirit. We must always keep in mind that he came as a servant to mankind, and was crucified, but the spirit never dies. Just as when we die, our flesh goes to dust, but our spirit returns to God in the spiritual realm. Perhaps this realm in actuality is side by side with ours. Kind of like a parallel universe? Jesus came to show us as the mediator between man and God. He is now in a spiritual form, we can't see, but we know He is real, and He cares for his flock of lost spirits. Our commission is to grow the kingdom, and search out those who believe, and God will give the increase of knowledge when those souls are ready to receive it! This is the faith hope and charity we should be teaching to others!

I also wanted to add that in the physical realm things work by certain laws, but perhaps in the spiritual realm those laws are not the same and in this realm, earth, we can only imagine how things operate in the spiritual, due to the limitations of our bodies.
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Dianna,

Thank you for expressing the title of this thread in that manner.

It is scriptural. It's the central theme of the gospel message of salvation -- God the Father sending His only begotten Son, as the prophesied Messiah in the O.T., to earth.

It is consistently stated/communicated in the beginning verses of each of the epistles from Romans to Jude, in the salutation to individual Christians and churches:

(1) God the Father
--------- and ---------
(2) The Lord Jesus Christ
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Romans 1:7
I Corinthians 1:3
II Corinthians 1:2,3
Galatians 1:3
... ... ...
... ... ...
... ... ...
Jude 1:1
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February 20th, 2017, 3:07 am #9

I enjoy watching Ancient Aliens: first to be amuses with what the book writers read into things. Second, they always do tours of real sites which is educational. There is no doubt that people lived in past ages with skills which cannot be reproduced by modern methods. These sites are scattered all over the world with the same cosmology that civilized mankind came from "up there." While close to 100 percent of religionists are listening to sermons which TRUMP the Scriptures, the world lies in ignorance like an eyebrow mite on the lashes of an elephant and gloat "what a good boy am I."

Those OF the World as ANGELS OF LIGHT are purpose driven and according to Jude FOREORDAINED to keep the little flock of lambs overrun by a hoard of goats and wolves which are elders which are NOT APT. A wolf is that gender-bent parable of Paul.

Gen. 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen. 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen. 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


h1368.gibbowr, ghib-bore´; or (shortened) r;Ob…ˆg gibbor, ghib-bore´; intensive from the same as 1397; powerful; by implication, warrior, tyrant:—champion, chief, x excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.

h1369. gbuwrah, gheb-oo-raw´; feminine passive participle from the same as 1368; force (literally or figuratively); by implication, valor, victory:—force, mastery, might, mighty (act, power), power, strength.

Kheber: [Arabic] Also gheber, "The mighty one". In Chaldean the word is Aakbar. In Turkish and some other Eastern dialects became akbar, as in the Moslem saying "Allar Akbar", meaning "God is Great". (Synonym of Abir) HislopGloss.html

There was a line of "Highplaces" running from the pyramids of Gizeh through Philistia, Hainan,1 Salem, Shiloh, Beth Shems, Moab,—to Bel's Tower at Babylon. They were sacred to Bal or Bel (El) the Sun. In Syria, Moab, and Mesopotamia they built temples on elevations natural or artificial. Salamah is said to have built one bamah (highplace) to Ka- mos in Moab, and another to the " King" (Malak, Moloch) among the Ammonites. The bamoth were probably the oldest highplaces and temples of the Asarim, Asarielites, or Syrians. The Great Highplace was at Gabaon.2 There Bel- Saturn s met 4 his worshippers on Saturn's Day.

Mse (Masses, or Moses 5) was of the race of the Chaldaeans. The Chaldaean Mithra had his Seven Bays, and Moses his Seven Days. The other planets which circling round the sun lead the dance as round the King of heaven receive from him with the light also their powers ; while as the light comes to them from the sun so from him they receive their powers that he pours out into the Seven Spheres of the Seven Planets


AFTER The Jews rejected The Book of The Covenant which was Abrahamic, God sentenced them to captivity and death as their place of origin. The people refused to listen but Moses wrote and INVERTED version of this ancient cosmology to try to warn the people about their fait and also to warn us. After Paul discussed the Musical Idolatry in 1 Corinthians 10 he wrote:

1Cor. 10:6 Now these things were our EXAMPLES [TYPES PATTERNS], to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

How can you doubt it just by reading Acts 7 where God turned the Jews over to worship the Starry Host because they had never ceased that worship focused on the Stars, Fire and Serpents. That is the PATTERN of those said to be FOREORDAINED because they HAD deceived the whole world (age) before.

Gen. 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen. 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen. 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen. 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen. 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Gen. 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Gen. 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen. 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen. 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Gen. 6:14 Make thee an ark [A coffin] of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
Gen. 6:15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
Gen. 6:16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.
Gen. 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Gen. 6:18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons’ wives with thee.
Gen. 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
Gen. 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
Gen. 6:21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.
Gen. 6:22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.


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February 26th, 2017, 2:01 am #10

Rubel Shelly and the Holy Spirit

http://www.piney.com/HsIndwFaithMatters.html

Rubel Shelly

> "In the Old Testament God spoke at many times and in a variety of ways.
> Through Jesus, God Himself spoke to His people during His lifetime.
> Now God speaks through the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit will teach you all things,
will call to your memory the things Jesus said,
will guide you into all truth,

will speak what He hears from the Father,
will tell YOU what is yet to come,
and glorify Christ as He reveals Christ to you.


Only the Apostles and later Paul was promised to be GUIDED INTO ALL TRUTH: that doesn't leave ANY truth for the false teachers to hear:

But, John 14:16 Jesus said "I" will come to you. 1 Peter 1:11 says that the prophets spoke by the SPIRIT OF CHRIST. See also Rev. 19:10)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:16
I will not leave you comfortless: <font size="6">I
will come to you. John 14:18

The I who came as the fuller COMFORTER has a name:

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

John says that the WORDS of Jesus is the ONLY resource and those who do not keep HIS Word are never perfected. The Word, Logos or Regulative Principle is the OPPOSITE of any human experience. However,

Rubel Shelly says: Then I begin reading my Bible again and find that MY EXPERIENCE isn't all that unique.

The Holy Guest will supply everything you need. In your weakness,
you will feel his strength.
Not only through the exhortation of the Word of God
but in your daily routine,
you will hear from
and experience the Lord Jesus Christ.


Blackaby and King (Souther Baptists) in Experiencing God asks:

"Does God really speak to His people in our day?
Will He reveal to you where He is working when He wants to use you?
Yes! God has not changed. He still speaks to His people.
If you have trouble hearing God speak,
you are in trouble at the very heart of your Christian experience.


Shelly etal says that neither Father nor Son speak today: the Holy Spirit (the breath of God) now TRUMPS God.

The Word or Logos is the Regulative Principle excluding anything you can do or say.
God IS that regulative principle or Word.
Jesus SPEAKS that Word which He calls SPIRIT.

Therefore, Rubel Shelly and all of those who use violence against you by claiming to know what you cannot know are ANTI Logos or ANTI christs.</font>
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