GIVE US A WORSHIP LEADER

GIVE US A WORSHIP LEADER

ConcernedMembers
ConcernedMembers

April 1st, 2003, 6:14 pm #1

SECRET CONVERSION PART 7

GIVE US A WORSHIP LEADER

One of the signs of the "church growth movement" is the presence of a "worship leader". What is a worship leader?

First, to understand what is happening, you must know about the World Council of Churches. One of its goals is to bring all Churches, Muslin, Christian, Buddhist, Wicca, occultist and pagan religions of all sorts together under one umbrella. They don't hide this.

It was determined around 1962 that the best way to accomplish this goal was through a charismatic and contemporary music format. The best way to implement these changes was through a slow and gradual infiltration, which has become known (among other things) as the "church growth movement."

What we see today, with the rise of the "worship leader," is one of the tools that brings about change in the church. Since "music" is the key to make all this happen, then the "worship leader" will also be the "music" leader.

These people think the word of God needs a little help to reach all the "‘unchurched’ and ‘disenchanted." The "worship leader” has also become a big part of their "outreach ministry."

One of the Deacons at my former church asked the Elders about "worship leaders." Now, these men claim not to be working in "lock step" with the "Church Growth movement," but they sure know about "worship leaders," This what they said:

"IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANNING ALL AREAS OF THE WORSHIP SERVICE
AND THEN PRESENTING THESE PLANS TO THE WORSHIP COMMITTEE. THIS INCLUDES
THE LORD’S SUPPER, GIVING, PRAYERS, AND THE READING OF THE LORD,S WORD AS
WELL AS THE SONG SERVICE"(4)
***********
This is a want ad for a "worship leader:"(3)

Job Description: St Matthew’s Lutheran Church is passionate about reaching out to the richly diverse and secular neighbors whom we share the freeway with. We are looking for a Minister of Worship & Celebration (Lay or Ordained) who is wired to empower heart-felt worship using today’s music, multi-media and the arts. We are a grace driven ministry that relies upon team building to reach those who normally would not check out church. We tend to be a bit irreverent. We bring our coffee into worship and do not tend to attract the squeaky clean. We are looking for a leader who knows it’s not about them
**********
There are magazines and web sites(3) dedicated to the “worship leader." This has become a big business. Here is an excerpt form a recent article in a "worship leader" magazine telling a little about what they believe:

The Spoken Voice
1. Speaking - Psalm 34:1 says, "I will extol the Lord at all times; his praise will always be on my lips."
2. Shouting - Psalm 27:6 says, "Then my head will be exalted above the enemies who surround me; at his tabernacle will I sacrifice with shouts of joy; I will sing and make music to the Lord."
3. Singing - Psalm 47:6 says, "Sing praises to God, sing praises to our King, sing praises."

Our Posture
1. Bowing - Psalm 95:6 says, "Come let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the Lord our Maker."
2. Standing - Psalm 119:120 says, "My flesh trembles in fear of you; I stand in awe of your laws."
3. Dancing - Psalm 149:3 says, "Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with tambourine and harp."

Our Hands
1. Playing Instruments - Psalm 33:2, 3 says, "Praise the Lord with the harp; make music to him on the ten stringed lyre. Sing to him a new song; play skillfully, and shout for joy."
2. Clapping - Psalm 47:1 says, "Clap your hands, all you nations; shout to God with cries of joy."
3. Lifting Hands - Psalm 63:4 says, "I will praise you as long as I live, and in your name I will lift up my hands."
**********
They always give David as their license, but, God tells us in Amos 6:5--Woe to those that act like David:

AMOS 6:5
"That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David;"

You may ask, is a "worship leader" Biblical? In a way, they are. You see God created the first "worship leader".

Ezekiel 28:13-16
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14 You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
16 By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones

Note: "tambrels" are tamborines and "pipes" are wind instruments.

It's no wonder that Satan is called the "enchanter." He has been using music from the very beginning to seduce his prey. It started early with the Bablyonian and Egyptian civilizations in which they would dance, clap, sing and play to their gods. The only thing most contemporary Churches are not doing presently is bringing the gods clean cloths everyday.

From the continent of Africa, where Voodoo chants called up the evil spirits to the shores of America , Satan has always been the user of music and the "worship leader" extraordinaire.

Isaiah14:11-12
11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, And the sound of your stringed instruments; The maggot is spread under you, And worms cover you.
12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

Let's take a look at how Satan uses others to seduce us with his music:

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From Musician Carlos Santana:

Santana admits that his success is tied to a spiritual entity. Santana also claims that he has contact with the spirits of musicians who have died, such as Jimi Hendrix and Miles Davis. Santana has claimed that other artists who participated on his album, Supernatural, were brought to him supernaturally to be a part of Metatron's project. He claimed that they heard his music, or were communicated to in dreams, and were told they were to be part of the project.(1)

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1)
************

Eminem is the most successful artist of the 21st century. His Marshall Mathers LP sold an incredible 1.76 million copies in its first week, which is the highest first-week sale for a solo artist in history:

" I take seven [kids] from [columbine] and stand 'em all in line. Add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine, a Mac-11 and this ought to solve this problem of mine. And that's a whole school of bullies shot up all of the time, 'cause I'm Shady…"

" I take each individual degenerate's head and reach into it, just to see if he's influenced by me, if he listens to music, and if he feeds into this sh**, he's an innocent victim, and becomes a puppet on the string…"
************
Rolling Stone admitted:

"A song or an album can change your life; a great concert will change it on the spot."
***********

Tori Amos, who said that Lucifer sits at her piano and helps her with her music, said:

" Music is the most powerful medium in the world because of the frequencies. You're hitting places in people that remind them that they are more than just this functional being."
***********

Science writer and composer, Robert Jourdain, wrote in his book, Music, The Brain And Ecstacy:

" Music seems to be the most immediate of all the arts. …Music possesses us. …It really is as if some 'other' has entered not just our bodies, but our intentions, taking us over."
**********

Medical Dr. and brain specialist, Richard Pellegrino, who is a consultant to the entertainment industry, wrote an article for Billboard Magazine , about the power of music. Dr. Pellegrino speaks of the incomparable power of music upon the human brain, stating that music has the uncanny power to:

"… trigger a flood of human emotions and images that have the ability to instantaneously produce very powerful changes in emotional states."

Pellegrino went on to declare:

" Take it from a brain guy. In 25 years of working with the brain, I still cannot affect a person's state of mind the way that one simple song can."
********

Eminem states in his song, Marshall Mathers:

"I think I was put here to…destroy your little 4-year-old boy or girl."
********

Frank Zappa, who was quite anti-Christ, said that when he saw a fish on the back of someone's car he identified them as the enemy. He also admitted to the incredible power and influence rock music has over the human race. In an article he wrote for Life Magazine, he stated:

"The ways in which sound affects the human organism are myriad and subtle. The loud sounds and bright lights of today are tremendous indoctrination tools.
********
AC/DC was up-front with their fans when they made it clear that they not only found their fame in a rock band by Satan's power, but that they desired to drag their listeners into eternal damnation with them, "if God's on the left, I'm on the right…I'm gonna take ya to hell…I'm gonna get'cha-Satan got 'cha, Hell's Bells…If you're into evil, you're a friend of mine."
********
Michael Jackson:

"When I hit the stage it’s all of a sudden a magic from somewhere that comes and the spirit just hits you, and you lose control of yourself."

"I wake up from dreams and go, ‘Wow! Put this down on paper!’ The whole thing is strange. You hear the words, everything is right there in front of your face. And you say to yourself, ‘I’m sorry, I just didn’t write this. It’s there already’. I feel that somewhere, someplace, it’s all been done, and I’m the courier bringing it into the world."
*******

From these two sites (1)(2) alone I count well over 85 well known and famous music performers in all areas of music, Christian, blues, and Rock N Roll, that profess to be Satanically driven, or use pagan symbolism in their performances.

This list includes people like Robert Johnson-The Father of Blues, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, and even Amy Grant!

Dear Lord, please forgive us for what we have brought into your Church.



(1) They Sold Their Souls For Rock N Roll
http://www.goodfight.org/
(2) What's Wrong With Christian Rock?
http://www.freedomministries.org.uk/godwin/index.shtml
(3) Experiencing Worship - A Resource Guide For the Worshiper and Worship Leader
http://www.experiencingworship.com/
(4) The Deacons Beg For Answers, and The Elders Reply
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/mes ... 1035417954

Read Secret Conversion Parts 1-6
http://www.concernedmembers.com/editori ... ersion.htm


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Dal Maxvill
Dal Maxvill

April 1st, 2003, 7:34 pm #2


of whatever your drinking....

You left out some very important satanic references:

It was Van Halen who was "Dancing with the Devil"...
Mitch Ryder who saw the "Devil in a Blue Dress",
and,
"The Devil Went Down to Georgia" with Charlie Daniels,
famous Satan worshipper.

Did you know that if you play "Stairway to Heaven" backwards it says, "The worship leaders are coming to take you away?"

Did you know the old Carpenter's hit "Close to You"
is about the worship leader in a sackcloth drawing near to the tower of Babel?

My personal favorite is the re-working of "Rock of Ages" by Def Leppard.

"Beer Barrel Polka" was written after a jewish bar mitzvah in which a man claimed he was a part of the Alan Parsons Project.

I knew it wouldn't take long to get to the root of our problems....

Elvis and The Beatles....

Thank you for all that you are doing to keep us on the George Strait and narrow....

The fifth Beatle,
Dal
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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

April 1st, 2003, 8:56 pm #3

SECRET CONVERSION PART 7

GIVE US A WORSHIP LEADER

One of the signs of the "church growth movement" is the presence of a "worship leader". What is a worship leader?

First, to understand what is happening, you must know about the World Council of Churches. One of its goals is to bring all Churches, Muslin, Christian, Buddhist, Wicca, occultist and pagan religions of all sorts together under one umbrella. They don't hide this.

It was determined around 1962 that the best way to accomplish this goal was through a charismatic and contemporary music format. The best way to implement these changes was through a slow and gradual infiltration, which has become known (among other things) as the "church growth movement."

What we see today, with the rise of the "worship leader," is one of the tools that brings about change in the church. Since "music" is the key to make all this happen, then the "worship leader" will also be the "music" leader.

These people think the word of God needs a little help to reach all the "‘unchurched’ and ‘disenchanted." The "worship leader” has also become a big part of their "outreach ministry."

One of the Deacons at my former church asked the Elders about "worship leaders." Now, these men claim not to be working in "lock step" with the "Church Growth movement," but they sure know about "worship leaders," This what they said:

"IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANNING ALL AREAS OF THE WORSHIP SERVICE
AND THEN PRESENTING THESE PLANS TO THE WORSHIP COMMITTEE. THIS INCLUDES
THE LORD’S SUPPER, GIVING, PRAYERS, AND THE READING OF THE LORD,S WORD AS
WELL AS THE SONG SERVICE"(4)
***********
This is a want ad for a "worship leader:"(3)

Job Description: St Matthew’s Lutheran Church is passionate about reaching out to the richly diverse and secular neighbors whom we share the freeway with. We are looking for a Minister of Worship & Celebration (Lay or Ordained) who is wired to empower heart-felt worship using today’s music, multi-media and the arts. We are a grace driven ministry that relies upon team building to reach those who normally would not check out church. We tend to be a bit irreverent. We bring our coffee into worship and do not tend to attract the squeaky clean. We are looking for a leader who knows it’s not about them
**********
There are magazines and web sites(3) dedicated to the “worship leader." This has become a big business. Here is an excerpt form a recent article in a "worship leader" magazine telling a little about what they believe:

The Spoken Voice
1. Speaking - Psalm 34:1 says, "I will extol the Lord at all times; his praise will always be on my lips."
2. Shouting - Psalm 27:6 says, "Then my head will be exalted above the enemies who surround me; at his tabernacle will I sacrifice with shouts of joy; I will sing and make music to the Lord."
3. Singing - Psalm 47:6 says, "Sing praises to God, sing praises to our King, sing praises."

Our Posture
1. Bowing - Psalm 95:6 says, "Come let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the Lord our Maker."
2. Standing - Psalm 119:120 says, "My flesh trembles in fear of you; I stand in awe of your laws."
3. Dancing - Psalm 149:3 says, "Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with tambourine and harp."

Our Hands
1. Playing Instruments - Psalm 33:2, 3 says, "Praise the Lord with the harp; make music to him on the ten stringed lyre. Sing to him a new song; play skillfully, and shout for joy."
2. Clapping - Psalm 47:1 says, "Clap your hands, all you nations; shout to God with cries of joy."
3. Lifting Hands - Psalm 63:4 says, "I will praise you as long as I live, and in your name I will lift up my hands."
**********
They always give David as their license, but, God tells us in Amos 6:5--Woe to those that act like David:

AMOS 6:5
"That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David;"

You may ask, is a "worship leader" Biblical? In a way, they are. You see God created the first "worship leader".

Ezekiel 28:13-16
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14 You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
16 By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones

Note: "tambrels" are tamborines and "pipes" are wind instruments.

It's no wonder that Satan is called the "enchanter." He has been using music from the very beginning to seduce his prey. It started early with the Bablyonian and Egyptian civilizations in which they would dance, clap, sing and play to their gods. The only thing most contemporary Churches are not doing presently is bringing the gods clean cloths everyday.

From the continent of Africa, where Voodoo chants called up the evil spirits to the shores of America , Satan has always been the user of music and the "worship leader" extraordinaire.

Isaiah14:11-12
11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, And the sound of your stringed instruments; The maggot is spread under you, And worms cover you.
12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

Let's take a look at how Satan uses others to seduce us with his music:

************
From Musician Carlos Santana:

Santana admits that his success is tied to a spiritual entity. Santana also claims that he has contact with the spirits of musicians who have died, such as Jimi Hendrix and Miles Davis. Santana has claimed that other artists who participated on his album, Supernatural, were brought to him supernaturally to be a part of Metatron's project. He claimed that they heard his music, or were communicated to in dreams, and were told they were to be part of the project.(1)

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1)
************

Eminem is the most successful artist of the 21st century. His Marshall Mathers LP sold an incredible 1.76 million copies in its first week, which is the highest first-week sale for a solo artist in history:

" I take seven [kids] from [columbine] and stand 'em all in line. Add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine, a Mac-11 and this ought to solve this problem of mine. And that's a whole school of bullies shot up all of the time, 'cause I'm Shady…"

" I take each individual degenerate's head and reach into it, just to see if he's influenced by me, if he listens to music, and if he feeds into this sh**, he's an innocent victim, and becomes a puppet on the string…"
************
Rolling Stone admitted:

"A song or an album can change your life; a great concert will change it on the spot."
***********

Tori Amos, who said that Lucifer sits at her piano and helps her with her music, said:

" Music is the most powerful medium in the world because of the frequencies. You're hitting places in people that remind them that they are more than just this functional being."
***********

Science writer and composer, Robert Jourdain, wrote in his book, Music, The Brain And Ecstacy:

" Music seems to be the most immediate of all the arts. …Music possesses us. …It really is as if some 'other' has entered not just our bodies, but our intentions, taking us over."
**********

Medical Dr. and brain specialist, Richard Pellegrino, who is a consultant to the entertainment industry, wrote an article for Billboard Magazine , about the power of music. Dr. Pellegrino speaks of the incomparable power of music upon the human brain, stating that music has the uncanny power to:

"… trigger a flood of human emotions and images that have the ability to instantaneously produce very powerful changes in emotional states."

Pellegrino went on to declare:

" Take it from a brain guy. In 25 years of working with the brain, I still cannot affect a person's state of mind the way that one simple song can."
********

Eminem states in his song, Marshall Mathers:

"I think I was put here to…destroy your little 4-year-old boy or girl."
********

Frank Zappa, who was quite anti-Christ, said that when he saw a fish on the back of someone's car he identified them as the enemy. He also admitted to the incredible power and influence rock music has over the human race. In an article he wrote for Life Magazine, he stated:

"The ways in which sound affects the human organism are myriad and subtle. The loud sounds and bright lights of today are tremendous indoctrination tools.
********
AC/DC was up-front with their fans when they made it clear that they not only found their fame in a rock band by Satan's power, but that they desired to drag their listeners into eternal damnation with them, "if God's on the left, I'm on the right…I'm gonna take ya to hell…I'm gonna get'cha-Satan got 'cha, Hell's Bells…If you're into evil, you're a friend of mine."
********
Michael Jackson:

"When I hit the stage it’s all of a sudden a magic from somewhere that comes and the spirit just hits you, and you lose control of yourself."

"I wake up from dreams and go, ‘Wow! Put this down on paper!’ The whole thing is strange. You hear the words, everything is right there in front of your face. And you say to yourself, ‘I’m sorry, I just didn’t write this. It’s there already’. I feel that somewhere, someplace, it’s all been done, and I’m the courier bringing it into the world."
*******

From these two sites (1)(2) alone I count well over 85 well known and famous music performers in all areas of music, Christian, blues, and Rock N Roll, that profess to be Satanically driven, or use pagan symbolism in their performances.

This list includes people like Robert Johnson-The Father of Blues, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, and even Amy Grant!

Dear Lord, please forgive us for what we have brought into your Church.



(1) They Sold Their Souls For Rock N Roll
http://www.goodfight.org/
(2) What's Wrong With Christian Rock?
http://www.freedomministries.org.uk/godwin/index.shtml
(3) Experiencing Worship - A Resource Guide For the Worshiper and Worship Leader
http://www.experiencingworship.com/
(4) The Deacons Beg For Answers, and The Elders Reply
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/mes ... 1035417954

Read Secret Conversion Parts 1-6
http://www.concernedmembers.com/editori ... ersion.htm

Isn't it just TOO PRESSHUSH for words that the "church ladies" who "wore beards" in the early literature to take over the ekklesia (church) in order to add music are NOW working miracles. And they ALL apparently confess that they are INSPIRED by the Devil and many return to Africa the source of later VOODOO.

What? Where? Well with ABSOLUTELY 0 information about MUSIC and the worship of a Spirit God on their side; and with 100% of the Biblical and historical data associating it with SATAN (Lucifer, Zoe) whose AGENTS were prostitutes or perverts, they are ENABLED by ADVANCED SCOUTS to sniff out places where they can WORK THE MIRACLE of the old SHELL GAME FROM HELL.

It is UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE without "suprnatural help" that most churches--including musical churches--were suddenly INFILTRATED and DIVERTED by the use of PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS whose persona from Eden onward has been of sexual perverts.

Re.13:14 And DECEIVETH them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast (stinging animals); saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound (a PLAGUE) by a sword, and did live.

The DECEIVERS are the WANDERING STARS reserved in judgment. They are the FALLEN ANGELS in all of the literature. When Israel engaged in perverted musical idolatry at Mount Sinai, God TURNED THEM OVER to worship the STARRY HOST. An important deity was Chiun or Saturn whose number is 666.

Jude links these congenital deceivers as VERY OLD AGENTS of Satan to The Book of Enoch. Enoch in turn links all of the EARTHLY ARTS including ENCHANTMENTS (music) to the WANDERING STARS (Dal, do you wander or wonder?). As I have noted, I have collected 36 major historical documents. They ALL link the MIRACLE POWER of SATAN to music and ASSURE US that God "will come with ten thousands of His saints to EXECUTE judgment" on these agents who introduced CHOIRS, INSTRUMENTS, CLERGY ROBES AND SEXUAL PERVERSION. God likewise came with these ten thousand at Mount Sinai and the Jews were under the CURSE of God now seen as the PATTERN for church.

ALL of the Jewish Monarchy period was God picking kings to lead them into CAPTIVITY AND DEATH as the sentence imposed at Mount Sinai because of musical idolatry. As we noted elsewhere they later fornicated and "worshipped" Baal-Peor by defecating in his presence. Psalm 106 repeats this history and says that they ATE these sacrifices. Wow. Maybe that is why Jesus CAST OUT the musical worship team LIKE DUNG??

Isn't it a miracle when David NEVER played instruments and sang as a WORSHIP LEADER? Worship was OUTSIDE THE CAMP in the synagogue or church in the wilderness which began under Moses where music was OUTLAWED.

Here is a typical example of David worshipping IN SPIRIT which is the ONLY PLACE God will meet us:

"I remembered God, and was troubled: I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed. Selah. Ps.77:3

--I call (Mention, burn incense) to remembrance my song (h5058) in the night:

--I commune with MINE OWN heart:

--and MY SPIRIT made diligent SEARCH. Psalm 77:6


SIYACH (H7878) see'-akh; a prim. root; to ponder, i. e. (by impl.) converse (with oneself, and hence aloud) or (trans.) utter: - commune, complain, declare, meditate, muse, pray, speak, talk (with).

Paul REALLY said that we could SPEAK TO OURSELVES if we use the Psalms to teach one another.

For we are the circumcision,
--which worship God IN the spirit,
--and rejoice in Christ Jesus,
--and have NO confidence in the flesh. Phil 3:3

Praying always with all prayer and supplication
--IN the SPIRIT,
--and watching thereunto with all perseverance
and supplication for all saints; Eph 6:18

But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith,
--PRAYING IN the Holy Spirit, Jude 20NKJV

I was IN the SPIRIT on the Lords day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Re.1:10

If the Bible has ANY credibility and if Jesus who called them THE SEED OF THE SERPENT, Cain was OF that Evil one, the SELF-SPEAKERS have the Devil as their "father," Satan fell (having fell) as lightening, the LOCUSTS (musical performers) and on and on, then you HAVE to believe that these MIRACLE WORKERS who can build a world-wide WORSHIP SCHEME on the practice which the Bible and all history says was INTRODUCED BY SATAN then they ARE the END TIME "Wandering Stars."

TheY try to MURDER the truth: don't believe that they will not be 10ERs if need be.

Judas who carried the JUDAS BAG for carrying the mouthpieces or tongues of the flute also speaks of "speaking in tongues" and "of the COSMOS" which belongs to Satan or the Kosmokrator.

SATAN is the father/mother of all musical, spectacle, dramatic "worship" which is IDOLATROUS false "worship." Their goal is to PERVERT the Word (Tithing) on each and every point. Only by being put into a schizophrenic state can the MUSICAL LOCUSTS seduce you and work the "miracle" from hell.

Just read these SMELLING, PERFUMED "song" and you will know what I mean.

Ken Sublett
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PreacherMan
PreacherMan

April 3rd, 2003, 12:45 am #4

of whatever your drinking....

You left out some very important satanic references:

It was Van Halen who was "Dancing with the Devil"...
Mitch Ryder who saw the "Devil in a Blue Dress",
and,
"The Devil Went Down to Georgia" with Charlie Daniels,
famous Satan worshipper.

Did you know that if you play "Stairway to Heaven" backwards it says, "The worship leaders are coming to take you away?"

Did you know the old Carpenter's hit "Close to You"
is about the worship leader in a sackcloth drawing near to the tower of Babel?

My personal favorite is the re-working of "Rock of Ages" by Def Leppard.

"Beer Barrel Polka" was written after a jewish bar mitzvah in which a man claimed he was a part of the Alan Parsons Project.

I knew it wouldn't take long to get to the root of our problems....

Elvis and The Beatles....

Thank you for all that you are doing to keep us on the George Strait and narrow....

The fifth Beatle,
Dal
Dal,

You had me laughing out loud with this post! Awesome! The best way to illustrate the absurdity of Sublett is by being absurd.

Sublett, you've got some serious problems, dude.

Later!

PreacherMan
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Lawrence N. Bennett
Lawrence N. Bennett

April 3rd, 2003, 4:21 pm #5

It had me laughing out loud too. That Dal's a funny guy and very absurd. You accomplished your illustration of absurdity also preacherman as well as immaturity and gleeful ignorance. I especially enjoyed your lines referencing "AWESOME" and "DUDE;DUDE". That sounds to me like the entire subject matter of yours and Dal's rebuttals. This might go to the Vipers Den but thats ok.

Thanks for the ENTERTAINMENT?

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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

April 3rd, 2003, 5:08 pm #6

SECRET CONVERSION PART 7

GIVE US A WORSHIP LEADER

One of the signs of the "church growth movement" is the presence of a "worship leader". What is a worship leader?

First, to understand what is happening, you must know about the World Council of Churches. One of its goals is to bring all Churches, Muslin, Christian, Buddhist, Wicca, occultist and pagan religions of all sorts together under one umbrella. They don't hide this.

It was determined around 1962 that the best way to accomplish this goal was through a charismatic and contemporary music format. The best way to implement these changes was through a slow and gradual infiltration, which has become known (among other things) as the "church growth movement."

What we see today, with the rise of the "worship leader," is one of the tools that brings about change in the church. Since "music" is the key to make all this happen, then the "worship leader" will also be the "music" leader.

These people think the word of God needs a little help to reach all the "‘unchurched’ and ‘disenchanted." The "worship leader” has also become a big part of their "outreach ministry."

One of the Deacons at my former church asked the Elders about "worship leaders." Now, these men claim not to be working in "lock step" with the "Church Growth movement," but they sure know about "worship leaders," This what they said:

"IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANNING ALL AREAS OF THE WORSHIP SERVICE
AND THEN PRESENTING THESE PLANS TO THE WORSHIP COMMITTEE. THIS INCLUDES
THE LORD’S SUPPER, GIVING, PRAYERS, AND THE READING OF THE LORD,S WORD AS
WELL AS THE SONG SERVICE"(4)
***********
This is a want ad for a "worship leader:"(3)

Job Description: St Matthew’s Lutheran Church is passionate about reaching out to the richly diverse and secular neighbors whom we share the freeway with. We are looking for a Minister of Worship & Celebration (Lay or Ordained) who is wired to empower heart-felt worship using today’s music, multi-media and the arts. We are a grace driven ministry that relies upon team building to reach those who normally would not check out church. We tend to be a bit irreverent. We bring our coffee into worship and do not tend to attract the squeaky clean. We are looking for a leader who knows it’s not about them
**********
There are magazines and web sites(3) dedicated to the “worship leader." This has become a big business. Here is an excerpt form a recent article in a "worship leader" magazine telling a little about what they believe:

The Spoken Voice
1. Speaking - Psalm 34:1 says, "I will extol the Lord at all times; his praise will always be on my lips."
2. Shouting - Psalm 27:6 says, "Then my head will be exalted above the enemies who surround me; at his tabernacle will I sacrifice with shouts of joy; I will sing and make music to the Lord."
3. Singing - Psalm 47:6 says, "Sing praises to God, sing praises to our King, sing praises."

Our Posture
1. Bowing - Psalm 95:6 says, "Come let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the Lord our Maker."
2. Standing - Psalm 119:120 says, "My flesh trembles in fear of you; I stand in awe of your laws."
3. Dancing - Psalm 149:3 says, "Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with tambourine and harp."

Our Hands
1. Playing Instruments - Psalm 33:2, 3 says, "Praise the Lord with the harp; make music to him on the ten stringed lyre. Sing to him a new song; play skillfully, and shout for joy."
2. Clapping - Psalm 47:1 says, "Clap your hands, all you nations; shout to God with cries of joy."
3. Lifting Hands - Psalm 63:4 says, "I will praise you as long as I live, and in your name I will lift up my hands."
**********
They always give David as their license, but, God tells us in Amos 6:5--Woe to those that act like David:

AMOS 6:5
"That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David;"

You may ask, is a "worship leader" Biblical? In a way, they are. You see God created the first "worship leader".

Ezekiel 28:13-16
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14 You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
16 By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones

Note: "tambrels" are tamborines and "pipes" are wind instruments.

It's no wonder that Satan is called the "enchanter." He has been using music from the very beginning to seduce his prey. It started early with the Bablyonian and Egyptian civilizations in which they would dance, clap, sing and play to their gods. The only thing most contemporary Churches are not doing presently is bringing the gods clean cloths everyday.

From the continent of Africa, where Voodoo chants called up the evil spirits to the shores of America , Satan has always been the user of music and the "worship leader" extraordinaire.

Isaiah14:11-12
11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, And the sound of your stringed instruments; The maggot is spread under you, And worms cover you.
12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

Let's take a look at how Satan uses others to seduce us with his music:

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From Musician Carlos Santana:

Santana admits that his success is tied to a spiritual entity. Santana also claims that he has contact with the spirits of musicians who have died, such as Jimi Hendrix and Miles Davis. Santana has claimed that other artists who participated on his album, Supernatural, were brought to him supernaturally to be a part of Metatron's project. He claimed that they heard his music, or were communicated to in dreams, and were told they were to be part of the project.(1)

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1)
************

Eminem is the most successful artist of the 21st century. His Marshall Mathers LP sold an incredible 1.76 million copies in its first week, which is the highest first-week sale for a solo artist in history:

" I take seven [kids] from [columbine] and stand 'em all in line. Add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine, a Mac-11 and this ought to solve this problem of mine. And that's a whole school of bullies shot up all of the time, 'cause I'm Shady…"

" I take each individual degenerate's head and reach into it, just to see if he's influenced by me, if he listens to music, and if he feeds into this sh**, he's an innocent victim, and becomes a puppet on the string…"
************
Rolling Stone admitted:

"A song or an album can change your life; a great concert will change it on the spot."
***********

Tori Amos, who said that Lucifer sits at her piano and helps her with her music, said:

" Music is the most powerful medium in the world because of the frequencies. You're hitting places in people that remind them that they are more than just this functional being."
***********

Science writer and composer, Robert Jourdain, wrote in his book, Music, The Brain And Ecstacy:

" Music seems to be the most immediate of all the arts. …Music possesses us. …It really is as if some 'other' has entered not just our bodies, but our intentions, taking us over."
**********

Medical Dr. and brain specialist, Richard Pellegrino, who is a consultant to the entertainment industry, wrote an article for Billboard Magazine , about the power of music. Dr. Pellegrino speaks of the incomparable power of music upon the human brain, stating that music has the uncanny power to:

"… trigger a flood of human emotions and images that have the ability to instantaneously produce very powerful changes in emotional states."

Pellegrino went on to declare:

" Take it from a brain guy. In 25 years of working with the brain, I still cannot affect a person's state of mind the way that one simple song can."
********

Eminem states in his song, Marshall Mathers:

"I think I was put here to…destroy your little 4-year-old boy or girl."
********

Frank Zappa, who was quite anti-Christ, said that when he saw a fish on the back of someone's car he identified them as the enemy. He also admitted to the incredible power and influence rock music has over the human race. In an article he wrote for Life Magazine, he stated:

"The ways in which sound affects the human organism are myriad and subtle. The loud sounds and bright lights of today are tremendous indoctrination tools.
********
AC/DC was up-front with their fans when they made it clear that they not only found their fame in a rock band by Satan's power, but that they desired to drag their listeners into eternal damnation with them, "if God's on the left, I'm on the right…I'm gonna take ya to hell…I'm gonna get'cha-Satan got 'cha, Hell's Bells…If you're into evil, you're a friend of mine."
********
Michael Jackson:

"When I hit the stage it’s all of a sudden a magic from somewhere that comes and the spirit just hits you, and you lose control of yourself."

"I wake up from dreams and go, ‘Wow! Put this down on paper!’ The whole thing is strange. You hear the words, everything is right there in front of your face. And you say to yourself, ‘I’m sorry, I just didn’t write this. It’s there already’. I feel that somewhere, someplace, it’s all been done, and I’m the courier bringing it into the world."
*******

From these two sites (1)(2) alone I count well over 85 well known and famous music performers in all areas of music, Christian, blues, and Rock N Roll, that profess to be Satanically driven, or use pagan symbolism in their performances.

This list includes people like Robert Johnson-The Father of Blues, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, and even Amy Grant!

Dear Lord, please forgive us for what we have brought into your Church.



(1) They Sold Their Souls For Rock N Roll
http://www.goodfight.org/
(2) What's Wrong With Christian Rock?
http://www.freedomministries.org.uk/godwin/index.shtml
(3) Experiencing Worship - A Resource Guide For the Worshiper and Worship Leader
http://www.experiencingworship.com/
(4) The Deacons Beg For Answers, and The Elders Reply
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/mes ... 1035417954

Read Secret Conversion Parts 1-6
http://www.concernedmembers.com/editori ... ersion.htm

The gift of A holy spirit is the gift of a CLEAR CONSCIOUSNESS or co-perception with the Word of Christ. This means that a CHRISTIAN is A DISCIPLE and a LISTENER to Jesus Christ the ONLY Teacher Who DIED to give us the FREE Word which He said "is SPIRIT and LIFE."

As a DISCIPLE the story of Lucifer rings the BELL after one second in the RING.

"All your pomp has been brought down to the grave, along with the noise of your HARPS; maggots are spread out beneath you and worms cover you. Is.14:11

--"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning STAR, son of the dawn! You have been CAST down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! Isaiah 14:12

----"For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isaiah 14:13

------"I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isaiah 14:14

IN THE SYMBOLISM OF THE TEMPLE HE WOULD INVADE THE HOLY PLACE AND THE MOST HOLY PLACE TO BE ONE OF THE CHERUBIM AGAIN. TAKING SINGERS OR MUSICIANS INTO THE "TYPE OF THE CHURCH" AND THE "HEAVENLY TABERNACLE" WAS A MORTAL SIN.

IN THE NEW TESTAMENT JESUS DEMANDS THAT ONLY HE SITS ON THE THRONE AND WE EITHER LISTEN TO LUCIFER THROUGH HIS MUSICIANS OR WE LISTEN TO JESUS CHRIST.

SO DON'T WORRY THAT THE "PREACHER-CREATURE" RESPONSE IS TO DESPISE YOUR BIBLICAL TEACHING.

"He that heareth you heareth me; and he that DESPISETH you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth HIM that SENT me. Luke 10:16

---And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the DEVILS are subject unto us through thy name. Luke 10:17

THESE ARE THE SAME DEMONS PAUL IN 1 COR 10 WARNED ABOUT. ISRAEL WORSHIPED THESE DEMONS WHEN THEY ROSE UP TO PLAY WHICH MEANS MUSICAL IDOLATRY WHICH ALWAYS SPOKE OF SEXUAL PERVERSION. For instance, you can CAST OUT THE TITHING DEMON just by exposing the PUBLICAN as a liar and repudiator of Jesus Christ and therefore a repudiator of God.

WHEN SATAN FALLS AFTER BEING SWATTED BY THE "SWORD OF THE SPIRIT" HE MAKES A LOT OF INARTICULATE GROANS AND CURSES BUT HE FALLS LIKE A TALL CEDAR TREE (ASSYRIA WAS THE "TALLEST" TREE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN)

----"And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning FALL from heaven. Luke 10:18

THE LIGHTENING IS LIKE A SHOOTING STAR:

Astrape (g796) as-trap-ay'; from 797; lightning; by anal. glare: - lightning, bright shining.

Astrapto (h797) as-trap'-to; prob. from 792; to flash as lightning: - lighten, shine.

STICKS (BATS) AND STONES MIGHT CRACK YOUR BONES BUT WORDS WILL NOT BLEED AWAY YOUR POWER THROUGH SPEAKING THE WORD:

---"Behold, I give unto you power to TREAD on serpents (artful malicious person) and SCORPIONS, and over all the power of the enemy (SATAN): and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Luke 10:19

A SCORPION IS:

--Skorpios (g4651) skor-pee'-os; prob. from an obsol. skerpo, (perh. strengthened from the base of 4649 (skeptic) and mean. to PIERCE); a "scorpion" (from its sting): - scorpion.

IN JOHN'S WORLD OF PATMOS HE COULD SEE THE GRAVE ISLAND OF "CIRCE" AS THE HOLY WHORE WHO USED MUSIC AND DRUGS (MAGICAL ENCHANTMENTS) TO SEDUCE AND THEN TURN HER DISCIPLES INTO "BEASTS" WHO LIVE IN THE DUST.

IN THE CLASSICAL MYTHS THE MUSES (REV 18) WERE SENT INTO SHEOL AS LOCUSTS. THEY WOULD BE RESURRECTED AS END-TIME "LOCUSTS": THEY WERE KNOWN AS "MUSICAL PERFORMERS" WHO PIERCED OR POLLUTED YOU WITH THEIR TAILS. UH! they also had "long hair" like scraggly beards?

A FLUTE RELATED TO LUCIFER, HALAL OR "VILE PRAISE" IS NAMED BECAUSE IT IS POLLUTED OR PIERCED:

--Chaliyl (h2485) khaw-leel'; from 2490; a flute (as PERFORATED): - pipe.

----2490 is to make self vile, to STEAL one's inheritance, to play the FLUTE, to pollute or PROSTITUTE.

YOU SEE, PART OF THE STINGING OF THE LOCUSTS WITH SCORPION TAILS IS TO CHASE YOU OUT OF YOUR CHURCH IF YOU HAVE THE "MARK OF THE WORD." HOWEVER, THOSE ALREADY MARKED BY THE STING OF MUSIC- INDUCED DRUGS ARE KEPT IN PLACE AND "TORTURED" MUCH LONGER. SURE, MUSIC WORKS BECAUSE THE "HIGH" IS PRODUCED BY "TORTURE" LIKE A RUNNER'S HIGH. Music "stings" you and injects a morphine- like drug through their "used needles."

THEY ARE MARKED BY SELF- CONFESSION OF BEING LIBERAL:

Skorpizo (g4650) skor-pid'-zo; appar. from the same as 4651 (through the idea of penetrating); to DISSIPATE, i.e. (fig.) put to FLIGHT, waste, be LIBERAL: - DISPERSE abroad, SCATTER (abroad).

IN THE END TIMES THE CHURCH OR CIRCE AS "HOLY WHORE"

--"And there came out of the smoke (Adulterate, a huckster) locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power ("public power"), as the scorpions of the earth have power. Rev 9:3

IN THE "DUDE" WORLD OF THE LOCUSTS PAUL DECLARED "I DON'T BLOW SMOKE."

--"For we are not as MANY, which CORRUPT the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we IN Christ. 2Co.2:17

JESUS IDENTIFIED THOSE WHO "SPEAK ON THEIR OWN" AS BEING OF THEIR "FATHER" THE DEVIL. HE SAID THAT THE SELF-SPEAK OF THE PHARISEES MADE THEM LIARS AND "THE SEED OF VIPERS."

LUCIFER WAS THE "WORSHIP LEADER" IN HEAVEN. HE DECIDED THAT HE COULD SEDUCE THE SPIRITUAL HOST. GOD, STEPPED ON HIS HEAD LIKE A RATTLESNAKE AND CAST (LIKE DUNG) HIM OUT OF HEAVEN.

HE BROUGHT HIS MUSICAL ENCHANTMENTS AS "WORSHIP LEADER" INTO THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND "WHOLLY SEDUCED" EVE WHILE "ADAM WENT WILLINGLY." OLDER WRITERS IN THE PERIOD OF THE "ORIGINAL" HEBREW OR CHALDEE IDENTIFY THE MUSIC-INDUCED "WORSHIP" AS SODOMY. THE SAME THING THEY TRIED ON JESUS WHEN THEY PIPED--JUST LIKE PROPHESIED IN PSALM 41. AND JUST LIKE WITH THE MIDIANITES AND BAAL- PEOR.

DON'T GO NEAR NO "WORSHIP LEADER": He is SEEKING worship for HIMSELF and HIS WORD, and therefore REPUDIATES JESUS which REPUDIATES GOD TOTALLY.

JESUS GAVE US POWER TO TREAD ON SPIRITUAL LOCUSTS (MUSICAL PERFORMERS WITH A PLAGUE-GIVING STING IN THEIR 'TAIL'] AND ALL THEY CAN 'SING' IS THE SQUEAK OF A LOCUST. THEIR FATHER (LUCIFER) OR MOTHER (ZOE) WOULD AT LEAST MISQUOTE SOME SCRIPTURE.

DON'T EVER BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE NOT SPRAYING ROACH POWDER. When the church emerges out of the SMOKE blown by JUBILEE and sister HOSTILE ASSUALTS nothing in history of music as an attack upon God's WORD gives them any hope of repenting (Heb 6)

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SECRET CONVERSION PART 7

GIVE US A WORSHIP LEADER

One of the signs of the "church growth movement" is the presence of a "worship leader". What is a worship leader?

First, to understand what is happening, you must know about the World Council of Churches. One of its goals is to bring all Churches, Muslin, Christian, Buddhist, Wicca, occultist and pagan religions of all sorts together under one umbrella. They don't hide this.

It was determined around 1962 that the best way to accomplish this goal was through a charismatic and contemporary music format. The best way to implement these changes was through a slow and gradual infiltration, which has become known (among other things) as the "church growth movement."

What we see today, with the rise of the "worship leader," is one of the tools that brings about change in the church. Since "music" is the key to make all this happen, then the "worship leader" will also be the "music" leader.

These people think the word of God needs a little help to reach all the "‘unchurched’ and ‘disenchanted." The "worship leader” has also become a big part of their "outreach ministry."

One of the Deacons at my former church asked the Elders about "worship leaders." Now, these men claim not to be working in "lock step" with the "Church Growth movement," but they sure know about "worship leaders," This what they said:

"IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANNING ALL AREAS OF THE WORSHIP SERVICE
AND THEN PRESENTING THESE PLANS TO THE WORSHIP COMMITTEE. THIS INCLUDES
THE LORD’S SUPPER, GIVING, PRAYERS, AND THE READING OF THE LORD,S WORD AS
WELL AS THE SONG SERVICE"(4)
***********
This is a want ad for a "worship leader:"(3)

Job Description: St Matthew’s Lutheran Church is passionate about reaching out to the richly diverse and secular neighbors whom we share the freeway with. We are looking for a Minister of Worship & Celebration (Lay or Ordained) who is wired to empower heart-felt worship using today’s music, multi-media and the arts. We are a grace driven ministry that relies upon team building to reach those who normally would not check out church. We tend to be a bit irreverent. We bring our coffee into worship and do not tend to attract the squeaky clean. We are looking for a leader who knows it’s not about them
**********
There are magazines and web sites(3) dedicated to the “worship leader." This has become a big business. Here is an excerpt form a recent article in a "worship leader" magazine telling a little about what they believe:

The Spoken Voice
1. Speaking - Psalm 34:1 says, "I will extol the Lord at all times; his praise will always be on my lips."
2. Shouting - Psalm 27:6 says, "Then my head will be exalted above the enemies who surround me; at his tabernacle will I sacrifice with shouts of joy; I will sing and make music to the Lord."
3. Singing - Psalm 47:6 says, "Sing praises to God, sing praises to our King, sing praises."

Our Posture
1. Bowing - Psalm 95:6 says, "Come let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the Lord our Maker."
2. Standing - Psalm 119:120 says, "My flesh trembles in fear of you; I stand in awe of your laws."
3. Dancing - Psalm 149:3 says, "Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with tambourine and harp."

Our Hands
1. Playing Instruments - Psalm 33:2, 3 says, "Praise the Lord with the harp; make music to him on the ten stringed lyre. Sing to him a new song; play skillfully, and shout for joy."
2. Clapping - Psalm 47:1 says, "Clap your hands, all you nations; shout to God with cries of joy."
3. Lifting Hands - Psalm 63:4 says, "I will praise you as long as I live, and in your name I will lift up my hands."
**********
They always give David as their license, but, God tells us in Amos 6:5--Woe to those that act like David:

AMOS 6:5
"That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David;"

You may ask, is a "worship leader" Biblical? In a way, they are. You see God created the first "worship leader".

Ezekiel 28:13-16
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14 You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
16 By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones

Note: "tambrels" are tamborines and "pipes" are wind instruments.

It's no wonder that Satan is called the "enchanter." He has been using music from the very beginning to seduce his prey. It started early with the Bablyonian and Egyptian civilizations in which they would dance, clap, sing and play to their gods. The only thing most contemporary Churches are not doing presently is bringing the gods clean cloths everyday.

From the continent of Africa, where Voodoo chants called up the evil spirits to the shores of America , Satan has always been the user of music and the "worship leader" extraordinaire.

Isaiah14:11-12
11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, And the sound of your stringed instruments; The maggot is spread under you, And worms cover you.
12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

Let's take a look at how Satan uses others to seduce us with his music:

************
From Musician Carlos Santana:

Santana admits that his success is tied to a spiritual entity. Santana also claims that he has contact with the spirits of musicians who have died, such as Jimi Hendrix and Miles Davis. Santana has claimed that other artists who participated on his album, Supernatural, were brought to him supernaturally to be a part of Metatron's project. He claimed that they heard his music, or were communicated to in dreams, and were told they were to be part of the project.(1)

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1)
************

Eminem is the most successful artist of the 21st century. His Marshall Mathers LP sold an incredible 1.76 million copies in its first week, which is the highest first-week sale for a solo artist in history:

" I take seven [kids] from [columbine] and stand 'em all in line. Add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine, a Mac-11 and this ought to solve this problem of mine. And that's a whole school of bullies shot up all of the time, 'cause I'm Shady…"

" I take each individual degenerate's head and reach into it, just to see if he's influenced by me, if he listens to music, and if he feeds into this sh**, he's an innocent victim, and becomes a puppet on the string…"
************
Rolling Stone admitted:

"A song or an album can change your life; a great concert will change it on the spot."
***********

Tori Amos, who said that Lucifer sits at her piano and helps her with her music, said:

" Music is the most powerful medium in the world because of the frequencies. You're hitting places in people that remind them that they are more than just this functional being."
***********

Science writer and composer, Robert Jourdain, wrote in his book, Music, The Brain And Ecstacy:

" Music seems to be the most immediate of all the arts. …Music possesses us. …It really is as if some 'other' has entered not just our bodies, but our intentions, taking us over."
**********

Medical Dr. and brain specialist, Richard Pellegrino, who is a consultant to the entertainment industry, wrote an article for Billboard Magazine , about the power of music. Dr. Pellegrino speaks of the incomparable power of music upon the human brain, stating that music has the uncanny power to:

"… trigger a flood of human emotions and images that have the ability to instantaneously produce very powerful changes in emotional states."

Pellegrino went on to declare:

" Take it from a brain guy. In 25 years of working with the brain, I still cannot affect a person's state of mind the way that one simple song can."
********

Eminem states in his song, Marshall Mathers:

"I think I was put here to…destroy your little 4-year-old boy or girl."
********

Frank Zappa, who was quite anti-Christ, said that when he saw a fish on the back of someone's car he identified them as the enemy. He also admitted to the incredible power and influence rock music has over the human race. In an article he wrote for Life Magazine, he stated:

"The ways in which sound affects the human organism are myriad and subtle. The loud sounds and bright lights of today are tremendous indoctrination tools.
********
AC/DC was up-front with their fans when they made it clear that they not only found their fame in a rock band by Satan's power, but that they desired to drag their listeners into eternal damnation with them, "if God's on the left, I'm on the right…I'm gonna take ya to hell…I'm gonna get'cha-Satan got 'cha, Hell's Bells…If you're into evil, you're a friend of mine."
********
Michael Jackson:

"When I hit the stage it’s all of a sudden a magic from somewhere that comes and the spirit just hits you, and you lose control of yourself."

"I wake up from dreams and go, ‘Wow! Put this down on paper!’ The whole thing is strange. You hear the words, everything is right there in front of your face. And you say to yourself, ‘I’m sorry, I just didn’t write this. It’s there already’. I feel that somewhere, someplace, it’s all been done, and I’m the courier bringing it into the world."
*******

From these two sites (1)(2) alone I count well over 85 well known and famous music performers in all areas of music, Christian, blues, and Rock N Roll, that profess to be Satanically driven, or use pagan symbolism in their performances.

This list includes people like Robert Johnson-The Father of Blues, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, and even Amy Grant!

Dear Lord, please forgive us for what we have brought into your Church.



(1) They Sold Their Souls For Rock N Roll
http://www.goodfight.org/
(2) What's Wrong With Christian Rock?
http://www.freedomministries.org.uk/godwin/index.shtml
(3) Experiencing Worship - A Resource Guide For the Worshiper and Worship Leader
http://www.experiencingworship.com/
(4) The Deacons Beg For Answers, and The Elders Reply
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/mes ... 1035417954

Read Secret Conversion Parts 1-6
http://www.concernedmembers.com/editori ... ersion.htm

The NASHVILLE CHURCH which still hasn't added CHRIST back into their title have written an interesting article which FITS MADISON. READ IT:

http://www.nashvillechurch.org/

Madison's elders are going to have to face it sooner or later!!

We have noted that some of the earliest sneak thieves stealing non-insrumental churches have strong CROSS ROADS roots. The Tulsa Workshop began with strong Boston Church of Christ or the International Church of Christ leanings.

Christianity Today announces that Kip McKean the leading light-snuffer after Chuck Lucas has resigned. Personal and family problems caused him to ZERO OUT. Of course, all CHURCH GROWTH schemes are built as a CULT of strong central leadership.

"Baird, the icoc's top spokesman, said the changes taking place at the icoc are "not over doctrinal issues, but over growth issues." RightCyberUp says that from 1999 to 2001, for every five people baptized into the icoc, another four left, causing the movement's high rate of growth to decline sharply."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/003/15.26.html

Guess what! They have discovered that congregational autonomy might have been right all along. Of course with movements such as JUBILEE and the MUSICAL MENTORING of worship leaders the intention is to GROW a group depending on headquarters. In the end they all contain the SEED OF THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.

Here is a search result in chase you need RECOVERY:

http://search.netscape.com/nscp_results ... CPRedirect

About the time the Laughing Revival, the Jubilee, the Cane Ridge Restoration and others began, the Crossroads group made a new push. You might want to check the pedigrees of some of your INFILTRATORS and DIVERTERS. Some of them seem unusually bound to Don Finto and Rubel Shelly who with Flatt and a little help from their friend-Max Lucado-seemed like were trying to organize ALL CHRISTENDOM as the first SECTARIANIZING the church with music.

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April 9th, 2003, 9:52 pm #8

SECRET CONVERSION PART 7

GIVE US A WORSHIP LEADER

One of the signs of the "church growth movement" is the presence of a "worship leader". What is a worship leader?

First, to understand what is happening, you must know about the World Council of Churches. One of its goals is to bring all Churches, Muslin, Christian, Buddhist, Wicca, occultist and pagan religions of all sorts together under one umbrella. They don't hide this.

It was determined around 1962 that the best way to accomplish this goal was through a charismatic and contemporary music format. The best way to implement these changes was through a slow and gradual infiltration, which has become known (among other things) as the "church growth movement."

What we see today, with the rise of the "worship leader," is one of the tools that brings about change in the church. Since "music" is the key to make all this happen, then the "worship leader" will also be the "music" leader.

These people think the word of God needs a little help to reach all the "‘unchurched’ and ‘disenchanted." The "worship leader” has also become a big part of their "outreach ministry."

One of the Deacons at my former church asked the Elders about "worship leaders." Now, these men claim not to be working in "lock step" with the "Church Growth movement," but they sure know about "worship leaders," This what they said:

"IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANNING ALL AREAS OF THE WORSHIP SERVICE
AND THEN PRESENTING THESE PLANS TO THE WORSHIP COMMITTEE. THIS INCLUDES
THE LORD’S SUPPER, GIVING, PRAYERS, AND THE READING OF THE LORD,S WORD AS
WELL AS THE SONG SERVICE"(4)
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This is a want ad for a "worship leader:"(3)

Job Description: St Matthew’s Lutheran Church is passionate about reaching out to the richly diverse and secular neighbors whom we share the freeway with. We are looking for a Minister of Worship & Celebration (Lay or Ordained) who is wired to empower heart-felt worship using today’s music, multi-media and the arts. We are a grace driven ministry that relies upon team building to reach those who normally would not check out church. We tend to be a bit irreverent. We bring our coffee into worship and do not tend to attract the squeaky clean. We are looking for a leader who knows it’s not about them
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There are magazines and web sites(3) dedicated to the “worship leader." This has become a big business. Here is an excerpt form a recent article in a "worship leader" magazine telling a little about what they believe:

The Spoken Voice
1. Speaking - Psalm 34:1 says, "I will extol the Lord at all times; his praise will always be on my lips."
2. Shouting - Psalm 27:6 says, "Then my head will be exalted above the enemies who surround me; at his tabernacle will I sacrifice with shouts of joy; I will sing and make music to the Lord."
3. Singing - Psalm 47:6 says, "Sing praises to God, sing praises to our King, sing praises."

Our Posture
1. Bowing - Psalm 95:6 says, "Come let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the Lord our Maker."
2. Standing - Psalm 119:120 says, "My flesh trembles in fear of you; I stand in awe of your laws."
3. Dancing - Psalm 149:3 says, "Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with tambourine and harp."

Our Hands
1. Playing Instruments - Psalm 33:2, 3 says, "Praise the Lord with the harp; make music to him on the ten stringed lyre. Sing to him a new song; play skillfully, and shout for joy."
2. Clapping - Psalm 47:1 says, "Clap your hands, all you nations; shout to God with cries of joy."
3. Lifting Hands - Psalm 63:4 says, "I will praise you as long as I live, and in your name I will lift up my hands."
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They always give David as their license, but, God tells us in Amos 6:5--Woe to those that act like David:

AMOS 6:5
"That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David;"

You may ask, is a "worship leader" Biblical? In a way, they are. You see God created the first "worship leader".

Ezekiel 28:13-16
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14 You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
16 By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones

Note: "tambrels" are tamborines and "pipes" are wind instruments.

It's no wonder that Satan is called the "enchanter." He has been using music from the very beginning to seduce his prey. It started early with the Bablyonian and Egyptian civilizations in which they would dance, clap, sing and play to their gods. The only thing most contemporary Churches are not doing presently is bringing the gods clean cloths everyday.

From the continent of Africa, where Voodoo chants called up the evil spirits to the shores of America , Satan has always been the user of music and the "worship leader" extraordinaire.

Isaiah14:11-12
11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, And the sound of your stringed instruments; The maggot is spread under you, And worms cover you.
12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

Let's take a look at how Satan uses others to seduce us with his music:

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From Musician Carlos Santana:

Santana admits that his success is tied to a spiritual entity. Santana also claims that he has contact with the spirits of musicians who have died, such as Jimi Hendrix and Miles Davis. Santana has claimed that other artists who participated on his album, Supernatural, were brought to him supernaturally to be a part of Metatron's project. He claimed that they heard his music, or were communicated to in dreams, and were told they were to be part of the project.(1)

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1)
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Eminem is the most successful artist of the 21st century. His Marshall Mathers LP sold an incredible 1.76 million copies in its first week, which is the highest first-week sale for a solo artist in history:

" I take seven [kids] from [columbine] and stand 'em all in line. Add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine, a Mac-11 and this ought to solve this problem of mine. And that's a whole school of bullies shot up all of the time, 'cause I'm Shady…"

" I take each individual degenerate's head and reach into it, just to see if he's influenced by me, if he listens to music, and if he feeds into this sh**, he's an innocent victim, and becomes a puppet on the string…"
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Rolling Stone admitted:

"A song or an album can change your life; a great concert will change it on the spot."
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Tori Amos, who said that Lucifer sits at her piano and helps her with her music, said:

" Music is the most powerful medium in the world because of the frequencies. You're hitting places in people that remind them that they are more than just this functional being."
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Science writer and composer, Robert Jourdain, wrote in his book, Music, The Brain And Ecstacy:

" Music seems to be the most immediate of all the arts. …Music possesses us. …It really is as if some 'other' has entered not just our bodies, but our intentions, taking us over."
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Medical Dr. and brain specialist, Richard Pellegrino, who is a consultant to the entertainment industry, wrote an article for Billboard Magazine , about the power of music. Dr. Pellegrino speaks of the incomparable power of music upon the human brain, stating that music has the uncanny power to:

"… trigger a flood of human emotions and images that have the ability to instantaneously produce very powerful changes in emotional states."

Pellegrino went on to declare:

" Take it from a brain guy. In 25 years of working with the brain, I still cannot affect a person's state of mind the way that one simple song can."
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Eminem states in his song, Marshall Mathers:

"I think I was put here to…destroy your little 4-year-old boy or girl."
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Frank Zappa, who was quite anti-Christ, said that when he saw a fish on the back of someone's car he identified them as the enemy. He also admitted to the incredible power and influence rock music has over the human race. In an article he wrote for Life Magazine, he stated:

"The ways in which sound affects the human organism are myriad and subtle. The loud sounds and bright lights of today are tremendous indoctrination tools.
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AC/DC was up-front with their fans when they made it clear that they not only found their fame in a rock band by Satan's power, but that they desired to drag their listeners into eternal damnation with them, "if God's on the left, I'm on the right…I'm gonna take ya to hell…I'm gonna get'cha-Satan got 'cha, Hell's Bells…If you're into evil, you're a friend of mine."
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Michael Jackson:

"When I hit the stage it’s all of a sudden a magic from somewhere that comes and the spirit just hits you, and you lose control of yourself."

"I wake up from dreams and go, ‘Wow! Put this down on paper!’ The whole thing is strange. You hear the words, everything is right there in front of your face. And you say to yourself, ‘I’m sorry, I just didn’t write this. It’s there already’. I feel that somewhere, someplace, it’s all been done, and I’m the courier bringing it into the world."
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From these two sites (1)(2) alone I count well over 85 well known and famous music performers in all areas of music, Christian, blues, and Rock N Roll, that profess to be Satanically driven, or use pagan symbolism in their performances.

This list includes people like Robert Johnson-The Father of Blues, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, and even Amy Grant!

Dear Lord, please forgive us for what we have brought into your Church.



(1) They Sold Their Souls For Rock N Roll
http://www.goodfight.org/
(2) What's Wrong With Christian Rock?
http://www.freedomministries.org.uk/godwin/index.shtml
(3) Experiencing Worship - A Resource Guide For the Worshiper and Worship Leader
http://www.experiencingworship.com/
(4) The Deacons Beg For Answers, and The Elders Reply
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/mes ... 1035417954

Read Secret Conversion Parts 1-6
http://www.concernedmembers.com/editori ... ersion.htm

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KENNETH STATES: LISTEN TO EITHER LUCIFER THROUGH HIS MUSICIANS OR JESUS CHRIST
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[[[“““The gift of “a” holy spirit is the gift of a CLEAR CONSCIOUSNESS or co-perception with the Word of Christ. This means that a CHRISTIAN is a DISCIPLE and a LISTENER to Jesus Christ the ONLY Teacher Who DIED to give us the FREE Word, which He said "is SPIRIT and LIFE."

As a DISCIPLE, the story of Lucifer rings the BELL after one second in the RING.

“[11] Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. [12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! [13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: [14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.” (KJV: Isaiah 14)

In the SYMBOLISM of the TEMPLE, he would invade THE HOLY PLACE and THE MOST HOLY PLACE to be one of the cherubim again. Taking SINGERS OR MUSICIANS into the "TYPE” of the CHURCH and the "HEAVENLY TABERNACLE" was a MORTAL SIN.

In the NEW TESTAMENT, JESUS demands that ONLY HE sits on the THRONE, and EITHER: (1) WE LISTEN TO LUCIFER THROUGH HIS MUSICIANS, or (2) WE LISTEN TO JESUS CHRIST.””” … Kenneth Sublett]]]
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BUT MR. SUBLETT: FOR THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY AND EDIFYING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST, GOD DID “GIVE US” APOSTLES, EVANGELISTS AND WORSHIP LEADERS.
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Sorry for misquoting! In what we call the Lord’s prayer in Matthew chapter 6, the portion that states, “Give us this day our daily bread,” reminds me of the topic of this thread, “GIVE US A WORSHIP LEADER.” Of course, that same passage speaks of: our praying to our Father in secret, not using vain repetitions, and not acting as hypocrites in fasting.

Kenneth, I’d go beyond your subject of “Give Us a Worthless Leader” by expanding it a little bit to: “Give Us an Unauthorized [Worthless] Worship Leader.” There’s scriptural proof for this in that what God has prescribed for us is sufficient “FOR THE PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS, FOR THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY, FOR THE EDIFYING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST.” Here is the passage in its entirety:

“[3] Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. [4] There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; [5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism, [6] One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. [ [11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; [12] FOR THE PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS, FOR THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY, FOR THE EDIFYING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: [14] That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; [15] But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ.” (KJV: Ephesians 4)

We will leave it to God and the scriptures to judge what worship leaders have accomplished for themselves and how they have burdened and hindered today’s churches, which are experiencing unnecessary conflicts and divisions because of their “ministry efforts.” The information below, gleaned from original sources, should honestly speak of THE WORSHIP LEADER of the Madison Church of Christ. Whether or not this information will trigger arguments for or against this critical issue, let the story begin:
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[[[“““WELCOME to the online home of Acappella Ministries...

It's our pleasure to have you join us for a while. Acappella Ministries began in the early 1980's as a dream of a young Keith Lancaster. He knew that God had blessed him with a dream to spread the Gospel to the world through unique, a cappella music. He had the music and the Gospel. The hard part was taking it to the world. All he had was a family, a station wagon, some singers, and a lot of prayers. God blessed his vision and efforts.

20 years later, the dream continues, and the world has gotten a lot smaller. Acappella has covered most of it. The Vocal Union is doing their part. When you add in The Firemen, X-Changed, and our new Hispanic group, Voces, the world looks more like a neighborhood. We're doing our best to knock on every door. Let us share with you our vision. Join us as we strive to reach the world for Jesus Christ through the medium of unique a cappella Christian music.

Feel free to browse around through our site. Every aspect of our ministry is addressed within this web site, and many of them will have links to their own homepage, such as Acappella and others. Rather than including a search function, we have included a site map available at the top of every page. Enjoy...”””]]]

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[[[“““While still heavily involved with leadership in The Acappella Company, Keith also works as a Worship Minister in the Nashville area. You can find him every weekend before more than 3000 people at the Madison Church Of Christ. He is also director of a small singing group at David Lipscomb University."""]]]

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Keith began his ministry with Madison on November 22, 1998. He claims Paris, TN, as his home town. Keith has a degree in ministry and has been involved in music ministry for the past 23 years. He is the founder and chairman of Acappella Ministries and producer of the singing group ACAPPELLA. While he continues to manage and produce this male quartet, he has been conducting worship seminars for churches around the world. Keith is a song writer as well."""]]]
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April 10th, 2003, 2:57 pm #9

Donnie,

I’ve known you at a distance for about 18 months. I’ve spoken with you face to face on a few occasions. I’ve always been cordial and polite to you. I’ve offered to study with you to find the truth in God’s Word, but you have chosen not to do that. Your anger with Keith Lancaster and his role at Madison seems to have consumed you. This last post is evidence of how the devil has distorted your mind and heart. You have chosen the scripture. Now let it speak to your heart. Here it is in its entirety in a basic English translation. Feel free to use any translation including the original Greek if you choose. The message is the same. The words in “UPPERCASE ARE FOR EMPHASIS.”

Eph 4:1 I, a prisoner in the Lord, encourage you to live the kind of life which proves that God has called you.
EPH 4:2 BE HUMBLE AND GENTLE IN EVERY WAY. BE PATIENT WITH EACH OTHER AND LOVINGLY ACCEPT EACH OTHER.
EPH 4:3 THROUGH THE PEACE THAT TIES YOU TOGETHER, DO YOUR BEST TO MAINTAIN THE UNITY THAT THE SPIRIT GIVES.
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit. In the same way you were called to share one hope.
Eph 4:5 There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over everything, through everything, and in everything.
Eph 4:7 God's favor has been given to each of us. It was measured out to us by Christ who gave it.
Eph 4:8 That's why the Scriptures say: "When he went to the highest place, he took captive those who had captured us and gave gifts to people."
Eph 4:9 Now what does it mean that he went up except that he also had gone down to the lowest parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 The one who had gone down also went up above all the heavens so that he fills everything.
Eph 4:11 He also gave apostles, prophets, missionaries, as well as pastors and teachers as gifts to his church.
EPH 4:12 THEIR PURPOSE IS TO PREPARE GOD'S PEOPLE, TO SERVE, AND TO BUILD UP THE BODY OF CHRIST.
EPH 4:13 THIS IS TO CONTINUE UNTIL ALL OF US ARE UNITED IN OUR FAITH AND IN OUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT GOD'S SON, UNTIL WE BECOME MATURE, UNTIL WE MEASURE UP TO CHRIST, WHO IS THE STANDARD.
EPH 4:14 THEN WE WILL NO LONGER BE LITTLE CHILDREN, TOSSED AND CARRIED ABOUT BY ALL KINDS OF TEACHINGS THAT CHANGE LIKE THE WIND. WE WILL NO LONGER BE INFLUENCED BY PEOPLE WHO USE CUNNING AND CLEVER STRATEGIES TO LEAD US ASTRAY.
EPH 4:15 INSTEAD, AS WE LOVINGLY SPEAK THE TRUTH, WE WILL GROW UP COMPLETELY IN OUR RELATIONSHIP TO CHRIST, WHO IS THE HEAD.
EPH 4:16 HE MAKES THE WHOLE BODY FIT TOGETHER AND UNITES IT THROUGH THE SUPPORT OF EVERY JOINT. AS EACH AND EVERY PART DOES ITS JOB, HE MAKES THE BODY GROW SO THAT IT BUILDS ITSELF UP IN LOVE.
EPH 4:17 SO I TELL YOU AND ENCOURAGE YOU IN THE LORD'S NAME NOT TO LIVE ANY LONGER LIKE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. THEIR MINDS ARE SET ON WORTHLESS THINGS.
EPH 4:18 THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE DARK. THEY ARE EXCLUDED FROM THE LIFE THAT GOD APPROVES OF BECAUSE OF THEIR IGNORANCE AND STUBBORNNESS.
Eph 4:19 Since they no longer have any sense of shame, they have become promiscuous. They practice every kind of sexual perversion with a constant desire for more.
Eph 4:20 But that is not what you learned from Christ's teachings.
Eph 4:21 You have certainly heard his message and have been taught his ways. The truth is in Jesus.
Eph 4:22 You were taught to change the way you were living. The person you used to be will ruin you through desires that deceive you.
EPH 4:23 HOWEVER, YOU WERE TAUGHT TO HAVE A NEW ATTITUDE.
RIGHTEOUS AND HOLY. EPH 4:24 YOU WERE ALSO TAUGHT TO BECOME A NEW PERSON CREATED TO BE LIKE GOD, TRULY
EPH 4:25 SO THEN, GET RID OF LIES. SPEAK THE TRUTH TO EACH OTHER, BECAUSE WE ARE ALL MEMBERS OF THE SAME BODY.
EPH 4:26 BE ANGRY WITHOUT SINNING. DON'T GO TO BED ANGRY.
EPH 4:27 DON'T GIVE THE DEVIL ANY OPPORTUNITY TO WORK.
Eph 4:28 Thieves must quit stealing and, instead, they must work hard. They should do something good with their hands so that they'll have something to share with those in need.
EPH 4:29 DON'T SAY ANYTHING THAT WOULD HURT ANOTHER PERSON. INSTEAD, SPEAK ONLY WHAT IS GOOD SO THAT YOU CAN GIVE HELP WHEREVER IT IS NEEDED. THAT WAY, WHAT YOU SAY WILL HELP THOSE WHO HEAR YOU.
EPH 4:30 DON'T GIVE GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT ANY REASON TO BE UPSET WITH YOU. HE HAS PUT HIS SEAL ON YOU FOR THE DAY YOU WILL BE SET FREE FROM THE WORLD OF SIN.
EPH 4:31 GET RID OF YOUR BITTERNESS, HOT TEMPERS, ANGER, LOUD QUARRELING, CURSING, AND HATRED.
EPH 4:32 BE KIND TO EACH OTHER, SYMPATHETIC, FORGIVING EACH OTHER AS GOD HAS FORGIVEN YOU THROUGH CHRIST.

Donnie, I pray that God will deliver you from your torment. I pray that He will open your eyes and reveal to you how you can serve Him and Him only. I pray that He will bless you richly with opportunities to serve Him and wisdom to discern what opportunity truly looks like. I pray that you will come to Him daily as an empty vessel for His use. I pray that you will come with no preconceived ideas of what God wants from you today. Just be available to serve Him with every fiber of your being.

Your brother in Christ,

Chuck Sonn

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April 10th, 2003, 4:58 pm #10

Chuck,

With little amount of time that I have, let me respond to your defense of this contemporary CONCEPT of “WORSHIP LEADER,” which in itself is a usurpation of the authority of Christ. Hopefully, I will have more time to continue this discourse soon. Above all, let me assure you that I have the full confidence in what the Holy Scripture teaches, and, yes, as a soldier of Christ, I detest it when known and prominent teachers and leaders compromise and twist the truth to further their agenda and popularity and pride and business endeavors. I have nothing against Keith Lancaster as a human being. In fact, I “voted” for him a million times when a “song leader” was about to be selected at the time. There was not the slightest hint then as to which direction he was taking the Madison body. Just to make the story short, you know what have been the developments in recent months.

You, Chuck, and others are in this dream world and convinced that the eventual upheaval at Madison did not occur as a result of the gradual and subtle culture-driven church growth scheme endorsed and implemented by the church’s leadership. You need to stop denying the FACT that 90% of church conflicts evolves and is due to worship issues. And you and Keith Lancaster and the WORSHIP committee of Keith and [ONLY ONE OF several elders] Buck Dozier … are not willing to give it a try resorting to the WORKABLE worship format of the past -– NO WORSHIP LEADER, NO MUSICIANS (KEITH’S PRAISE TEAM OR CHOIR) -– just plain congregational singing at its best efforts.

To start with, let me just state these few statements as they relate to the entire fourth chapter of Ephesians, which I strongly believe in, but which Keith Lancaster needs to look at more deeply:

--- HUMILITY and LOVINGLY ACCEPTING EACH OTHER. As much as your WORSHIP LEADER is “sincerely” stating, “give all the praise to God and not to me,” he continues to be full of pride and ego as a masterful musician of musicians. It’s time he accepts and admits the fact that the introduction of this “contemporary worship format” as an alternative has driven away many of his brethren in Christ. Does he really believe this “lovingly accepting each other” bit, or is he more concerned about continuing to advertise his musical talent?

--- MAINTAINING THE UNITY THAT THE SPIRIT GIVES. There may be UNION in having separate and different worship formats –- “TRADITIONAL” and “CONTEMPORARY” … but there is definitely not “UNITY OF THE SPIRIT IN THE BOND OF PEACE.” There is no UNITY in DIVERSITY!!!

--- GAVE US “WORSHIP LEADERS.” Nowhere to be found! “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors [elders] and teachers. (Ephesians 4:11, KJV) Jesus, the mediator and High Priest, is the ONLY worship leader and the only one to “CALL us to worship.” Jesus said so, in our worship of the Father in heaven, in John 4:21, 23-24: “Jesus saith … But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”

--- MEASURE UP TO CHRIST, WHO IS THE STANDARD. Indeed! Indeed! Keith’s and the PRAISE TEAM’s performances are NOT THE STANDARD.

--- “TOSSED AND CARRIED ABOUT BY ALL KINDS OF TEACHINGS THAT CHANGE LIKE THE WIND [definitely like 'navigating the winds of CHANGE']. WE WILL NO LONGER BE INFLUENCED BY PEOPLE [church leaders who have succumbed] WHO USE CUNNING AND CLEVER STRATEGIES TO LEAD US ASTRAY." Self-explanatory, isn’t it?

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