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You state above;Brother Rhoades,
In your post you state:
"Follow the memberships!" and then go on to say (and I've included the whole paragraph for a reason),
"Most of the ecumenical movement shakers today are members. The Willocreeks, The Saddlebacks, The Promise Keepers, the Catholic Church, and the Christian Church, The Methodists, Billy Graham and on and on. There are many smaller unknown organizations as well."
Later you point out 21st Century Christian puts their name on materials written by the Christian Church.
Since I want to believe you have the best of intentions I'd simply like to point out your statements that I've quoted or mentioned above contain a number of errors. If one goes to the site for the National Council of Churches and the World Council of Churches links to the "member churches" are readily available.
World Council of Churches: http://wcc-coe.org/wcc/who/mch-e.html
National Council of Churches: http://www.ncccusa.org/members/index.html
A quick review of these sites reveals this about members and non-members.
Members of the National Council of Churches: Methodist (four types) and the Christian Church (Disciples)
NOT members of the National Council of Churches: Willowcreek, Saddleback (SBC), Catholic Church, and Christian Church/Churches of Christ (also known as Independent).
Of the churches you listed, only two are actually members. A great batting average but here it is misleading.
Members of the World Council of Churches (North America) reveals the same.
Simply as a matter of accuracy it would better not to speak of a church or a group of churches holding membership in an organization where they do not have such membership.
Also, the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and the Christian Church/Churches of Christ (Independent) have little more in common than the Disciples and the Churches of Christ (non-instrumental). To leave the impression the Disciples and the Independents are the same is, at the very least, a gross misunderstanding of their relationship.
Wow. I don't usually follow these kinds of online blogs. They lead exactly nowhere. They are an end unto themselves and have very little if any redeeming value or even collateral spirituality. This one is no different. I'm going to have my one say and then I won't post again. All of this smacks of prideful, vain self-promotion. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. You are writing daily "books" of information that has no hope of saving a single lost soul or encouraging a single hurting heart. If you spent have the energy on the "weightier" matters, heaven would be singing joyfully over the lost souls that have been redeemed. You sound like a bunch of Pharisees trying to see who has the biggest and best refence Bible. Paul understood what was really important and told the church at Colasse as much as a preface to combatting heresy in that church:Why did you STOP and NOT quote THE meaning of the Covenant of Grace given by the promise of the Spirit of Christ in order to be a true ISRAELITE and NOT a Jews under the Law of Moses as a curse?
Abraham lived under a COVENANT OF GRACE: he was justified by faith because he obeyed God's laws and commands.
- <font color=red>Gal 3:26 FOR ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 FOR as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christs, then are ye Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise. </font>
Ezek 20:6 In the day that I lifted up mine hand unto them,
- God brought Israel out of Egypt and gave them a restatement of that called The Book of the Covenant.
The people repudiated Grace by rising up to PLAY in musical worship of the trinity. The Law of Moses to legislate for the lawless was BECAUSE OF MUSICAL IDOLATRY.
God saw this as their PRAYER to return to paganism. Therefore, Stephen and many others say that God TURNED THEM OVER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOSTS.
The Book of the Covenant was revoked, the tablets broken and restated to fit the Jew's new PAGANISM.
The SABBATH never meant A DAY OF WORSHIP: both some FIRST DAYS and later all "one out of seven" days was to hold a Holy Convocation. That meant to REST and READ or REHEARSE the Word which any APT elder could do from memory.
This was to QUARANTINE the Isralites FROM the SABBATH day "worship" which was BABYLONIAN as was the TITHE. The Babylonian worship was--like modern churchianity--where the people SERVED the gods by serving the AGENTS of the "gods" with food, drink, singing, dancing and sexual and homosexual pleasures.
The SABBATH meant REST just as Jesus died to give us REST from the burdens laded on by the self-serving clergy. REST in the literature means: "Stop the singing, stop the instruments, stop the rhetoric and just REST." SABBATH outlaws "sending out ministers" and "speaking your own words."
Ezek 20:7 Then said I unto them,
- to bring them forth of the land of Egypt
into a land that I had espied for them, flowing with milk and honey,
which is the glory of all lands:
- Cast ye away every man the abominations of his eyes,
and defile not yourselves with the idols of Egypt:
I am the Lord your God.
Ezek 20:8 But they rebelled against me,
- <font color=blue>Shiqquwc (h8251) shik-koots'; or shiqquc shik-koots'; from 8262; disgusting, i. e. filthy; espec. idolatrous or (concr.) an idol: - abominable filth (idol, -ation), detestable (thing)</font>
Ezek 20:9 But I wrought for my names sake,
- and would not hearken unto me:
they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes,
neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said,
I will pour out my fury upon them,
to accomplish my anger against them
in the midst of the land of Egypt.
Ezek 20:10 Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt,
- that it should not be polluted before the heathen,
among whom they were, in whose sight
I made myself known unto them,
in bringing them forth out of the land of Egypt.
<font color=red>God gave the ten words and the oral version of The Book of The Covenant. </font>
- and brought them into the wilderness.
This directly connects the promise made to Abraham and Jesus as the SEED. We become HEIRS of the promise by being baptized into Christ.
Ezek 20:11 And I gave them my statutes,
Ezek 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths,
- and shewed them my judgments,
which if a man do, he shall even live in them.
Ezek 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness:
- to be a sign between me and them,
that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.
Ezek 20:14 But I wrought for my names sake,
- they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments,
which if a man do, he shall even live in them;
and my sabbaths they greatly polluted:
then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.
<font color=red>The righteous decision would be to leave Israel in the wilderness. Again, god had to protect His people to protect His Name: </font>
- that it should not be polluted before the heathen, in whose sight I brought them out.
Ezek 20:15 Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness,
Ezek 20:16 Because they despised my judgments,
- that I would NOT bring them into the land which I had given them,
flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands;
The word POLLUTED is the same word defining how Lucifer was CAST OUT of heaven and how Jesus CAST OUT the musical ministrels--like one ejects dung:
- and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths:
for their heart went after their idols.
Ezek 20:17 Nevertheless mine eye spared them from destroying them,
- <font color=blue>Chalal (h2490) khaw-lal'; to wound, to dissolve; fig. to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one's word), to begin (as if by an "opening wedge"); denom. (from 2485) to play (the flute) - defile, * eat (as common things), * first, * gather the grape thereof, * take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.
"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).
"In the New Testament there is nowhere any emphasis laid on the MUSICAL form of the hymns; and in particular none on instrumental accompaniment whereas this is significantly paganism." (Delling, Gerhard, Worship in the New Testament, trans. Percy Scott Phil. Westminster press, 1962, p. 86).</font>
Ezek 20:18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness,
- neither did I make an end of them in the wilderness.
Ezek 20:19 I am the Lord your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
- Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers,
either observe their judgments,
nor defile yourselves with their idols:
Ezek 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they
Ezek 20:21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me:
- shall be a SIGN between me and you [ISRAELITES], that ye may know that I am the Lord your God.
Ezek 20:22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand,
- they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them,
which if a man do, he shall even live in them;
they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them,
to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.
Ezek 20:23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness,
- and wrought for my names sake,
that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen,
in whose sight I brought them forth.
<font color=red>The idolatrous worship of Apis at Mount Sinai sentenced Israel to captivity and almost total destruction -- then and there -- because they would always be unfaithful to God. Therefore, He gave them a law which could not give life (as the Covenant could have) and helped them on their way to destruction when they "fired" Him and demanded a king like the nations so that they could worship like the nations: </font>
Ezek 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments,
- that I would scatter them among the heathen,
and disperse them through the countries;
Ezek 20:25 Wherefore
- but had despised my statutes,
and had polluted my sabbaths,
and their eyes were after their fathers idols.
Ezek 20:26 And I polluted them in their own gifts,
- I gave them also statutes that were not good,
and judgments whereby they should not live;
Stephen alludes to the writings of Amos which ILLUSTRATES the musical, idolatrous worship of the nation of Israel including the APIS bulls. When you REJECT God's Word He sends you strong delusions.
- in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb,
that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.
<font color=blue>Ac.7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? </font>
Again: the Sabbath was for REST. That QUARANTINED them from being able to travel to the CANAANITE or BABYLON "Sabbath Day Worship" rituals which--like most of Christianism--is for entertainment at a HIGH PRICE. The only WORSHIP word which they performed and used by Paul for the EKKLESIA or "school of the Bible" was to GIVE HEED to "that which is written" or "Scripture." That is the SAME restriction as the Holy Convocation.
At the time of Christ the THREAT was SUN worship in which all "musical worship" speaks of pleasuring, sexuality, homosexuality and TAKING AWAY MONEY. Therefore, as the FIRST day was the BEGINNING of creation and the EIGHTH DAY was the beginning again of activity, the Lord's Day was to QUARANTINE Christians FROM religious worship rituals. Jesus still DID NOT call it a DAY OF WORSHIP but a DAY OF REST. Clergy makes it certain that SUNDAY is the most ANXIETY CREATING, wearing day of the weak. It is OK to remember the Sabbath and keep it HOLY but it is NOT ok and was NEVER ok to make it a DAY OF WORSHIP where the CLERGY gets PAID for LADING BURDENS.
DON'T POLLUTE EITHER THE SEVENTH OR FIRST DAY BY PLEASURING YOURSELF, COLLECTING MONEY, PLAYING MUSIC (POLLUTES), SENDING OUT "MINSITERS" OR SPEAKING YOUR OWN WORDS.
<font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>I was just re-reading the initial message at the topwhat a painful reminder!!!!! How far certain congregations have gone and arrived at this venture at the expense of the saints collection? Can someone honestly search the Scripture and identify the true purpose for letting one lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come?SECRET CONVERSION PART 7
GIVE US A WORSHIP LEADER
One of the signs of the "church growth movement" is the presence of a "worship leader". What is a worship leader?
First, to understand what is happening, you must know about the World Council of Churches. One of its goals is to bring all Churches, Muslin, Christian, Buddhist, Wicca, occultist and pagan religions of all sorts together under one umbrella. They don't hide this.
It was determined around 1962 that the best way to accomplish this goal was through a charismatic and contemporary music format. The best way to implement these changes was through a slow and gradual infiltration, which has become known (among other things) as the "church growth movement."
What we see today, with the rise of the "worship leader," is one of the tools that brings about change in the church. Since "music" is the key to make all this happen, then the "worship leader" will also be the "music" leader.
These people think the word of God needs a little help to reach all the "unchurched and disenchanted." The "worship leader has also become a big part of their "outreach ministry."
One of the Deacons at my former church asked the Elders about "worship leaders." Now, these men claim not to be working in "lock step" with the "Church Growth movement," but they sure know about "worship leaders," This what they said:
"IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANNING ALL AREAS OF THE WORSHIP SERVICE
AND THEN PRESENTING THESE PLANS TO THE WORSHIP COMMITTEE. THIS INCLUDES
THE LORDS SUPPER, GIVING, PRAYERS, AND THE READING OF THE LORD,S WORD AS
WELL AS THE SONG SERVICE"(4)
This is a want ad for a "worship leader:"(3)
Job Description: St Matthews Lutheran Church is passionate about reaching out to the richly diverse and secular neighbors whom we share the freeway with. We are looking for a Minister of Worship & Celebration (Lay or Ordained) who is wired to empower heart-felt worship using todays music, multi-media and the arts. We are a grace driven ministry that relies upon team building to reach those who normally would not check out church. We tend to be a bit irreverent. We bring our coffee into worship and do not tend to attract the squeaky clean. We are looking for a leader who knows its not about them
There are magazines and web sites(3) dedicated to the worship leader." This has become a big business. Here is an excerpt form a recent article in a "worship leader" magazine telling a little about what they believe:
The Spoken Voice
1. Speaking - Psalm 34:1 says, "I will extol the Lord at all times; his praise will always be on my lips."
2. Shouting - Psalm 27:6 says, "Then my head will be exalted above the enemies who surround me; at his tabernacle will I sacrifice with shouts of joy; I will sing and make music to the Lord."
3. Singing - Psalm 47:6 says, "Sing praises to God, sing praises to our King, sing praises."
1. Bowing - Psalm 95:6 says, "Come let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the Lord our Maker."
2. Standing - Psalm 119:120 says, "My flesh trembles in fear of you; I stand in awe of your laws."
3. Dancing - Psalm 149:3 says, "Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with tambourine and harp."
1. Playing Instruments - Psalm 33:2, 3 says, "Praise the Lord with the harp; make music to him on the ten stringed lyre. Sing to him a new song; play skillfully, and shout for joy."
2. Clapping - Psalm 47:1 says, "Clap your hands, all you nations; shout to God with cries of joy."
3. Lifting Hands - Psalm 63:4 says, "I will praise you as long as I live, and in your name I will lift up my hands."
They always give David as their license, but, God tells us in Amos 6:5--Woe to those that act like David:
"That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David;"
You may ask, is a "worship leader" Biblical? In a way, they are. You see God created the first "worship leader".
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14 You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.
16 By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones
Note: "tambrels" are tamborines and "pipes" are wind instruments.
It's no wonder that Satan is called the "enchanter." He has been using music from the very beginning to seduce his prey. It started early with the Bablyonian and Egyptian civilizations in which they would dance, clap, sing and play to their gods. The only thing most contemporary Churches are not doing presently is bringing the gods clean cloths everyday.
From the continent of Africa, where Voodoo chants called up the evil spirits to the shores of America , Satan has always been the user of music and the "worship leader" extraordinaire.
11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, And the sound of your stringed instruments; The maggot is spread under you, And worms cover you.
12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
Let's take a look at how Satan uses others to seduce us with his music:
From Musician Carlos Santana:
Santana admits that his success is tied to a spiritual entity. Santana also claims that he has contact with the spirits of musicians who have died, such as Jimi Hendrix and Miles Davis. Santana has claimed that other artists who participated on his album, Supernatural, were brought to him supernaturally to be a part of Metatron's project. He claimed that they heard his music, or were communicated to in dreams, and were told they were to be part of the project.(1)
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." (1 John 4:1)
Eminem is the most successful artist of the 21st century. His Marshall Mathers LP sold an incredible 1.76 million copies in its first week, which is the highest first-week sale for a solo artist in history:
" I take seven [kids] from [columbine] and stand 'em all in line. Add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine, a Mac-11 and this ought to solve this problem of mine. And that's a whole school of bullies shot up all of the time, 'cause I'm Shady "
" I take each individual degenerate's head and reach into it, just to see if he's influenced by me, if he listens to music, and if he feeds into this sh**, he's an innocent victim, and becomes a puppet on the string "
Rolling Stone admitted:
"A song or an album can change your life; a great concert will change it on the spot."
Tori Amos, who said that Lucifer sits at her piano and helps her with her music, said:
" Music is the most powerful medium in the world because of the frequencies. You're hitting places in people that remind them that they are more than just this functional being."
Science writer and composer, Robert Jourdain, wrote in his book, Music, The Brain And Ecstacy:
" Music seems to be the most immediate of all the arts. Music possesses us. It really is as if some 'other' has entered not just our bodies, but our intentions, taking us over."
Medical Dr. and brain specialist, Richard Pellegrino, who is a consultant to the entertainment industry, wrote an article for Billboard Magazine , about the power of music. Dr. Pellegrino speaks of the incomparable power of music upon the human brain, stating that music has the uncanny power to:
" trigger a flood of human emotions and images that have the ability to instantaneously produce very powerful changes in emotional states."
Pellegrino went on to declare:
" Take it from a brain guy. In 25 years of working with the brain, I still cannot affect a person's state of mind the way that one simple song can."
Eminem states in his song, Marshall Mathers:
"I think I was put here to destroy your little 4-year-old boy or girl."
Frank Zappa, who was quite anti-Christ, said that when he saw a fish on the back of someone's car he identified them as the enemy. He also admitted to the incredible power and influence rock music has over the human race. In an article he wrote for Life Magazine, he stated:
"The ways in which sound affects the human organism are myriad and subtle. The loud sounds and bright lights of today are tremendous indoctrination tools.
AC/DC was up-front with their fans when they made it clear that they not only found their fame in a rock band by Satan's power, but that they desired to drag their listeners into eternal damnation with them, "if God's on the left, I'm on the right I'm gonna take ya to hell I'm gonna get'cha-Satan got 'cha, Hell's Bells If you're into evil, you're a friend of mine."
"When I hit the stage its all of a sudden a magic from somewhere that comes and the spirit just hits you, and you lose control of yourself."
"I wake up from dreams and go, Wow! Put this down on paper! The whole thing is strange. You hear the words, everything is right there in front of your face. And you say to yourself, Im sorry, I just didnt write this. Its there already. I feel that somewhere, someplace, its all been done, and Im the courier bringing it into the world."
From these two sites (1)(2) alone I count well over 85 well known and famous music performers in all areas of music, Christian, blues, and Rock N Roll, that profess to be Satanically driven, or use pagan symbolism in their performances.
This list includes people like Robert Johnson-The Father of Blues, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, and even Amy Grant!
Dear Lord, please forgive us for what we have brought into your Church.
(1) They Sold Their Souls For Rock N Roll
(2) What's Wrong With Christian Rock?
(3) Experiencing Worship - A Resource Guide For the Worshiper and Worship Leader
(4) The Deacons Beg For Answers, and The Elders Reply
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