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September 27th, 2012, 1:26 am #51

Grace Centered Magazine Forum is devoted to trying to defeat efforts like Concerned Members and ALL of the tenets which makes The Church of Christ the Only known Apostolic Church: that which is defended by all of church history.

http://www.piney.com/GraceCenteredReview.html

.They are Post-Nicene Trinitarians (LU and tritheism)
.They are hostile to any Scripture quoted defending Baptism.
.They are hostile to any effort to prove that there can be NO instrumental MARKS in a church of Christ.
.They are hostile to what they call "legalism" when "grace" gives them permissive to be LEGALISTIC: seeking to aid God in what they call worship.
.They are hostile to any quotation of passages of Scripture IN CONTEXT.

Now, the discussion of the mansions in the House of God as being the various teachings of the Apostles. We will show that the mansions in a Church of Christ are REST STATIONS to get in out of the LADED BURDEN (music) imposed by the burden-laders known as PARASITES in their pattern from the not-commanded Sacrificial system.








People who are consumed with what WE GONNA do in making music simply do not and probably cannot grasp that Jesus said that the Kingdom of God is within us and does not come with RELIGIOUS OBSERVATIONS.

http://www.piney.com/Luke.17.Kingdom.No ... ation.html

strong delusions are marked by lying wonders which are specificially religious observations of rhethoric, singing, playing instruments and drama. Since music from mystery MEANS "making the lambs dumb before the slaughter" and "silencing the voice of the victim" that INVISIBLE MUSIC word is the MARK that people are not going to understand Monotheism since they themselves try to fill the role of God in Christ as the ONE Comfoter- mediator.

Since Theophilus INVENTED the word "trias" or trinity one wonders how people can INVENT a trinity which gives THEM access to A Holy Spirit Person who leads them "beyond the sacred pages."

Of course, they cannot do that without repudiating Jesus of Nazareth as God's Master Teacher and leader into the spiritual world.

Theophilus Chapter XXII.-Why God is Said to Have Walked.

You will say, then, to me: "You said that God ought not to be contained in a place, and how do you now say that He walked in Paradise? "Hear what I say. The God and Father, indeed, of all cannot be contained, and is not found in a place, for there is no place of His rest;
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but His Word, through whom He made all things, being His power and His wisdom,
.....assuming the person of the Father and Lord of all, went to the garden in the person of God, and conversed with Adam. For the divine writing itself teaches us that Adam said that he had heard the voice.
.....But what else is this voice but the Word of God, who is also His Son?

Not as the poets and writers of myths talk of the sons of gods begotten from intercourse [with women], but as truth expounds, the Word, that always exists, residing within the heart of God. For before anything came into being He had Him as a counsellor, being His own mind and thought.

But when God wished to make all that He determined on, He begot this Word, uttered,47 the first-born of all creation, not Himself being emptied of the Word [Reason],
.....but having begotten Reason,
.....and always conversing with His Reason. And hence the holy writings teach us, and all the spirit-bearing [inspired] men, one of whom, John, says,
....."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,"
..... showing that at first God was alone, and the Word in Him.
.....Then he says, "The Word was God; all things came into existence through Him;
.....and apart from Him not one thing came into existence."
.....The Word, then, being God, and being naturally
.....[That is, being produced by generation, not by creation.]produced from God
,
whenever the Father of the universe wills,
.....He sends Him to any place; and He, coming, is both heard and seen,
.....being sent by Him, and is found in a place.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:
.....and the word which ye hear is not mine,
.....but the Fathers which sent me.


note 46 The annotators here warn us against supposing that "person" is used as it was afterwards employed in discussing the doctrine of the Trinity, and show that the word is used in its original meaning, and with reference to an actor taking up a mask and personating a character.

note47 Proforiko/j, the term used of the Logos as manifested; the Word as uttered by the Father<b>, in distinction from the Word immanent in Him. [Theophilus is the first author who distinguishes between the Logos (cap. x, supra) and the Logos proforiko/j; the <b>Word internal, and the Word emitted. Kaye's Justin, p. 171.]</b></b>
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September 27th, 2012, 1:43 am #52

"God doesn't jump when the change agents bark."

Agreed!


He also has a place besides heaven for those who add to His Word.
Yes indeed, God doesn't jump when the change agents bark. So, why does Dave still want God to jump because Dave supports having instrumental music? Dave should be very careful NOT to add to God's Word by adding instrumental music when God only specifies vocal music. In other words, Dave should be sure that he observes the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command. If Dave would add instrumental music, then he doesn't follow that command.

I'm very glad Dave realizes that there is indeed a place far away from heaven for those who add to God's Word by failing to follow the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command.
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September 27th, 2012, 3:08 am #53

People who are consumed with what WE GONNA do in making music simply do not and probably cannot grasp that Jesus said that the Kingdom of God is within us and does not come with RELIGIOUS OBSERVATIONS.

http://www.piney.com/Luke.17.Kingdom.No ... ation.html

strong delusions are marked by lying wonders which are specificially religious observations of rhethoric, singing, playing instruments and drama. Since music from mystery MEANS "making the lambs dumb before the slaughter" and "silencing the voice of the victim" that INVISIBLE MUSIC word is the MARK that people are not going to understand Monotheism since they themselves try to fill the role of God in Christ as the ONE Comfoter- mediator.

Since Theophilus INVENTED the word "trias" or trinity one wonders how people can INVENT a trinity which gives THEM access to A Holy Spirit Person who leads them "beyond the sacred pages."

Of course, they cannot do that without repudiating Jesus of Nazareth as God's Master Teacher and leader into the spiritual world.

Theophilus Chapter XXII.-Why God is Said to Have Walked.

You will say, then, to me: "You said that God ought not to be contained in a place, and how do you now say that He walked in Paradise? "Hear what I say. The God and Father, indeed, of all cannot be contained, and is not found in a place, for there is no place of His rest;
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
but His Word, through whom He made all things, being His power and His wisdom,
.....assuming the person of the Father and Lord of all, went to the garden in the person of God, and conversed with Adam. For the divine writing itself teaches us that Adam said that he had heard the voice.
.....But what else is this voice but the Word of God, who is also His Son?

Not as the poets and writers of myths talk of the sons of gods begotten from intercourse [with women], but as truth expounds, the Word, that always exists, residing within the heart of God. For before anything came into being He had Him as a counsellor, being His own mind and thought.

But when God wished to make all that He determined on, He begot this Word, uttered,47 the first-born of all creation, not Himself being emptied of the Word [Reason],
.....but having begotten Reason,
.....and always conversing with His Reason. And hence the holy writings teach us, and all the spirit-bearing [inspired] men, one of whom, John, says,
....."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,"
..... showing that at first God was alone, and the Word in Him.
.....Then he says, "The Word was God; all things came into existence through Him;
.....and apart from Him not one thing came into existence."
.....The Word, then, being God, and being naturally
.....[That is, being produced by generation, not by creation.]produced from God
,
whenever the Father of the universe wills,
.....He sends Him to any place; and He, coming, is both heard and seen,
.....being sent by Him, and is found in a place.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:
.....and the word which ye hear is not mine,
.....but the Fathers which sent me.


note 46 The annotators here warn us against supposing that "person" is used as it was afterwards employed in discussing the doctrine of the Trinity, and show that the word is used in its original meaning, and with reference to an actor taking up a mask and personating a character.

note47 Proforiko/j, the term used of the Logos as manifested; the Word as uttered by the Father<b>, in distinction from the Word immanent in Him. [Theophilus is the first author who distinguishes between the Logos (cap. x, supra) and the Logos proforiko/j; the <b>Word internal, and the Word emitted. Kaye's Justin, p. 171.]</b></b>
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September 27th, 2012, 3:41 pm #54

"The sin lies in adding more to a command than what God specifies within that command. That's the whole basis for the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command (let's abbreviate that as the NATNTF command).

Simple enough for you?

Example: If you add instrumental music when God only specifies vocal music, you add to the Word of God; hence, you sin. Don't you know that, given the NATNTF command, it is redundant and unnecessary for God to list every conceivable item that would violate His commands? Yet that's what the change agents demand when they say, "Condemning instrumental music is a sin because God didn't say not to have instrumental music." Actually, instrumental music IS SINFUL, based on the NATNTF command. The change agents just don't want to abide by it. They demand that God write in the Bible, "Thou shalt only have vocal music, but not instrumental music, in Christian worship."

God doesn't jump when the change agents bark."

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God did not condemn IM, "B" did.

BTW, "B" is the one doing the A&W barking.

Actually God, not B, condemns instrumental music by virtue of the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command. It should be SIMPLE for discerning Christians to realize that God need not list everything conceivable that violates His commands. When God issues a command and specifies what is to be done, adding more to that command or taking from that command is sinful. Since God specifies vocal music and stops there, then people sin when they ADD instrumental music.

On the other hand, the change agents and other rebels will say, "No, God MUST specify everything by name that He condemns, or it doesn't count. If God doesn't SAY that instrumental music is sinful, then it's not." That man-made philosophy is not found in the New Testament, it ignores the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command, and it tries to make God conform to man's personal demands. God's neither-add-to-nor-take-from command saves Him the trouble of listing everything conceivable that violates His commands. We know that God chooses to condemn some things directly, as in, "Thou shalt not kill." We also know that, through the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command, God issues a general condemnation of things that are added to or taken from what He specifies within His commands.

Here's the simple test: Do you follow the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command and use only vocal music that God through Paul specifies in Eph. 5:19 and Col. 3:16, or do you snub that command and sin by adding instrumental music?
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September 27th, 2012, 4:30 pm #55

'use only vocal music'

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Did God say that? Is this yet another case of "B" speaking for God?

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September 27th, 2012, 6:37 pm #56

Does God specify any other kind of music besides vocal music? No. Therefore, God specifies ONLY vocal music.
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September 27th, 2012, 6:46 pm #57

'use only vocal music'

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Did God say that? Is this yet another case of "B" speaking for God?
Whether Rocnar is a ghost or not, I really don't think he wants to follow the neither-add-to-nor-take-from command. If denominationalists are bent on having instrumental music, then they reject that command.
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September 27th, 2012, 8:15 pm #58

"B", we should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the "Apocrypha" says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

Jude's quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides writings. The same is true with Jude, verse 14. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch in Jude verse 9 does not indicate the entire book is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true.
"There are a vast number of false and spurious writings which deserve mention at this point; not because anyone would seriously contend for their authority, but because they do represent the religious lore of the Hebrews in the inter testamental period. Strangely enough, the New Testament writers make use of a number of the books, for example, Jude 14-15 have a possible quotation from the Book of Enoch (1:9) and the Assumption of Moses (1:9); and an allusion from the Penitence of Jannes and Jambres is found in II Timothy 3:8. Of course, it should be remembered that the New Testament also quotes from the heathen poets Aratus (Acts 17:28); Meander (1 Cor. 15:33); and Epimenides (Titus 1:12). Truth is truth no matter where it is found whether uttered by a heathen poet, a pagan prophet (Num. 24:17), or even a dumb animal (Num. 22:28)." (Nix/Geisler, A General Introduction to the Bible, p. 165).

If you want to understand "the unknown God" you have to know Epimenides:

And some even of the philosophers, after the poets, make idols of forms of the affections in your breasts,-such as fear, and love, and joy, and hope; as, to be sure, Epimenides of old, who raised ar Athens the altars of Insult and Impudence. Other objects deified by men take their rise from events, and are fashioned in bodily shape, such as a Dike, a Clotho, and Lachesis, and Atropos, and Heimarmene, and Auxo, and Thallo, which are Attic goddesses.

http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/ ... wn_God.htm


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September 27th, 2012, 8:23 pm #59

"B", we should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the "Apocrypha" says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

Jude's quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides writings. The same is true with Jude, verse 14. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch in Jude verse 9 does not indicate the entire book is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true.
"There are a vast number of false and spurious writings which deserve mention at this point; not because anyone would seriously contend for their authority, but because they do represent the religious lore of the Hebrews in the inter testamental period. Strangely enough, the New Testament writers make use of a number of the books, for example, Jude 14-15 have a possible quotation from the Book of Enoch (1:9) and the Assumption of Moses (1:9); and an allusion from the Penitence of Jannes and Jambres is found in II Timothy 3:8. Of course, it should be remembered that the New Testament also quotes from the heathen poets Aratus (Acts 17:28); Meander (1 Cor. 15:33); and Epimenides (Titus 1:12). Truth is truth no matter where it is found whether uttered by a heathen poet, a pagan prophet (Num. 24:17), or even a dumb animal (Num. 22:28)." (Nix/Geisler, A General Introduction to the Bible, p. 165).

If you want to understand "the unknown God" you have to know Epimenides:

And some even of the philosophers, after the poets, make idols of forms of the affections in your breasts,-such as fear, and love, and joy, and hope; as, to be sure, Epimenides of old, who raised ar Athens the altars of Insult and Impudence. Other objects deified by men take their rise from events, and are fashioned in bodily shape, such as a Dike, a Clotho, and Lachesis, and Atropos, and Heimarmene, and Auxo, and Thallo, which are Attic goddesses.

http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/ ... wn_God.htm


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September 27th, 2012, 8:35 pm #60

Grace Centered Magazine Forum is devoted to trying to defeat efforts like Concerned Members and ALL of the tenets which makes The Church of Christ the Only known Apostolic Church: that which is defended by all of church history.

http://www.piney.com/GraceCenteredReview.html

.They are Post-Nicene Trinitarians (LU and tritheism)
.They are hostile to any Scripture quoted defending Baptism.
.They are hostile to any effort to prove that there can be NO instrumental MARKS in a church of Christ.
.They are hostile to what they call "legalism" when "grace" gives them permissive to be LEGALISTIC: seeking to aid God in what they call worship.
.They are hostile to any quotation of passages of Scripture IN CONTEXT.

Now, the discussion of the mansions in the House of God as being the various teachings of the Apostles. We will show that the mansions in a Church of Christ are REST STATIONS to get in out of the LADED BURDEN (music) imposed by the burden-laders known as PARASITES in their pattern from the not-commanded Sacrificial system.








"It should be SIMPLE for discerning Christians to realize that God need not list everything conceivable that violates His commands."



Name any sin that doesn't fall under a command of God, whether that be a "you will/shall" or "you will not/shall not" command.

Reeling him in here......

How about the cocaine usage? Good place to start?

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