Farmers Branch Church of Christ, Dallas,Tx.

Farmers Branch Church of Christ, Dallas,Tx.

ConcernedMembers
ConcernedMembers

October 29th, 2002, 12:40 am #1

It appears that Farmers Branch Church of Christ has been experimenting with "praise teams "and music in Worship for some two or more years now.

The below document from the Elders of Farmers Branch was distributed to the Churches members and subsequently a copy was sent to Kenneth Subblett for evaluation.

The document is a "white paper" giving the Elders scriptual basis for a new third Worship service on Saturday night featuring with what appears to be full music intrumentation.

Mr. Sublett's review appears below the document link.

As one follows the progression of Churches making the transition several things become obvious;

1. The "third worship service" is always just a ploy to bring the "new experience" into the regular worship service.

2. Once the "icecream" store is opened, it's just a matter of time before one flavor is not enough. Churches bringing in "Praise Teams" should be aware that the next move is a gradual shift toward full musical instrumentation. The Elders uniformly cover their words by saying, "our intent is not to have instruments".
Then, eventially they determine as in the document below that instruments are Ok.

3. Sriptual basis is always referenced to the NIV bible. The reason for this is simple. The NIV and other modern versions have been corrupted to allow these conclusions.
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A Consideration Of Instrumental Accompaniment In Corporate Worship, from The Elders at Farmers Branch Church of Christ.
http://www.concernedmembers.com/links/instruments.htm

A Review Of This Document By Kenneth Sublett;
http://www.piney.com/Farmers-Branch-Music.html

Links Describing Corruption Of The NIV And Other Modern Versions, That Bring On Apostasy In The Church;
http://www.concernedmembers.com/library.htm#hit
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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

October 29th, 2002, 1:54 am #2

Why is it that probably not one Hired Servant in the "brotherhood" leading THEIR churches into pagan worship have a clue to the sequence of events of the Old Testament?

Especially the doctors of the law missed the point that Israel was not worth rescuing from Egypt but God did it to protect His own Name. Leaving them in Egypt sullied His name because they were worse than the NATIONS. When God brought them out of Egypt He restored the Covenant Made with Abraham. This was a covenant of grace. However, Israel ROSE UP TO PLAY in musical idolatry, worshiping the STARRY HOST. Therefore, God gave them the law and TURNED THEM OVER to the worship they lusted for.

The early and end-time WANDERING STAR and his agents had the number of 666 in the original Chaldee.

When the ELDERS fired God and demanded a king, God warned them but hand picked kings "in His anger" to lead the nation into captivity and death.

The Jerusalem Temple was quite identical to most temples and had many of the features of the Tower of Babylon because THAT was where God had sentenced them to go. Solomon sold cities to Tyre representing Lucifer, the harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden and the "musicans" were the slave drivers to force slave labor (even Hebrews) to build a temple to store all of the gold to be looted withing 5 years of Solomon's death and which led to CIVIL WAR. As fulfillment, churches which build their church on the foundation of MUSICIANS and THEATRICAL PREACHERS always lead to CIVIL WAR.

However, neither the Jewish instrumentalists not called musicians but EXCELLERS or SLAVE DRIVERS and their SERVICE not worship but HARD BONDAGE, nor the vilest of pagan temple-states ever went into the Holy Place which was a carnal type of the spiritual church or Body of Christ.

The NOISE MAKERS served out in the court helping to slaughter and burn animals. Their SERVICE was a prophetic type of their future SLAUGHTER of Jesus prophesied to be with musical mocking. Their judgmental work ceased absolutely.

Therefore, neither in type nor in its spiritual fulfilment did any "musician" dare to go into the Holy Place typical of the synagogue and church.

Therefore, end-time musicians who claim to LEAD YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD or aid your WORSHIP are TERMINAL because they are more arrogant than the worst of pagan temple musicians.

As the Jerusalem temple was a LIKE THE NATIONS TEMPLE as civil and military capital, the end-time IMITATION of Levitical musicians is like the nations where NATIONS meant the Babylon- influenced nations to be fulfilled by the Babylon Whore of Revelation 18. Here is a link to show that the temple was like the nations because that is what the ELDERS demanded:

http://www.piney.com/Temple-like-Nations.html

See a drawing of the temple as carnal type and the church of Christ as spiritual anti type to see that when the MUSICIANS enter into the Holy Place and claim to MEDIATE and lead you into the MOST HOLY PLACE they have fulfilled prophecy and, I fear, are beyond redemption because they are beyond repentance:

http://www.piney.com/Temple-Body.html

At least, you don't have to be the BLIND being led into the ditch of vile paganism showing contempt for Christ and for His Word. This means that you MUST NOT finance this horror. Never believe the lie they used to FINANCE their temples that you OWE them through a LAW OF GIVING and increasingly the TITHE. IT IS ALL A BIG LIE TO BRING YOU INTO BONDAGE AND SILENCE THE WORDS OF CHRIST.

Kenneth Sublett
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October 29th, 2002, 1:55 am #3

It appears that Farmers Branch Church of Christ has been experimenting with "praise teams "and music in Worship for some two or more years now.

The below document from the Elders of Farmers Branch was distributed to the Churches members and subsequently a copy was sent to Kenneth Subblett for evaluation.

The document is a "white paper" giving the Elders scriptual basis for a new third Worship service on Saturday night featuring with what appears to be full music intrumentation.

Mr. Sublett's review appears below the document link.

As one follows the progression of Churches making the transition several things become obvious;

1. The "third worship service" is always just a ploy to bring the "new experience" into the regular worship service.

2. Once the "icecream" store is opened, it's just a matter of time before one flavor is not enough. Churches bringing in "Praise Teams" should be aware that the next move is a gradual shift toward full musical instrumentation. The Elders uniformly cover their words by saying, "our intent is not to have instruments".
Then, eventially they determine as in the document below that instruments are Ok.

3. Sriptual basis is always referenced to the NIV bible. The reason for this is simple. The NIV and other modern versions have been corrupted to allow these conclusions.
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A Consideration Of Instrumental Accompaniment In Corporate Worship, from The Elders at Farmers Branch Church of Christ.
http://www.concernedmembers.com/links/instruments.htm

A Review Of This Document By Kenneth Sublett;
http://www.piney.com/Farmers-Branch-Music.html

Links Describing Corruption Of The NIV And Other Modern Versions, That Bring On Apostasy In The Church;
http://www.concernedmembers.com/library.htm#hit
If you're not a member of Farmer's Branch, it isn't your business. The attitudes of messages displayed in this forum are shameful. You call yourselves Christians? You mock the holy name of Christ with your ugliness.
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Kevin Hamm
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October 29th, 2002, 1:56 am #4

It appears that Farmers Branch Church of Christ has been experimenting with "praise teams "and music in Worship for some two or more years now.

The below document from the Elders of Farmers Branch was distributed to the Churches members and subsequently a copy was sent to Kenneth Subblett for evaluation.

The document is a "white paper" giving the Elders scriptual basis for a new third Worship service on Saturday night featuring with what appears to be full music intrumentation.

Mr. Sublett's review appears below the document link.

As one follows the progression of Churches making the transition several things become obvious;

1. The "third worship service" is always just a ploy to bring the "new experience" into the regular worship service.

2. Once the "icecream" store is opened, it's just a matter of time before one flavor is not enough. Churches bringing in "Praise Teams" should be aware that the next move is a gradual shift toward full musical instrumentation. The Elders uniformly cover their words by saying, "our intent is not to have instruments".
Then, eventially they determine as in the document below that instruments are Ok.

3. Sriptual basis is always referenced to the NIV bible. The reason for this is simple. The NIV and other modern versions have been corrupted to allow these conclusions.
================
A Consideration Of Instrumental Accompaniment In Corporate Worship, from The Elders at Farmers Branch Church of Christ.
http://www.concernedmembers.com/links/instruments.htm

A Review Of This Document By Kenneth Sublett;
http://www.piney.com/Farmers-Branch-Music.html

Links Describing Corruption Of The NIV And Other Modern Versions, That Bring On Apostasy In The Church;
http://www.concernedmembers.com/library.htm#hit
Where is that attitude of unity?

Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Prayerfully Onward,

Kevin
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Allan Javellana
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October 29th, 2002, 1:57 am #5

It appears that Farmers Branch Church of Christ has been experimenting with "praise teams "and music in Worship for some two or more years now.

The below document from the Elders of Farmers Branch was distributed to the Churches members and subsequently a copy was sent to Kenneth Subblett for evaluation.

The document is a "white paper" giving the Elders scriptual basis for a new third Worship service on Saturday night featuring with what appears to be full music intrumentation.

Mr. Sublett's review appears below the document link.

As one follows the progression of Churches making the transition several things become obvious;

1. The "third worship service" is always just a ploy to bring the "new experience" into the regular worship service.

2. Once the "icecream" store is opened, it's just a matter of time before one flavor is not enough. Churches bringing in "Praise Teams" should be aware that the next move is a gradual shift toward full musical instrumentation. The Elders uniformly cover their words by saying, "our intent is not to have instruments".
Then, eventially they determine as in the document below that instruments are Ok.

3. Sriptual basis is always referenced to the NIV bible. The reason for this is simple. The NIV and other modern versions have been corrupted to allow these conclusions.
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A Consideration Of Instrumental Accompaniment In Corporate Worship, from The Elders at Farmers Branch Church of Christ.
http://www.concernedmembers.com/links/instruments.htm

A Review Of This Document By Kenneth Sublett;
http://www.piney.com/Farmers-Branch-Music.html

Links Describing Corruption Of The NIV And Other Modern Versions, That Bring On Apostasy In The Church;
http://www.concernedmembers.com/library.htm#hit
It's a shame that you are so ashamed of your faith that you would fail to post your name/email address.

If you're so positive of what you believe, be brave and post your name. Then, if your congregation was erroneously placed on this website, then other members should also post on it to prove or disprove the allegations.

One question that has plagued me since Sept. 11, 2000 --- are we who claim to be Christians so firm in our faith and belief that we would die for what we believed in??
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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

October 29th, 2002, 1:58 am #6

It appears that Farmers Branch Church of Christ has been experimenting with "praise teams "and music in Worship for some two or more years now.

The below document from the Elders of Farmers Branch was distributed to the Churches members and subsequently a copy was sent to Kenneth Subblett for evaluation.

The document is a "white paper" giving the Elders scriptual basis for a new third Worship service on Saturday night featuring with what appears to be full music intrumentation.

Mr. Sublett's review appears below the document link.

As one follows the progression of Churches making the transition several things become obvious;

1. The "third worship service" is always just a ploy to bring the "new experience" into the regular worship service.

2. Once the "icecream" store is opened, it's just a matter of time before one flavor is not enough. Churches bringing in "Praise Teams" should be aware that the next move is a gradual shift toward full musical instrumentation. The Elders uniformly cover their words by saying, "our intent is not to have instruments".
Then, eventially they determine as in the document below that instruments are Ok.

3. Sriptual basis is always referenced to the NIV bible. The reason for this is simple. The NIV and other modern versions have been corrupted to allow these conclusions.
================
A Consideration Of Instrumental Accompaniment In Corporate Worship, from The Elders at Farmers Branch Church of Christ.
http://www.concernedmembers.com/links/instruments.htm

A Review Of This Document By Kenneth Sublett;
http://www.piney.com/Farmers-Branch-Music.html

Links Describing Corruption Of The NIV And Other Modern Versions, That Bring On Apostasy In The Church;
http://www.concernedmembers.com/library.htm#hit
In reviewing the 'white paper' sent from Farmer's Branch church of Christ, I separated out the appeal to several Hebrew MUSICAL words.

We pointed out in review that these words ALL relate to Satan, stealing one's inheritance and male and female prostitution.

These were the performing artists such as Jubal in the Bible and other characters perverted by Satan to use musical and theatrical performance to SEDUCE the holy people away from the Living Word of God. Once seduced into the valley of the Cainites (Jerusalem, Sodom, Egypt, the Assyrians, Babylon) they had FALLEN and would never get up. Why was this? it was because the MUSIC was both a cause and a MARK that people had cut themselves free of God and His word.

In the article on NAGAN and some other proof text words for playing instruments at:

http://www.piney.com/Farmers-Branch-Nagan.html

We have added a rough comparison of Isaiah 47 and Revelation 18. The TYPE shows that God POLLUTED the people and drove them into captivity with the use of musical instruments where Halal means to "play the flute, pollute, prostitute or take away one's inheritance."

In Revelation 18 the end- time Babylon Harlot worship exactly fulfills Isaiah 47 where the sodomites polluted or took away the WORD of God. The king/queen of Tyre as LUCIFER or musical enchanter in the garden of Eden and the king/queen of Babylon went into SHEOL with her musicians and instruments

The end time "harp-playing prostitute" will again be polluted and driven back underground with her musicians so that there can again be peace on earth from those who perverted the Word to Sow Discord among brethren.

We have collected some other passages to PROVE that singers and musicians in a religious sense were traders or polluters because minstrels were Sodomites. The singing girls in the actual temple in Jerusalem are defined by both singing an playing as prostitutes who went along with the Sodomites polluting the temple.

http://www.piney.com/Temple-like-Nations.html

We don't know any PERFORMING ARTISTS replacing Lord Jesus in the Holy Place. However, the 100% Biblical and historical evidence makes it utterly impossible for spiritual people to even think about bringing them into the Holy Place to represent what a Christian should look like and how they should "look at me and do what I do" in worship.

Kenneth Sublett
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Sam Middlebrook
Sam Middlebrook

October 31st, 2002, 5:06 pm #7

I am a concerned memeber. I am concerned not for the actions of churches who are effectively reaching their community, but I am concerned about the thoughts and opinions expressed in this page. The very idea that there are Christians who spend more time researching petty arguments than they do giving their witness to people who don't know about Jesus Christ saddens me a great deal.

Ask yourself two questions...

What am I doing in my daily life that is allowing people who don't know about the salvation offered through Jesus Christ to know what God is offering them?

What is my church doing that is EFFECTIVELY reaching the surrounding community for Christ?

The Apostle Paul tells us that people will know of our faith not because of our correct doctine, not because of all of our right answers, not becauzse of our arguments with other churches, but because of our love.

Wise up.
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James Kisner
James Kisner

October 31st, 2002, 7:10 pm #8

Excellent response, brother. Praise the Lord for some who see what wearing the name of Jesus is really about!
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Megan Hill
Megan Hill

October 31st, 2002, 7:45 pm #9

I am a concerned memeber. I am concerned not for the actions of churches who are effectively reaching their community, but I am concerned about the thoughts and opinions expressed in this page. The very idea that there are Christians who spend more time researching petty arguments than they do giving their witness to people who don't know about Jesus Christ saddens me a great deal.

Ask yourself two questions...

What am I doing in my daily life that is allowing people who don't know about the salvation offered through Jesus Christ to know what God is offering them?

What is my church doing that is EFFECTIVELY reaching the surrounding community for Christ?

The Apostle Paul tells us that people will know of our faith not because of our correct doctine, not because of all of our right answers, not becauzse of our arguments with other churches, but because of our love.

Wise up.
Best post I have seen on this entire site. Concise, truthful, to the point and makes a point! Thank you, sir. You do get what being a Christian is about.
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Kenneth Sublett
Kenneth Sublett

November 2nd, 2002, 4:01 am #10

In reviewing the 'white paper' sent from Farmer's Branch church of Christ, I separated out the appeal to several Hebrew MUSICAL words.

We pointed out in review that these words ALL relate to Satan, stealing one's inheritance and male and female prostitution.

These were the performing artists such as Jubal in the Bible and other characters perverted by Satan to use musical and theatrical performance to SEDUCE the holy people away from the Living Word of God. Once seduced into the valley of the Cainites (Jerusalem, Sodom, Egypt, the Assyrians, Babylon) they had FALLEN and would never get up. Why was this? it was because the MUSIC was both a cause and a MARK that people had cut themselves free of God and His word.

In the article on NAGAN and some other proof text words for playing instruments at:

http://www.piney.com/Farmers-Branch-Nagan.html

We have added a rough comparison of Isaiah 47 and Revelation 18. The TYPE shows that God POLLUTED the people and drove them into captivity with the use of musical instruments where Halal means to "play the flute, pollute, prostitute or take away one's inheritance."

In Revelation 18 the end- time Babylon Harlot worship exactly fulfills Isaiah 47 where the sodomites polluted or took away the WORD of God. The king/queen of Tyre as LUCIFER or musical enchanter in the garden of Eden and the king/queen of Babylon went into SHEOL with her musicians and instruments

The end time "harp-playing prostitute" will again be polluted and driven back underground with her musicians so that there can again be peace on earth from those who perverted the Word to Sow Discord among brethren.

We have collected some other passages to PROVE that singers and musicians in a religious sense were traders or polluters because minstrels were Sodomites. The singing girls in the actual temple in Jerusalem are defined by both singing an playing as prostitutes who went along with the Sodomites polluting the temple.

http://www.piney.com/Temple-like-Nations.html

We don't know any PERFORMING ARTISTS replacing Lord Jesus in the Holy Place. However, the 100% Biblical and historical evidence makes it utterly impossible for spiritual people to even think about bringing them into the Holy Place to represent what a Christian should look like and how they should "look at me and do what I do" in worship.

Kenneth Sublett
Farmer's Branch Church of Christ:

--- "The leadership believes it is time to launch a third worship assembly for the sake of making a proactive effort to make MORE SPACE for more people to "park" - 'outside' and 'inside' FBCC.

------"It also believes this third service would be an appropriate time to explore and EXPERIMET more thoroughly in regard to instrumental accompaniment in a worship assembly.

We can tell you: flat out, instrumental music will attract those who are attracted to MUSIC but those with minimal Biblical literacy will not be attracted. Lord Jesus Christ is the ONLY ATTRACTION for a FAITHFUL church of Christ where HE is the only TEACHER and HIS words or "that which is written" are the only songs. Anything else is GOING BEYOND, and is NOT Christianity.

The Words of Christ are self-validating because according to Jeus they are Spirit and Life. Paul's ONLY WORSHIP word means to "give heed" to Jesus Christ by GIVING HEED to His Words and remembering His DEATH. Peter said that when you give heed to the WORD the DAY STAR rises in our heart. At the same time, the false redemeer "day star", Lucifer, is the "harp-playing prostitute" and seduces you away from the word.

When you IMPROVIZE or EXPERIMENT you fall sucker to SATAN'S fatal flaw which made him a FALLEN ANGEL or wandering STAR. He, too, came to earth with MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS even in the garden of Eden and "experimented" with Eve.

The JUBAL FAMILY experimented with instrumental music (without authority according to the Bible).

Right off the ark they EXPERIMENTED at the Tower of Babel.

At MOUNT SINAI they EXPERIMENTED with Satan worship held in the NAME of Jehovah: He was not flattered.

Amos speaks of those who IMPROVIZED as DAVID improvized.

All failures under the influence of Satan are because people were LIFTED UP WITH PRIDE and thought that they could IMPROVIZE and be "a better- than Jesus."

This is a fatal flaw and in the Bible it is BEYOND REDEMPTION. Paul in Hebrews 6 speaks of those who have TASTED the Word, and then EXPERIMENT, as having committed the unforgivable sin.

Take a look at some EXPERIMENTING as fatal flaws in the Bible

http://www.piney.com/Farmers-Branch-Experiment.html

100% of the Biblical and historical evidence associates "music" with idolatry.

Sure, if you believe God then the MAJORITY will try to silence the word of God and "deadening music" is the MARK God defined at Mount Sinai where Saturn (666) was the primary star of Israel.

Kenneth Sublett
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