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SAVED FROM PREACHING, SINGING, MUSIC AND OTHER SORCERERS (Rev 18)Faithsite seems to have been hijacked by a terrorist in Cyprus. I think he has a SECRET PLANT working inside of Jabez who EXCLUDES any defense of those BASHING churches of Christ.
This may be a HIGH CRIME and certainly NOT Christian.
You can block some of the people some of the time, but you can't block all of the people all of the time.Quoting her:
[The stripes that I have have left open, gaping wounds on my heart and spirit. I would take a physical beating any day over the emotional, mental, and spiritual abuse I have suffered at the hands of "elders". Physical scars heal. Elders are not supposed to be the enemy.
Do not make light. Just don't do it.]
Her past experiences may explain her present resentments and hostilities toward authority and sound doctrine. It's unfortunate.
"Read this post (an approved cut and paste job - I have checked on this matter):"You could be right. I will not argue the point. I must add that I personally gave her the opportunity to name where all of these bad churches with bad elders and bad people are but she would, or could, not name a one. She refused to name one but continued to write how bad they were!
Read this post (an approved cut and paste job - I have checked on this matter): "Preachers - and their families - can and are abused mentally, emotionally and spiritually by churches, leaders, and members alike. **** owes you no explanation, no details, absolutely nothing. You don't believe him, or me, too bad for you. A preacher works for God, not for a congregation...He may be supported by a church, but he is not an "employee" of the church." end of quote.
She seems to like getting the SUPPORT (MONEY) from a congregation but she does not like having to acknowledge being employed by the congregation.
In another post of her's she wrote, "The stripes that I have have left open, gaping wounds on my heart and spirit. I would take a physical beating any day over the emotional, mental, and spiritual abuse I have suffered at the hands of "elders". Physical scars heal. Elders are not supposed to be the enemy. end of quote.
She openly condemns churches and elders without bring forth another witness to these acusations. AND THESE ARE VERY SERIOUS ACCUSATIONS TO PUBLICLY MAKE ABOUT THE CHURCH, THE ELDERS, AND GOD'S PEOPLE! VERY SERIOUS. One should not receive such accusations except in the mouth of two or three witnesses.
Is that you definition for God? An all-seeing eye?You can block some of the people some of the time, but you can't block all of the people all of the time.
There's an all-seeing eye watching you, watching you...
Dear Preacher's Wife,On August 18, 2006, "Alleged" preacher's wife (her designation) stated: "Crump - Thought you should know that I have an appt. w/an attorney Monday.
I wasn't kidding. Remove all the posts on this site from iB/FS."
Response by Dr. Bill Crump: "Alleged" preacher's wife (her designation) demands that I delete all messages that were extracted from "iB/FS" and posted here at ConcernedMembers. Since I am not a moderator of ConcernedMembers and never have been, I have neither the power, capability, nor authority to delete any messages or threads on this site. Only the moderators of this site can do that. Furthermore, I have neither extracted any messages from "iB/FS" at any time, nor have I posted those said messages here to ConcernedMembers at any time.
Statement made by Dr. Bill Crump
August 18, 2006
Who be Waning Moon?SAVED FROM PREACHING, SINGING, MUSIC AND OTHER SORCERERS (Rev 18)
Since FaithSlight has been declared a Testesterone Free Zone (whatever the sex), the truly outrageous discussion is back to CHANGING the Word of God and THEN discussing it. Waning Moon quotes the CREED and asks for CONFORMITY:
This mistranslates Ephesians 2 because the beginning of the chapter has Paul quoting his usual reference to the act of Baptism. Since Zwingli in about 1525 and the MISUSE by Baptists, the word JUSTIFICATION has been SWITCHED to SALVATION. Salvation is ONLY throught CHRIST ALONE; salvation is not by FAITH ALONE which puts the POWER in the "beleiver" and denies Christ.
- <font color=red>We believe that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and in him alone.</font>
SALVATION IS FROM FALSE RELIGIONISM WITH PERFORMANCE MUSIC CALLED PROSTITUTION.
We have looked at being SAVED FROM this wicked and perverted GENERATION and proven that this points directly to the musical, charismatic religionism where MERCHANDISERS (called prostitutes by Peter because they RETAIL the Word of God just as occupation). Jesus defines them as THE seed of the Devil because "they speak on their own" and John refused to baptize them because they were THE VIPER generation of Kenites or Cainites who plagued the temple as the musical sodomites in the Abomination of Desolation. They will be baptised by the SPIRIT of FIRE and the SPIRIT of BURNING.
Next, people who quote isolated verses cannot read the Word of God because 2 Cor. 3 proves that the UNCONVERTED cannot read what is HOLY. Righteousness is not the same as SALVATION which is not the same as REGENERATION.
If we ACCEPT that love then we WILL do what we are commanded to do. AFTER we have been declared JUST when we believe and ACCEPT Jesus Christ, we still need to be SAVED. But, saved FROM what and TO what? Being saved from the WICKED AND PERVERTED race of people is to GO OUTSIDE the camp or institutions and find Jesus Christ. There, Jesus gives us REST from these same institutional BURDEN LADERS. That BURDEN is "spiritual anxiety created through religious rituals." The word REST or Greek PAUL often means to STOP the speaking, STOP the singing, STOP the musical instruments" and everything which interferes with the VOICE of Jesus when we "teach that which HE HAS taught."
- <font color=blue>Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die:
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his LOVE toward us,
- yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
- in that, while we were yet sinners,
Christ died for us.
Romans 5:9 points to the same ORGY or creation of MENTAL EXCITEMENT. Why? Because those who AROUSE us intend to "carry us away" for their OWN USES. In Romans 15:1 the word PLEASE or pleasure is almost always PERVERTED but Paul demands that we please FOR EDUCATION:
WRATH or ORGE or ORGY is the "worship of EROS." That is why the "new style praise singing" is EROTIC and demeaning to Jesus Christ. Therefore, when you see and hear and FEEL the level of performance preaching, singing, hand clapping and with or without instruments you have a VISUAL AID of a Satanic attack on Jesus Who died to remove the laded burden and the BURDEN LADERS who are spiritual prostitutes and sorcerers in the words of John in Revelation 18:22
- <font color=blue>Rom 5:9 Much more then,
- being now justified by his blood,
we SHALL BE saved
from wrath through him.
A similar word which speaks of the Dionysiacs and Orphics who had to be SILENCED in Romans 14 before "ekklesia" or synagogue or school of the Bible can be held with NO performers:
You cannot be SAVED TO becoming a DISCIPLE of Jesus Christ until you have been SAVED FROM what takes place in CHURCHES named after CIRCE the "holy whore" of Revelation 18: here singers, musicians and other BUFFOONS are really SORCERERS according to John.
- <font color=blue>Areskos
A. pleasing, mostly in bad sense, obsequious, cringing,
II. areskos, ho, the staff borne by pornoboskoi [brothel keeper] on the stage, Poll.4.120.
Arist.EN1108a28 Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics book 2
 In respect of pleasantness and social amusement, the middle character is witty and the middle disposition Wittiness; the excess is Buffoonery and its possessor a buffoon; the deficient man may be called boorish, and his disposition Boorishness. In respect of general pleasantness in life, the man who is pleasant in the proper manner is friendly, and the observance of the mean is Friendliness; he that exceeds, if from no interested motive, is obsequious, if for his own advantage, a flatterer;
1. A city buffoon, droll, jester (usually in the suite of wealthy persons, and accordingly a kind of parasite; syn.: -Of the clown in a pantomime, Juv. 13,</font>
The word REST Jesus died to give us is the Greek PAUO. It demands that we STOP the speaking, stop the singing, stop the music and stop EVERYTHING which arouses mental excitement. This PREVENTS the one another speaking of "that which is written" and aroused PANIC which the DEMAGOGUES sell (prostitute) as the "holy spirit person." They CLAIM to be THE MEDIATORS to "bring you into the presence of God." They ARE "standing in the holy places CLAIMING to be God." BUT fools love to be fooled!
- <font color=blue>Quintus Horatius Flaccus, Satyrarum libri 1.2.5
The tribes of female flute-players,1 quacks, vagrants, mimics, blackguards;2 all this set is sorrowful and dejected on account of the death of the singer Tigellius; for he was liberal [toward them]. On the other hand, this man, dreading to be called a spendthrift, will not give a poor friend  wherewithal to keep off cold and pinching hunger.
Note 2 Mendici, mimae, balatrones . The priests of Isis and Cybele were beggars by profession, and under the vail of religion were often guilty of the most criminal excesses.
Mimae were players of the most debauched and dissolute kind; and balatrones, in general, signifies all scoundrels, buffoons, and parasites, who had their name, according to the old commentator, from Servilius Balatro. Balatrones hoc genus omne, for omne hoc balatronum genus, is a remarkable sort of construction.</font>