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Dave,Put it any way you want it, but Enoch is not part of the Holy Word of God for a reason. William Crump could be added to the list along with Ken Sublett who just don't believe that God is Powerful enough to keep His Holy Word intact, and fully sufficient. If God would have wanted Enoch to be a part of the Holy Scriptures, you can believe that it would have been.
Jude does not claim to quote from the book of Enoch, but DOES quote from Enoch himself. The Scripture in Jude coincides with the purported book of Enoch, yet this DOES not give it any more legitimate credence than Tolkien's book, The Hobbit.
Those who would give Enoch legitimacy as Inspired Scripture would also ADD other books as well. God led certain men to compile and translate the FULLY COMPLETE Scriptures. Do William Crump and Ken Sublett believe themselves to be vicars of God, led to add more books to the fully complete Word?
Enoch showed himself to be a special man of God, one who loved God, and taken from this earth before death. Let us leave him honored as such.
The "Enoch" story is told many times in the Bible. For instance "Christ" is God working through instrumental means: Word, Spirit, Grace, Pillar, Cloud, Rock, Water.You are NOT a disciple if you trust those who "private interpret" meaning "further expounding" or who corrupt the Word meaning "selling learning at retail." The same word speaks of adultery.
The REPUDIATION of Christ's command which connects "remission of sins with baptism" is one of the end time marks which fits perfectly with the rise of MUSIC which was introduced in the Garden of Eden by Lucifer (Zoe) who was the "singing and harp playing prostitute" which is consistent with the end time Babylon mother of harlots (Rev 17) whose "ministers" are speakers, singers and instrument players: John calls them SORCERERS and so all musical terms define closing the rational or spiritual mind so the garbage will be accepted by those lulled to sleep (the Locust-Muse code) so they can be given the sting of death.
This fits most of the latest spawn of preachers trained to go out and betray godly people. Rebeling against authority is one of the MARKS of Christ prophey about the CHILDREN in Isaiah3.
Jesus used a word (translated in both Latin and Greek) which defines those who do not COMPLY with "he that believeth AND is baptized SHALL be saved" as in REVOLT or TREACHEROUS. They in effect tell Jesus Christ that HE has no power to save.
Remembering that both Jesus through His Apostles were carrying out the search for the TINY REMNANT still alive in Jerusalem who had not bowed to Baal. And that baptism was FOR or IN ORDER to the remission of sins where one's PERSONAL faith is like filthy rags: it is THE FAITH of Jesus Christ which contains the power in contrast to THE LAW which was imposed on those not fit for salvation because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.
Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers
rejected the counsel of God against themselves,
being not baptized of him.
The MARK of the MEN who could not or as VIPERS not fit to be baptized would be baptized with WIND and FIRE as the VIPER race. Jesus then MARKED them with the prophecy of Isaiah 3 where the men are marked by music as effeminate:
Luke 7:31 And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the MEN of this generation? and to what are they like?
Luke 7:32 They are like unto CHILDREN sitting in the marketplace
and calling one to another, and saying,
We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced;
we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept
The Latin for Mark 16:16 defines FAITH as TRUST and not simple believing a fact
Mark 16. qui crediderit et baptizatus fuerit salvus erit qui vero non crediderit condemnabitur
He that BELIEVETH complies with what is commanded.
A. Credo I. Orig. belonging to the lang. of business, to GIVE CREDIT. to give as a loan, to loan, lend, make or loan to any one: (vilicus) injussu domini credat nemini;
II. Transf. beyond the circle of business (very freq. in every period and species of composition).
A. With the prevailing idea of intended protection, to commit or consign something
to one for preservation, protection, etc., to intrust to one, = committo, commendo (cf. concredo)
4100. pisteuo, pist-yoo´-o; from 4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially ones spiritual well-being to Christ): believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
2. COMPLY, hs oukh hupeixn oude pisteusn legeis; S.OT625, cf. 646 ;
BELIEVETH NOT does not mean "just haven't decided." THE BELIEVETH NOTS refuse to comply or OBEY the direct connection between Baptism and Salvation or remission of sins which is a clear statement of Jesus in several places.
Soph. OT 625
Oedipus Hardly. I desire your death, not your exile, so that I might show what a thing envy is.
Creon  Are you resolved not to yield or believe? (Pisteo)
Oedipus No, for you persuade me that you are unworthy of trust.
Creon No, for I see you are not sane
He that believeth not in Mark 16 says that Jesus is not worthy of trust. The lowly people "justified God" by being baptized: the Pharisees rejected the command of God by NOT being baptized. They made a conscious decision not to trust the INSTRUMENTAL MEANS Jesus had commanded.
Xen. Sym. 8.36 We could all come to one mind, I think, on the point I am trying to make, if we were to consider the question in this way: of two lads, the objects of the different types of love,
which one would a person prefer to trust (Pisteo) with his money, or his children,
or to lay under the obligation of a favour?
My own belief is that even the person whose love is founded on the loved one's physical beauty would in all these cases rather put his trust (Pisteuo) in him whose loveliness is of the spirit.
Diod. 12.15 Now at first glance a man sees nothing wise or outstanding in this law, but when it is explored deeply it is found to be justly worthy of praise.
For if the reason is sought out why he entrusted (Pisteuo) the property of orphans
to one group and the rearing of them to another, the lawgiver is seen to have shown
an unusual kind of ingenuity
"Raw" faith really has no meaning. You might believe that a floating chunk of ice can support your weight and save your live: you have no FAITH in the way it is used to mean TRUST if you refuse to step on that which you "think" might save your life.
BELIEVETH is defined as the <b>opposite of APISTOS or he that "believeth not."</b>
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned
Apistos To express doubt that it is possible.
I. Pass., not to be trusted, and so:
1. of persons and their acts, not trusty, faithless,
by untrustworthy, groundless confidence, Th.1.120; shifty, unreliable, Pl.Lg.775d.
II. Act., mistrustful, incredulous, suspicious, Od.14.150;
b. in NT, unbelieving, 1 Ep.Cor.6.6, a
2. disobedient, disloyal, S.Fr. 627: c. gen., A.Th.876; ekhein apiston . . anarkhian polei, i.e. anarkhian ekhein apeithousan t polei, ib.1035, cf. E.IT1476.
2. Act., distrustfully, suspiciously, Th.3.83; a. tina diatheinai D.20.22.
Of the numerous examples of how the word is used:
Soph. Trach. 1228
No other man but you must ever marry
this woman who has lain with me in love;
no, you, my son, must take her for your own.
Consent! [Pietho listen to, obey)
To disrespect [Apisteo disobey]
me in small matters
destroys the greater favors you have done
he that believeth not shall be damned because that person has looked the free gift of spiritual life in the face and insulted the Grace of Jesus Christ--I think without redemption if they make a profession out of teaching the opposite of what the Bible and historic scholarship confirms.
Never trust your soul to one who is WAGED to sell you the FREE WATER OF THE WORD: Music as sorcery in the Revelation 18 often ment to slip you a "drug" while singing you a lovely song.
The title of Dave's post should read "66 Books Are Sufficient." A plural subject requires a plural verb.
Yes, Donnie, I did mention about Enoch first. I did so because Ken continues to lament on and on about those who would give their own 'private interpretation' of the Scriptures, yet he does the same.
The book of Enoch, no matter how old a manuscript, is still NOT a part of the Holy Inspired Scriptures.
Maybe we need to add you to the list? This list is for those who simply don't put faith in God that He will protect His Mighty Word. Again, if God wanted Enoch to be a part of the Scriptures, it would have been.
Also, I don't need to quote any other source than that of the 66 Inspired Books of our Lord.
If you care to do so, then that would be on your head.
Dave,Donnie, Joe missed it too. Not surprising, especially when he said..."The Bible includes quotes from uninspired individuals whose statements are false. The fact they are quoted does not validate the statement. For an example of this see Genesis 3:1-5."
Donnie, this is clearly one of those 'duhhhh' moments. No one is saying that the serpent was inspired. Tell Joe to read AND LISTEN. Some people obvioulsy have lost the time honored traditon of how to listen. The serpent was not inspired, but the author who SPOKE about what the serpent said WAS inspred to write it.
Again, a 'duhhhhhhhhh' moment.
Again, whatever was not included, whether it was the book of Jashar, or whatever, was not inlcuded for a reason.
Also the article about the Bible being 65 percent complete is not valid. It is 100 percent complete. God saw to that.
Anyone who doesn't believe that the Holy Scriptures aren't fully complete with everything we need, then they don't believe that God is Who He says He is!
Whatever books were left out, whatever prophecies were untold, is still not a valid reason to say that the Scriptures are incomplete.
Enoch may have been mentioned and quoted, but that doesn't give a man any reason to add to what God has already laid down in writing.
Hey guys, why not say now that the men who compiled the translations weren't led by God.
You really haven't expounded on that yet.
Joe Spivet goes a bit beyond the truth when he say that the NT guotes pagan authors. There are no pagan authors fof the New Testament. The inspired authors quote pagans, but these pagans DID NOT write the books of the NT. None of the passages by Joe Spivey support that any written words in both the NT or OT are uninspired. Yes, the INSPIRED authors do quote from Satan, and Pharaoh and other ungodly men, and no one is questioning that. Again, the art of listening is not held in high regards by Joe S.