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April 24th, 2014, 5:44 pm #11

We have said that CHURCH is the Mark of the Mother of Harlots which was Circe or Kirk: John the Baptists could see her final resting place island from Patmos. The Sun God included Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon who is now the King and SPIRITUS of the Locusts or Musical Worship Teams. Their task is to DRIVE OUT the godly people and collectivize those with the Mark (music) of the Beast (a new style of music or Satyric Drama: the cappella goat fella) whose IMAGE is a REpresenting the Word of God in a song which spits in the face of Jesus.

What Ezekiel defined by the Spirit OF Christ, Paul warned about in Romans 14: the MARK was based on DIET but the paganism out of which some had just come was still practiced in the courts and synagogues of the Jews in Rome.

Celebrating EASTER when Jesus commanded a silent Lord's Supper as the way to show forth or preach His death was NOT so much the SIN as it was the MARK Jesus puts on a CHURCH (Kirke, Circe) as proof that He has removed the speakers, singers, instrument players and all CRAFTSMEN (Staff) from HIS KINGDOM and is holding them captive with the MUSICIANS and ACTORS until time to CAST THEM ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE which is just like the Jews did to infants to the sound of musical instruments.

Based on several Bible texts and the Book of Enoch and similar documents, God doesn't want you to do anything about it because the message is YOU HAVE FALLEN AND CANNOT GET BACK UP.

Matthew 7
3 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, Let me take the speck out of your eye, when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers eye.

How about another "Boy I can say amen to that!"? If you can do so, I would say thank you for your confession and your checking of yourself in the mirror.
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April 24th, 2014, 6:25 pm #12

My training was in electronics engineering: maybe that Is why I never look at specks in my eye when deciding how to engineer a project. If my name was Hitler it would not change a jot or tittle of Scripture or recorded history which repudiates all of the performing arts and crafts (hypocrites) as having an role in the assembly. Beginning in the wilderness the command was to PREACH the word (only) by READING the Word for Comfort and Doctrine.

Christ gifted--if you have one--APT elders to EXCISE the cunning craftsmen or sophists: they are speakers for hire, singers, instrument players or actors. THAT will enable the command to SPEAK that which is written for our learning.

SPEAK is the opposite of ODE and that is why there is no music content in the whole Bible or recorded history until after the reformation. How do I know?

The command was to speak or read the text
There is nothing in the text which is musical in a tuneful sense.
Therefore, we have to wait for 400 years before that chanting type singing was introduced IN ORDER to chant the unwashed Bishops own songs.

If I was a serial killer it would not excuse a preacher for lying, cheating and stealing the church house of widows and HONEST working people.

It sounds like you confess that people LIE and deliberately sow musical discord so that THEY can suck up all of the worship but that "I" don't have the right to yell "THIEF" because you judge that I have an eye problem (it's called a stroke) and should refuse to come to the aid of a young girl being raped in the street.

I post Scripture and recorded history: I know it sounds wacko after a life time of silly sermons and silly songs.

It turns out that the serpent or viper in the garden of Eden is a religious thief who uses devious or winding methods including music and "enchantment" or Sorcery in Revelation 18f.

I put the deliberate discorders in the place of that African Widow who wants to send me 15 million dollars.

The command is to PREACH the Word by READING the Word by vocational elders as the Christ-ordained Pastor-Teachers and vocational Deacons as the "ministers." Ministers like Timothy was to work so that HE could help feed the poor: Ministers don't force people to WORK so they can PERFORM the role Jesus died to get.
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April 25th, 2014, 12:06 am #13

We have said that CHURCH is the Mark of the Mother of Harlots which was Circe or Kirk: John the Baptists could see her final resting place island from Patmos. The Sun God included Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon who is now the King and SPIRITUS of the Locusts or Musical Worship Teams. Their task is to DRIVE OUT the godly people and collectivize those with the Mark (music) of the Beast (a new style of music or Satyric Drama: the cappella goat fella) whose IMAGE is a REpresenting the Word of God in a song which spits in the face of Jesus.

What Ezekiel defined by the Spirit OF Christ, Paul warned about in Romans 14: the MARK was based on DIET but the paganism out of which some had just come was still practiced in the courts and synagogues of the Jews in Rome.

Celebrating EASTER when Jesus commanded a silent Lord's Supper as the way to show forth or preach His death was NOT so much the SIN as it was the MARK Jesus puts on a CHURCH (Kirke, Circe) as proof that He has removed the speakers, singers, instrument players and all CRAFTSMEN (Staff) from HIS KINGDOM and is holding them captive with the MUSICIANS and ACTORS until time to CAST THEM ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE which is just like the Jews did to infants to the sound of musical instruments.

Based on several Bible texts and the Book of Enoch and similar documents, God doesn't want you to do anything about it because the message is YOU HAVE FALLEN AND CANNOT GET BACK UP.

People who find themselves in a failure mode because they have replaced TEACHING the Word to the youth with fun in games, in the words of Joseph Campbell, CRACK AWAY to the Archaic. Paul called it strong delusions when the only Bible is a sermon is twisted.

Easter and Christmas celebration is fore the ONCERS or TWICERS and no matter how much you bring Jesus into shame, they won't become dues paying members.

The Jews rarely celebrated Passover and when they did they, like Jesus and the Apostles, had the LAMB KILLED and roasted. The prophets repudiate the Jews celebration of EASTER. Esther when in captivity refused to celebrate the Babylon "get drunk on wine" feast but it was adopted as the Jews Passover which Jesus repudiates. He instituted the Lord's Supper in the Feast of Unleavened bread which followed Passover. The COMMAND as the way to SHOW FORTH the death of Jesus was NOT the Jewish Passover NOR the Babylonian Worship of Ishtar which is to SHAME Jesus.

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April 25th, 2014, 8:27 pm #14

We have said that CHURCH is the Mark of the Mother of Harlots which was Circe or Kirk: John the Baptists could see her final resting place island from Patmos. The Sun God included Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon who is now the King and SPIRITUS of the Locusts or Musical Worship Teams. Their task is to DRIVE OUT the godly people and collectivize those with the Mark (music) of the Beast (a new style of music or Satyric Drama: the cappella goat fella) whose IMAGE is a REpresenting the Word of God in a song which spits in the face of Jesus.

What Ezekiel defined by the Spirit OF Christ, Paul warned about in Romans 14: the MARK was based on DIET but the paganism out of which some had just come was still practiced in the courts and synagogues of the Jews in Rome.

Celebrating EASTER when Jesus commanded a silent Lord's Supper as the way to show forth or preach His death was NOT so much the SIN as it was the MARK Jesus puts on a CHURCH (Kirke, Circe) as proof that He has removed the speakers, singers, instrument players and all CRAFTSMEN (Staff) from HIS KINGDOM and is holding them captive with the MUSICIANS and ACTORS until time to CAST THEM ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE which is just like the Jews did to infants to the sound of musical instruments.

Based on several Bible texts and the Book of Enoch and similar documents, God doesn't want you to do anything about it because the message is YOU HAVE FALLEN AND CANNOT GET BACK UP.

Ishtar (Easter) as the Queen of Heaven or the mother goddess of the Babylion Trinity is spread throughout the Old Testament: without a knowledge of the Babylonian writers which Moses Inverts to deny that the musical idolaters not sentenced to Babylon, one should never become a supreme LEGALISTS and set up all kinds of ministeries and observations which Jesus said the Kingdom will not come. The Ishtar or Inanna character loved to control men to build her a temple. Then, she got angry, sowed discord among brethren and in a rage tore the temple down. She is a very dangerous lady and when she invades a peaceable church you can bet that church becomes a testesterone-free zone. The history of Ishtar also gets involved with the serpent and the murder of the FATHER god such as Gilgamesh or Nimrod who had his own 'musical worship team'

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April 26th, 2014, 5:55 pm #15


Ken, you seem to refute all church worship activities as relating to the COC, Baptist, etc. Could you give us in some detail on just what you believe to be an appropriate worship service? Please address Sunday school, music, offerings, preaching, announcements, role of females, community involvement, communion, meals, field trips, support of missionary activities, family life centers, etc.

Its easy to condemn others. Just tell us what is right according to Ken.
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April 26th, 2014, 6:21 pm #16

Neither Jesus nor the Apostles or early church history understood that the ekklesia-synagogue was a WORSHIP SERVICE.

The Church of Christ in the wilderness defined by Christ excluded everything but REST (rest from whatever), Reading and Rehearsing the Word. Even the Gentiles were wise unto salvation because they attended synagogue to escape the performance worship services.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Paul practiced and commanded the ONE PIECE PATTERN for those who assemble THEMSELVES: If the oncers or twicers came to church Sunday you probably are not an Assembly:

1Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1Timothy 4:11 These things command and teach.
1Timothy 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
1Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
1Timothy 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
1Timothy 4:15 Meditate upon these things;
meletae NOT melos

WORSHIP HAPPENS ONLY IN THE MIND as giving attendance

give thyself WHOLLY to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
1Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that HEAR thee.


How do YOU plan to obey the direct command when you are FORCED or COERCED to "give all of your HEED to the preacher's self-speak or to violating the direct and singing that which IS NOT WRITTEN FOR YOUR LEARNING?

THE RESTORERS UNDERSTOOD NUMBERS 10

Thomas Campbell in blue: "who, at the same time are ignorant of, and even averse to, the religion it inculcates; and whilst others profess to embrace it as a system of religion,

without imbibing the spirit, realizing the truth, and experiencing the power of its religious institutions; but merely superstruct to themselves, rest in, and are satisfied with, a form (acts) of godliness; and that, very often, a deficient, imperfect form, or such as their own imagination has devised;
"let us, with an open bible before us, distinguish and contemplate that religion which it enjoins and exhibits--I mean the religion of christianity, for it also exhibits the religion of Judaism;
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but with this, in the mean time,
.....we christians have nothing directly to do--
.....we derive our religion immediately from the New Testament.
"The author and ultimate object of our holy religion, is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, by his Spirit, speaking in Christ and his holy apostles.

"The principle of this holy religion within us, is faith, a correspondent faith; that is, a belief, or inwrought persuasion by, and according to, the word of truth,

in all points corresponding to the revelation which God has made of himself through Jesus Christ by the Spirit. Hence, being rooted and grounded in the truth of this revelation, by faith in the divine testimony,

.....we contemplate and worship God inwardly;
.....that is, adore and reverence him IN our souls, according to the characters and attributes under which he has revealed himself to us.


In time the Campbells understood that the Lord's Supper was the OTHER thing Jesus commanded as a way to show forth or PREACH the Death of Jesus." This repudiates Ishtar worship.

That's it. There is no Bible authority nor historic precedence for anything beyond being A SCHOOL OF THE WORD. That was the church of my youth when the Christ ordained elders were the Pastor-Teachers of the flock. The influx of preachers (by my direct knowledge) was a flock of young men who needed to dodge the draft.

Since I am safe in saying that you don't know of a congregation who doesn't work its little heart out (legalism) making certain that Jesus is made Dumb. I am doing "church" in Jeremiah 11 this morning to prove that the DUMBING is done by music.

For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal. Jer 11:17

Jer 11:18 And the Lord hath given me knowledge of it, and I know it: then thou showedst me their doings.
Jer 11:19 But I was like a lamb or an ox that is brought to the slaugher; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me,


This was the worship of the MOTHER GODDESS

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April 26th, 2014, 7:58 pm #17


Do you feel betrayed by the local churches of Christ because they use music in church? Do you remember churches that chanted? I'm not trying to trap you but trying to understand you.
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April 26th, 2014, 8:23 pm #18

Sarge, ... ... ....

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April 26th, 2014, 8:25 pm #19

Do you feel betrayed by the local churches of Christ because they use music in church? Do you remember churches that chanted? I'm not trying to trap you but trying to understand you.
When you quote the Biblical Text, definitions of words and the historic parallels, that does NOT mean that you are somehow mentally deranged.

I only speak to those who claim that:

They Claim: God commanded that we SING Psalms
They Claim: Psalms means to PLAY a flute and drums
They Claim: Therefore, we have decided to divert YOUR monies you gave to the Lord and give it to a Musical Worship Team of trained singers and instrument players.

When you define LAWS OF MUSIC as a means of WORSHIP.
The natural result is that they can define MUSIC any way they wish and the OWNERS opinion has no value. The more COMPLEX the musical performance the more that it "uses up" all of your thinking ability. The most primative people understood that lots of tuneful sounds could so disable you that they could steal your sheep and make you praise them.

Horace Ode 2.13
Attend on each: but when the song
Of combat tells and tyrants fled,
Keen ears, press'd shoulders, closer throng.
What marvel, when at those sweet airs
The hundred-headed beast spell-bound
Each black ear droops, and Furies' hairs
Uncoil their serpents at the sound?
Prometheus too and Pelops' sire
In listening lose the sense of woe;
Orion hearkens to the lyre,
And lets the lynx and lion go.


That's why the Bible and the Classics called musical performance a device used by people, as they mocked Jesus, "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter."

To post that is not a sign of being mentally disturbed: the Scriptures still stand as written for our learning. Those OF the World have no interest in being a school for those NOT OF the World; Jesus said He doesn't even pray for them.

And they define the LAW of giving as an ACT of that worship.
The natural end game is that they claim that when they get your money, it now belongs to the "lord" and they make decisions for the lord.

The first example of giving for the Tabernacle was based on free will giving and no one had the right to divert the money to build their own houses before David and Solomon.

SPEAK to yourselves that which is written for our learning
ODE and PSALLO IN THE HEART which in 1 cor 14 means SILENT.

All of the musical terms mark those who no longer listen to the WORD which they actually claim has been replaced. They claim that God gave them NEW SPECTACLES to get a NEW VISION for the church.

Job 21:12 They sing to the music of tambourine and harp;
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they make merry to the sound of the flute.
Job 21:13 They spend their days in wealth, and in a moment go down to the grave.
21:14 THEREFORE they say unto God
.....Depart from us;
.....for we desire not the knowledge of thy ways.
Job 21:15 What is the Almighty, that we should serve him?
.....and what profit should we have, if we pray unto him?


The religious festivals were "worship services." However, even in a secular sense Christ warned like Job:

Isaiah 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine,
.....are in their feasts:
.....but they regard not the work of the LORD,
.....neither consider the operation of his hands.


Musical sounds such as God's "song" in Isaiah 5 are laments for a people starved for the Word of God and therefore taken into captivity.

Jeremiah 48:35 Moreover I will cause to cease in Moab, saith the LORD, him that offereth in the high places, and him that burneth incense to his gods.

Jeremiah 48:36 THEREFORE mine heart shall sound for Moab like pipes, and mine heart shall sound like pipes for the men of Kir-heres: because the riches that he hath gotten are perished.


When you hear the SOUNDS-LIKE harps and other "panic" sounds it is a sound of JUDGMENT and the message to the living is to Preach the gospel to all nations."

The path to seeing the School of the Word as a "worship ritual" automatically leads to heaping up more and more ACTS OR WORKS to make certain that God gets the message.

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April 27th, 2014, 11:35 pm #20


2 Samuel 23

King James Version (KJV)


1 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,

2 The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

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The book of Psalms has not only been affectionately read, but has throughout the ages been the only inspired hymn book of the New Testament Church. Just as the Jews, no doubt, used them in temple and synagogue worship, the early Christians sang or chanted the psalms in their worship.
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