Elders at Madison write a letter???

Jimmy Wren
Jimmy Wren

December 25th, 2005, 7:54 am #1

The following letter is posted at the Madison Church of Christ web site.

<font color=indigo face>Honorable __________________

We are engaged in a war in Iraq to keep our citizens free from the random acts of violence brought on by terrorists,yet in our own country our citizens are killing each other at an alarming rate.Thus far in 2005,there have been 90,and counting,murders in Nashville,Tennessee.The gang problem increases daily,many are allowed to cross our borders without concern,and we continue to kill unborn babies by the score without regard for human life.

The drug problem is completely out of control.The occasional “drug bust ” does not even slow or deter the business on the street.

We cannot turn on our television and share two programs consecutively without being offended.We are told to buy “chips ” and watch ratings to protect our children..What about our adults?Pornography
is rampant and is one of the major causes of divorce in America.The family unit as created by God is crumbling.

We have allowed gambling to become a national pastime and a legal addiction that is just another legaladdiction added to the growing list.When sin is dressed up and legal,all lose a sense of its destructive power.

We once had laws on common decency.Now,we witness sexual acts in our parks in broad daylight. Homosexuality is being viewed as an alternate lifestyle and blamed on birth,which is a slap in the face of God.

We have been so concerned about civil rights that we have neglected civil wrongs.There must be a limit to what we are going to allow or America is going to go into the scrap heap of past civilizations
that forgot God and common morality.We have small groups attempting to remove God from every institution within America.Our forefathers founded this country on a belief in God and now our children cannot pray in school,Scripture is illegal in government buildings and now even Christmas is being attacked.When are we going to stand up for what is right in this country?

We know that freedom is not free and liberty cannot be defined as license.We are aware that good morals cannot be legislated,but legislation must not support bad morals either.

We need your help and influence in bringing the American people back to a sense of what is right.If indeed,America is great because she is good,then to keep America great,we must keep her good.

We appreciate your service to your great nation and humbly request that you stand in the gap with courage to defend us at home even as you do abroad.We will stand with you.May God bless America.

Elders

Madison Church of Christ </font> (end)

I can appreciate the elders for the thoughts contained in this letter but there is even a more pressing need! Not only do we need to keep American good - we need to keep the Church true to the Word!

How can elders, who lead a church down the wrong path, complain about the leadership of America?

In Christ,

Jimmy



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Donnie Cruz
Donnie Cruz

December 25th, 2005, 11:12 am #2

<font size=3 face=times new roman>One Sunday recently, there was an announcement concerning the above letter. Actually, the letter was read at the “contemporary” assembly by one of the elders. My recollection is that members were encouraged to pick up a copy of the letter and to spread the good news [not of salvation, BTW, but] of “Let’s Do Something” and share it with neighboring churches regardless of “faith.”

Stapled to the front of the above letter was another letter as follows:</font>
  • <font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>Madison Church of Christ
    PRAISING — SERVING — CARING


    Dear _________________________

    Are you “sick and tired” of being “sick and tired” of the moral move in America? Then, let’s do something.

    Please take the enclosed letter and use it as a model for your own. DO NOT XEROX IT FOR MASS USE. We want to get the attention of our leaders. A hand written letter gets that attention.

    You will find the addresses of our state representatives enclosed. We hope you will participate and encourage others to join in. If you don’t speak up, who will?

    Kindest regards,</font>
<font size=3 face=times new roman>Interestingly, there’s no signature below “Kindest regards.” Why? Because this is a letter being sent by a Madison member to a “denominational” friend; thus, “we are all in this together….” Somewhat a unique method of advertising how to “fellowship with” those of other religious faiths! It reminds me of Rubel Shelly of the former Woodmont Hills Church of Christ and his activities in connection with the Billy Graham Crusade in Nashville some years ago.

In the Madison Marcher [ http://www.madisoncofc.org/Marcher/pdfs/12-07-05.pdf ], we find both letters—the front letter is titled, </font>
  • <font color=indigo size=4 face=times new roman>”Let’s Do Something!”</font>

    <font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>Are you sick … DO NOT XEROX IT FOR MASS USE. . . . [and signed]

    Kindest regards,

    The Elders</font>
<font size=3 face=times new roman>BTW, did you see the “Christmas Drama” advertised as “A Christian Carol”?

Donnie</font>
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Joined: May 3rd, 2006, 3:17 am

May 3rd, 2006, 3:39 am #3

The following letter is posted at the Madison Church of Christ web site.

<font color=indigo face>Honorable __________________

We are engaged in a war in Iraq to keep our citizens free from the random acts of violence brought on by terrorists,yet in our own country our citizens are killing each other at an alarming rate.Thus far in 2005,there have been 90,and counting,murders in Nashville,Tennessee.The gang problem increases daily,many are allowed to cross our borders without concern,and we continue to kill unborn babies by the score without regard for human life.

The drug problem is completely out of control.The occasional “drug bust ” does not even slow or deter the business on the street.

We cannot turn on our television and share two programs consecutively without being offended.We are told to buy “chips ” and watch ratings to protect our children..What about our adults?Pornography
is rampant and is one of the major causes of divorce in America.The family unit as created by God is crumbling.

We have allowed gambling to become a national pastime and a legal addiction that is just another legaladdiction added to the growing list.When sin is dressed up and legal,all lose a sense of its destructive power.

We once had laws on common decency.Now,we witness sexual acts in our parks in broad daylight. Homosexuality is being viewed as an alternate lifestyle and blamed on birth,which is a slap in the face of God.

We have been so concerned about civil rights that we have neglected civil wrongs.There must be a limit to what we are going to allow or America is going to go into the scrap heap of past civilizations
that forgot God and common morality.We have small groups attempting to remove God from every institution within America.Our forefathers founded this country on a belief in God and now our children cannot pray in school,Scripture is illegal in government buildings and now even Christmas is being attacked.When are we going to stand up for what is right in this country?

We know that freedom is not free and liberty cannot be defined as license.We are aware that good morals cannot be legislated,but legislation must not support bad morals either.

We need your help and influence in bringing the American people back to a sense of what is right.If indeed,America is great because she is good,then to keep America great,we must keep her good.

We appreciate your service to your great nation and humbly request that you stand in the gap with courage to defend us at home even as you do abroad.We will stand with you.May God bless America.

Elders

Madison Church of Christ </font> (end)

I can appreciate the elders for the thoughts contained in this letter but there is even a more pressing need! Not only do we need to keep American good - we need to keep the Church true to the Word!

How can elders, who lead a church down the wrong path, complain about the leadership of America?

In Christ,

Jimmy


What seems to be the problem with the way Madison has gone?... It isn't your desicion to say that the Elders of MY church are wrong. You know the last time I recalled it said something in the Bible about judging people... But who am I to say. You can stick to your traditions and I'll stick to mine.
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Dr. Max Moon
Dr. Max Moon

May 6th, 2006, 10:28 pm #4

The following letter is posted at the Madison Church of Christ web site.

<font color=indigo face>Honorable __________________

We are engaged in a war in Iraq to keep our citizens free from the random acts of violence brought on by terrorists,yet in our own country our citizens are killing each other at an alarming rate.Thus far in 2005,there have been 90,and counting,murders in Nashville,Tennessee.The gang problem increases daily,many are allowed to cross our borders without concern,and we continue to kill unborn babies by the score without regard for human life.

The drug problem is completely out of control.The occasional “drug bust ” does not even slow or deter the business on the street.

We cannot turn on our television and share two programs consecutively without being offended.We are told to buy “chips ” and watch ratings to protect our children..What about our adults?Pornography
is rampant and is one of the major causes of divorce in America.The family unit as created by God is crumbling.

We have allowed gambling to become a national pastime and a legal addiction that is just another legaladdiction added to the growing list.When sin is dressed up and legal,all lose a sense of its destructive power.

We once had laws on common decency.Now,we witness sexual acts in our parks in broad daylight. Homosexuality is being viewed as an alternate lifestyle and blamed on birth,which is a slap in the face of God.

We have been so concerned about civil rights that we have neglected civil wrongs.There must be a limit to what we are going to allow or America is going to go into the scrap heap of past civilizations
that forgot God and common morality.We have small groups attempting to remove God from every institution within America.Our forefathers founded this country on a belief in God and now our children cannot pray in school,Scripture is illegal in government buildings and now even Christmas is being attacked.When are we going to stand up for what is right in this country?

We know that freedom is not free and liberty cannot be defined as license.We are aware that good morals cannot be legislated,but legislation must not support bad morals either.

We need your help and influence in bringing the American people back to a sense of what is right.If indeed,America is great because she is good,then to keep America great,we must keep her good.

We appreciate your service to your great nation and humbly request that you stand in the gap with courage to defend us at home even as you do abroad.We will stand with you.May God bless America.

Elders

Madison Church of Christ </font> (end)

I can appreciate the elders for the thoughts contained in this letter but there is even a more pressing need! Not only do we need to keep American good - we need to keep the Church true to the Word!

How can elders, who lead a church down the wrong path, complain about the leadership of America?

In Christ,

Jimmy


What is wrong about Madison's Path?

Is it the music? They not preaching baptism no more? What be the problem, homey?
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Donnie Cruz
Donnie Cruz

May 6th, 2006, 11:33 pm #5

<font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>Great questions!

Perhaps, they can best be answered with what’s happened since Rick Warren’s “church growth” scheme [scam, rather] was implemented. Certain controversial and unnecessary changes were introduced to make the “worship services” homey. For example, what? The “worship leader” one Sunday morning surprised [shocked?] the congregation when the “Praise Team” [the “Choir Boys (and Girls)”] were brought in with their microphones at “max”-ed volume to perform their rehearsed musical program. The congregation has never been the same since the upheaval when half of its members fled. The departure was heightened by the “admonition” from the divided “shepherdship” in favor of the new cause to the members to—“get over it; we must moveon….”

Baptism … and other issues—we’ll deal with them later on. Let’s just first grasp the extent of the damage explained above.

Donnie</font>
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Dr. Max Moon
Dr. Max Moon

May 7th, 2006, 2:01 am #6

Sounds like even I would not have cared for the way they handled things. Sounds like they screwed up.

However, I don't find instruments to be sinful. I find irreverent worship to be sinful. I don't care for praise teams. Don't mind a good choir now and then, but no praise teams.

Of course I don't completely agree with you on baptism, I am a conservative fundamentalist evangelical.
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Donnie Cruz
Donnie Cruz

May 7th, 2006, 3:26 am #7

<font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>Wrong or not, instrumental music has not been an issue at Madison [not yet, anyway]. The “Worship Leader” with his choir boys and girls [whether or not he sees and is (un)willing to admit it] is the initial troublemaker. I honestly believe that he is still THE problem; no matter how superior is his “Praise Team” and all its “rehearsed musical worship” performances. To me, much of the programmed/rehearsed joy of rhythmic clapping—which does not emanate from the vocal chords—simulates instrumental sounds. Anyway, the likelihood is not that the congregation is going instrumental. Why? Because the “Worship Leader” owns a business or organization in the name of religion, and it’s called “Acappella Ministries.” Instrumental music (other than non-vocal rhythmic clapping) will go against his business/religious ministry.

I wonder often what would become of Madison if his minstrels were “eradicated.” You see … they’re doing the praising to God for the congregation. The elite 16-member team, from what I’ve learned from someone who is knowledgeable of the “sound system(s),” has got their phony microphones rigged so that the praising sounded from a “thousand tongues,” instead of only 16 performers.

Donnie</font>
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Donnie Cruz
Donnie Cruz

May 8th, 2006, 12:29 pm #8

<font color=indigo size=3 face=times new roman>Not only does the elite Praise Team (both women and men) co-lead, it also dominates with the “sound effects” from the microphones. One moment the PT members would sing the “Holy Ground Medley” seemingly reverently. Then, there’s “Holy Laughter” [clap-clap, clap-clap-clap] as it performs: “Every knee shall bow at Your throne in worship.” Maybe, it’s the kneecaps clapping while they kneel in “reverent” prayer.

It’s all about the beat of the music, isn’t it? Whatever arouses the nerve endings, “Hallowed Be Thy Name” is insignificant—just emulate the “Worship Leader’s” mockery, right?</font>
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