David Young: John defines trinitarians as Antichrists

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January 15th, 2014, 6:20 pm #41

Unless David Young gives you a free farm or orchard YOU do not have to give the church a widow's mite. First fruits are not a tenth but the first cluster off the vines David gave you: you take the FIRST fruits to David and he eats it in the church house and gets nothing for a whole year.

Tithes also were to feed the tribe of Levi whom God commanded to keep their abandonment to Babylonianism inside the gates and eat food only while on rotating duty so that he never leaves the "church house." Paul said that there is no command to give to anyone.

http://www.piney.com/Honor.God.with.You ... Young.html

David Young as Preaching Minister claims authority.<b>

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Minister.html

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Firs ... Model.html


Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

I have updated this and it is a little bit clearer.

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King Experiencing God

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

I am trying to combine several quick responses.

<b>I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE THIS IS DEFINED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS BLASPHEMY OF THE SPIRIT.


http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

Sorry about the tentative look at this. When I first heard of this which fits with the Spiritual Formation going on at places like LU it sounded like Blackaby like most does not have any knowledgeor respect of the context of what he lifts out of context--a preachers role for money and fame.

I finally looked at the book I was using as a mousepad and lo! There was Blackaby suddenly resting on my desk. Please don't let people get into this cult-like folly like the Purpose Driven Cult.




</b>More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.





More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.

Here is the beginning of my review which I will edit in time:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Preach ... ister.html

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

North Boulevard Church of Christ, Murfreesboro, TN: David Young Paper lurching toward Babylon. Jesus promised that He will be OUTSIDE the massed multitude suffering reproaches. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himslf from the WISE.

X.Mem.1.6.13 Xen. Mem. 1.6.13
To this Socrates replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty and wisdom
that there is an honourable a
nd a shameful way of bestowing them.
For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
but we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom,
but we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-ts , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophists . . parapain khelun (harp-player) A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophist Thrki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln [melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]</b>
God says that he hates people who make you pay for the Free Word and impose music in the "holy places." In addition He HATES people who deliberately sow discord just to get their way. Christ in Isaiah 8 says that people who do not speak according to the Law (vocal and instrumental rejoicing outlawed) and Prophets (where Christ repudiates seeking your own pleasure (the only music virtue) and speaking your own words HAVE NO LIGHT IN THEM. I always quote facts to repudiate people who post falsehoods intending to deceive people for profit. That's the meaning of love.

If I am wrong about any of the QUOTED TEXT then, like David, I mount an insanity defense (the Halal word). If they are wrong then they are promised hell (Isaiah 30) and the Lake of Fire.

A liar is anyone who says that God authorized or permitted musical or rhetorical performance when Jesus visits as the only Teacher when the Elders "teach that which has been taught."

FREE SERMON: Because of Instrumental Idolatry at Mount Sinai God abandoned the Israelites "to worship the starry host" and sentenced them to go into Babylon for captivity and death. This caused Moses to begin a history of the CONFLICT between the Sumerians (c. BC 4000) who built temples and performed religious rituals to force people to WORK on the REST day and pay them a TITHE.

Everyone thought that the year 2000 would bring some bad news: it came almost to the date as smooth speakers trained for the PROFESSION of preaching were sent out to sow discord and force everyone to permit their property to be "infiltrated and diverted" for speakers, singers and instrument players. Those who oppose being taken captive are just hateful people with no love

These people USE God's abandonment of Israel as their PATTERN for lying, cheating and stealing the property others built while diving families. It turns out that the Mark of the BEAST has been fulfilled in great detail.

Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon whose "spirit" guides the Muses or sorcerers (Revelation 18) is also defined as THE NUMBER OF A MAN. Preaching violates the direct command of Christ from the wilderness onward: to PREACH the Word (only) by READING the Word for comfort and doctrine. A Church of Christ is A School of the Word of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles.

Jesus failed to gift the church with people to write sermons and perform music and take your health-care money. The elders are commanded to teach that which has been taught. A church of Christ does not do "programs" but allows people to go about their own ministry and use their own money. There is no "law of giving" so Jesus made certain that His assembly would be to REST and come learn of ME. He also made certain that their folly is an UNFUNDED MANDATE.

Because no one can hint of any performance preaching or singing without despising the Word (blasphemy), I assume the right to quote the Scriptures by commission of Jesus and not pass the plate.

Rev. 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth;
and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast,
and upon them which worshipped his image.
Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken,
and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him,
with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast,
and them that worshipped his image.
These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone

If they cannot understand that John called the speakers, singers and instrument players DECEIVERS and SORCERERS, they will not understand the MARK OF THE BEAST which can be understood by being able to read the Word.



<font face="arial" size="4">More to come. If I am wrong then I will mount the David Insanity Defense. If these people work such miracles with not a jot or tittle of God's approval AND the universal mark of the Babylon Mother of harlots then then HELL is the prophetic type by Christ in Isaiah 30 and fulfilled according to Jesus to John in Revelation as being CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. Hell is justice for those who lie to God and about God for their own PROFIT and undoubtedly their ASSIGNMENT since they HAD once deceived the whole world in that c. BC 4000 creating or Bara meaning CASTING DOWN the heavens and earth.
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February 14th, 2014, 9:52 pm #42

Unless David Young gives you a free farm or orchard YOU do not have to give the church a widow's mite. First fruits are not a tenth but the first cluster off the vines David gave you: you take the FIRST fruits to David and he eats it in the church house and gets nothing for a whole year.

Tithes also were to feed the tribe of Levi whom God commanded to keep their abandonment to Babylonianism inside the gates and eat food only while on rotating duty so that he never leaves the "church house." Paul said that there is no command to give to anyone.

http://www.piney.com/Honor.God.with.You ... Young.html

David Young as Preaching Minister claims authority.<b>

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Minister.html

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Firs ... Model.html


Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

I have updated this and it is a little bit clearer.

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King Experiencing God

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

I am trying to combine several quick responses.

<b>I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE THIS IS DEFINED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS BLASPHEMY OF THE SPIRIT.


http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

Sorry about the tentative look at this. When I first heard of this which fits with the Spiritual Formation going on at places like LU it sounded like Blackaby like most does not have any knowledgeor respect of the context of what he lifts out of context--a preachers role for money and fame.

I finally looked at the book I was using as a mousepad and lo! There was Blackaby suddenly resting on my desk. Please don't let people get into this cult-like folly like the Purpose Driven Cult.




</b>More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.





More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.

Here is the beginning of my review which I will edit in time:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Preach ... ister.html

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

North Boulevard Church of Christ, Murfreesboro, TN: David Young Paper lurching toward Babylon. Jesus promised that He will be OUTSIDE the massed multitude suffering reproaches. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himslf from the WISE.

X.Mem.1.6.13 Xen. Mem. 1.6.13
To this Socrates replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty and wisdom
that there is an honourable a
nd a shameful way of bestowing them.
For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
but we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom,
but we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-ts , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophists . . parapain khelun (harp-player) A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophist Thrki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln [melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]</b>
God always provides a way of escape: Kairos is the DEMON son of ZEUS and connects to Apollyon as the leader of the MUSES whatever you call your "musical worship minister" which term is blasphemy and giving to the Rhetorician, singer, players, actors the title of the ONE MEDIATOR between man and God, the MAN Christ Jesus.

False teachers representing three major ONCE-Christian Bible Colleges have pledged to, in the words of Rick Atchley, use music to teach our youth to LEAVE OUR MOVEMENT.

http://www.piney.com/Kairos.Church.Planting.Plot.html

Lipscomb defends the ETHOS church as a daughter of the KAIROS Church Planting movement. Kairos like a flood has descended all over the world to declare it as superior to the Church and the Word or Logos as the "Regulative Principle." They usually remove CHRIST from their public confession, preach "faith only" and many impose A New Style of Music and Drama which is THE definition of the BEAST in Genesis and Revelation.

As usual, these people may be FORCED to adopt names as MARKS as a way of escape. Aside from "time is ripe" to become great ACCUSERS of faithful people, Kairos almost always points to a "time to infiltrate and divert your property" or to afflict you or even kill you.

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February 20th, 2014, 6:03 pm #43

Unless David Young gives you a free farm or orchard YOU do not have to give the church a widow's mite. First fruits are not a tenth but the first cluster off the vines David gave you: you take the FIRST fruits to David and he eats it in the church house and gets nothing for a whole year.

Tithes also were to feed the tribe of Levi whom God commanded to keep their abandonment to Babylonianism inside the gates and eat food only while on rotating duty so that he never leaves the "church house." Paul said that there is no command to give to anyone.

http://www.piney.com/Honor.God.with.You ... Young.html

David Young as Preaching Minister claims authority.<b>

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Minister.html

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Firs ... Model.html


Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

I have updated this and it is a little bit clearer.

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King Experiencing God

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

I am trying to combine several quick responses.

<b>I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE THIS IS DEFINED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS BLASPHEMY OF THE SPIRIT.


http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

Sorry about the tentative look at this. When I first heard of this which fits with the Spiritual Formation going on at places like LU it sounded like Blackaby like most does not have any knowledgeor respect of the context of what he lifts out of context--a preachers role for money and fame.

I finally looked at the book I was using as a mousepad and lo! There was Blackaby suddenly resting on my desk. Please don't let people get into this cult-like folly like the Purpose Driven Cult.




</b>More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.





More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.

Here is the beginning of my review which I will edit in time:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Preach ... ister.html

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

North Boulevard Church of Christ, Murfreesboro, TN: David Young Paper lurching toward Babylon. Jesus promised that He will be OUTSIDE the massed multitude suffering reproaches. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himslf from the WISE.

X.Mem.1.6.13 Xen. Mem. 1.6.13
To this Socrates replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty and wisdom
that there is an honourable a
nd a shameful way of bestowing them.
For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
but we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom,
but we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-ts , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophists . . parapain khelun (harp-player) A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophist Thrki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln [melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]</b>
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February 25th, 2014, 2:54 am #44

Unless David Young gives you a free farm or orchard YOU do not have to give the church a widow's mite. First fruits are not a tenth but the first cluster off the vines David gave you: you take the FIRST fruits to David and he eats it in the church house and gets nothing for a whole year.

Tithes also were to feed the tribe of Levi whom God commanded to keep their abandonment to Babylonianism inside the gates and eat food only while on rotating duty so that he never leaves the "church house." Paul said that there is no command to give to anyone.

http://www.piney.com/Honor.God.with.You ... Young.html

David Young as Preaching Minister claims authority.<b>

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Minister.html

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Firs ... Model.html


Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

I have updated this and it is a little bit clearer.

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King Experiencing God

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

I am trying to combine several quick responses.

<b>I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE THIS IS DEFINED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS BLASPHEMY OF THE SPIRIT.


http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

Sorry about the tentative look at this. When I first heard of this which fits with the Spiritual Formation going on at places like LU it sounded like Blackaby like most does not have any knowledgeor respect of the context of what he lifts out of context--a preachers role for money and fame.

I finally looked at the book I was using as a mousepad and lo! There was Blackaby suddenly resting on my desk. Please don't let people get into this cult-like folly like the Purpose Driven Cult.




</b>More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.





More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.

Here is the beginning of my review which I will edit in time:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Preach ... ister.html

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

North Boulevard Church of Christ, Murfreesboro, TN: David Young Paper lurching toward Babylon. Jesus promised that He will be OUTSIDE the massed multitude suffering reproaches. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himslf from the WISE.

X.Mem.1.6.13 Xen. Mem. 1.6.13
To this Socrates replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty and wisdom
that there is an honourable a
nd a shameful way of bestowing them.
For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
but we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom,
but we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-ts , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophists . . parapain khelun (harp-player) A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophist Thrki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln [melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]</b>
It is not possible to understand to what the Bible often points without knowning as much as the average person of the time. Education and values were transmitted by great epics. Whatever, the myth nature the object was to communicate the knowledge and theology of the people.

After the fall from God's great offer of Grace and liberty at Mount Sinai the people were abandoned to the superstitions for which they "prayed." God gave them their request, they sang His praises but soon forgot or abandoned the Covenant of Grace. Moses writes the One True God's spiritual version which contradicted the slavery of superstitious legalism of people who thought they had to pay God or assist him to keep him-then from failing them--again.

The myths and legends have been the foundation of the Jews and almost all of what is called Christian but is Christianism. The Little Flock is invited to come OUT of the masses to REST and "Learn of Me." That is the meaning of "gospel" Christ defined inclusively and exclusively in the prophets which were certified by Jesus and the only TEXTBOOK for the mostly invisible called out and elected by obedience. Jesus said DON'T GO THERE: the kingdom of God is WITHIN you and does not come with observation or ceremonial legalism.

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February 28th, 2014, 10:20 pm #45

Unless David Young gives you a free farm or orchard YOU do not have to give the church a widow's mite. First fruits are not a tenth but the first cluster off the vines David gave you: you take the FIRST fruits to David and he eats it in the church house and gets nothing for a whole year.

Tithes also were to feed the tribe of Levi whom God commanded to keep their abandonment to Babylonianism inside the gates and eat food only while on rotating duty so that he never leaves the "church house." Paul said that there is no command to give to anyone.

http://www.piney.com/Honor.God.with.You ... Young.html

David Young as Preaching Minister claims authority.<b>

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Minister.html

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Firs ... Model.html


Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

I have updated this and it is a little bit clearer.

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King Experiencing God

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

I am trying to combine several quick responses.

<b>I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE THIS IS DEFINED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS BLASPHEMY OF THE SPIRIT.


http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

Sorry about the tentative look at this. When I first heard of this which fits with the Spiritual Formation going on at places like LU it sounded like Blackaby like most does not have any knowledgeor respect of the context of what he lifts out of context--a preachers role for money and fame.

I finally looked at the book I was using as a mousepad and lo! There was Blackaby suddenly resting on my desk. Please don't let people get into this cult-like folly like the Purpose Driven Cult.




</b>More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.





More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.

Here is the beginning of my review which I will edit in time:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Preach ... ister.html

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

North Boulevard Church of Christ, Murfreesboro, TN: David Young Paper lurching toward Babylon. Jesus promised that He will be OUTSIDE the massed multitude suffering reproaches. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himslf from the WISE.

X.Mem.1.6.13 Xen. Mem. 1.6.13
To this Socrates replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty and wisdom
that there is an honourable a
nd a shameful way of bestowing them.
For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
but we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom,
but we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-ts , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophists . . parapain khelun (harp-player) A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophist Thrki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln [melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]</b>
We have noted and noted and everyone ignores that, The Command of the Spirit OF Christ beginning with the Church in the Wilderness was to give people REST (Sabbath, not a day of worship), Reading that which was supplied and Rehearsing it. That pattern was never changed.

The Word of Christ from God the Father is SPIRIT and LIFE (John 6:63). That means the command to READ or SPEAK the Word (Logos) in all of the Epistles. That means that God knows how to inculcate spiritual values by revealing all of the EPICS (you don't sing them)to be READ in silence and MEDITATE (Meletae not Melos) on them.

However, because the WORLD race cannot rule and tolerate interference in their COMMERCE (religionism), they pervert the Word for their own fun and profit. That is why it is important to understand the PAGAN PATTERNS which God always REFUTES and attributes to the "gods" or CREATURES people worshipped and which destroyed body, soul and spirit.

The Mark of the Beast is not left as FODDER to fuel most of the religious institutions taking the religious superstitious captive by frightening them about the END-TIMES. A believer is baptized to REQUEST A good conscinece or A holy spirit. God translates these "SPIRITS" into a heavenly kingdom protected from observations meaning religious operations PERFORMED by a huge cast of parasitic characters. It is a fact that almost no one cares one way or another. Heard a sermon from Sunday by a preacher lusting for a REVIVAL and planting 60,000 churches probably all wired to his sermons. THIS IS THE TIME, THIS IS THE TIME. Over and over: this is your last chance. KAIROS and ETHOS churches where Kairos is the demon spirit son of Zeus and Chronos father of the PAGAN triads and families of "gods" from the beginning and the end time.

You can see the shadow of the Dark Riff where the stars have returned in their cycle. It has been 6000 since the earth was at the extreme distance away from the galactic center

The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, - Revelation 8:8 one-third of all things living in the sea died, and one-third of all the ships on the sea were destroyed. - Revelation 8:9




http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... nment.html

While everyone is consumed with the physical effects which will be little, it is a well-documented fact that the massive rejection of the CREATOR'S WORD and the return of the pagan Sun and Star worship based on grasping of the Jacob-Cursed and God-abandoned Levites (sorcerers) as part of God's ABANDONMENT of the nation to Worship the Starry host. As AFFECT IMAGES evil mercinary religionists are OF THE WORLD and Jesus and John called them a RACE OF VIPERS, they like the meaning of the LOCUSTS-MUSES seem to have taken captive the masses of the Doctors of the Law: Jesus warned you and they keep flooding into happy churches with an AGENDA which is defined.

The NACC (Christian Church Organization) using a few false preachers as EX-church of Christ (by Christ's definition) held their 2013 BUYING and SELLING meeting and Randy Harris told them how to hold a COSMIS WORSHIP SERVICE. Timely? The VICTORY they celebrate is premature

http://www.piney.com/NACC.2013.Victorius.Review.html

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March 1st, 2014, 5:06 pm #46

Unless David Young gives you a free farm or orchard YOU do not have to give the church a widow's mite. First fruits are not a tenth but the first cluster off the vines David gave you: you take the FIRST fruits to David and he eats it in the church house and gets nothing for a whole year.

Tithes also were to feed the tribe of Levi whom God commanded to keep their abandonment to Babylonianism inside the gates and eat food only while on rotating duty so that he never leaves the "church house." Paul said that there is no command to give to anyone.

http://www.piney.com/Honor.God.with.You ... Young.html

David Young as Preaching Minister claims authority.<b>

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Minister.html

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Firs ... Model.html


Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

I have updated this and it is a little bit clearer.

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King Experiencing God

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

I am trying to combine several quick responses.

<b>I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE THIS IS DEFINED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS BLASPHEMY OF THE SPIRIT.


http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

Sorry about the tentative look at this. When I first heard of this which fits with the Spiritual Formation going on at places like LU it sounded like Blackaby like most does not have any knowledgeor respect of the context of what he lifts out of context--a preachers role for money and fame.

I finally looked at the book I was using as a mousepad and lo! There was Blackaby suddenly resting on my desk. Please don't let people get into this cult-like folly like the Purpose Driven Cult.




</b>More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.





More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.

Here is the beginning of my review which I will edit in time:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Preach ... ister.html

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

North Boulevard Church of Christ, Murfreesboro, TN: David Young Paper lurching toward Babylon. Jesus promised that He will be OUTSIDE the massed multitude suffering reproaches. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himslf from the WISE.

X.Mem.1.6.13 Xen. Mem. 1.6.13
To this Socrates replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty and wisdom
that there is an honourable a
nd a shameful way of bestowing them.
For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
but we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom,
but we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-ts , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophists . . parapain khelun (harp-player) A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophist Thrki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln [melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]</b>
David young follows the patternism of the false accusers: he makes a career out of REFUTING all of the Spirit's warning that instrumental sounds are called witchcraft or sorcery because the Cunning Craftsmen or Sophists (rhetoricians, singers, instrument players) says Paul in Ephesians 4 LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE..

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

He continually says that Scripture COMMANDS instrumental music by quoting passages out of context knowing that he is sowing discord.

If anyone resists people lie and stealing the church houses of godly people for his own fun and profits, he whines that all of the world is lost, he is called to save them, and WE talk about "instrumental music." Why do they deceive and then blame the shot victim for bleeding? Because you can fool most of the people most of the time.

Th. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first, [Apostasia rebellion against God]
and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;

The JUDAS BOX (he was a thief) is always attached to the spotted flute case. Paul's message is defined in the texts as "don't get fluted down with wine." It also means to be intoxicated with pride and ignorance. When you see him/her standing in the holy place with "worship teams" preparing you for instruments it is the abomination of desolation.








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March 4th, 2014, 1:39 am #47

Our preacher says that a spirit guides him because we live in another culture. Is this true?

Yes: The "spiritus" of Abaddon or Apollyon is the LEADER of the Muses: the muses were identified as dirty adulteresses (whatever the sex) as SHEPHERDESSES John called Sorcerers in Revelation 18. He says, as Christ in Isaiah 30, that the sounds are proof that the LAMPS (seven spirits of divine knowledge" have also been removed from God's kingdom which "does not come with observation" meaning religious observations. The Spirit OF God is the BREATH of God which transfers the WORD of God to Jesus the Son WITHOUT metron or meter. As proof, the command is to preach the WORD by READING the Word for comfort and doctrine. As a MARK God did not give any Word through meter and they CANNOT be sung. If you make music the PROOF is that you fabricate your own songs and sermons because in Isaiah 8 Christ says THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.

2Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ,
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
to them that have obtained LIKE precious faith WITH US
.....through the righteousness OF GOD
.....AND our SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST


Peter denies that Jesus of Nazareth was/is a MEMBER of a Family of Gods.
People despise or blaspheme the Word when they say that the inspired Peter who was eye-- and ear--witness of the risen Jesus was TOO IGNORANT to say to clear up the confusing about the ALWAYS PAGAN trinities to say:

Through the righteous of God-Father, Son and Spirit
and out SAVIOUR Jesus Christ.


But that would deny that Jesus was righteous or that Father and Son were the Saviour

2Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you
.....through the knowledge of God, [Theos]
..... and of Jesus our Lord, [Kurios]


But, the triadists WILL claim that the trinity was God, Jesus and a Spirit person. However, God will not let them read or confess that:

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
.....that God
.....HATH MADE that same Jesus<b> [of Nazareth], whom ye have crucified,
.....<b>both Lord and Christ
. </b></b>


Jesus was the SON of God and not God. Jesus of Nazareth was the SEED (sperm) of Abraham which came through Mary. It was initiated or sparked into division by God's Spirit or Mind.

Godhead is Theotes meaning that Jesus was filled with THE DIVINE NATURE. However, this does not make Him a God people because we also partake of theotes or DIVINE NATURE when we partake of His Word which Jesus says IS SPIRIT (John 6:63)

2Peter 1:3 According as his divine power
.....hath given unto US all things that pertain unto life and godliness,
.....through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:


His Divine Nature is TRANSMITTED by the Knowledge contained in the WORD or LOGOS. All things that pertain to life and Godliness gives us the DIVINE NATURE.

2Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises:
.....that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,
.....having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.


Being filled with the DIVINE NATURE does not make us JEHOVAH but makes us members of His Body: when we speak THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN FOR OUR LEARNING as Paul Preached, we transfer the SPIRIT and the BREATH of God's WORD or Logos. If they do NOT speak that WORD Christ in Isaiah 8 says THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM. They do not understand but they always TURN THEMSELVES into Angels of Light because they are ENEMIES of Christ: "Why do you call me LORD (ruler) and do not do what I say?"

Peter says what Paul said that we are "Saved or kept safe by Grace through faith." Grace hath appeared teaching us and we obey that teaching. But, SAVED FROM WHAT in a daily way? From the corruption that is in the world through the lust of rhetoric, singing, playing, acting, dancing all directed to the senses of PLEASURE or lust. We glady PAY people to prevent us from hearing the Word PREACHED by being READ for Comfort and Doctrine.

Aristot. Nic. Eth. 1175b.1

For instance, persons fond of the flute
.....cannot give their attention<b> to a philosophical discussion </b>

.....[The LOGOS or Regulative Principle]
.....when they overhear someone playing the flute,
.....because they enjoy music more than the activity in which they are engaged;
........therefore the pleasure afforded by the music of the flute
........impairs the activity of study.


So WHY do the Viper race force MUSIC? Because they know that "it makes the lambs dumb before the slaughter" and you will not let out a feeble bleat as you PAY the HERETIC which was the priest who "lifted you up to cut your throught" while the Musical called PARASITE literally disable your thinking ability.

Paul said that if you are gifted with APT elders they are commanded to silence the cunning craftsmen or Craftsmen. These are speakers, singers and instrument players: they are to be silenced because no one was ever too ignorant to know that they LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE. They are OF the World and they hate God and HIS Word.</font>
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April 17th, 2014, 9:29 pm #48

Question? The Restoration Movement intended UNITY among all believers. What is wrong with adding praise teams and instruments so we can have unity with the Christian Church?

First, because instrumental noise makers--never called music--are the marks of people who refuse to obey the command to PREACH the WORD by READING the WORD for Comfort and doctrine.

All of the agents of the Christian Church PRETEND that the only reason for the work of the Campbells was to achieve UNITY among all groups. Because Churches of Christ which had never used instruments REFUSED to be "infiltrated and diverted" into the use of "machines for doing hard work" the FALSEHOOD is that Churches of Christ caused DIVISION by refusing to be invaded and taken over to do something Scripture and historic Christianity repudiates:

The bitterness of this irony has long pained me, for the Churches of Christ are my heritage, the source of my spiritual formation. My entire life has been spent in their service, just as I hope to devote the remainder of my years to their nurture. As a result, I cannot remain unmoved when I see how miserably we have failed in achieving the very unity under whose banner we have marched.

In the Luneyburg Correspondence ignored by the AGENTS of the Christian Church.

http://www.piney.com/AC.Lunenburg.Orig.html

Alexander Campbell wrote: "The word Christian has three distinct acceptations in modern times. It has a national, a sectarian and a scriptural meaning.

Nationally it means one that is not a Jew, a Mohammedan...but a professor of the Christian faith.

In the style of the sects it means something more and better than a Romanist, a churchman, a Presbyterian.... It means one who is supposed to be a follower of Christ in the moral virtues of his religion without regard to his tenets, in comparison with other sectaries.

And scripturally it means one who has first believed in Jesus as Messiah, repented of his sins, and been immersed in water into the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and who follows Christ in all his appointments. Such were they who were first called Christians.

Now in this latter sense it can never be applied to ANY but to those who resemble the disciples described in the Acts of the Apostles; while in the first and second senses of the term there are many Christians among the sects..." (M. H. 1840, p. 164).

"But in this day of increasing light, I confess that in my opinion, the cases of involuntary ignorance are becoming fewer and more few ; and that the hope of remission for many who do not, who will not examine and obey from the heart the Savior's precepts, becomes more and more feeble; and therefore there is no very bright side of the picture for those who are at ease in Zion whose fear of God is taught by the precepts of men rather than by the oracles of Apostles and Prophets" (M. H. 1840, p. 165).

I. With all despatch, then, I hasten to show that I have neither conceded nor surrendered any thing for which I ever contended; but that on the contrary, the opinion now expressed, whether true or false, is one that I have always avowed.

(Footnote in original reads: It is with us as old as baptism for the remission of sins, and this is at least as old as the "Christian Baptist." Read the first two numbers of that work.)

1. Let me ask, in the first place, what could mean all that we have written upon the union of Christians on apostolic grounds,
had we taught that all Christians in the world were already united in our own community?

2. And in the second place, why should we so often have quoted and applied to apostate Christendom what the Spirit saith to saints in Babylon--"Come out of her, my people, that you partake not of her sins , and that you receive not of her plagues"--had we imagined that the Lord had no people beyond the pale of our communion!

3. But let him that yet doubts, read the following passages from the Christian Baptist, April, 1825:--

"I have no idea of seeing, nor wish to see, the sects unite in one grand army.
This would be dangerous to our liberties and laws. For this the Saviour did not pray.
It is only the disciples dispersed among them that reason and benevolence would call out of them , "&c. &c. This looks very like our present opinion of Christians among the sects!!! 2d ed. Bethany, p. 85.


If they will lie about God and to God they have no trouble perverting all recorded history.

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April 20th, 2014, 5:25 pm #49

Unless David Young gives you a free farm or orchard YOU do not have to give the church a widow's mite. First fruits are not a tenth but the first cluster off the vines David gave you: you take the FIRST fruits to David and he eats it in the church house and gets nothing for a whole year.

Tithes also were to feed the tribe of Levi whom God commanded to keep their abandonment to Babylonianism inside the gates and eat food only while on rotating duty so that he never leaves the "church house." Paul said that there is no command to give to anyone.

http://www.piney.com/Honor.God.with.You ... Young.html

David Young as Preaching Minister claims authority.<b>

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Minister.html

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Firs ... Model.html


Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

I have updated this and it is a little bit clearer.

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King Experiencing God

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

I am trying to combine several quick responses.

<b>I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE THIS IS DEFINED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS BLASPHEMY OF THE SPIRIT.


http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

Sorry about the tentative look at this. When I first heard of this which fits with the Spiritual Formation going on at places like LU it sounded like Blackaby like most does not have any knowledgeor respect of the context of what he lifts out of context--a preachers role for money and fame.

I finally looked at the book I was using as a mousepad and lo! There was Blackaby suddenly resting on my desk. Please don't let people get into this cult-like folly like the Purpose Driven Cult.




</b>More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.





More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.

Here is the beginning of my review which I will edit in time:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Preach ... ister.html

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

North Boulevard Church of Christ, Murfreesboro, TN: David Young Paper lurching toward Babylon. Jesus promised that He will be OUTSIDE the massed multitude suffering reproaches. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himslf from the WISE.

X.Mem.1.6.13 Xen. Mem. 1.6.13
To this Socrates replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty and wisdom
that there is an honourable a
nd a shameful way of bestowing them.
For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
but we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom,
but we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-ts , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophists . . parapain khelun (harp-player) A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophist Thrki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln [melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]</b>
John 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him:
and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. [and sheep to fleece]
John 11:49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
John 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us,
that one man should die for the people,
and that the whole nation perish not.

John 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year,
he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
John 11:52 And not for that nation only,
but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

The synagogue began as the Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness: it was/is A School of the Word (only) and outlawed vocal or instrumental rejoicing or any thing beyond PREACHING the word by READING the Word for Comfort and Doctrine. If you think that a Spectacle of musical and rhetorical performance is your ASSIGNMENT then that is what Jesus wants you to do. However, He said that the kingdom does not and will not come to such observations: they are defined as LEGALISM where you have to WORK really hard and FLEECE lots of lambs to make your scooter go.

In Isaiah 49 this TINY remmant would include Gentiles who were under the only spiritual covenant made by God in Christ: Abraham was a GEN.

THOSE WHO NOW GATHER TO MOCK JESUS AS THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION WILL HAVE TO DO IT WITHOUT JESUS.

Your elder brother confessed to the murder you committed: they executed him in the public square with all of the members of the GUN CLUB assigned to shoot him through with holes.

So, in memory of your elder brother, you hold a THEATRICAL PRODUCTION with back up music EACH YEAR so everyone can MOCK him and see him taking your shame. That figures.


The Mass and so-called Believer's Baptism and also celebrating PASSOVER insists that Jesus has to personally be crucified again to be effective and in the Baptist or pagan scheme make the believer INTO JESUS so they can die for their own sins. The Jews SHAMED Jesus and musically mocked him while He suffered: Woe to those who take delight in watching Him suffer and die in a theatrical spectacle. Paul said that Jesus suffered REPROACHES and outlawed self-pleasure or "creating mental excitement" which excludes all of the theatrical or musical WORKS of self-righteousness.

The JESUS command was that we show forth the DEATH of Jesus by sitting down, shutting up and observing the Lord's Supper.

The Lord's Supper was during the Feast of Unleavened bread: not what Jesus calls the JEW'S PASSOVER.

Moses is called a prophet and he skipped the abandoned Israelites and wrote of ANOTHER PROPHET like me who WOULD BE HEARD. Usher was roughly correct using the date 4004 which does not begin the history of the UNIVERSE but a history of God's separating and protecting a small remnant. The city states in Mesopotamia were the first to try to collectivize the minds and property of the masses: Musical performance was then and now the way to COLLECTIVIZE all of the minds of the ticket-holding audience so that the good, bad or ugly can inject his views into the "lambs made dumb before the slaughter."

I believe that Jesus did His important work OUTSIDE OF THE LAND OF THE JEWS. He denounced them over and over because He was the SHILOH Jacob pointed to when he told everyone NOT to attend the assemblies or enter into covenant with Levi.



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April 21st, 2014, 1:47 am #50

We have shown the evidence that "vocal or instrumental rejoicing or self-speaking" was outlawed for the Church of Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness. It is also excluded in the New Testament to make the study of the Word of God possible and effective.

We have also looked as the PRAISE with instruments which included the idea of making yourself look foolish. Psalms 107 notes the difference. Artists were all more Bible literate than any preacher who LUSTS to musically mock Jesus.



<font face="arial" size="4"><font face="arial" size="4">There is a difference between praise a god on a harp and praise Jehovah for His qualities.

Ps 107:30 Then are they glad because they be quiet; so he bringeth them unto their desired haven.
Ps 107:31 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!
Ps 107:32 Let them exalt him also in the congregation [synagogue] of the people,


ex-alto , ?vi, ?tum, 1, v. a. altus (postAug.; mostly eccl. Lat.).
I. To raise, elevate, exalt: deus alia exaltat, alia submittit, Sen. Q. N. 3 prooem.: TERMINOS VETVSTATE COLLAPSOS, Inscr. Fabr. p. 748, no. 555: solium, Vulg. Isa. 14, 13.
B. Trop.: exaltare, Deus, be praised, Vulg. Psa. 56, 5: vocem, id. Isa. 13, 2 et saep.
II. To deepen: fodiunt (sulcos) et exaltant in tres pedes, Col. 3, 13, 4: sulcum, id. 3, 13, 9: orbem ablaqueationis, id. 4, 4, 2


The praise in the assembly of the Elders is different.

and praise him in the assembly [sit down to judge]. of the elders.

That would be something like the sanhedrin where they tried and MOCKED Jesus meaning with musical noise.

H1984 hâlal haw-lal' A primitive root; to be clear (originally of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show; to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively to celebrate; also to stultify:(make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool (-ish, -ly), glory, give [light], be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, [sing, be worthy of] praise, rage, renowned, shine.
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