David Young: John defines trinitarians as Antichrists

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June 30th, 2011, 7:10 am #21

[color=#0000FF" size="3" face="times]Dave,

You quote Jay Guin and Al Maxey -- your favorite change agents.

I quote John Waddey -- he exposes the change agents.

Ken quotes man's recorded history -- supported by Scripture.

CLEAR WINNER: Recorded history matching Scripture.[/color]
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August 1st, 2011, 12:26 am #22

Unless David Young gives you a free farm or orchard YOU do not have to give the church a widow's mite. First fruits are not a tenth but the first cluster off the vines David gave you: you take the FIRST fruits to David and he eats it in the church house and gets nothing for a whole year.

Tithes also were to feed the tribe of Levi whom God commanded to keep their abandonment to Babylonianism inside the gates and eat food only while on rotating duty so that he never leaves the "church house." Paul said that there is no command to give to anyone.

http://www.piney.com/Honor.God.with.You ... Young.html

David Young as Preaching Minister claims authority.<b>

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Minister.html

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Firs ... Model.html


Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

I have updated this and it is a little bit clearer.

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King Experiencing God

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

I am trying to combine several quick responses.

<b>I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE THIS IS DEFINED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS BLASPHEMY OF THE SPIRIT.


http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

Sorry about the tentative look at this. When I first heard of this which fits with the Spiritual Formation going on at places like LU it sounded like Blackaby like most does not have any knowledgeor respect of the context of what he lifts out of context--a preachers role for money and fame.

I finally looked at the book I was using as a mousepad and lo! There was Blackaby suddenly resting on my desk. Please don't let people get into this cult-like folly like the Purpose Driven Cult.




</b>More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.





More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.

Here is the beginning of my review which I will edit in time:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Preach ... ister.html

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

North Boulevard Church of Christ, Murfreesboro, TN: David Young Paper lurching toward Babylon. Jesus promised that He will be OUTSIDE the massed multitude suffering reproaches. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himslf from the WISE.

X.Mem.1.6.13 Xen. Mem. 1.6.13
To this Socrates replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty and wisdom
that there is an honourable a
nd a shameful way of bestowing them.
For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
but we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom,
but we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-ts , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophists . . parapain khelun (harp-player) A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophist Thrki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln [melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]</b>
Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.
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January 31st, 2012, 10:24 pm #23

Unless David Young gives you a free farm or orchard YOU do not have to give the church a widow's mite. First fruits are not a tenth but the first cluster off the vines David gave you: you take the FIRST fruits to David and he eats it in the church house and gets nothing for a whole year.

Tithes also were to feed the tribe of Levi whom God commanded to keep their abandonment to Babylonianism inside the gates and eat food only while on rotating duty so that he never leaves the "church house." Paul said that there is no command to give to anyone.

http://www.piney.com/Honor.God.with.You ... Young.html

David Young as Preaching Minister claims authority.<b>

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Minister.html

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Firs ... Model.html


Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

I have updated this and it is a little bit clearer.

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King Experiencing God

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

I am trying to combine several quick responses.

<b>I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE THIS IS DEFINED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS BLASPHEMY OF THE SPIRIT.


http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

Sorry about the tentative look at this. When I first heard of this which fits with the Spiritual Formation going on at places like LU it sounded like Blackaby like most does not have any knowledgeor respect of the context of what he lifts out of context--a preachers role for money and fame.

I finally looked at the book I was using as a mousepad and lo! There was Blackaby suddenly resting on my desk. Please don't let people get into this cult-like folly like the Purpose Driven Cult.




</b>More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.





More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.

Here is the beginning of my review which I will edit in time:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Preach ... ister.html

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

North Boulevard Church of Christ, Murfreesboro, TN: David Young Paper lurching toward Babylon. Jesus promised that He will be OUTSIDE the massed multitude suffering reproaches. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himslf from the WISE.

X.Mem.1.6.13 Xen. Mem. 1.6.13
To this Socrates replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty and wisdom
that there is an honourable a
nd a shameful way of bestowing them.
For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
but we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom,
but we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-ts , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophists . . parapain khelun (harp-player) A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophist Thrki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln [melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]</b>
The people at Madison will remember Literal Seed promoting Messianic Judaism which is still Judaism.

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joe.Shulam.First.C ... Model.html

I have reviewed some of his claims and even though he is a rabbi (doctor of the law) his proof texting is vintage Church of Christ preachering.

In addition Madison's favorite female rabbi:

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February 3rd, 2012, 2:40 am #24

Joe Shulam teaches that the Way of the Lord includes Jewish Identity or Jewish Roots in order to properly understand the Bible.

Joseph Shulam: Netivyah "The Way of the Lord."

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Neti ... .Lord.html

The Way of the Lord began with the prophecy made to Eve that the seed of the woman would crush Satan.
God in Christ gavethe only Spiritual Covenant and the command was to TEACH everyone.

The Fleshly Israelites were turned over to worship the starry host because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.

Again Christ the Rock quarantined the godly people from the sacrificial system and Star and Serpent worship.

Paul ignores the Old Testament period and makes obedience of the faith at baptism as the way for Gentiles to be grafted into the Abrahamnic Roots as the synagogue or School of Christ

Jewish Identity or Hebraic Roots serves the same purpose as it did when Jesus Came.
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January 12th, 2013, 6:57 pm #25

No Lay By in Store Law.

http://www.piney.com/Lay.by.him.in.store.html

False teachers have only the legalism of the Lay by in store Law to give them power to DIVERT a church into folly.

John Calvin said that those who think that the Spirit OF (preposition) Christ will speak to them beyond the Word of Christ (the Prophets and Apostles) is a fanatic. A fanatic does not trust the Word of God in Christ.

http://www.piney.com/CalvinSpWord.html

Charles Alligood:
When working on the affections of people,
Satan uses three tools-sentimentalism, sensationalism, and enthusiasm.

Sentimentalism confuses fuzzy, subjective feelings with the voice of the Holy Spirit. It deceives a person into following tradition rather than the clear Word of God. Sentimentalism blinds a person to the fact that the old-time religion of today is quite often the heretical modernism of a past century.

Sensationalism confuses outward demonstrations of power with the work of the Holy Spirit. It spellbinds people into believing that all signs and wonders are accurate measures of truth. Again, the Word of God takes second place to experience.

Enthusiasm, like sentimentalism and sensationalism, serves to blind those given up to it. Unstable members of a congregation begin to look for enthusiasm of worship rather than truth. A preacher who can stir emotions is considered filled with the Spirit while a sound expositor of Bible truth is considered dead and dry. Emotional enthusiasm becomes the standard by which all religious experience is measured. The Word of God is inconsequential.


The only tool available to subvert teaching that which has been taught is money. People should be aware that there is no law of tithing and there is no law of laying by in store--that would be rank Legalism. Paul said that it was never a commandment. Recorded Biblical and ethical scholars deny that any institution has the right to pick your pocked claiming that it is for the LORD.
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January 13th, 2013, 3:05 am #26

Unless David Young gives you a free farm or orchard YOU do not have to give the church a widow's mite. First fruits are not a tenth but the first cluster off the vines David gave you: you take the FIRST fruits to David and he eats it in the church house and gets nothing for a whole year.

Tithes also were to feed the tribe of Levi whom God commanded to keep their abandonment to Babylonianism inside the gates and eat food only while on rotating duty so that he never leaves the "church house." Paul said that there is no command to give to anyone.

http://www.piney.com/Honor.God.with.You ... Young.html

David Young as Preaching Minister claims authority.<b>

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Minister.html

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Firs ... Model.html


Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

I have updated this and it is a little bit clearer.

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King Experiencing God

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

I am trying to combine several quick responses.

<b>I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE THIS IS DEFINED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS BLASPHEMY OF THE SPIRIT.


http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

Sorry about the tentative look at this. When I first heard of this which fits with the Spiritual Formation going on at places like LU it sounded like Blackaby like most does not have any knowledgeor respect of the context of what he lifts out of context--a preachers role for money and fame.

I finally looked at the book I was using as a mousepad and lo! There was Blackaby suddenly resting on my desk. Please don't let people get into this cult-like folly like the Purpose Driven Cult.




</b>More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.





More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.

Here is the beginning of my review which I will edit in time:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Preach ... ister.html

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

North Boulevard Church of Christ, Murfreesboro, TN: David Young Paper lurching toward Babylon. Jesus promised that He will be OUTSIDE the massed multitude suffering reproaches. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himslf from the WISE.

X.Mem.1.6.13 Xen. Mem. 1.6.13
To this Socrates replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty and wisdom
that there is an honourable a
nd a shameful way of bestowing them.
For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
but we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom,
but we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-ts , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophists . . parapain khelun (harp-player) A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophist Thrki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln [melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]</b>
Whatever takes place in the POST CHANGE era directly contradicts the Qahal, Ekklesia or Synagogue ordained by Christ (the Rock) in the wilderness, approved by Jesus, commanded by Jesus and defined by Paul EXCLUSIVE of rituals and devoted th reading and discussing the Word of Christ in the Prophets and Apostles. The church is BUILT upon or EDUCATED by Christ in the prophets and apostles. The Spirit OF Christ utterly condemns what happens in "worship services" to which Jesus said the Kingdom does NOT come.

http://www.piney.com/The.Ekklesia.A.Chu ... hrist.html

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January 14th, 2013, 6:28 pm #27

Unless David Young gives you a free farm or orchard YOU do not have to give the church a widow's mite. First fruits are not a tenth but the first cluster off the vines David gave you: you take the FIRST fruits to David and he eats it in the church house and gets nothing for a whole year.

Tithes also were to feed the tribe of Levi whom God commanded to keep their abandonment to Babylonianism inside the gates and eat food only while on rotating duty so that he never leaves the "church house." Paul said that there is no command to give to anyone.

http://www.piney.com/Honor.God.with.You ... Young.html

David Young as Preaching Minister claims authority.<b>

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Minister.html

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Firs ... Model.html


Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

I have updated this and it is a little bit clearer.

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King Experiencing God

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

I am trying to combine several quick responses.

<b>I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE THIS IS DEFINED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS BLASPHEMY OF THE SPIRIT.


http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

Sorry about the tentative look at this. When I first heard of this which fits with the Spiritual Formation going on at places like LU it sounded like Blackaby like most does not have any knowledgeor respect of the context of what he lifts out of context--a preachers role for money and fame.

I finally looked at the book I was using as a mousepad and lo! There was Blackaby suddenly resting on my desk. Please don't let people get into this cult-like folly like the Purpose Driven Cult.




</b>More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.





More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.

Here is the beginning of my review which I will edit in time:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Preach ... ister.html

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

North Boulevard Church of Christ, Murfreesboro, TN: David Young Paper lurching toward Babylon. Jesus promised that He will be OUTSIDE the massed multitude suffering reproaches. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himslf from the WISE.

X.Mem.1.6.13 Xen. Mem. 1.6.13
To this Socrates replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty and wisdom
that there is an honourable a
nd a shameful way of bestowing them.
For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
but we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom,
but we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-ts , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophists . . parapain khelun (harp-player) A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophist Thrki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln [melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]</b>
The VISION program includes Madison Church of Christ. These visions include the path to DAUGHTER churches and INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC: it takes about a decade.

The chart for Madison includes 2 daughter churches and I believe the old numbers included 300 members in JAIL.

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January 25th, 2013, 6:43 pm #28

Jeff Walling may have been the first to INTRUDE into a lecture to say that INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC is not condemned for the church.

http://www.piney.com/Rick.Atchley.Chris ... usion.html

We understood the frog-boiling process which takes one of those VISIONS and about a decade to go INSTRUMENTAL which is radically condemned in the Bible and by all recorded history until the Disciples-Christian churches outed the PSALLO word to justify the deliberate sowing of discord to become INSTRUMENTAL or musical sectarians.

There is no reason that they should rest on the WORD but on their own hallucinations that a spirit person is leading them

Rick Atchley: The era of the progressive Church of Christ is over.

Back in the 80s you could go to any major city, especially in the South, and you could find a progressive Church of Christ and if they would preach grace, and if they would put words on a screen, and if they would let divorced people place membership, they would grow.

The generation of Boomers has enough denominational loyalty that theyre going to find the least legalistic

Well, we discipled the children of those progressive churches
<font color="#FFFFFF">.....
for a whole generation to grow past us Boomers.
.....They never heard the sermons we heard.
.....They never heard the rationale for a cappella music.

We sent them to youth rallies and Church of Christ events
.....with some of the finest Christian bands in the world.
.....We discipled our children to leave our Movement!


And the elders snooze on

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January 25th, 2013, 7:07 pm #29

Jeff Walling also confessing to intending to sacrifice some sacred cows. Unfortunately he simply cannot read the Text reserved for Disciples of Christ only who obey the command to "teach what He commanded to be taught and observed.

http://www.piney.com/Walling1995.html


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Joined: July 29th, 2010, 2:32 pm

January 27th, 2013, 3:36 am #30

Unless David Young gives you a free farm or orchard YOU do not have to give the church a widow's mite. First fruits are not a tenth but the first cluster off the vines David gave you: you take the FIRST fruits to David and he eats it in the church house and gets nothing for a whole year.

Tithes also were to feed the tribe of Levi whom God commanded to keep their abandonment to Babylonianism inside the gates and eat food only while on rotating duty so that he never leaves the "church house." Paul said that there is no command to give to anyone.

http://www.piney.com/Honor.God.with.You ... Young.html

David Young as Preaching Minister claims authority.<b>

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Minister.html

Joe Shulam is supported by churches of Christ but his writings indicated that he is still an unconverted Jew. This modern thrust pretends that Jewish Identity, Jewish Roots or Hebraic Roots or Messianic Jews is Model for the Church of Christ.

http://www.piney.com/Joseph.Shulam.Firs ... Model.html


Much of the "spirit" out of Nashville these days speaks of CALVINISM OR PREDESTIANTIKON and a view of God as a triad of three, real persons each with their own centers of consciousness. Experiencing God is one of the major stalking horses to get people to see their "leaders" (joke, joke) as being supernaturally led JUST LIKE Moses and Jesus were for their time. Your hearing voicies will never be strong enough to trump the voices of the leaders:

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King obviously have never read much Scripture in context. If they got theirs by some source other than the Word this is the MARK of false teachers.

I have updated this and it is a little bit clearer.

Henry T. Blackaby and Claude V. King Experiencing God

http://www.piney.com/Experiencing.God.Blackaby.html

I am trying to combine several quick responses.

<b>I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE THIS IS DEFINED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AS BLASPHEMY OF THE SPIRIT.


http://www.piney.com/HsBlack.html

Sorry about the tentative look at this. When I first heard of this which fits with the Spiritual Formation going on at places like LU it sounded like Blackaby like most does not have any knowledgeor respect of the context of what he lifts out of context--a preachers role for money and fame.

I finally looked at the book I was using as a mousepad and lo! There was Blackaby suddenly resting on my desk. Please don't let people get into this cult-like folly like the Purpose Driven Cult.




</b>More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.





More than a decade ago David Young came lurching in with his "still-bleeding sheep skin" and one of the few sermons I remember he was boasting that he had convinced another preacher never to preach against instrumental music again. No doubt, you can still get degrees without knowing much about the Bible and universal history. Nor, for that matter, WHAT MEANS "a church, ekklesia or synagogue."

I am quite certain--it fits the patternism--that David prepared the "white paper" about needed changes with only slanted hints. The mantra is to denounce whatever we view as based on traditionalism or our heritage. Not using instruments in the school of the Bible, for instance, is a vile virus more terminal than HIV that you caught from what you thought were your godly ancestors for a recorded 2,000 years.

Here is the beginning of my review which I will edit in time:

http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Preach ... ister.html

http://www.piney.com/North.Boulevard.Ch ... hange.html

North Boulevard Church of Christ, Murfreesboro, TN: David Young Paper lurching toward Babylon. Jesus promised that He will be OUTSIDE the massed multitude suffering reproaches. Jesus said that the Father HIDES Himslf from the WISE.

X.Mem.1.6.13 Xen. Mem. 1.6.13
To this Socrates replied: Antiphon, it is common opinion among us
in regard to beauty and wisdom
that there is an honourable a
nd a shameful way of bestowing them.
For to offer one's beauty for money to all comers is called prostitution;
but we think it virtuous to become friendly with
a lover who is known to be a man of honour.

So is it with wisdom. Those who offer it to all comers for money
are known as sophists, prostitutors of wisdom,
but we think that he who makes a friend of one whom he knows to be gifted
by nature, and teaches him all the good he can,
fulfils the duty of a citizen and a gentleman.

Sophis-ts , ou, o(, A. master of one's craft, adept, expert, of diviners, Hdt.2.49; of poets, meletan sophistais prosbalon Pi.I.5(4).28, cf. Cratin.2; of musicians, sophists . . parapain khelun (harp-player) A.Fr.314, cf. Eup.447, Pl.Com. 140; sophist Thrki (sc. Thamyris) E.Rh.924, cf. Ath.14.632c: with modal words added, hoi s. tn hiern meln [melody in the holy place--a death sentence for any Levite]</b>
David Skidmore will be at Winterfest: most of the speakers are connected to a planned effort take the youth to gatherings and EXPOSE them to great bands (worship teams) to TEACH THEM HOW TO LEAVE OUT MOVEMENT.

http://www.piney.com/David.Skidmore.Ephesians.2.html

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