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I downloaded one of his many books and withing a few minutes I got a email telling me how I can become a member. That included a page to keep track of my GIVING. Anyone who pleads for money, in the words of Paul, is guilty of extortion mentioned along with murder.North Boulevard Church in Murfreesboro is following in the Path of Madison and fueled by the Calvinists at Lipscomb and other places. North Boulevard went through the Purpose Driven Church and now David is preaching on PREDESTINATION. After dropping all of that money in Murfreesboro, the elders have decided to BLOCK my access to their web pages. So, I will present some of the general Nashville Wrecking Crew's adoption of Calvinism. Whey they say that GOD predestines they REALLY MEAN that the dominant preacher person predestines. They do not know what the Bible teachers or do not care: they can still use the "christian" logo until they get ready to remove CHRIST from their public confession.
http://www.piney.com/David.Young.Northw ... ation.html
Dennis Costella asks:
"So what are some of the changes that must take place for a local assembly to adopt the growth strategy of the Saddleback model? From our understanding of the plan which was clearly spelled out at the seminar, the following must occur in order to transform a traditionally-styled church of any size into one that can boast dramatic growth,
> A contemporary-styled "Seeker Service" aimed at drawing in the unsaved and the unchurched from the community must replace the traditional Sunday worship service. To do this successfully, the church service must be non-threatening, familiar and comfortable to the "seeker" (the unsaved visitor).
> The dress must be casual. The typical "Saddleback Sam" (a researched composite of the unchurched yuppie commonly found in Saddleback Church's surrounding community) dresses up for work all week, and he wants to "dress down" on the weekends. (As we shall see throughout this article, Saddleback Sam's likes and dislikes are what determine the style of the church service.) Warren: "Get comfortable. This is as dressed up as I get in this church. My idea of winter is I put on socks, and obviously I don't think it's winter yet."
> The music must be contemporary. Not only must the lyrics of the music be more recent, but the style of music should be that which the unsaved hears on a daily basis. The entertainment composite of the Saddleback sound system, band, singers and presentation would rival that of any secular rock concert. Warren stated that one of the first things a church should do is "replace the organ with a band." But he went on to say that if a band was not feasible, then at least a church could purchase a keyboard that will incorporate midi disks in order to give the sound of a band.
Furthermore, the purpose of the church choir should be "backing up the soloist. That's the 90's way to use a choir rather than just having them sing."
> The message must be only positive. We consider this to be the most flagrant flaw. Yes, the saved and unsaved alike can feel better about themselves after a message that often mixes psychology and an uplifting Scripture text. Such topics as dealing with guilt, self-esteem, interpersonal relationships, mood enhancement or motivation for success will encourage the worldly, weary individual. But what is God's command to the faithful undershepherd of the flock? Far, far different.
> Like the 'pyramidal structure' God allowed to be imposed by the kings of Israel and Judah as a curse to take away the resources and liberties of the people, the "ministry system" might have 50 "ministries" devoted to meeting secular needs. There are: "Support groups for depression, eating disorders, infertility, family and friends of homosexuals, post abortion, and separated men and women were abundant... We could not find one single ministry listed in Saddleback Community Church's bulletin that involved the taking the Gospel message out to the lost in the community. In fact, Warren scoffed at the idea of passing out tracts or going door-to-door since "Saddleback Sam" is offended by such old-fashion, out-moded forms of evangelism.
> Doctrinal instruction is not given to the church as a whole on the Lord's Day. All things to all people means that if you want to know anything doctrinal you will have to advance to the next stage by joining a small group. This "doctrine" is likely to be a perversion of the Biblical doctrine and message kept within the "next circle" leading to the CORE of leaders.
> You must be willing to compromise if you are to experience dynamic growth. If you state any Biblical fact even on the internet you can identify these "locusts" by their insistance that you cannot say what Jesus said or Paul said without condemning those who don't believe what you believe. Therefore, Dr. Rubel Shelly, Leroy Garrett and the Vineyard group has developed the "core" gospel. This consists of about seven facts "about" Jesus. Everything else must be compromized or perverted in the interest of "unity in diversity."
The embrace of contemporary culture and style will most assuredly set the desired mood that totally opposes the Biblical mandate to earnestly contend for the faith and separate from error. What works, what is least offensive and what is positive and uplifting is what should define the ministry, according to Warren. The church leaders who are interested in dynamic growth must embrace the attitude that says,
"Don't try to tell me the Bible requires holiness and a style for worship and ministry that is different from that of the world."
This "grace-in-your-face" attitude is so prevalent today because of church elders who are not willing, or not aware of how, to instruct ones to behave in the house of God (1 Tim. 3:15).
I believe that John Mark Hicks brought the fatal virus from Memphis: he and Rubel Shelly have led the charge of hate against churches of Christ who will not agree with them. They validate Paul's warning against men who cannot HEAR the Word when it is preached by being READ, nor can they READ black text on brown paper. Of course, they use "theology" instead of the Bible. That is fine for Doctors of the Law whom Jesus said TAKE AWAY THE KEY TO KNOWLEDGE. However, Spurgeon could not find nor invent a word to define the moral depravity of a preacher who would take pay from and group and then betray it.
Lipscomb Celebration. Those not exuding pheromones and are decidedly ANTI-church of Christ and PRO-INSTRUMENTAL music need not apply. None of the Nashville Wrecking Crew has ever mentioned the "music" issue without lying TO God and ABOUT God. Further, they infiltrate (slither, wind)literate Churches of Christ because Paul warned and NAMED them as LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.
It is not possible for anyone who has ever read the Bible to even hallucinate instruments and Visible-Audible females and "wannabes". Jesus named them Sons of Perdition and ANTI-christs because they make the Spirit OF Christ into a buddy and claim that he whispers apostsy into their ears. Here is the picture wine, women (pseudo) and music.
The band of Soul Snatchers will always include those who betrayed the lambs into the hands of wolves (that gender thingy)
http://www.piney.com/Lipscomb.Universit ... .2013.html
I believe that Scripture posted this chart: I extended it and maybe someone can up date it. This is the curve that "Bull" Dozered.
<font face="arial" size="4">It has been noted that Calvinism is strong among the Bible leadership at LU: several out of the "Reformed Universities."
The New York (Behind the) Times has just picked up on a trend thats been going on since the early 1990s: Evangelicals Find Themselves in the Midst of a Calvinist Revival. Readers of the piece will learn that some of the hottest evangelical preachers are Calvinist, that John Calvin himself did not read scripture literally, and that Calvinists are sneakyat least according to some opposite-leaning evangelicals who resent how their churches have been infiltrated.
If you look at the "keynoters for one hour" at LU for the last few years you will discover those who have infiltrated and diverted their congregation into instrumental music. Rick Atchley who is still the dressed up darling at LU believes that "a" spirit told him that God commanded instrumental praise. North Boulevard in Murfressboro (my erst while) is representing with the claim that tidbits in the book of psalms means that God COMMANDED INSTRUMENTAL noise. They are going the same way with the introduction of a "praise team" at a new daughter church following the path of Max Lucado and others who use non-instrumental money to establish instrumental churches. Always begin with a sit-down, microphone praise team which is that which is "praised".
Glad to hearing baptism is going on somewhere!I give 15% of my gross pay. Also do all baptistery maintenance as needed. Southern Baptist baptize more than anyone. I feel good about it.
Depends, are you talkin step 3 or step 5?Glad to hearing baptism is going on somewhere!
Our ex-community church preacher didn't do many.
I do understand your definition of baptism is different from ours.