Damon Whitsell Campbellites and Instrumental Music

Damon Whitsell Campbellites and Instrumental Music

Joined: July 29th, 2010, 2:32 pm

May 31st, 2012, 6:22 pm #1

I find it interesting that the whiners in the Church of Christ use the old Satanic ploy of never speaking against error. However, that does not stop the Baptists and Lutherans from making a major industry about lying about the Church of Christ.

Damon Whitsell Campbellites and Instrumental Music

http://www.piney.com/Damon.Whitsell.Cam ... Music.html

Damon Whitsell: Campbellite Church of Christ Position: We believe using MIM (mechanical instruments of music) during the worship service is not authorized in the Scriptures and any church that uses musical instruments is engaging in vain worship.

GOD'S PICTURE OF VAIN RELIGION, ENDORSED BY JESUS
Ezek 33:32 And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song
of one that hath a pleasant voice,
and can play well on an instrument:
for they hear thy words,
but they do them not.

orgnum , i, n., = organon, I. an implement, instrument, engine of any kind (mostly post-Aug.), Col. 3, 13, 12.Of military or architectonic engines (whereas machina denotes one of a larger size and more complicated construction), Vitr. 10, 1.Of musical instruments, a pipe, Quint. 11, 3, 20; 9, 4, 10; Juv. 6, 3, 80; Vulg. Gen. 4, 21; id. 2 Par. 34, 12

The organ give by God is: B. Transf.: organum oris, the tongue of a man, Prud. steph. 1

Organon , to, (ergon, erd) A. [select] instrument, implement, tool, for making or doing a thing,
For making war: polemika hopla te kai organa
3. musical instrument, Simon.31, f.l. in A.Fr.57.1 ; ho men di' organn eklei anthrpous, of Marsyas, Pl.Smp.215c ; aneu organn psilois logois ibid., cf. Plt.268b ; o. polukhorda Id.R.399c, al.; met' ds kai tinn organn

Why would a spiritual person think they could worship a Spirit God by using mechanical devices?


Bob Ross has been one of the most aggressive ATTACH AGENT against churches of Christ. Brian Cade who supports Al Maxey sings the same tune.

http://www.piney.com/Campbellism.Its.Hi ... .Ross.html

However, when people spend all of the widow's money seeking and destroying sectarians, heretics, hypocrites, pharisees, legalistic etal., it is perfectly clear that their goal is to try to defend their heresy by pointing the finger at others. That's the old Adam patternism.

In fact, Paul went out of his way to prove that SELF-PLEASURE is the very definition of a heretic. In the sacrificial systems the instrument players "made the lambs dumb before the slaughter" are called PARASITES: since musicians do no useful work they are MARKED as parasites: ticks, chiggers, leeches.

The "hypocrite" was the priest who lifted them up to cut their throats." Of course, they will come equipped with a MOCKY MOUTH: that's their job: that's what they do.
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June 1st, 2012, 5:08 am #2

<em>Ken Sublett (Login Ken.Sublett)
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Posted May 31, 2012 2:22 PM

Bob Ross has been one of the most aggressive ATTACH AGENT against churches of Christ. Brian Cade who supports Al Maxey sings the same tune.

http://www.piney.com/Campbellism.Its.Hi ... .Ross.html

However, when people spend all of the widow's money seeking and destroying sectarians, heretics, hypocrites, pharisees, legalistic etal., it is perfectly clear that their goal is to try to defend their heresy by pointing the finger at others. That's the old Adam patternism.

In fact, Paul went out of his way to prove that SELF-PLEASURE is the very definition of a heretic. In the sacrificial systems the instrument players "made the lambs dumb before the slaughter" are called PARASITES: since musicians do no useful work they are MARKED as parasites: ticks, chiggers, leeches.

The "hypocrite" was the priest who lifted them up to cut their throats." Of course, they will come equipped with a MOCKY MOUTH: that's their job: that's what they do.</em>

What, no references to Judas' bag of woodwind mouthpieces or of musical idolatry at Mt Sinai or of God giving up the Jews to worship the starry host? No long list of irrelevant links? Your losing your ability to rant, Ken.
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Joined: January 28th, 2012, 10:19 pm

June 2nd, 2012, 2:08 am #3

This tactic by the change agents has its similarity to the political and religious leaders discussed in Jeremiah. Various ways of discrediting the words of the Lord were tried. They didn't work and the promises of Jehovah were true.

The same for today - God is true to his word. We cannot be beset by the falsehood that we are "Campbellites" and a manmade sect. The God we worship is not the author of confusion and cannot lie.

The present attack on Campbellism is just another tactic to get us to release our hold on strict adherance to Gods word due to our practices being based on mans opinion rather that the Bible. When we look carefully at the change agents we see them promoting psychology, recycled traditions from denominations and other "religious" groups.

Its a facade of nonsense that is calculated to cause the surrender of that which is the power of God to save souls and give effective power in daily living.

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Joined: July 29th, 2010, 2:32 pm

June 2nd, 2012, 2:29 am #4

Jesus said that the sons of the devil "speak on their own." They think that their speaking is THEIR OWN but it is the thinking of the Devil.

Churches of Christ are disciples and always studying the Word. However, there are several things Edward Fudge calls destructive DISTINCTIVES which he and other out of control hate but they are the legs of a true chuch.

They hate the name: they cannot wait to remove Christ from their public and private confession.

They hate authority: someone said that the change agents still have an unresolved conflict with their mother. They are still in the "terrible twos" and the "traumatic teens." They think they are smart but the kings-queens have no clothes.

They hate those who preach and teach only the Word believing that we need to keep up with the culture.

They hate baptism FOR the remission of sins. Again, this is hatred for authority even from God. Jesus validated His sonship by being baptized when his sonship was acknowledged.

Believeth not or "apistos" means "I will not comply" and indicates treachery, the claim that those who teach obedience are the only ones saved is based on the testimony of the Spirit of Christ in Isaiah, the direct command of Jesus, the teaching of the rest of the Bible and the practice of others.

The wedge-word is Faith-Only but pistis is he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved demands compliance.

They hate the weekly Lord's Supper: Jay Guin lets his imagination run wild thinking of the problems of a habit. However, we "show forth or preach the Lord's Death." Thy don't hesitate to preach sermons from some denominational web page.

I am pretty sure that most of the venom is the result of being fired for preaching out of their own head.

I think that we are to rejoice and be glad because the closer we get the more hostile they will become and it won't be pretty.

The goal should never try to "convert" anyone who has lost the love for the truth in the Word.
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June 3rd, 2012, 5:47 pm #5

Bob Ross etal force Charles Spurgeon and all of history to lie for them: they must have been born with a bar of lye soap in their mouths?

http://www.faithtemple.ca/david/psalms.html

Since Bob Ross is an expert on Spurgeon but does not quote honestly, take a look at his commentary on Psalm 33:

Verse 2. Praise the Lord with harp. Men need all the help they can get to stir them up to praise.

This is the lesson to be gathered from the use of musical instruments under the old dispensation.
Israel was at school, and used childish things to help her to learn;
but in these days, when Jesus gives us spiritual manhood, we can make melody without strings and pipes.

We who do not believe these things to be expedient in worship, lest they should mar its simplicity, do not affirm them to be unlawful, and if any George Herbert or Martin Luther can worship God better by the aid of well tunes instruments, who shall gainsay their right?

We do not need them, they would hinder than help our praise, but if others are otherwise minded, are they not living in gospel liberty? Sing unto him. This is the sweetest and best of music.
No instrument like the human voice.
As a help to singing the instrument is alone to be tolerated,
for keys and strings do not praise the Lord.

With the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings. The Lord must have a full octave, for all notes are his, and all music belongs to him. Where several pieces of music are mentioned, we are taught to praise God with all the powers which we possess.

Verse 2. Praise the Lord with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings. Here we have the first mention of musical instruments in the Psalms.
It is to be observed that the early fathers almost with one accord
protest against their use in churches;
as they are forbidden in the Eastern church to this day, where yet, by the consent of all, the singing is infinitely superior to anything that can be heard in the West. J. M. Neale.

Verse 2. Harp; Psaltery, etc. Our church does not use musical instruments, as harps and psalteries, to praise God withal, that she may not seem to Judaise. Thomas Aquinas. It was only permitted to the Jews, as sacrifice was, for the heaviness and grossness of their souls. God condescended to their weakness, because they were lately drawn off from idols; but now instead of organs, we may use our own bodies to praise him withal. Chrysostom. The use of singing with instrumental music was not received in the Christian churches as it was among the Jews in their infant state, but only the use of plain song. Justin Martyr.
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Charlie
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June 5th, 2012, 7:19 am #6



I see you guys have stumbled into the mind of Ken Sublett. I've had the pleasure of reading his posts on the \"Concerned Members\" website. He seems to be tireless in his ability to pour out nearly incoherent diatribes that many on that website confuse for scholarship. For a while, I was convinced that he was honestly demon-possessed. Now, I just think he's a bit crazy. I've seen homeless men with mental problems who talk about like him. The fact that he has stamped \"Church of Christ\" all over his website doesn't speak well for others who go by that name. If the Churches of Christ were not autonomous, they would do well to have the man arrested for libel and have his internet domain confiscated. As it is, there's not much you can do.

If anyone asked what I as a member of the churches of Christ have to do with piney.com or Ken Sublett, I would instantly and honestly say that I think the man is a lunatic using the church's name.

Say, I wonder if he's one of the thousand faithful men in John Waddey's army
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Bobby Valentine
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June 5th, 2012, 7:36 am #7

Bob Ross etal force Charles Spurgeon and all of history to lie for them: they must have been born with a bar of lye soap in their mouths?

http://www.faithtemple.ca/david/psalms.html

Since Bob Ross is an expert on Spurgeon but does not quote honestly, take a look at his commentary on Psalm 33:

Verse 2. Praise the Lord with harp. Men need all the help they can get to stir them up to praise.

This is the lesson to be gathered from the use of musical instruments under the old dispensation.
Israel was at school, and used childish things to help her to learn;
but in these days, when Jesus gives us spiritual manhood, we can make melody without strings and pipes.

We who do not believe these things to be expedient in worship, lest they should mar its simplicity, do not affirm them to be unlawful, and if any George Herbert or Martin Luther can worship God better by the aid of well tunes instruments, who shall gainsay their right?

We do not need them, they would hinder than help our praise, but if others are otherwise minded, are they not living in gospel liberty? Sing unto him. This is the sweetest and best of music.
No instrument like the human voice.
As a help to singing the instrument is alone to be tolerated,
for keys and strings do not praise the Lord.

With the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings. The Lord must have a full octave, for all notes are his, and all music belongs to him. Where several pieces of music are mentioned, we are taught to praise God with all the powers which we possess.

Verse 2. Praise the Lord with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings. Here we have the first mention of musical instruments in the Psalms.
It is to be observed that the early fathers almost with one accord
protest against their use in churches;
as they are forbidden in the Eastern church to this day, where yet, by the consent of all, the singing is infinitely superior to anything that can be heard in the West. J. M. Neale.

Verse 2. Harp; Psaltery, etc. Our church does not use musical instruments, as harps and psalteries, to praise God withal, that she may not seem to Judaise. Thomas Aquinas. It was only permitted to the Jews, as sacrifice was, for the heaviness and grossness of their souls. God condescended to their weakness, because they were lately drawn off from idols; but now instead of organs, we may use our own bodies to praise him withal. Chrysostom. The use of singing with instrumental music was not received in the Christian churches as it was among the Jews in their infant state, but only the use of plain song. Justin Martyr.
Ken Sublett's website is nothing short of religious pornography.
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June 5th, 2012, 10:30 am #8

[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]Will the real author please come forward? Bobby Valentine? Brian Cade? Charlie? Keith Brenton? Sharing the same computer?

It is "religious pornography" when musical idolatry is portrayed, correct?[/color]
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June 5th, 2012, 10:53 am #9


I see you guys have stumbled into the mind of Ken Sublett. I've had the pleasure of reading his posts on the \"Concerned Members\" website. He seems to be tireless in his ability to pour out nearly incoherent diatribes that many on that website confuse for scholarship. For a while, I was convinced that he was honestly demon-possessed. Now, I just think he's a bit crazy. I've seen homeless men with mental problems who talk about like him. The fact that he has stamped \"Church of Christ\" all over his website doesn't speak well for others who go by that name. If the Churches of Christ were not autonomous, they would do well to have the man arrested for libel and have his internet domain confiscated. As it is, there's not much you can do.

If anyone asked what I as a member of the churches of Christ have to do with piney.com or Ken Sublett, I would instantly and honestly say that I think the man is a lunatic using the church's name.

Say, I wonder if he's one of the thousand faithful men in John Waddey's army
[color=#0000FF" size="4" face="times]"Charlie," your expression "I as a member of the churches of Christ" is very confusing to me.

____ Are you a member of the one body of Christ, His church?
____ Are you a member of a "denomination" called "Church of Christ"?
____ Are you a member of the "Church of Christ," one of the denominations?
____ Do you believe all the denominations comprise the universal body (church) of Christ?

Please clarify what you meant by being "a member of the churches [plural 'bodies'] of Christ."
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June 12th, 2012, 9:10 pm #10

I find it interesting that the whiners in the Church of Christ use the old Satanic ploy of never speaking against error. However, that does not stop the Baptists and Lutherans from making a major industry about lying about the Church of Christ.

Damon Whitsell Campbellites and Instrumental Music

http://www.piney.com/Damon.Whitsell.Cam ... Music.html

Damon Whitsell: Campbellite Church of Christ Position: We believe using MIM (mechanical instruments of music) during the worship service is not authorized in the Scriptures and any church that uses musical instruments is engaging in vain worship.

GOD'S PICTURE OF VAIN RELIGION, ENDORSED BY JESUS
Ezek 33:32 And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song
of one that hath a pleasant voice,
and can play well on an instrument:
for they hear thy words,
but they do them not.

orgnum , i, n., = organon, I. an implement, instrument, engine of any kind (mostly post-Aug.), Col. 3, 13, 12.Of military or architectonic engines (whereas machina denotes one of a larger size and more complicated construction), Vitr. 10, 1.Of musical instruments, a pipe, Quint. 11, 3, 20; 9, 4, 10; Juv. 6, 3, 80; Vulg. Gen. 4, 21; id. 2 Par. 34, 12

The organ give by God is: B. Transf.: organum oris, the tongue of a man, Prud. steph. 1

Organon , to, (ergon, erd) A. [select] instrument, implement, tool, for making or doing a thing,
For making war: polemika hopla te kai organa
3. musical instrument, Simon.31, f.l. in A.Fr.57.1 ; ho men di' organn eklei anthrpous, of Marsyas, Pl.Smp.215c ; aneu organn psilois logois ibid., cf. Plt.268b ; o. polukhorda Id.R.399c, al.; met' ds kai tinn organn

Why would a spiritual person think they could worship a Spirit God by using mechanical devices?


Bob Ross has been one of the most aggressive ATTACH AGENT against churches of Christ. Brian Cade who supports Al Maxey sings the same tune.

http://www.piney.com/Campbellism.Its.Hi ... .Ross.html

However, when people spend all of the widow's money seeking and destroying sectarians, heretics, hypocrites, pharisees, legalistic etal., it is perfectly clear that their goal is to try to defend their heresy by pointing the finger at others. That's the old Adam patternism.

In fact, Paul went out of his way to prove that SELF-PLEASURE is the very definition of a heretic. In the sacrificial systems the instrument players "made the lambs dumb before the slaughter" are called PARASITES: since musicians do no useful work they are MARKED as parasites: ticks, chiggers, leeches.

The "hypocrite" was the priest who lifted them up to cut their throats." Of course, they will come equipped with a MOCKY MOUTH: that's their job: that's what they do.
Ken said..."The goal should never try to "convert" anyone who has lost the love for the truth in the Word."

If ever you told the truth Ken.......it was with that statement.
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